A new UKNES3 is being made. Please be patient, it should be up soon!

I promise this one will be much simpler and a lot more fun!

Nemesis

I will be Tzar Chris The Second of the Russians

Good to have you playing, Anarchy!

Also, I forgot to say, MONEY DOESN'T CARRY OVER TO THE NEXT TURN. ANY LEFT OVER IS GONE I'M AFRAID.

This is to prevent any more banking races!

Finally, there are 84 provinces and 14 nations. That means 6 per nation. Let's see if it ends up that way...

MAP
http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads/uknes3.jpg

Good luck all!

Nemesis

PS: LINK:
http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads/uknes3.jpg

Hey! shame about UKNES2 but this should be good.
I'll be the French with a claim on 10 11 12 13 and 26 Also my tax rate will be 50%

Finally, claims don't mean anything, you have to take them first. And just incase no one understood, to take a province you must move an army to there, then the turn AFTER buy the province for 5 gold(when your army can be moving onto the next province).

And good to see you playing, Rev.

Orders MUST be PMed to me! And 50% tax rate?! It's between 0 and 10 lol.

Nemesis

OK thanks. when do we start sending orders in? also is our capital a castle or what?

I'll Play Rome

Rev.= read the bottom of the main post. I've updated it.

Nemesis

Also, one final thing. This is a time when words meant nothing, and allegiances changed easily.

Yes, it is a time of chivalry and honour, but those have no place on a battlefield.

So you may sign pacts etc, but there is no guarantee people will honour them, or help you should you be attacked.

Oh, and the year is 1300AD.

Nemesis

It looks great !! I'll be King James of Britain.
I claim Iceland and Ireland to be british lands.

Just checking your rules:
No armies may move on the turn they are built?
So no armies will move on the first update?

From France
To Spain Rome and Germany

If everyone resects my claims than we can all form a allance. Spain you should claim 19 and 20, as well as your mainland. Rome you should expand into Greece and Germany should take as much land as possable right under the Teutonic and Austran noses.
I hope a strong leader comes from your nation.

No armies or fleets will move on the first update.

The first update will be very quick, so the game can begin quickly.

Nemesis

I'll be King Ferdinand of Spain. PS, what do Manors do? Can they just be upgraded? Can we send in orders now?

France: I require Province 12, this will our two nations out, and I will join your alliance.
-Spain

There is a chain of upgrade:

Province->Manor->Town Hall->Port or Armoury->Castle

This is to make building production areas harder, and give different levels of income.

Manors and Town Halls only provide income, they don't build things.

And orders should be sent in now, I'll probably update tonight so the fun can begin...

Nemesis

To Spain
From the most Christain France

12 is needed as it is next to my capital, if it is for money purposes than you are welcome to 26. Also you should do your best to educate the savages in Morraco and beyond. There is some sort of organzation there but your christain armies will crush them underfoot.

I will be Sweden. King Hothgar of Sweden.

To The Russian Kingdom
From King Hothgar
My Christian Brethren with the Recent rise of Muslims in the Middle east i feel that your kingdom is threatened from the south. And as your honorable christian brother i feel that i should not contribute to your fall but to help buttress you against the Muslims i offer you my eternal friendship and an alliance against these agressors. So my friend will you agree to an alliance. If not then i ask that we come to an agreable solution to the northern territories since i feel that a war between us would just bring victory ever close to the Muslims. As such a ask for only the provences north of 63 to grow into. Please reply yay or nay to such an agreement.

To Brittian.
I offer the North Sea agreement. We two nations will be allied to forever protect and police the north sea forever claiming it for our two nations secruity. Please reply if such an alliance is agreable.

i`ll be byzantium.

Wow,the happiness system takes time to read through.Hope I won't get rebellions too unexpected.

Anyway,I'll be King Albrecht I of the German Empire.

