Hmm, i think it is also worth discussing...

I'll begin;)

North Pole drilling - gives free oil and gas(if it would be implemented) , +1 :hammers: in all cities.

As for the projects, first of all I would like to discuss SDI: i think it must be very, very costly, upgraded (either build it's new levels or upgarde by great people like Altar of Lunnotar in FFH)

World Wonders:
United Nations :backstab:- Starts UN elections and what not.
Space Elevator - +50% Spaceship :hammers:
Three Gorges Dam - Electricity to every city on continent
Great Cathedral - +50% culture in city, spreads culture group (under constrction in Barcelona, Spain)

Projects:
Mission to Mars :scan:- space race equivalent except must complete several times to win
First Cloned Human :borg:- Allows cloned units for everyone (if the game goes over 2015)

National Wonders:
Central Bank - Generates HUGE profit (don't know how much)

Here are a few things I thought up.

First Cloned Human :borg:- Allows cloned units for everyone (if the game goes over 2015)


Whoa, cloned soldiers by 2015? I'm not sure if I like to imagine that...

I'd like to add the good old Wall Street as National Wonder.

And here's a list for Apostolic Palace surrogate wonders sorted by Cultural Ideology:

Western: AAEO (still to be constructed)
Orthodox: CIS (built in Minsk)
Amerindian: Mercosur (Montevideo or Buenos Aires)
Muslim: OIC (Saudi-Arabia)
Hindu: SAARC (Nepal)
African: AU (Addis Ababa)
Eastern: ACD (Thailand)
Jewish: NJA (to be constructed)

Projects:
Mission to Mars :scan:- space race equivalent except must complete several times to win


I thought that space programmes could be several wonders/projects
1.national wonder;space programme (REQ.must have 5/6 laboratories/research institutes) 2 free scientists in city,10% science for all and 50% for that city
canada,US,EU,China,Russia start with this.Japan has one under construction
2.national wonder;moon landing.(Req space programme,+possible'space centre' improvement)
US starts with this
3.national/world wonder.Back to the moon(perm.base etc) 50% science in that city,1 free scientist,2 free engineer ,great engineer/scientist spawned.
US has under construction. req space programme+moon landing
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This should have a ridiculusly high :hammers: ,so that it taakes at least ten game-years to complete this one and the mars mission not untill 2025......
got to go1:assimilate:

Then who would do it? There should be +1 relations from all leaders saying "You’ve' done something great, good work" and increased research expediential or some other bonuses. Like I said earlier, you need multiple missions to win so there's time for small countries to win but yes several different projects to make one mission. And by 2015 I meant first cloned human not soldier that would take many more years.

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This should have a ridiculusly high :hammers: ,so that it taakes at least ten game-years to complete this one and the mars mission not untill 2025......
got to go1:assimilate:

I don't think it needs to, how about making it need a tech, so you "research" the possibilties of going to the moon and so on, then build what is required which wouldn't take too long.

but what about journery time?

A few months (to mars)

Shouldn't it take at least a year if not more :confused:. Also that thing that’s replacing the Twin Towers is a wonder.

Well i have heard 3-4 months, although i suspect that would be at closest approach, which would be the ideal time to get to mars

Space wonders:
Space elevator
Mars mission
Space station
Colony
Missile defense system

Other:
Time travel
cloning
teleportation system
Three Gorges Dam
Great Cathedral
UN
North pole drilling

ok first, north pole drilling? it isn't land it is only ice, or have i missed something? is there anything there but ice and snow? and this UN thing do you mean that it is already built? the three gorges dam are they building it in china?

Yes the three gorges dam will be completed in 2011 i think or so. U.N. is already built and i think that north pole drilling is to determine the age of ice so we know when the ice ages ended.

ok first, north pole drilling? it isn't land it is only ice, or have i missed something? is there anything there but ice and snow?

It is believed as the planets heats up for reasons we don't need to discuss that resources such as oil will be accessible to drill for therefore providing countries such as Canada, Russia, USA and Norway with new sources of oil and so on. Thats what i think it is meant to represent.

ok but how shall we get the resources there when they have finished the wonder?

EDIT: i mean northpole drilling, oh and also when you finih the wonder there should be some :mad: in cities, because of nature activists who don't like it.

