So I've just discovered today what the Princess Rule was (the whole "If it can be on a 6 year old bedroom wall it won't be in FFH" thing, for even noober noobs than me :) ).

I just have to ask : How did cute and amusing penguins bringing happiness and joy to your city manage to pass with such a rule ?

Especially considering that Erebus is coming out of the Age of Ice, how can people actually enjoy seeing "creatures of the cold" frolicking in the tundra ?

Other than that, well, awesome mod, I haven't played vanilla civ or any other mod in ages because of it, congratulations to the whole team !

The "cute and cuddly" thing is just an act. They're really agents of the Illian mafia who slowly take over your civ.

...uh-oh, I shouldn't have said that. Just smile and wave, boys. Smile and wave! :lol:

Look at the Penguins in Runescape. Here (http://runescape.wikia.com/wiki/Penguins). There planning Global conquest and deloslation. Also, my penguins are translucent, and don't move. Their actually very powerful explosive golems, built to look like peguins.

I actually considered this before adding the penguins. They are definitly more whimsical than your typical FfH entry and they probably wouldnt have been added except that I personally really wanted penguins hanging out on some of the cold coastal areas in one of the "Ice" scenarios. The fact that an event got added for them is really secondary, I was trying to dress up a scenario map.

But its a reasonable question, though I dont think they truely break the princess rule as much as other things that it was intended to block (pegasus, unicorns, justin timberlake posters).

I actually considered this before adding the penguins. They are definitly more whimsical than your typical FfH entry and they probably wouldnt have been added except that I personally really wanted penguins hanging out on some of the cold coastal areas in one of the "Ice" scenarios. The fact that an event got added for them is really secondary, I was trying to dress up a scenario map.

But its a reasonable question, though I dont think they truely break the princess rule as much as other things that it was intended to block (pegasus, unicorns, justin timberlake posters).

The angelic procession event infringes a bit too, in my opinion, but again, it's not a big huge deal and anything that lowers the Armageddon counter without my having to work at it is okay with me.

Maybe they aren't penguins at all? Maybe they are Prinnies (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prinny)?

But Pegasi? what if their jet black and go around mauling people? sorta like the spider event but u can catch it and and it to a unit (Fly on a Hero any1? and it would give combat buffs cuz its trampling the enemy)

But its a reasonable question, though I dont think they truely break the princess rule as much as other things that it was intended to block (pegasus, unicorns, justin timberlake posters).

you should check out the carnivorous unicorns from the game "overlord", they're awesome :p

Pinguines are pure maskulin... they wear a smoking. :lol:

you should check out the carnivorous unicorns from the game "overlord", they're awesome :p

Awesome? It indirectly killed me!

I thought that I'd be smart, and go up to them, not burning the forest down, and keeping myself good. So, I stride triumphantly into the wheat field. And then... I press the 'E' button, casting fireball, and burning the field & sacred tree. The unicorns die, the tree dies, and I die. Oh well. What's the good of power if you can't wield it? :D

you should check out the carnivorous unicorns from the game "overlord", they're awesome :p

This goes back to an earlier point about why would we borrow common concepts if we weren't takign advantage of their identity. I believe Overlord did it as a joke. But I think having FfH include unicorns with the stipulation that they are "evil flesh eating unicorns" would seem unimaginative.

This goes back to an earlier point about why would we borrow common concepts if we weren't takign advantage of their identity. I believe Overlord did it as a joke. But I think having FfH include unicorns with the stipulation that they are "evil flesh eating unicorns" would seem unimaginative.

I'd like to see Nightmares as an actual unit (barb, maybe) that are spawned on hell terrain, or in an event, as I hardly ever see Nightmare resources, since the Infernals don't really expand much in my games.

Penguins do not necessarily = "cute." Don't forget H.P. Lovecraft had penguins in "Call of Cthulhu." Admittedly, they were giant albino penguins which lived near the Mountains of Madness and which the shoggoths ate, but they were still penguins.