To:Rome,Spain and France
From:Germany

I agree,let's form an alliance to counter the Muslim threat lurking behind the Mediterranean.Together we will even be stronger than the Frankish Empire of Charlemagne 500 years ago.But the Teutonics are Christians as well so should become kind of associated to us if they wish.

To:France
From:Germany

Bohemia or Tirol are too far away for me right now so I'll have to take control of adjacent provinces instead namely Flandria (10),Denmark and Western Pomma (37).This is absolutely necessary for the security of Hanover,so I demand you stay out of 10.

To:Sweden
From:Germany

I wish to inform you I'll colonize Denmark with German settlers next year.And don't forget me,the third nation adjacent to the North Sea if you sign any agreements with Britain.

To France
From Espana (how do you make the tilda on the "n"'s?)

That is precisly the reason, friend. I thank you for your offer, and will take it. I hope our nations can grow as one and learn to live together in peace. I am obliged to join the pact.

From Britain

To Sweden :
Dear King Hothgar
I'm please that Sweden has a peaceful ruler at her head. I agree to your proposal, no British fleet will cruise in sea B and C. I'm also sure that a DPP will benefit to our 2 nations. This document is awaiting for your signature.

To Prussia :
Dear King Albrecht
I propose you that the sea C should be demilitarized. Our nations don't need to deploy fleets in this sea.

To France :
Dear King
One of my fleet will be deployed next turn in the sea D. You can be sure that this fleet is only for Ireland's annexion purpose.

From France
To Espana

I hope this can cause a relationship of the strongest caliber, prehaps our Franco-Espana pact could be expanded to inculde Rome and/or Germany. How about about as part of our pact we include a ROP as well as a understanding that in all wars one of us join, are backed up by the other member.

OOC : UK, can I load and unload armies if the province is only separated by a sea ? For example, can I move my armies from London straight to the province 3 and 4 if I have a fleet in the sea D ?

From France
To Britain

I have no problem with fleets in the sea around me as long as we stay on very good terms. I think full navel rights should be exchanged for your full support in my claims. Also I would request that any allies you gain are not hostile to me or Espana.

I hope this is acceptable

To:Britain and Sweden
From:Germany (not Prussia)

I agree to a demilitarization of C.I also offer both of you Non Aggression Pacts.

To:France
From:Germany

I would be willing to grant ROP if I'm allowed to join the Franco-Spanish alliance (Please let us call it CN :D )

From Britain

To France :
Dear King
Britain won't interfere in continental affairs for the moment. The British crown only plans to develop her presence in Britain, Ireland and Iceland. But if you need a ROP in the sea D for helping your allies, it is granted under the only condition you warn me before deploying your fleets. By doing so, our relationship will be based on mutual confidence and that is the thing the British crown is researching. I also offer you a Non-Aggression Pact.

To Germany ;) :
Dear King
I accept your NAP and offers you the same ROP as France under the same conditions.

To: France
From: Espana

I would agree to the acceptance of members of Germany and Italia, but none else. We do not want a huge alliance, this has proven unsuccesful in the past years (referring to the European pacts in UKNES2...lol). About the ROP, I don't see any use of it for you to go through Spanish territory. Espana claims 17, 18 and 19. A ROP shall be granted between our nations, however. I hope this will greatly bring our nations even closer together. May our bond be the strongest ever in EUROPE!

To: Germany
From: Espana
I would be happy if you joined our pact. You have acceptance by me.

To: Rome
From: Espana
Perhaps your valliant nation would agree to a offer to join thepact being arranged by France and I? If so, please report back to either me or France.

To:Britain
From:Germany

I agree with the terms concerning ROP in D.

To:Espana
From:Germany

France already agreed with my membership I think,so the [how do we call us?] now includes Spain,France and Germany.And although you probably will never need it I grant ROP to you.

From France
To Germany, Rome and Espana

This will be the extent of the pact. I think some sort of name would be in order. This pact could be at the moment a main forum for other nations to sort out their problems, but we must show that we are not to be messed with. Any sort of claims by us that others call unfair should be ignored.