What about LHC wonder, doubling city science output?

North/South pole drifting sounds cool, but I'd more like to see it as improvement thing that as a wonder.

Instead of Mission to Mars as a space race equivalent I suggest [b]First independent human colony on Mars[b] thing. I can see player building vital constructions on Mars, and it bears... how is that word... a message, a little bit like AC mission does.

What about some of the Dubai 'wonders'?

Palm Islands (http://images.businessweek.com/ss/06/03/dubai/source/4.htm)

Major 'Look what we can do factor'. Depending on national or world status I'd say it could be a modern Hanging Gardens but instead of +1 health it could give +1 happiness.

Also what about a possible Olympics building? Or an event that happens ever 2 years after Olympic years that basically tasks a random person that hasn't done it yet to build the Olympics stadium?

Just some non-space ideas. And agreed Freedom Tower, twin tower replacement, should be a wonder. Not sure what it should do though.

I hear that Taepai has made some super tower.

Projects

National Space Program:
- Gives 5% boost in research in all cities
- +2 :) in all cities
- +5% :hammers: in all cities

hosting the olympic games

+1 relations with all AI players
+2 happiness

Olympic Games should be determined by an AP-like event:

3 Cities are chosen (biggest, most profitable..something) randomly. Then, all the nations vote on who gets it.

Yeah, that'd be cool.

very good idea :goodjob:!

i agree, damned good idea, perhaps top 10 for more variation, it happens every 4 years as it is.

Since it's 2008 , why not China's "birds nest"

Hmm, what about the folloowing wonders for the 21st century:

Greenland/Antarctica Settlement: once the ice is gone you could settle there

Banghladeshi resettlement: 140 milliono people living in an area that will be seafloor in 2100, and they ain't the only ones (guesstimates go from 500 million to 1 billion that need to be resettled in this century)

Swimming Netherlands: there are already swimming houses in the Netherlands, swimming cities are in planing so why not take it firther: a swimming country?

Submerged Arcologies: once you got your feet wet, you can start diving as well

and so on. A significantly rising sealevel will make new world wonders necessary.

maybe a swimming city national wonder that only can be built in coastal cities, and they also have to be threatned by flood, what do you say?

maybe a swimming city national wonder that only can be built in coastal cities, and they also have to be threatned by flood, what do you say?

Perhaps the national wonder "coastal flood defences" could be built?

if they are not built a rising sea levels event could cause coastal tiles to lose 50% hammers, 50% food & 50%gold?

Perhaps the national wonder "coastal flood defences" could be built?

if they are not built a rising sea levels event could cause coastal tiles to lose 50% hammers, 50% food & 50%gold?

good idea, and also an addiction 70-80 % chance of flood event in city reducing 1 or more population.

Olympic Games should be determined by an AP-like event:

3 Cities are chosen (biggest, most profitable..something) randomly. Then, all the nations vote on who gets it.

Good idea, but If this happens then it will usually be: Tokyo, New York.. something. How do they choose the city anyway.

They don't choose the city; cities themselves have to submit entries, then they are whittled down to one by a panel.

Then should we display it the same way in the game as in real life?

Remember there is already Levees in the game.

Remember there is already Levees in the game.

aye, true.

But coastal defences against rising sea levels, vis a vis global warming, would be on a massive scale and of immense cost, therefore they warrant national wonder status to me.

I guess so. Now that i think of that it it actually a good idea.

Some ideas:
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Cure for Cancer (wonder, the clinic where it's developed)
+ 1:), + 1:health: in all cities, unlimited doctor specialist


The Space Race:

Spaceport (nat. wonder)

Space program (nat. project, req. Spaceport built somewhere)

Moon flight (req. Space program)

Mars flight (req. Moon flight)

Moon colony (req. Moon flight)
Provides 1 He3 resource from Spaceport (required to build He Fusion Plants)

Mars colony (req. Mars flight)
Provides 1 (some rare mineral, required for something cool) from Spaceport

Alpha Centauri Expedition (replaces Apollo Program, req. Mars colony)
Allows building Spaceship parts


The Space Elevator
+50% Space Race build speed


Orbital Solar Collector (req. Spaceport)
Free Microwave plant in all cities on continent


Then the existing wonders:

