Let's see if we can make a list of the Great People that are born in Civ IV and figure out what 'civ function' they had in real life.

Here are a few. Please add more:

Plato (Great Scientist) founded the Academy in Athens.

Moses (Great Prophet) is said to have brought the 10 Commandments, so that could mean he invented Code of Laws, but having him found monotheism (and thus Judaism) would probably also make sense.

Marco Polo (Great Merchant) make a caravan trip to China (and Mongolia) and made a lot of money for 'Rome' :rolleyes:

Rembrandt van Rijn (Great Artist) was part of the Dutch Golden Age (the other Great Person is probably a Great Merchant, as most money came from the spice trade in the East Indies)

Hypatia (Great Scientist) was born in (Greek) Alexandria because the Great Library was there. :lol: She didn't like mysticism and studied astronomy and mathematics. Eventually her speeches angered a mob of Christians and she was killed in the streets. However, I'd say she didn't discover astronomy, but Calender and obsoleted obelisks (which come with mysticism), thus angering early-Christian warrior monks who could no longer build obelisks. (It's a bit of a stretch, but it makes some sense).

Homer (Great Artist) produced a great work (Iliad and Odyssey) and culture bombed ancient Greece into the history books.

Thespis (Great Artist) claimed to be the first actor, so he probably invented Drama (again, for Greece. That Parthenon + philosophical trait really worked for them! :lol:)

Newton probably researched part of physics or maybe astronomy.

Kepler, Galileo, and Copernicus researched astronomy.

Lois Pastuer researched refrigeration.

Einstien probably became a specialist because he did research in fission, physics, economics, and fusion.

Colombus went to America and got a bunch of gold from the Aztecs.

Great idea for a thread by the way :)

Heron of Alexandria: lightbulbed Steam Engine.

Henry Ford, I guess he engineered the gas engine? I think I heard somewhere that he actually "perfected" someone else's idea, so I'm not sure.

Moses didn't invent Judaism. Abraham did. plus there are many monotheists before Moses. Like for example, Akhenaten who once emposed what we now called a monotheist religion & Zoroaster, who founded Zoroastrianism, which is also a monotheist religion.

Henry Ford, I guess he engineered the gas engine? I think I heard somewhere that he actually "perfected" someone else's idea, so I'm not sure.

I would say he joined Detroit as a specialist :P

Moses didn't invent Judaism. Abraham did. [...]

Yeah, you're absolutely right, Moses wasn't the first monotheist, but I've read that people attribute the first book (or books?) of the Bible/Torah/Koran to him (including the chapter that describes his own death and burial :crazyeye: ), so in that sense he did lay the foundations of the (surviving) monotheistic religions as all monotheistic religions start their holy book with Genesis. Abraham for Judaism and Zoroaster for monotheism would make more sense (although Abraham is not in the game, IIRC).

On with the list:

Marie Curie (/Madam Curie) - (Great Scientist) did research for Fission for France (Physics [now corrected] reveals uranium, but Fission lets you use it)

Michael Faraday - (Great Scientist) He joined London as a specialist, based on this wiki quote: "Faraday was the first and foremost Fullerian Professor of Chemistry at the Royal Institution of Great Britain, a position to which he was appointed for life." He did research for Chemistry, Steel, Scientific Method and (perhaps best known for) Electricity and the electric motor. Maybe he light bulbed Electricity for England (although I wouldn't say he light bulbed Chemistry, because he refused to work on chemical weapons during the Crimean war).

Archimedes - (Great Engineer) He either light bulbed Mathematics or Machinery for the Greeks. No doubt while shouting 'Eureka!'

Mahavira (Great Prophet) - He invented Jainism, but that religion isn't in Civ. So, perhaps he joined an Indian city and became a settled Great Prophet OR he did research for Philosophy without founding Taoism (apparently Jainism is pretty philosophical).

Valmiki (Great Artist) - Considered to be the first poet in Hinduism, he probably culture bombed India by writing the Great Work Ramayana OR he discovered Literature for India. Take your pick.

I'm playing Civ Vanilla, but if anyone knows those the names of those Great Generals and Spies I keep reading about, don't hesitate to add them to the list.

Marie Curie (/Madam Curie) - (Great Scientist) did research for Fission for France (Scientific Method reveals uranium, but Fission lets you use it)

I'm playing Civ Vanilla, but if anyone knows those the names of those Great Generals and Spies I keep reading about, don't hesitate to add them to the list.

Physics allows you to see uranium. Scientific Method allows you to see oil.

I found the list

Great Generals

Sargon
Nebuchadrezzar
Sun Tzu
Leonidas
Lysander
Chandragupta Maurya
Hamilcar Barca
Gaius Marius
Scipio Africanus
Vercingetorix
Arminius
Cao Cao
Zhuge Liang
Belisarius
Khaled ibn al-Walid
Charles Martel
El Cid
William the Conqueror
Subutai
Timur
Jeanne d'Arc
Pachacuti
Auitzotl
Cortez
Pizarro
Ivan the Terrible
Akbar
Gustavus Adolphus
Michiel de Ruyter
Oliver Cromwell
Eugene of Savoy
Lord Nelson
Geronimo
Robert Lee
Yamamoto
Patton
Montgomery
Guderian
Rommel
Zhukov



Great Spies

Pebekkamen
Ephialtes of Trachis
Jing Ke
Qin Wuyang
Calippus
Leone Alberti
John Barlow
Francis Walsingham
Hattori Hanzo
Balthasar Gerard
Anthony Babington
Ishikawa Goemon
Gaspar Graziani
Guy Fawkes
John Honeyman
Nathan Hale
Charlotte Corday (f)
Giacomo Casanova
Allan Pinkerton
William Melville
Belle Boyd
Sidney Reilly
An Jung-Geun
Claude Dansey
Mata Hari (f)
J. Edgar Hoover
Moe Berg
Ethel Rosenberg (f)
Julius Rosenberg
Claus von Stauffenberg
Suzanne Spaak
William Donovan
Speaker the Lionhearted
Viktor Griph
Nolan Buonarroti (f)
Atlas Titanus
Foshaug the Deceiver
Joe Matise
Eystein the Wise
Daniel Cole
Max Gogf
Mark Swiss