I shall take the Teuton's, as Otto of Brandenburg. We shall revive the glory of the Teutonic Knights!

To all nations
From: Otto of Brandenburg, the Teutonic Order

The Teutonic Order hereby makes public claim to the territories of 59, 60, and 70, and we will deploy armies to those areas in the near future. These claims do not unreasonably conflict with any of our neighbors, and we hope all nations will agree that such annexations are logical and prudent for our own security.

Otto
Order of the Teutonic Knights
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To: Germany
From: Teutonic Order

Friend,

We have fought many battles together in subduing Prussia during the 1200's, I hope that we can continue that peaceful coexistance while exploring other opportunities in our future.

Regards,
Otto

To Brittian and France
From King Hothgar fo Sweden
I except the demiliterization of D.

To Brittian
Whats a DPP?

(OOC- Kennelly nooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!! not the CN!:D )

To France/Spain/Germany:

I warmly welcome the Pact and do hope we can all foster and grow together.

I would like to make it known for the betterment of the Roman People we require The Island of 26 for our finacial growth as well. I trust we can come into agreement that with the annexation of northern Africa Spainish coffers will be full for some time and perhaps in the future we may discuss the transfer of 26 to the Spainish after Roman Legions have moved in towards the Macedonia.

- Ceasar Poto

To Rome
From Espana

We, also, require the island of Corsica, but am really to make a deal. Perhaps, if the North-African nations do not take it, I shall have 19. Perhaps we should pressure the Moores to allow the ownership of 19 to go to Espana?

Juliennew: Check the list of what you can do in one move, it should help.

Anyway, to answer your question, it takes one move to get onto the fleet, and one move to get off. No units can move as soon as they are built, so it will take this turn to build an army and a fleet(cause if you build it next turn it can't transport till the turn after), so that the army can board it next turn and then unload the turn after that in Ireland.

Complicated I know, but it's to give advance warnings of attacks.

Anyway, remember everyone, unlike the SUPERNES, this one doesn't have any guarantees on the alliances etc! That means someone may use a ROP to backstab you, or not help you if you are attacked even if you have a MPP with them!

This is to make everybody very suspicious of their allies, just like people usually were then.

Nemesis

To: Espana
From: Rome

Rome hears your Request and we will try to convince, persuade the Moors to let Espana grow into northern Africa.

To: Moors
From: Rome

Greetings from Rome. We are in communication with our mutual neighbor Espana. He is interested in the Province known as 19 and I was hoping we could come to an agreement regarding this land.
I ask you to look to your East. Rome's old advisory, Carthage, should provide you with ample land that you may require and you may rest assured that Rome will support you in any difficulty you may have in securing African Land.

- Caesar Poto

To Moors
From Spain

I hope we can come to a conclusion regarding 19. I promise you, when I recieve the land I will move no further.

I'd just like to tell everyone, YOU CAN CHANGE THE TAX RATE NOW, AND THEN SPEND THAT MONEY.

Ie; if you change the current tax rate to 10, then you'd get 90 gold this turn rather than 45. Just state what tax rate you are using this turn.

Juliennew, due to you only spending 45 gold, I'm leaving the tax rate and 5% instead of 6%, okay?

Nemesis

MODERATOR MOVES

I moved for the Moors, Carthage, Egypt, the Saracens, Russia and Austria.

COMBAT REPORTS

No combat this turn.

REBELLIONS

There were no rebellions this turn.

UPDATED MAP

http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads/uknes3turn1.jpg

GOLD TO SPEND THIS TURN

ALL ARE SET AT THE BASIC 5% RATE FOR THIS LIST. TO CHANGE YOUR TAX RATE, JUST PUT IT IN YOUR ORDERS, AND SPEND THE EXTRA MONEY THE SAME TURN. EVERYONE PLEASE PUT YOUR TAX RATE IN YOUR ORDERS PM EVERY TURN.

