I've been having a lot of fun with this map type lately, and wanted others to try, and tell me what they think. Oh, by the way, this is for peacemongers. Warmongers... go away!

Now, first, select a duel-sized map. Put One City Challenge and Unrestricted Leaders on. All right? Now, make sure that your leader/nation choice is random/random. Then, on your duel-sized map, put on 18 people. Oh, and set the map to balanced. All right? Good. Now, load the game. Oh, before you do, you might as well turn domination and cultural victory off. After all, you can't do 'em. Finally, pledge NEVER to kill someone unless they attack you first! (And no provoking them.) I call it "Luck of the Draw", because you have no choice over your leader or nation. Hope for Willem of Ethiopia, everyone!

Try it, and tell me what you think. ALso, no flaming. I hate it when people flame. If you want to tell me the game is a bad idea, try something new: tell me WHY.

Acceptable: "I personally didn't like this game variant. I thought it was too crowded for me."

Not Acceptable: "OMG THIS GAME SUXXORS!!! YOU ARE AN TOTAL IDIOT AND GEH ROFL!!!!!!!11!one!!"

Get the point? I think so.

OMG THIS GAME SUXXORS!!! YOU ARE AN TOTAL IDIOT AND GEH ROFL!!!!!!!11!one!!

sorry couldn't help it:rolleyes:

:rolleyes: I knew someone would do it, at some point.

All right, now that that's over with, let's begin, shall we?

What game speed and difficulty should we do this on?

At the moment I'm in the middle of a very challenging emperor archipelago map and I've never managed to play two games of civ at once, but I'll give it a go soon. Sounds like it might be fun.

Marathon, and whatever difficulty you're comfortable with. Remember, it's a OCC, but because of the number of land per person, almost everyone has only one city the whole game.

Can you change the era on when the game is set?

Sorry! I can't resist. :):):):)(You can never resist the spoiler!)

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I've been having a lot of fun with this map type lately, and wanted others to try, and tell me what they think. Oh, by the way, this is for peacemongers. Warmongers... go away!

Now, first, select a duel-sized map. Put One City Challenge and Unrestricted Leaders on. All right? Now, make sure that your leader/nation choice is random/random. Then, on your duel-sized map, put on 18 people. Oh, and set the map to balanced. All right? Good. Now, load the game. Oh, before you do, you might as well turn domination and cultural victory off. After all, you can't do 'em. Finally, pledge NEVER to kill someone unless they attack you first! (And no provoking them.) I call it "Luck of the Draw", because you have no choice over your leader or nation. Hope for Willem of Ethiopia, everyone!

Try it, and tell me what you think. ALso, no flaming. I hate it when people flame. If you want to tell me the game is a bad idea, try something new: tell me WHY.

I did this, but with 34 civs. This should be interesting. I pitty the civs who go last. Here's my start:

http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc199/kesshisan/CivIV/FunnyStart.jpg

I laughed.

Update:

http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc199/kesshisan/CivIV/JewishDefensivePacts.jpg

My leader is Financial and Charismatic, while my civilization was the Egyptians. Since production is low and I wasn't able to get stonehenge, I used my UB to spawn an early great prophet (I did get a Great Engineer first, as I had built the Pyramids.) The Egypitans UB is a monument replacement which grants me one happiness and the ability to turn two citiziens into priests. The +1 happiness let me whip it away for only 1 population without much concern. Also the fact that I could throw two priests onto it right away permitted me to immedately work some citizens as priests, to make sure I don't grow back too fast while still being productive citizens to my empire.

I founded Jueda a long time ago, and it quickly spread. Knowing space was going to be tight, I bee-lined for music for the free Great Artist, and it has helped with the encroaching Zulu culture. I may actually take over the two spaces just north of Ulundi. I've kept my Jewish buddies happy. VERY happy. Look at all the defensive pacts between us!

I pitty anyone who feels they need to attack the Jews of this world. I also managed to pump out the AP, so the Jews really control everything. Washington was Jewish too, unfortunately he founded Islam (about 3 turns before I got to it, too!) thus changing his view of me from "pleased" to "annoyed." I was saddened, but it was his loss more than anything.

Being first to optics let me send a caraval out and discover the rest of the world. I found the Germans isolated from everybody and pagan. I quickly sent two Jewish missionaires off to get them to join up with the superior religion this game. Churchill of the Germans was very thankful, and is now a powerful ally.

Being as I have so much money, I started giving all Jewish civilizations free gifts. I had two extra crabs, and a few extra fur to start with. Now I have tons of extra fur, and I've handed that out to everyone who is Jewish. Also, every Jewish civilization has been getting 1 gold per turn from me for thousands of years.