Also something even better

Great Prophets

Moses - (Egypt, ?) legendary saviour of the Jewish people
Mahavira - (India, 6th c. BC) founder of Jainism
Zoroaster (Zarathustra) - (Persia, 628?-551? BC) founder of Zoroastrianism
Ananda - (India, 5th c. BC) chief discliple of Buddha
Chuang-Tzu - (China, 4th c. BC) pre-eminent Taoist scholar
Mencius - (China, 4th c. BC) pre-eminent Confucianist scholar
Mo Tzu - (China, 470? BC-391? BC) founder of Mohism
St. John - (Roman Israel, 1st c.) prophet of Christianity, Islam and Mandaeanism
St. Peter - (Roman Israel, 1st c.) Apostle of Jesus
St. Paul - (Roman Turkey, 1st c.) Most important disciple of Jesus
Rabbi Akiva - (Roman Israel, 2nd c.) leader of the Bar Kochba revolt against Rome
Mani (Manes) - (Persia, 216?-276?) founder of Manichaeism
St. Augustine - (Roman Tunisia, 4th c.) pre-eminent Doctor of the Church
St. Patrick - (Britain, 5th c.) patron saint of Ireland
Abu Bakr - (Arabia, 6th c.) first caliph of Islam
Shankara - (India, 788-820) founder of the Vedanta school of Hinduism
Kobo-Daishi - (Japan, 9th c.) founder of Japanese school of Buddhism
Atisha - (India, 11th c.) Buddhist evangelist who spread Buddhism to Java and Tibet
St. Thomas Aquinas - (Italy, 13th c.) considered greatest theologian of Roman Catholicism
Mohammed Shah - (Brunei, 14th c.) converted Brunei to Islam
Tsongkhapa - (Tibet, 14th c.) pre-eminent Tibetan Buddhist scholar
Jean d'Arc - (France, 15th c.) heroine of France who talked to God
Narak - (India, 1469-1539) founder of Sikhism
Tipu Sultan - (India, 18th c.) benevolent Muslim leader of a southern Indian state who fought against the British
Ramakrishna - (India, 1836-1886) one of the most prominent Hindu saints
Narayana Guru - (India, 19th c.) great sage and social reformer
Sojourner Truth (f) - (America, 19th c.) African-American abolitionist



Great Artists

Homer - (Greece, ?) wrote the epic 'Ilias' and 'Odessey'
Thespis - (Greece, 6th c. BC) considered to be the world's first actor
Ling Lun - (China, ?) legendary founder of Chinese music
Wang Xizhi - (China, 303-361) considered the greatest calligrapher in Chinese history
Valmiki - (India, 3rd c. BC) wrote the epic 'Ramayana', one of the two most important and influential Hindu books
Virgil - (Roman Italy, 1st c. BC) wrote 'Eclogues', 'Georgica' and the national epic 'Aeneid'
Kalidas - (India, 4th? c.) considered one of India's greatest Sanskrit poets and playwriters
Li Po (Li Bai) - (China, 701-762) 'Poet Immortal', considered the greatest of the Chinese poets, along with Du Fu
Du Fu - (China, 712-770) considered the greatest of the Chinese poets, along with Li Po
Jalal al-Din Rumi (Moulana) - (Persia, 1207-1273) wrote 'Spiritual Couplets', considered second in importance only to the Koran
Dante (Alighieri) - (Italy, 13th c.) wrote 'La Divina Commedia', the basis of the modern Italian language
Yunus Emre - (Turkey, 1238?-1320?) considered one of the most distinguished Muslim poets; had an immense influence on Turkish literature
Amir Khusro - (India, 1253-1325) founder of both Hindustani classical and Qawaali music
Ibn Muqlah - (Arabia, ?-940) the most accomplished Islamic calligrapher
Michaelangelo - (Italy, 15th c.) painter, scultor, poet, architect, made the Sistine Chapel ceiling fresco and 'David'
Raphael - (Italy, 1483-1520) Renaissance painter and architect, best known for Madonnas and Vatican frescoes
William Shakespeare - (England, 16th c.) considered the greatest writer in the English language, wrote countless plays, sonnets and poems
Miguel de Cervantes - (Spain, 1547-1616) wrote 'Don Quixote', one of the earliest European novels, considered finest book in the Spanish language
Rembrandt van Rijn - (Netherlands, 1606-1669) generally considered one of the greatest painters in European art, made 'The Night Watch', 'The Jewish Bride'
Johannes Vermeer - (Netherlands, 1632-1675) famous and genius Dutch Golden Age painter, made 'The Milkmaid', 'View Of Delft', 'Girl With A Pearl Earring', etc
J. S. Bach - (Germany, 18th c.) widely considered one of the greatest composers of all time
Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart - (Austria, 18th c.) concidered one of the greatest composers of European classical music
Johann Wolfgang von Goethe - (Germany, 1749-1832) considered one of the paramount figures of German literature and European Romanticism
Ludwig von Beethoven - (Germany, 19th c.) considered one of the greatest composers of European classical music
Victor Hugo - (France, 1802-1885) pre-eminent French author, wrote 'The Hunchback of Notre Dame' & 'Les Misérables'
Vincent van Gogh - (Netherlands, 19th c.) considered one of the greatest painters in European art, made 'The Potato Eaters', 'Sunflowers', etc
Johannes Brahms - (Germany, 19th c.) by many considered the 'successor' to Beethoven
Antonin Dvorak - (Czech Republic, 19th c.) great composer who used a wide variety of forms
Mark Twain - (America, 1835-1910) "All modern American literature comes from one book by Mark Twain called Huckleberry Finn" (Hemingway)
Claude Monet - (France, 19th c.) pre-eminent impressionist painter, made 'Impression: Sunrise' (after which impressionism was named)
Joseph Conrad - (Poland, 1857-1924) regarded as one of the greatest English novelists
Franz Kafka - (Czech Republic, 1883-1924) one of the major German language writers of the 20th century
Louis Armstrong - (America, 1901-1971) most famous and influential jazz musician
Duke Ellington - (America, 1899–1974) one of the most influential figures in jazz
Pablo Picasso - (Spain, 20th c.) 20th century master painter, founder of cubism, made 'Boy With A Pipe', 'Guernica', etc
Miles Davis - (America, 1926–1991) considered one of the most influential jazz musicians of the 20th century