Three Gorges Dam
Provides power for the city it's built in, the Orbital Solar Collector does what the vanilla TGD does, +25% production

Other existing wonders (Pyramids, Angkor Wat, etc)
+ :culture:

Some ideas:
(tech reqs not shown)


Cure for Cancer (wonder, the clinic where it's developed)
+ 1:), + 1:health: in all cities, unlimited doctor specialist


The Space Race:

Spaceport (nat. wonder)

Space program (nat. project, req. Spaceport built somewhere)

Moon flight (req. Space program)

Mars flight (req. Moon flight)

Moon colony (req. Moon flight)
Provides 1 He3 resource from Spaceport (required to build He Fusion Plants)

Mars colony (req. Mars flight)
Provides 1 (some rare mineral, required for something cool) from Spaceport

Alpha Centauri Expedition (replaces Apollo Program, req. Mars colony)
Allows building Spaceship parts


The Space Elevator
+50% Space Race build speed


Orbital Solar Collector (req. Spaceport)
Free Microwave plant in all cities on continent


Then the existing wonders:

Three Gorges Dam
Provides power for the city it's built in, the Orbital Solar Collector does what the vanilla TGD does, +25% production

Other existing wonders (Pyramids, Angkor Wat, etc)
+ :culture:

Yes those are good ideas. I agree.

Another idea on olympic games:

They don't choose the city; cities themselves have to submit entries, then they are whittled down to one by a panel.

And basically the city who presents the most impressive and convincing application is chosen.
So why not representing this by a wonder race. Every 8 years (or so) before Olympic Games a new wonder becomes available to build for everyone. For example by 2012 the "Olympic Games 2020" wonder can be built by everyone. Who is finished first will be hosting the games in 2020. This has no effect initially until 2020. Then it could:

- Give happiness
- Give good relations (maybe no possibility to declare war at this time)
- Start a golden age

Of course there can only be one Olympic Games wonder per city.

BTW: Planning a golden age long ahead might be an interesting gameplay feature.

I recall seeing an Olympics mod somewhere (while trolling through the downloads link). I think it allowed countries to compete for the bid somehow, but maybe not by building a wonder(?). So, it could be recurring as mentioned above.

For north pole drilling, this isn't a wonder, it's just a feature of 1) global warming, and 2) desperation/competition for resources/money. One way to handle it would be to put oil/other resources under the ice at both poles (note: south pole has some land under the ice, north pole does not except for Greenland etc), add the icebreaker mod (WoC?) and/or wait for global warming to melt the ice, and then allow exploitation of the resources with drilling rigs in the usual manner.

What about some of the Dubai 'wonders'?

Palm Islands (http://images.businessweek.com/ss/06/03/dubai/source/4.htm)

Major 'Look what we can do factor'. Depending on national or world status I'd say it could be a modern Hanging Gardens but instead of +1 health it could give +1 happiness.

Also what about a possible Olympics building? Or an event that happens ever 2 years after Olympic years that basically tasks a random person that hasn't done it yet to build the Olympics stadium?

Just some non-space ideas. And agreed Freedom Tower, twin tower replacement, should be a wonder. Not sure what it should do though.

Well, we can have an Olympic council that decides every 4 years (not sure the turns) were to have the Olympics, we can kinda base it off of the Congress feature in Rhye's Rhyes and Fall of Civilization mod.

We here in Chicago are actually building a tower taller than the Freedom Tower (300 feet taller than the spire on top of the freedom tower), called the Chicago Spire (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicago_Spire), which when finished (2012, 1-2 years before the Freedom Tower) will be the 2nd tallest in the world, after The Burj Dubai (the lumbering giant in Dubai),
I don't know if you want to add another wonder or something. Just posting ideas.

But coastal defences against rising sea levels, vis a vis global warming, would be on a massive scale and of immense cost, therefore they warrant national wonder status to me.

Except that it won't be done on a national level; nations will protect important cities and let less valuable land disappear. Consider the way Britain has protected London/the Thames with the Thames Barrier.

So - make protection a city improvement and/or allow workers to 'recover' coastal squares (this option helps explain the Netherlands). And then give any non-hill/mountain hex bordering the sea a chance of being submerged each year depending on the current pollution level.

Edit: moved here (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?p=7707887&postcount=66).