Being as I'm taking odd tech pathes, and I want to keep my allies up to date, I've been throwing them tons of free techs. I stopped this around paper time so I could nab Democracy for free from Liberalism, and it worked! The selfishness sent a few of my buddys from Friendly down to Pleased, but they quickly went back up again with a few giftet techs!

This game is going well, and even though I'm far behind where I usually am at this point, I'm not too worried because it was a low production game after-all. I forsee a possible late space race victory.

I don't think I've seen any map with that much Fur on it. Let alone all in one place.

I don't think I've seen any map with that much Fur on it. Let alone all in one place.

Balderstrom,

That's what balanced resources can do! heh Everybody starts with similar resources nearby. And being duel with so many civs, they tried to place fur near everybody.

I was really impressed with the Jewish Defensive Pacts. I had been pissing off all the Hindi civs, so I felt it almost necessary on my part. I played a few turns this morning before going to work and almost squealed with glee as Cathy decided to break the ice and attack me. The poor woman ended up having every other Jewish civ simultaneously declare war on her. :lol: Oops!

Other Hindi civs joined in, and we had ourselves quite the holy war that was still going on by the time I had to stop playing. Most of the Hindi are in the strip of land that goes east-west, where most of the Jews are immediately north and south of me. On a sad note, Frederick's capital (and only city) revolted to Egypt. His civilizations was destroyed. :( Also, because this is a OCC, I couldn't keep it either.

Even though I could have taken over virtually any civ at any moment, I let them bounce in and out of war with me (taking peace whenever I could) for three reasons:

1) This isn't supposed to be a warmonger game. I'm shelving my desire to destroy people, even if they really do deserve it.
2) Space is so tight with so many civs, that if I keep them all tight, they'll have issues getting powerful.
3) Production is low. I have tons of other things to build other than a navy that would survive the trip across the (albeit small) world. And once I got there, I'd just pillage everything and leave because of reason #2.

I'm easily easily outpacing everybody, even with minimal specialists. Due to Charasmatic + other goodies, I haven't even had 1 unhappyface, (I blame the low amount of food) even though I've done tons of whipping plus with this much culture, I'm getting the "We wish to join our motherland" penalties. That will soon change, however, If you look east and west of Ulundi you'll see some farms. I was able to daisy-chain some farms north of Ulundi, and when my boarder pushed up to Ulundi's city limits, I was able to get a bit more food, too.

However I have yet to build the Globe Theatre! Now that I just researched Biology, (finally) my first farms, and built the National Park, my empire looks like it might actually grow above a size 14 city!

Due to my city placement I won't be able to build the space elevator, and with no copper nearby, and probably no aluminum, I have a feeling I might not be able to launch the spaceship I want to, to win. :/ Hopefully I can bribe some other civ to loan me some while I manufacture the necessary parts. Regardless, due to my massive culture, I do have the largest empire (bigger than some civs with two cities!) so I should be set for a time victory if that's what it really comes down to.

This has been a fairly boring game of Civ, to be honest. Most of the time I've been just hitting enter, enter, enter, waiting for things to build. Marathon without warmongering just doesn't feel right. :(

So who's winning?

Crowqueen,

Winning what?

The war? Nobody. Between the low production and the fact that a navy is required to get anywhere (too many closed boarders between us and our targets.) A navy means less other units. A navy means less military units back home, and with only one city, I want to make damn sure it's defended. Also, I need offensive units to stay home, too, to protect my resources. A city defender does nothing to someone who wants to walk up and pillage my mine on my iron. Nobody has sent more than 3 or 4 units to my territory. And because my boarders are right next to my ally's (Suryavaman's) capital of Ulundi, typically he'll jump in the fray and attack whomever is dumb enough to land troops on my land.

The tech race? Easily me. Every 3 or 4 techs I'll gift 2 or 3 techs to other Jewish civs to intentionally keep them only 100-150 year behind me (compared to most other Hindi, who are nearly a thousand years behind me.) I want them up to date, but not to the point where they'll get great persons before me.

Right now my biggest enemy is my low production. I may not have enough time to research and build every spaceship part necessary to make it into space. Although I think I'm going to build the Moai statues soon (I probably should have done that thousands of years ago :( ) just for a bit of extra production. Though that's only 10 more base hammers total. Due to the low food and production I probably have only 50 to 60% of the great persons as I normally do in most games by this time. Further hampering my production and research. :(

You said something wasn't feeling right so that's what I asked. Looks good but don't have the balls to try it.

Maybe you need to break your own rules and create a bit of lebensraum around you. For example whoever owns Amsterdam is looking pretty vulnerable and he isn't Jewish so you might be able to declare jihad on him (since you are playing with unrestricted leaders, it also follows that in this multiverse Judaism does jihad rather than Islam...).

You said something wasn't feeling right so that's what I asked. Looks good but don't have the balls to try it.