Great Scientists

Merit Ptah (f) - (Egypt, 27th c. BC) oldest known physician
Xi Ling Shi (f) - (China, 27th c. BC) discovered silk harvesting
Nabu-rimanni (Naburianos) - (Babylon, 560?-480? BC) calculated position of moon, sun, and planets at any given moment
Socrates - (Greece, 5th c. BC) one of the most important Greek philosophers
Plato - (Greece, 4th c. BC) pre-eminent Greek philosopher, student of Socrates
Aristotle - (Greece, 4th c. BC) pre-eminent Greek philosopher, student of Plato, teacher of Alexander the Great
Euclid - (Ptolemeic Egypt, 4th c. BC) "father of geometry"
Ptolemy - (Roman Egypt, 2nd c.) pre-eminent astronomer and geographer from Alexandria
Hypatia (f) - (Roman Egypt, 4th c.) Alexandrian philosopher, mathematician, teacher
Zu Chongzhi - (China, 429-500) invented Daming calendar and approximated pi
Aryabhata - (India 476?-550) founding father of algebra
Al-Kindi - (Arab Iraq, 801?–873) "the philosopher of the Arabs", published on everything from medicine to mathematics to geography
Al-Khwarizmi - (Persia, 9th c.) inventor of the algorithm, "grandfather of computer science"
Al-Razi - (Persia, 865-925) made key contributions to medicine, chemistry and philosophy
Alhazen - (Arab Iraq, 10th c.) discovered optics, founding father of the scientific method
Nicolaus Copernicus - (Poland, 16th c.) developed detailed heliocentric theory, a founding father of modern science
Francis Bacon - (England, 16th c.) philosopher who expanded upon Alhazen's scientific method
Tycho Brahe - (Denmark, 16th c.) made important improvements to astronomic instruments
Johannes Kepler - (Germany, 16th c.) developed laws of planetary motion, key figure in scientific revolution
Isaac Newton - (England, 17th c.) key figure in modern physics, developed classical mechanics and differential calculus
Galileo Galilei - (Italy, 16th c.) "father of modern astronomy and physics", developed experimental science
Rene Descartes - (France, 17th c.) founder of both modern (analytic) geometry and modern philosophy
Antony van Leeuwenhoek - (Netherlands, 17th c.) improved microscope, discovered bacteria, founder of microbiology
Gottfried Leibniz - (Germany, 17th c.) invented the function, developed modern (differential) calculus
Mikhail Lomonosov - (Russia, 18th c.) distinguished chemist, physicist, linguist, historian, writer and scholar
Antoine Laurent Lavoisier - (France, 18th c.) a founder of modern chemistry, introduced quantitative methods to chemical reactions, described oxygen
Carl Friedrich Gauss - (Germany, 19th c.) widely considered one of the greatest mathematicians of all time
John Dalton - (England, 19th c.) formulated modern atomic theory
Michael Faraday - (England, 19th c.) one of the greatest experimentalist scientists; made electricity a viable technology
James Clerk Maxwell - (Scotland, 19th c.) pre-eminent modern physicist, laid the basis for 20th century physics
Louis Pasteur - (France, 19th c.) pre-eminent microbiologist, developed germ theory and inoculation
Charles Darwin - (England, 19th c.) founder of evolution theory
Ernest Rutherford - (New Zealand, 20th c.) discovered atomic nucleus
Marie Curie (f) - (Poland, 20th c.) pioneer in radioactivity
Albert Einstein - (Germany, 20th c.) proposed theory of relativity, key figure in quantum mechanics; greatest scientist of the 20th century
Niels Bohr - (Denmark, 20th c.) leading figure in quantum theory development
Werner Heisenberg - (Germany, 20th c.) one of the founders of quantum mechanics, discovered uncertainty principle
Enrico Fermi - (Italy, 20th c.) developed the first nuclear reactor, key figure in quantum theory development
Rosalind Franklin (f) - (England, 20th c.) biophysicist and crystallographer who made important contributions to the understanding of DNA, viruses, coal and graphite
Andrei Sakharov - (Russia, 20th c.) nuclear physicist and human rights activist, developed atomic and hydrogen bomb, proposed fusion reactor



Great Merchants

Harkuf - (Egypt, 24th c. BC) merchant, nobleman and first known explorer; set up trade routes between Egypt and NUbia
Hanno (the Navigator) - (Carthage, 6th c. BC) trader/explorer who founded trade posts in Morocco and explored the coast at least as far as Sierra Leone (may even have circumnavigated Africa)
Pytheas - (Greece, 380-310 BC) merchant, geographer, explorer who explored and circumnavigated Britain, possibly also Iceland and the Baltic Sea
Zhang Qian - (China, ?-113 BC) Chinese Marco Polo, traveled west as far as Persia, effectively opened the Silk Road
Aretas III - (Nabataean Jordan, 1st c. BC) by conquest monopolised the trade between the West and East
Leif Erickson - (Iceland, 970-?) Norse explorer thought to be the first European to have landed in North America
Wang Anshi - (China, 1021-1086) Sung statesman, attempted major and very modern economic reforms
Enrico Dandolo - (Italy, 12th c.) blind Doge of Venice who forced crusaders to sack Constantinople and conquer its colonies for him
Marco Polo - (Italy, 13th c.) trader and explorer, traveled to China and worked for Kublai Khan throughout East Asia
Ibn Battuta - (Arab Morocco, 14th c.), Arab traveller and explorer who traveled the known Arab world and beyond (up to China)
Richard Whittington - (England, 14th c.) very successful merchant and major of London
Giovanni de Medici - (Italy, 14th c.) founded the Medici bank and dynasty
Zheng He - (China, 15th c.) mariner and explorer, traveled as far as Arabia and Southern Africa and possibly America
Vasco da Gama - (Portugal, 16th c.) first to reach India over sea, opened spice trade between Portugal and India
Christopher Columbus - (Italy, 15th c.) discovered America
Ferdinand Magellan - (Portugal, 16th c.) first to circumnavigate the globe
Jacques Cartier - (France, 16th c.) explorer and trader, explored Canada, discovered St. Lawrence river and founded Montreal
Raja Todar Mal - (India, ?-1589) financial advisor to Akbar the Great, overhauled the revenue system in Mughal India (copied by the British)
Anthony van Diemen (Antonius) - (Netherlands, 1593-1645) key figure of Dutch East India company, established Dutch colony on Ceylon, expanded power throughout Asia, financed Tasman
Sir Thomas Roe - (England, 17th c.) diplomat who secured support from Mughal emperor for first English trade station in India
Shah Jahan - (India, 17th c.) founded Delhi and built the Taj Mahal and Pearl Mosque, started golden age of Mughal art and architecture
Adam Smith - (Scotland, 18th c.) economist, father of modern econmics, free trade and capitalism
James Cook - (England, 1728–1779) first to map Newfoundland, explored Pacific
Cornelius Vanderbilt - (America, 19th c.) railroad and shipping tycoon
Sir Alexander Mackenzie - (Scotland, 18th c.) fur-trader and explorer, first European to cross North America overland
John Stuart Mill - (England, 1806-1873) philosopher and economist, influential liberal thinker
Andrew Carnegie - (Scotland, 19th c.) pre-eminent American steel magnate, philantropist
John D. Rockefeller - (America, 19th c.) pre-eminent American oil, railroad and banking magnate, philantropist
John Maynard Keynes - (England, 1883-1946) economist and monetary expert, founder of macroeconomics
Coco Chanel (f) - (France, 20th c.) enourmously influential fashion designer, built a fashion empire