FINALLY, IF YOU AREN'T SURE HOW MUCH GOLD YOU WOULD GET FOR A CERTAIN TAX RATE, PM ME. IT IS EASY FOR ME TO WORK OUT DUE TO A SPREADSHEET.

Britain has 30 gold to spend!

France has 50 gold to spend!

Spain has 30 gold to spend!

The Moors have 50 gold to spend!

Carthage has 35 gold to spend!

Egypt has 30 gold to spend!

The Saracens have 30 gold to spend!

Byzantium has 50 gold to spend!

Russia has 50 gold to spend!

Sweden has 30 gold to spend!

Germany has 35 gold to spend!

The Teutons have 25 gold to spend!

Austria has 35 gold to spend!

Rome has 30 gold to spend!

Good luck all!

Nemesis

PS: Link for those who have problems seeing the [img] tags:
http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads/uknes3turn1.jpg

PPS: Sorry Bill_in_PDX, you can only move armies on the turn after they've been built.

UK: I think it might be taking to long to get something done when you can't move when you make an army/fleet. Perhaps you could devise someother plan?

This is just my 2 cents.

Jason

Yeah, the naval system is a little wierd. If Sweden wanted to invade Britain it would take him 4 whole turns! One to build the units, another to embark the armies, another to move, another to unload and attack. And from the start it would be perfectly obvious to Britain and he'd have four turns to prepare...

What I think works well but also simply is this:

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An army can move ONE space on land, OR it can move indefinitely on sea - that's up to the fleet.

A fleet can move ONE space on sea, AND it can embark passengers up to a total of four from any 1 location, disembark any passengers into 1 location, and also pass armies FOR FREE to any neighboring fleets. And it can carry armies indefinitely of course. So a fleet could embark some, move, disembark, and act as part of a convoy [NOT the tail end of the convoy though, because it already spent the disembarking part of its move].

Also, it would help if armies could move when created, but NOT over a border when created, that works well.

So, in that case, Sweden would take 2 turns to invade. One to build the armies and fleets, and move the 2nd fleet to sea C [it could convoy the armies over now, except for the border-crossing rule], and one more to convoy them all over. Enough to take Britain off guard, but not surprise him completely. After all, he'll see the convoy coming...

That is what it is like in JNES too. It just works better and has a fast resolve to everything. Four turns is roughly a week, and by that time the idea of invading is already fading!lol. Anyways, whatever you do, Nemesis, is fine with me, as it is your NES.

Or, if you want to avoid the sort of border skirmishes that occurred in the last game, you can set a limit to the amount of units that each building type can produce per turn...

To:Teutonic order
From:Germany

Dear Otto,

we see it with great pleasure you were finally able to christianize the Prussians in the past years.I hope you will spread the glory of the Christian church even further East and offer you a Non-Aggression pact.

[OOC whats this with luxuries which also affect my happiness?How do I get them? OOC]

Luxuries aren't anything really, except like jesters in ARTNES. Basically for 1 gold, you add 1 happiness to 1 province.

As for the transport system, it's staying the way it is, but there are a few things I forgot to mention about it, such as:

A fleet can unload units AND load units in the same turn. Ie; a fleet in D could take 2 armies on from 6 and deposit 2 already on board in 4. Also, any number of provinces can be involved in it(ie; one from 5, one from 6, one to 4, one to 3).

Finally, moving along a convoy also takes no movement cost. That means an army could board one end of the convoy and get off of the other end the next turn. For the first turn it would take the turns of all the fleets in the convoy, and for the second it would only take the last fleet's. All of those fleets can be loading and unloading while in the convoy.

A fleet can carry only 4 units in one turn however.

Nemesis

Also, this system is designed to give a lot of advance warning, as this isn't D-Day(although the Germans knew that was coming), but a time when the sails would be seen a long time before they landed. Also, it is slow, just as it was.

But I am going to try and update daily, so that the turns fly by.

Nemesis

can i be austria?

Yes, course you can. Just send in orders before tonight, as that's the next update.