Maybe you need to break your own rules and create a bit of lebensraum around you. For example whoever owns Amsterdam is looking pretty vulnerable and he isn't Jewish so you might be able to declare jihad on him (since you are playing with unrestricted leaders, it also follows that in this multiverse Judaism does jihad rather than Islam...).

Crowqueen,

It wasn't "my" rules, but the rules of the original poster who proposed this idea. It was his/her challenge, and I'm trying to follow it. Though I don't know if it counts because I've been in control of the AP the entire game, and been using that to declare war on all the poor little Hindi and a few Buddhist civs, too. :lol: While I wasn't sending my troops overseas (for the reasons mentioned above) I was letting them think that the wrath of Judea is coming down upon them! Perhaps my allies were harassing the other civs, but I imagined that they wouldn't last long as it's very very hindi over there, and they all watch eachother's back, just like we Jews are doing over here.

Also, compare the risk vs reward factor. Peri owns Amsterdam; look at his score. He is a non-threat right now. While it might not take a whole lot of effort, I will lose some units taking Amsterdam. Ask yourself "for what gain?" I'd gain 1 more oil and 1 more fur resource. Not something that I really really need in this game. I'm content to let that civ live in a harsh, ugly, cold tundra as my culture slowly envelops the remaining workable tiles in his BFC, ultimately dwindling him down to a size 2 or 3 city. But that's what you get for being a heathen. ;)

Oh, on this: You said something wasn't feeling right so that's what I asked. Looks good but don't have the balls to try it.

Last time I did a OCC on noble I ended up with Infantry in the 1300s. When I played this morning I got up to about the 1700s and only recently acquired the knowledge of Assembly Line. I just don't feel comfortable with such few hammers at my disposal. Especially with my leader's traits. Financial + Charasmatic. I think I got the worst combination of traits for a OCC + peacemonger. :/

I just tried this out. I've only got Vanilla though, so no unrestricted leaders option. I got Roosevelt of America (IND/ORG) with an awesome seafood start (3 crabs, clam, +fish and whale outside the BFC). After fending off some decent attacks from Monty and Cathy (I probably would lost without Oracle slinged Feudalism for longbows) I found that nothing much happened for ages after this and the game got boring. This was on Normal speed btw. There's no way I'd try it on Marathon. Without the incentive or the power to take down the AI civs, the game draws to a total stalemate.

Oh, by the way, this is for peacemongers. Warmongers... go away!

I probably should have listened to this.

Kesshi, you are absolutely wrong. The worst combination of traits for an OCC peacemonger is not at all Financial and Charismatic.

It's Aggressive and Charismatic.

Wouldn't Imperialistic be even worse than Charismatic in this situation? The settler production bonus is totally useless and the other bonus is purely military. At least with Charismatic you can grow your city a little more before you hit the happy cap.

TRY CROSSING THE SAHARA DESERT ON A PUNCTURED UNICYCLE. TRY ENERGY. TRY IT.

AI's would fare very poorly on all but the hardest settings with all the crowding. Your national wonders would pwn them, they'd make too many workers/settlers. They'd fight and accomplish very little, and tech like a joke.

It could get hard on higher difficulties I guess, everything does. If I get bored I may give it a whirl.

Wouldn't Imperialistic be even worse than Charismatic in this situation? The settler production bonus is totally useless and the other bonus is purely military. At least with Charismatic you can grow your city a little more before you hit the happy cap.

IMP is useful, since you can settle GG's from defensive wars en masse'. That's not great, but it's better than aggressive. Charismatic is worth :) at least, so it's also better than aggressive.

All the warmonger traits suck when you can't declare or keep cities though.

Edit: Fun variant:

Don't use OCC. 18 or 34 civs, duel map. Try to culture flip everyone, WITHOUT BUILDING A CITY OTHER THAN THE CAPITOL.

Might not be possible...might need to at least make cities after getting enough culture pressure.

Edit: Fun variant:

Don't use OCC. 18 or 34 civs, duel map. Try to culture flip everyone, WITHOUT BUILDING A CITY OTHER THAN THE CAPITOL.

Might not be possible...might need to at least make cities after getting enough culture pressure.

TheMeInTeam,

Provided you turn off Cultural victory, I believe this would be possible with the right starting location of a Pangea map. (E.G. Anywhere but a corner.)

Hate to resurrect a very old thread...

but this is a worthy thread that should be resurrected!

1. I suppose it does get sort of boring without declaring war ever. Perhaps you can't declare war until... 1250 AD?
2. I like your idea, TheMeInTeam. I might try it myself. Anything to keep the boredom from playing this a hundred times away.
3. Nice game, Kesshi. Tell me, what do the people in your land do with all the fur? Make fur houses?