Great Engineers

Imhotep - (Egypt, 27th c. BC) vizier of Djoser, architect of Djoser Pyramid, founder of Egyptian medicine and pyramid building
Archimedes - (Greek Italy, 3rd c. BC) widely considered one of the greatest mathematicians of all time, invented siege engines, claw, sun mirrors
Heron (of Alexandria) - (Ptolemeic Egypt, ?) invented steam engine, fountain, fire engine, siphons
Cai Lun - (China, 1st c.) invented paper
Zhang Heng - (China, 2nd c.) astronomer, mathematician, inventor, scholor who invented the seismograph, celestial globa and odometer
Bi Sheng - (China, 11th c.) invented clay movable type printing
Leonardo da Vinci - (Italy, 15th c.) universal genius, invented airplane, tank, submarine, machine gun, etc
Sinan - (Turkey, 1498?-1578?) greatest Islamic archtitect, built over 300 structures, most notably the Selimiye and the Suleiman Mosques
Wilhelm Schickard - (Germany, 16th c.) built the first automatic calculator
Blaise Pascal - (France, 17th c.) constructed mechanical calculators, studied fluids, probability theory, vacuum
Benjamin Franklin - (America, 18th c.) experimented with electricity, invented Franklin stove, bifocals, catheter, lighting rod, swimfins, odometer
Charles Augustin de Coulomb - (France, 18th c.) did key research in mechanics, electricity and magnetism
James Watt - (Scotland, 18th c.) improved the steam engine
Joseph Marie Jacquard - (France, 18th c.) invented Jacquard loom
Isambard Kingdom Brunel - (England, 1806-1859) built the Thames tunnel, Great Western Railway, numerous famous steamships and bridges (recently voted 2nd
William T. G. Morton - (America, 19th c.) 'invented' anesthesia
Louis Daguerre - (France, 19th c.) invented photography
Ferdinand de Lesseps - (France, 19th c.) built the Suez Canal
John Roebling - (Germany, 19th c.) built brigdes in the US, such as Brooklyn Bridge, Niagara Railway Suspension Brigde, Roebling Suspension Bridge
Norbert Rillieux - (America, 19th c.) African-American inventor based in France, invented multiple-effect evaporator, improved steam engine
Henry Bessemer - (England, 19th c.) prolific inventor, radically improved steel manufacturing
Nain Singh - (India, 19th c.) explored Himalaya's for the British
Alexander Graham Bell - (Scotland, 19th c.) invented the telephone, photophone, metal detector, advanced aviation, hydrofiol technology
Nikolaus August Otto - (Germany, 19th c.) invented the combustion engine and four-stroke Otto cycle
Nichola Tesla - (Austrian Serbia, 19th c.) invented induction motor, alternating current electrical power systems, Tesla coil, bladeless turbine, etc
Thomas Edison - (America, 19th c.) prolific inventor, invented phonograph, kinetoscope, dictaphone, electric bulb, tattoo gun
Guglielmo Marconi - (Italy, 20th c.) contributed to invention of wireless communication technology, invented radio
Alexandre Gustave Eiffel - (France, 1832-1923) build bridges and viaducts, Eiffel Tower, Eiffel Bridge, Statue of Liberty
George Washington Goethals - (America, 20th c.) US Army civil engineer, supervised construction of the Panama Canal
Henry Ford - (America, 20th c.) invented mass production
Wilbur Wright - (America, 20th c.) with his brother Orville, invented powered flight
Orville Wright - (America, 20th c.) with his brother Wilbur, invented powered flight; world's first pilot

There is also a entry in wikia that has all of the names and a link to their individual articles. Should help with finding real-life uses. Here is a link.

http://civilization.wikia.com/wiki/List_of_historical_figures_in_Civilization_IV

Cai Lun - Lightbulbed Paper for China.
Sinan - Joined as specialist in Arabia.
Charles Augustin de Coulomb - Lightbulbed Electricity.
Zhang Qian - Trade Mission with Persia.
Xi Ling Shi - Lightbulbed Calander
Nabu-rimanni - Lightbulbed Calander
Euclid - lightbulbed math for egypt
Michaelangelo - Great Work
Ling Lun - Lightbulbed Music for China

Wow, that's exactly the kind of list we need, Tibur753!

Ooh, I see a Frisian on the Great Spy list: Mata Hari. (Frisia or Friesland is a province of the Netherlands). I guess her civ function was to fail at espionage, as she was shot by firing squad.

I now see who caused the Dutch Golden Age too: Must have been Great Merchant Anthony van Diemen and a Golden Age painter (either Rembrandt or Vermeer).

Charles Darwin (Great Scientist) discovered Biology for England.

Victor Hugo (Great Artist) performed Great Work in Paris OR what I prefer: he settled there, causing money and culture for Paris. He wrote 'The Hunchback of the Notre Dame' in an attempt to raise public awareness of the building and the cathedral was restored after his book was published, causing extra money (from tourism) and culture for Paris. (wiki quote to back it up: "One of the effects of the novel was to shame the City of Paris to undertake a restoration of the much-neglected Cathedral of Notre Dame, which was attracting thousands of tourists who had read the popular novel.")

Wow, that's exactly the kind of list we need, Tibur753!

Ooh, I see a Frisian on the Great Spy list: Mata Hari. (Frisia or Friesland is a province of the Netherlands). I guess her civ function was to fail at espionage, as she was shot by firing squad.

I now see who caused the Dutch Golden Age too: Must have been Great Merchant Anthony van Diemen and a Golden Age painter (either Rembrandt or Vermeer).I tought it was Scientist van leeuwenhoek

Archimedes - (Great Engineer) He either light bulbed Mathematics or Machinery for the Greeks. No doubt while shouting 'Eureka!'

He intorduced a copy of an Egyptian pump and called it the Archimedes Screw.
He invented a giganting war defence machine called the Claw and a system of pulleys to single-handedly launch a ship.
He also was a mathematician who discovered the link between a cylinder and a sphere

True as that might be Harrypotter52, the point of this thread was to figure out what 'civ function' the Great Person had in real life. I mentioned Mathematics and Machinery because those are civ techs that a great Engineer can 'lightbulb' (i.e. can perform as civ function, like rushing a wonder or making a Great Work or building an Academy, depending on the type of Great Person).

Those machines you mention also sound like something you might get with Construction, so perhaps he lightbulbed that one (whilst shouting Eureka :lol:).


@ Onagan: I considered Van Leeuwenhoek, but I think the influence of the East India Company is the main factor here. The 'common man' could invest money in the trading ships and share in the profits 'when their ship came in' with spices. Art was considered a good investment for the money and numerous artists sprang up. I would consider the Dutch Golden Age a merchant/artist Golden Age.
But then again, you could argue that no Great Artist was part of the Golden Age as most of these painters weren't recognized as 'Great' Artists until after their deaths. Hmm... So what do you suggest? Van Leeuwenhoek and Van Diemen for the Golden Age, with Rembrandt and Vermeer making a Great Work? This was about the time we lost Belgium, so their culture-bombs obviously didn't work. :lol:

Question: Ling Lun was the founder of music in China. Did he discover music, or was he the great artist that you get from researching music first?

According to a quick Google search, Ling Lun lived around 2697 BC!:

"Chinese writings claim that in 2697 BC the emperor Huang-ti sent a scholar, Ling Lun, to the western mountain area to cut bamboo pipes that could emit sounds matching the call of the phoenix bird, making possible the creation of music properly pitched for harmony between his reign and the universe".

If you beeline for Music, how soon could you get it? Let's see, China starts with Agriculture and Mining. Techs: Writing, Alphabet, Mathematics, Drama, Music.(Vanilla.) I just tried it, and you're barely researching Mathematics when 2600 BC arrives.

I'd say Ling Lun is the one that discovered the tech, because there is no way you can discover Music this early on by pure research alone. But how did China even get a Great Artist this early on? Four extremely lucky goody huts (4 techs on the right path) + artist specialist after whipping a Theatre to create Great Artist (with philosophical Mao to speed this up)? It's unlikely, but not impossible.

Oh wait, you can also use a Great Prophet or Great Scientist to discover Music (but only if there are no religious/scientific techs left on the tech tree, so that's unlikely too).

How did you do it, emperor Huang-ti?! TEACH US!

The Egyptians rushed the pyramids with Imhotep at 2560 B.C.