Nemesis

do i propose alliances by myself or through my orders?

Buys and moves are the only things put in orders(basically, things that affect your nation, and no other unless you're attacking them).

Things like alliances etc, diplomacy, politics and other stuff are all posted on here.

Nemesis

OOC : Demetrias, the DPP is a defensive alliance. I only come to help you if you are attacked, not if you are the agressor.

From Britain

To the CN :
I hope you the best for your alliance. May Christianity spreads in Europe.

;)
The empire of Austria offers a defensive alliance with the honorable Teutons.

OOC hey Julien who's CN?

To brittian
From Sweden
Then i except. Thank you for your offer and i hope our nations can continue to grow in friendship and Trust.

To The Cn.
From King Hothgar
i hope your alliance is for peaceful intentions. I must support any christian nation your coalition fights for personal gain. if you are not the aggressors then i will not enterfer. May you always be peaceful so that war may never come to war between us.

OOC : The CN is the alliance between Germany - France and Spain. I thought you named it "CN".

Right, I've decided to allow it that you can move your armies into an unclaimed province and claim it for 5 gold in the same turn.

Julien, your armies will be on board the fleet for this turn, only next turn can they move into Ireland.

Also, if you are at war with a nation, peace must be declared before you can claim any of their provinces you have taken.

Nemesis

OOC did I? what did I say it stood for? (Im very confused at the moment)

the CN (i think civilised Nations, in JNES) was only proposed, and not final yet, as Spain does not agree. I propose WEPP, Western European Peacekeeping Pact.

UK, since you changed the rules, I will send in new orders...

To:Spain
From:Germany

Germany disagrees with this proposal,we don't consider us western Europeans but being in the center of Europe.As you,Spain are also more Southern European why don't we just call us EPP?

Albrecht I,King of Germany

And what would EPP stand for? Besides, if you divide Europe only into west and east, you will find that you are mostly on the west side. If you want to divide into south and north and west and east, no one would be east or west, it would be in 4 quadrants, NW, NE, SW, SE. To call something North, south east and west would be dividing it into only 2, hence east and west, north and south.

From:Germany

EPP would of course stand for European Pact of Protection.And my nation is NOT Western or Eastern European but the heart of Europe so I won't sign a pact called WEPP.

So is there gonna be an update tonight or are there still more people who need to send in there orders?

To the world
From France

My long term plans are for all the claims I made to be inforced and these's lands to be turned into devoloped lands which means I can take the Tax rate down. Also I wouldnt mind gaining a few lands in Africa.
Of course this would be at the exspense of a non European Nation. I tell you all this so that people know that I am trustworthy and set on my goals.

To: King of Austria
From: Otto of Brandenburg, The Teutonic Order

Hail Friend,

I am pleased to see a powerful neighbor such as you being willing to discuss mutual defense.

Since we are new friends, ther Teutons cannot enter into a full DPP. However, I pledge to you now a Non-Aggression Pact, and hope you will reciprocate.

Once we have worked together a little longer, then I feel we will be ready to explore more binding pacts.

Regards,
Otto

The launch of this NES has been a disaster for me, simply because I didn't really like my own rules before I launched it!

Anyway, to correct this, I am restarting the UKNES3. Please see the forum for more info. It will have much better rules, and an actual goal for people to achieve.

I was considering doing it in WW2, with squadrons able to board fleets, attack production areas and be based on runways, but this proved too complicated.

Above all, the UKNES is supposed to be simple but effective. That is what the new UKNES3 hopes to achieve.

Nemesis

Okay, the new UKNES3 is up. Sorry to annoy you all by closing this one, but I'm sure you all agree it's too complicated!

I've changed the happiness to patriotism in the new NES, and it is much easier to understand.

I hope the new one will be updated daily, as I had hoped this one would.

But for now, I declare this failed launch version DEAD.

Long live the new UKNES3!

I know it only has 10 places, but I think that's enough for now.

Nemesis