What if they were playing on settler? The research bonus might allow that.:lol:

I found the list

Great Generals

Sargon
Nebuchadrezzar
Sun Tzu
Leonidas
Lysander
Chandragupta Maurya
Hamilcar Barca
Gaius Marius
Scipio Africanus
Vercingetorix
Arminius
Cao Cao
Zhuge Liang
Belisarius
Khaled ibn al-Walid
Charles Martel
El Cid
William the Conqueror
Subutai
Timur
Jeanne d'Arc
Pachacuti
Auitzotl
Cortez
Pizarro
Ivan the Terrible
Akbar
Gustavus Adolphus
Michiel de Ruyter
Oliver Cromwell
Eugene of Savoy
Lord Nelson
Geronimo
Robert Lee
Yamamoto
Patton
Montgomery
Guderian
Rommel
Zhukov



Great Spies

Pebekkamen
Ephialtes of Trachis
Jing Ke
Qin Wuyang
Calippus
Leone Alberti
John Barlow
Francis Walsingham
Hattori Hanzo
Balthasar Gerard
Anthony Babington
Ishikawa Goemon
Gaspar Graziani
Guy Fawkes
John Honeyman
Nathan Hale
Charlotte Corday (f)
Giacomo Casanova
Allan Pinkerton
William Melville
Belle Boyd
Sidney Reilly
An Jung-Geun
Claude Dansey
Mata Hari (f)
J. Edgar Hoover
Moe Berg
Ethel Rosenberg (f)
Julius Rosenberg
Claus von Stauffenberg
Suzanne Spaak
William Donovan
Speaker the Lionhearted
Viktor Griph
Nolan Buonarroti (f)
Atlas Titanus
Foshaug the Deceiver
Joe Matise
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Great Prophets

Moses - (Egypt, ?) legendary saviour of the Jewish people
Mahavira - (India, 6th c. BC) founder of Jainism
Zoroaster (Zarathustra) - (Persia, 628?-551? BC) founder of Zoroastrianism
Ananda - (India, 5th c. BC) chief discliple of Buddha
Chuang-Tzu - (China, 4th c. BC) pre-eminent Taoist scholar
Mencius - (China, 4th c. BC) pre-eminent Confucianist scholar
Mo Tzu - (China, 470? BC-391? BC) founder of Mohism
St. John - (Roman Israel, 1st c.) prophet of Christianity, Islam and Mandaeanism
St. Peter - (Roman Israel, 1st c.) Apostle of Jesus
St. Paul - (Roman Turkey, 1st c.) Most important disciple of Jesus
Rabbi Akiva - (Roman Israel, 2nd c.) leader of the Bar Kochba revolt against Rome
Mani (Manes) - (Persia, 216?-276?) founder of Manichaeism
St. Augustine - (Roman Tunisia, 4th c.) pre-eminent Doctor of the Church
St. Patrick - (Britain, 5th c.) patron saint of Ireland
Abu Bakr - (Arabia, 6th c.) first caliph of Islam
Shankara - (India, 788-820) founder of the Vedanta school of Hinduism
Kobo-Daishi - (Japan, 9th c.) founder of Japanese school of Buddhism
Atisha - (India, 11th c.) Buddhist evangelist who spread Buddhism to Java and Tibet
St. Thomas Aquinas - (Italy, 13th c.) considered greatest theologian of Roman Catholicism
Mohammed Shah - (Brunei, 14th c.) converted Brunei to Islam
Tsongkhapa - (Tibet, 14th c.) pre-eminent Tibetan Buddhist scholar
Jean d'Arc - (France, 15th c.) heroine of France who talked to God
Narak - (India, 1469-1539) founder of Sikhism
Tipu Sultan - (India, 18th c.) benevolent Muslim leader of a southern Indian state who fought against the British
Ramakrishna - (India, 1836-1886) one of the most prominent Hindu saints
Narayana Guru - (India, 19th c.) great sage and social reformer
Sojourner Truth (f) - (America, 19th c.) African-American abolitionist



Great Artists

Homer - (Greece, ?) wrote the epic 'Ilias' and 'Odessey'
Thespis - (Greece, 6th c. BC) considered to be the world's first actor
Ling Lun - (China, ?) legendary founder of Chinese music
Wang Xizhi - (China, 303-361) considered the greatest calligrapher in Chinese history
Valmiki - (India, 3rd c. BC) wrote the epic 'Ramayana', one of the two most important and influential Hindu books
Virgil - (Roman Italy, 1st c. BC) wrote 'Eclogues', 'Georgica' and the national epic 'Aeneid'
Kalidas - (India, 4th? c.) considered one of India's greatest Sanskrit poets and playwriters
Li Po (Li Bai) - (China, 701-762) 'Poet Immortal', considered the greatest of the Chinese poets, along with Du Fu
Du Fu - (China, 712-770) considered the greatest of the Chinese poets, along with Li Po
Jalal al-Din Rumi (Moulana) - (Persia, 1207-1273) wrote 'Spiritual Couplets', considered second in importance only to the Koran
Dante (Alighieri) - (Italy, 13th c.) wrote 'La Divina Commedia', the basis of the modern Italian language
Yunus Emre - (Turkey, 1238?-1320?) considered one of the most distinguished Muslim poets; had an immense influence on Turkish literature
Amir Khusro - (India, 1253-1325) founder of both Hindustani classical and Qawaali music
Ibn Muqlah - (Arabia, ?-940) the most accomplished Islamic calligrapher
Michaelangelo - (Italy, 15th c.) painter, scultor, poet, architect, made the Sistine Chapel ceiling fresco and 'David'
Raphael - (Italy, 1483-1520) Renaissance painter and architect, best known for Madonnas and Vatican frescoes
William Shakespeare - (England, 16th c.) considered the greatest writer in the English language, wrote countless plays, sonnets and poems
Miguel de Cervantes - (Spain, 1547-1616) wrote 'Don Quixote', one of the earliest European novels, considered finest book in the Spanish language
Rembrandt van Rijn - (Netherlands, 1606-1669) generally considered one of the greatest painters in European art, made 'The Night Watch', 'The Jewish Bride'
Johannes Vermeer - (Netherlands, 1632-1675) famous and genius Dutch Golden Age painter, made 'The Milkmaid', 'View Of Delft', 'Girl With A Pearl Earring', etc
J. S. Bach - (Germany, 18th c.) widely considered one of the greatest composers of all time
Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart - (Austria, 18th c.) concidered one of the greatest composers of European classical music
Johann Wolfgang von Goethe - (Germany, 1749-1832) considered one of the paramount figures of German literature and European Romanticism
Ludwig von Beethoven - (Germany, 19th c.) considered one of the greatest composers of European classical music
Victor Hugo - (France, 1802-1885) pre-eminent French author, wrote 'The Hunchback of Notre Dame' & 'Les Misérables'
Vincent van Gogh - (Netherlands, 19th c.) considered one of the greatest painters in European art, made 'The Potato Eaters', 'Sunflowers', etc
Johannes Brahms - (Germany, 19th c.) by many considered the 'successor' to Beethoven
Antonin Dvorak - (Czech Republic, 19th c.) great composer who used a wide variety of forms
Mark Twain - (America, 1835-1910) "All modern American literature comes from one book by Mark Twain called Huckleberry Finn" (Hemingway)
Claude Monet - (France, 19th c.) pre-eminent impressionist painter, made 'Impression: Sunrise' (after which impressionism was named)
Joseph Conrad - (Poland, 1857-1924) regarded as one of the greatest English novelists
Franz Kafka - (Czech Republic, 1883-1924) one of the major German language writers of the 20th century
Louis Armstrong - (America, 1901-1971) most famous and influential jazz musician
Duke Ellington - (America, 1899–1974) one of the most influential figures in jazz
Pablo Picasso - (Spain, 20th c.) 20th century master painter, founder of cubism, made 'Boy With A Pipe', 'Guernica', etc
Miles Davis - (America, 1926–1991) considered one of the most influential jazz musicians of the 20th century



Great Scientists

Merit Ptah (f) - (Egypt, 27th c. BC) oldest known physician
Xi Ling Shi (f) - (China, 27th c. BC) discovered silk harvesting
Nabu-rimanni (Naburianos) - (Babylon, 560?-480? BC) calculated position of moon, sun, and planets at any given moment
Socrates - (Greece, 5th c. BC) one of the most important Greek philosophers
Plato - (Greece, 4th c. BC) pre-eminent Greek philosopher, student of Socrates
Aristotle - (Greece, 4th c. BC) pre-eminent Greek philosopher, student of Plato, teacher of Alexander the Great
Euclid - (Ptolemeic Egypt, 4th c. BC) "father of geometry"
Ptolemy - (Roman Egypt, 2nd c.) pre-eminent astronomer and geographer from Alexandria
Hypatia (f) - (Roman Egypt, 4th c.) Alexandrian philosopher, mathematician, teacher
Zu Chongzhi - (China, 429-500) invented Daming calendar and approximated pi
Aryabhata - (India 476?-550) founding father of algebra
Al-Kindi - (Arab Iraq, 801?–873) "the philosopher of the Arabs", published on everything from medicine to mathematics to geography
Al-Khwarizmi - (Persia, 9th c.) inventor of the algorithm, "grandfather of computer science"
Al-Razi - (Persia, 865-925) made key contributions to medicine, chemistry and philosophy
Alhazen - (Arab Iraq, 10th c.) discovered optics, founding father of the scientific method
Nicolaus Copernicus - (Poland, 16th c.) developed detailed heliocentric theory, a founding father of modern science
Francis Bacon - (England, 16th c.) philosopher who expanded upon Alhazen's scientific method
Tycho Brahe - (Denmark, 16th c.) made important improvements to astronomic instruments
Johannes Kepler - (Germany, 16th c.) developed laws of planetary motion, key figure in scientific revolution
Isaac Newton - (England, 17th c.) key figure in modern physics, developed classical mechanics and differential calculus
Galileo Galilei - (Italy, 16th c.) "father of modern astronomy and physics", developed experimental science
Rene Descartes - (France, 17th c.) founder of both modern (analytic) geometry and modern philosophy
Antony van Leeuwenhoek - (Netherlands, 17th c.) improved microscope, discovered bacteria, founder of microbiology
Gottfried Leibniz - (Germany, 17th c.) invented the function, developed modern (differential) calculus
Mikhail Lomonosov - (Russia, 18th c.) distinguished chemist, physicist, linguist, historian, writer and scholar
Antoine Laurent Lavoisier - (France, 18th c.) a founder of modern chemistry, introduced quantitative methods to chemical reactions, described oxygen
Carl Friedrich Gauss - (Germany, 19th c.) widely considered one of the greatest mathematicians of all time
John Dalton - (England, 19th c.) formulated modern atomic theory
Michael Faraday - (England, 19th c.) one of the greatest experimentalist scientists; made electricity a viable technology
James Clerk Maxwell - (Scotland, 19th c.) pre-eminent modern physicist, laid the basis for 20th century physics
Louis Pasteur - (France, 19th c.) pre-eminent microbiologist, developed germ theory and inoculation
Charles Darwin - (England, 19th c.) founder of evolution theory
Ernest Rutherford - (New Zealand, 20th c.) discovered atomic nucleus
Marie Curie (f) - (Poland, 20th c.) pioneer in radioactivity
Albert Einstein - (Germany, 20th c.) proposed theory of relativity, key figure in quantum mechanics; greatest scientist of the 20th century
Niels Bohr - (Denmark, 20th c.) leading figure in quantum theory development
Werner Heisenberg - (Germany, 20th c.) one of the founders of quantum mechanics, discovered uncertainty principle
Enrico Fermi - (Italy, 20th c.) developed the first nuclear reactor, key figure in quantum theory development
Rosalind Franklin (f) - (England, 20th c.) biophysicist and crystallographer who made important contributions to the understanding of DNA, viruses, coal and graphite
Andrei Sakharov - (Russia, 20th c.) nuclear physicist and human rights activist, developed atomic and hydrogen bomb, proposed fusion reactor



Great Merchants

Harkuf - (Egypt, 24th c. BC) merchant, nobleman and first known explorer; set up trade routes between Egypt and NUbia
Hanno (the Navigator) - (Carthage, 6th c. BC) trader/explorer who founded trade posts in Morocco and explored the coast at least as far as Sierra Leone (may even have circumnavigated Africa)
Pytheas - (Greece, 380-310 BC) merchant, geographer, explorer who explored and circumnavigated Britain, possibly also Iceland and the Baltic Sea
Zhang Qian - (China, ?-113 BC) Chinese Marco Polo, traveled west as far as Persia, effectively opened the Silk Road
Aretas III - (Nabataean Jordan, 1st c. BC) by conquest monopolised the trade between the West and East
Leif Erickson - (Iceland, 970-?) Norse explorer thought to be the first European to have landed in North America
Wang Anshi - (China, 1021-1086) Sung statesman, attempted major and very modern economic reforms
Enrico Dandolo - (Italy, 12th c.) blind Doge of Venice who forced crusaders to sack Constantinople and conquer its colonies for him
Marco Polo - (Italy, 13th c.) trader and explorer, traveled to China and worked for Kublai Khan throughout East Asia
Ibn Battuta - (Arab Morocco, 14th c.), Arab traveller and explorer who traveled the known Arab world and beyond (up to China)
Richard Whittington - (England, 14th c.) very successful merchant and major of London
Giovanni de Medici - (Italy, 14th c.) founded the Medici bank and dynasty
Zheng He - (China, 15th c.) mariner and explorer, traveled as far as Arabia and Southern Africa and possibly America
Vasco da Gama - (Portugal, 16th c.) first to reach India over sea, opened spice trade between Portugal and India
Christopher Columbus - (Italy, 15th c.) discovered America
Ferdinand Magellan - (Portugal, 16th c.) first to circumnavigate the globe
Jacques Cartier - (France, 16th c.) explorer and trader, explored Canada, discovered St. Lawrence river and founded Montreal
Raja Todar Mal - (India, ?-1589) financial advisor to Akbar the Great, overhauled the revenue system in Mughal India (copied by the British)
Anthony van Diemen (Antonius) - (Netherlands, 1593-1645) key figure of Dutch East India company, established Dutch colony on Ceylon, expanded power throughout Asia, financed Tasman
Sir Thomas Roe - (England, 17th c.) diplomat who secured support from Mughal emperor for first English trade station in India
Shah Jahan - (India, 17th c.) founded Delhi and built the Taj Mahal and Pearl Mosque, started golden age of Mughal art and architecture
Adam Smith - (Scotland, 18th c.) economist, father of modern econmics, free trade and capitalism
James Cook - (England, 1728–1779) first to map Newfoundland, explored Pacific
Cornelius Vanderbilt - (America, 19th c.) railroad and shipping tycoon
Sir Alexander Mackenzie - (Scotland, 18th c.) fur-trader and explorer, first European to cross North America overland
John Stuart Mill - (England, 1806-1873) philosopher and economist, influential liberal thinker
Andrew Carnegie - (Scotland, 19th c.) pre-eminent American steel magnate, philantropist
John D. Rockefeller - (America, 19th c.) pre-eminent American oil, railroad and banking magnate, philantropist
John Maynard Keynes - (England, 1883-1946) economist and monetary expert, founder of macroeconomics
Coco Chanel (f) - (France, 20th c.) enourmously influential fashion designer, built a fashion empire



Great Engineers

Imhotep - (Egypt, 27th c. BC) vizier of Djoser, architect of Djoser Pyramid, founder of Egyptian medicine and pyramid building
Archimedes - (Greek Italy, 3rd c. BC) widely considered one of the greatest mathematicians of all time, invented siege engines, claw, sun mirrors
Heron (of Alexandria) - (Ptolemeic Egypt, ?) invented steam engine, fountain, fire engine, siphons
Cai Lun - (China, 1st c.) invented paper
Zhang Heng - (China, 2nd c.) astronomer, mathematician, inventor, scholor who invented the seismograph, celestial globa and odometer
Bi Sheng - (China, 11th c.) invented clay movable type printing
Leonardo da Vinci - (Italy, 15th c.) universal genius, invented airplane, tank, submarine, machine gun, etc
Sinan - (Turkey, 1498?-1578?) greatest Islamic archtitect, built over 300 structures, most notably the Selimiye and the Suleiman Mosques
Wilhelm Schickard - (Germany, 16th c.) built the first automatic calculator
Blaise Pascal - (France, 17th c.) constructed mechanical calculators, studied fluids, probability theory, vacuum
Benjamin Franklin - (America, 18th c.) experimented with electricity, invented Franklin stove, bifocals, catheter, lighting rod, swimfins, odometer
Charles Augustin de Coulomb - (France, 18th c.) did key research in mechanics, electricity and magnetism
James Watt - (Scotland, 18th c.) improved the steam engine
Joseph Marie Jacquard - (France, 18th c.) invented Jacquard loom
Isambard Kingdom Brunel - (England, 1806-1859) built the Thames tunnel, Great Western Railway, numerous famous steamships and bridges (recently voted 2nd
William T. G. Morton - (America, 19th c.) 'invented' anesthesia
Louis Daguerre - (France, 19th c.) invented photography
Ferdinand de Lesseps - (France, 19th c.) built the Suez Canal
John Roebling - (Germany, 19th c.) built brigdes in the US, such as Brooklyn Bridge, Niagara Railway Suspension Brigde, Roebling Suspension Bridge
Norbert Rillieux - (America, 19th c.) African-American inventor based in France, invented multiple-effect evaporator, improved steam engine
Henry Bessemer - (England, 19th c.) prolific inventor, radically improved steel manufacturing
Nain Singh - (India, 19th c.) explored Himalaya's for the British
Alexander Graham Bell - (Scotland, 19th c.) invented the telephone, photophone, metal detector, advanced aviation, hydrofiol technology
Nikolaus August Otto - (Germany, 19th c.) invented the combustion engine and four-stroke Otto cycle
Nichola Tesla - (Austrian Serbia, 19th c.) invented induction motor, alternating current electrical power systems, Tesla coil, bladeless turbine, etc
Thomas Edison - (America, 19th c.) prolific inventor, invented phonograph, kinetoscope, dictaphone, electric bulb, tattoo gun
Guglielmo Marconi - (Italy, 20th c.) contributed to invention of wireless communication technology, invented radio
Alexandre Gustave Eiffel - (France, 1832-1923) build bridges and viaducts, Eiffel Tower, Eiffel Bridge, Statue of Liberty
George Washington Goethals - (America, 20th c.) US Army civil engineer, supervised construction of the Panama Canal
Henry Ford - (America, 20th c.) invented mass production
Wilbur Wright - (America, 20th c.) with his brother Orville, invented powered flight
Orville Wright - (America, 20th c.) with his brother Wilbur, invented powered flight; world's first pilot

There is also a entry in wikia that has all of the names and a link to their individual articles. Should help with finding real-life uses. Here is a link.

http://civilization.wikia.com/wiki/List_of_historical_figures_in_Civilization_IV

Hey! Cool list.

Yeah thanx for the list

Some more:

Bi Sheng - Great Engineer: Did research for Printing Press for China in 1000 AD (although arguably, he didn't fully discover the tech). Dammit China, are you beelining again?

Spanish Golden Age:
Great Artist Miguel de Cervantes (author of 'Don Quixote' ) & Great Merchant Columbus start Golden Age for Renaissance Spain. (They are the only two GPs that fit the period for Spain, as far as I can see)

Elizabethan (16th century) English Golden Age:
Shakespeare (Great Artist) & Francis Bacon the Great Scientist? Other combos might be possible here.

Spanish Golden Age:
Great Artist Miguel de Cervantes (author of 'Don Quixote' ) & Great Merchant Columbus start Golden Age for Renaissance Spain. (They are the only two GPs that fit the period for Spain, as far as I can see)

Are you sure that Columbus didn't do a trade mission with Montezuma?
I do see your reasoning that it was him starting the golden age because he was the only Spanish one. Are you sure there was no one else from Spain in that era?

The Egyptians rushed the pyramids with Imhotep at 2560 B.C.

What if they were playing on settler? The research bonus might allow that.:lol:

I checked it on wikipedia. Imhotep died exactly 40 years before the pyramids was built. He didn't design it, but he invented a method of building with stone. Not sure if he rushed it or not. He would have been born in year 2640 (in the game), Sacrificed for the mids at 2600 (the exact year of his death.) and the pyramids would be built in 2560 (the exact year that they were built). Seems to fit perfectly. These are all actual years for the game on standard.

P.S Does anyone agree with me that China was playing on settler?

P.S Does anyone agree with me that China was playing on settler?

I TOTALLY AGREE WITH YOU

Ben Franklin-Joined America as specialist.
Eiffel-Rushed Eiffel Tower.
James Watt-Lightbulbed steam power.

Leonidas: Joined to a hoplite, given all the guerilla promos, and placed on a hill between two mountains.

Persia attacks with chariots.

Gustavus Adolphus: Joined to a musketman and given all drill promos.

Eiffel joined a French city? True, he did do more than just design the Eiffel Tower and Statue of Liberty, but he's the only engineer in the game that has a wonder named after him, so I'd argue that he rushed the Eiffel Tower.

The Statue of Liberty was also designed by him, but it was completed after a fund-raising campaign in the USA. This could mean that America rushed the SoL in NY by buying it with Universal Suffrage. Perhaps France provided the [copper - corrected] to cut the production costs by 50%.

Good job calculating Imhotep's actions, Tibur. And yes, China is not just playing on settler, they've also figured out how tho use the WorldBuilder and give themselves Great People and Techs :lol:
I still don't get how they discovered Music in 2600 BC :lol:

Good point. I'll edit that post.
By the way, the statue is built faster with copper, not iron. But France providing the copper is a good explaination for that. :goodjob:

Werner Heisenberg (Great Scientist) - Lightbulbed 'Quantum Mechanics' for Germany (Nimoy Quote: ""If quantum mechanics hasn't profoundly shocked you, you haven't understood it yet." Werner Heisenberg " Oh wait, Quantum Mechanics isn't in the game! :crazyeye: Ok, he researched Fission for Germany, but didn't discover the Tech fully (Germany wasn't capable of building an A-bomb at the end of WW2). Heisenberg did win a Nobel Prize.

Niels Bohr (Great Scientist) - Lightbulbed Quantum Mechanics for Americ...
Performed research for Fission (might have actually lightbulbed it) for America. Leading scientist in Manhattan Project (actually from Denmark). Fled before the Nazi could capture him. Succeeded where his mentor Heisenberg 'failed' in terms of a-bomb research (if you want to call winning a Nobel Prize a failure). Also won a Nobel Prize.

Enrico Fermi - Lightbulbed Quantum Mechani... Lightbulbed Fission for 'Rome'.

Civilization should really allow you to capture enemy Great People. If I had a penny for every time I stood outside an enemy city that had a Great Person in it I'd be richer than a Financial Civ in it's Golden Age.

Quantum Mechanics could also be added. I'm sure it's needed for some Space Ship part and perhaps the invention quantum mechanics could give your nation a 10% science boost or something, now that the civilians have access to quantum computers. No really, if any Tech is missing, it's this one. Quantum Physics: (pre-req - Physics. Allows: Particle Accelerator National Wonder (+50 Science in city) + pre-req for SS Computer Core).

Werner Heisenberg (Great Scientist) - Lightbulbed 'Quantum Mechanics' for Germany (Nimoy Quote: ""If quantum mechanics hasn't profoundly shocked you, you haven't understood it yet." Werner Heisenberg " Oh wait, Quantum Mechanics isn't in the game! :crazyeye: Ok, he researched Fission for Germany, but didn't discover the Tech fully (Germany wasn't capable of building an A-bomb at the end of WW2). Heisenberg did win a Nobel Prize.

Niels Bohr (Great Scientist) - Lightbulbed Quantum Mechanics for Americ...
Performed research for Fission (might have actually lightbulbed it) for America. Leading scientist in Manhattan Project (actually from Denmark). Fled before the Nazi could capture him. Succeeded where his mentor Heisenberg 'failed' in terms of a-bomb research (if you want to call winning a Nobel Prize a failure). Also won a Nobel Prize.

Enrico Fermi - Lightbulbed Quantum Mechani... Lightbulbed Fission for 'Rome'.

Civilization should really allow you to capture enemy Great People. If I had a penny for every time I stood outside an enemy city that had a Great Person in it I'd be richer than a Financial Civ in it's Golden Age.

Quantum Mechanics could also be added. I'm sure it's needed for some Space Ship part and perhaps the invention quantum mechanics could give your nation a 10% science boost or something, now that the civilians have access to quantum computers. No really, if any Tech is missing, it's this one. Quantum Physics: (pre-req - Physics. Allows: Particle Accelerator National Wonder (+50 Science in city) + pre-req for SS Computer Core).

They should have kept Atomic Theory from Civ3. Requires Physics. First to discover gets a new tech. Quantum mechanics would be a good one too. But why would quantum computers give a science bonus? :confused: The accelerator one is good though. Add Fission as a requirement for it instead of Physics though. :goodjob:

Capturing Great People and Naval units (see French Fleet in WWII) would be a great addition.

Cortes- Attached to a Cavalry and given the Tactics, Leadership, and Shock Promotion, Led Spain's Secondary Stack against countless Jaguar Warriors defending Tenochitlan

Curses someone beat me to Leonidas...Guerilla 3 and Shock/Formation?
Curse Firaxis for making Phalanx Axemen and Immortal Chariots!

I disagree with ICNP and Commodore Nate. Leonidus probably only gave them Guerrilla II. Guerilla III only gives a benifit for attacking hills and a bonus withdraw chance. The last thing that Leonidus would do was withdraw. Probably gave them combat promos and formation too.

Descartes also helped pioneer the theory of probability (with Fermat and others), has the standard coordinate system named after him (don't think he invented it though), and said "Cogito, Ergo, Sum" (I think therefore I am). Marco Polo invented Polar Coordinates, the other coordinate system (caution: this may be untrue).

It's a shame Leonhard Euler isn't in the great scientist list, I rate him as highly as Gauss myself.

I disagree with ICNP and Commodore Nate. Leonidus probably only gave them Guerrilla II. Guerilla III only gives a benifit for attacking hills and a bonus withdraw chance. The last thing that Leonidus would do was withdraw. Probably gave them combat promos and formation too.

Well if you want to get technical... There is still the problem of immortals being mounted...

Two things I noticed about the Great General list on the previous page:

1. Jean D'Arc is both a Great Prophet AND a Great General.
2. General Akbar (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akbar) is not Admiral Ackbar (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Admiral_Ackbar). :lol:

@ Onagan: I considered Van Leeuwenhoek, but I think the influence of the East India Company is the main factor here. The 'common man' could invest money in the trading ships and share in the profits 'when their ship came in' with spices. Art was considered a good investment for the money and numerous artists sprang up. I would consider the Dutch Golden Age a merchant/artist Golden Age.
But then again, you could argue that no Great Artist was part of the Golden Age as most of these painters weren't recognized as 'Great' Artists until after their deaths. Hmm... So what do you suggest? Van Leeuwenhoek and Van Diemen for the Golden Age, with Rembrandt and Vermeer making a Great Work? This was about the time we lost Belgium, so their culture-bombs obviously didn't work. :lol:It worked, we got rid of them :lol:, but more serious, they understand the culture-bomb

I disagree with ICNP and Commodore Nate. Leonidus probably only gave them Guerrilla II. Guerilla III only gives a benifit for attacking hills and a bonus withdraw chance. The last thing that Leonidus would do was withdraw. Probably gave them combat promos and formation too.
ha touche! (Don't have e with an accent)

Admiral Yamamoto: Attached to aircraft carrier or airplane. Sunk/intercepted.

nice civluva !

hmmm , they should included more , its a shame so many are not included , .....

Some more GPs and their real-life use:
:

"Zu Chongzhi - (Great Scientist) (China, 429-500) invented Daming calendar and approximated pi."
Lightbulbed Calendar for China.

"Xi Ling Shi (f) (Great Scientist) - (China, 27th c. BC) discovered silk harvesting."
Uhm...she was an empress who discovered silk worms more or less by accident. But she didn't research planetary orbits like Zu Chongzhi so attributing Calendar to her would be too much. I'd say she settled in a city as a Great Scientist (/married to the emperor). Wiki isn't clear on what city she lived in.

Coco Chanel (f) settled in Paris as Great Merchant and continues to generate cash with clothing/perfume lines after death