Hmmm ... Perhaps we can have two penguin events, the original and a multi-part event in which the happy frolicking penguins mutate into giant albino penguins. You'd have a turn or two to deal with the problem, otherwise something nasty like a Pit Beast shows up to eat the penguins and some of your units. Of course, both events would start exactly the same ...

This goes back to an earlier point about why would we borrow common concepts if we weren't takign advantage of their identity. I believe Overlord did it as a joke. But I think having FfH include unicorns with the stipulation that they are "evil flesh eating unicorns" would seem unimaginative.

Yup, I would agree. Overlord was a fun game and the concept of all the twisted critters on it was a good one. However, adding them because they were presented the way they were on Overlord would be pretty unimaginative at best, and that's one thing this mod and the team are not.

Too bad about the Justin Timberlake posters though.... :lol:

Penguins do not necessarily = "cute." Don't forget H.P. Lovecraft had penguins in "Call of Cthulhu." Admittedly, they were giant albino penguins which lived near the Mountains of Madness and which the shoggoths ate, but they were still penguins.

Completly off topic but Guillermo del Toro (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0868219/) (director of Hellboy II, Pan's Lanyrinth, and one of my personal favorite directors) was looking to make Mountains of Madness. Though I think that may have been bumped so he can direct the Hobbit and Dr Strange (which Neil Gaiman helped write).

But Im still hoping that someday I get to see del Toro's take on the giant penguins.

FfH actually already comes very close to including Unicorns. The real kind of unicorn, not the typical fantasy version. Ancient references to a Unicorm/Monocorn, as well as the more recent references to them made by Marco Polo, seem to pretty clearly refer to what we would call a Rhinoceros ("nose horn"). Of course, these referred to the one-horned Indian/Asian variety, not the two horned version that the Dwarven Hornguard ride.

Here. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elasmotherium) This is possibly the origin of the Persian Unicorn. Oh and Here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unicorn#Possible_origins).

Penguins don't violate the princess rule cuz of their nefarious nature. Consider this. Wat do people in tuxs do? MAFIA!

Here. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elasmotherium) This is possibly the origin of the Persian Unicorn. Oh and Here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unicorn#Possible_origins).

It's very interesting finding out the sources of these mythological creatures. For example, the griffon came about when people found the bones of a certain type of dinosaur in Asia near very rich deposits of gold. It was said the griffons guarded the gold or used it in their nests or something. Oddly enough, the dinosaur in question didn't have wings at all, but a large bony plate that extended over it's back resembling wings. Somehow the stories of this guardian creature made it west to the Greeks, where the stories of the griffons we know today in western culture were written into history/mythology.

A great deal of the Greek mythological creatures have their origins in what you might call early archaeology and the finding of ancient bones that couldn't be explained at the time except through mythology.

Ya know, often these supposed origin creatures are fakes, cuz the scientist wanted to cheat and say he found a new extinct species. But let's not get goin on that. I could go forever.

Anyway, bottom line penguins=mafia. Therefore, penguins don't fall unner the princess rule. So, suck on that, daddy's lil girl!

I think FFH should allow some of these things because Civ 4 is about carving the world to your liking. Once you get the Arm'y counter down to -100 as Elohim, Unicorns should start to spawn and the bears should smile.

Despite that sarcastic remark, I really see no problem with a horse that can gore people. And I think Vehem's implementation of a Tali Pegasi graphic promo is pretty cool, though the art should be retextured to look more hawkish to match Tasunke's outfit. Speaking of Mod Mods....ever heard of Morrowind for Kids or whatever that was? Someone could do that for FFH... ('No one really fell and Bhall and Succellus and Ra are all best friends - from heavan' or NoRFBSRBF. )

I think you're officially a princess. But if you want em so bad, you mod em or get someone to mod em for you. Keep in mind that you'll jus confirm that you're officially a princess.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gilled_Antelope

Fun bit of myth that was found to be an actual animal. Can't breath underwater like legend though.

That's jus an antelope. :|

This goes back to an earlier point about why would we borrow common concepts if we weren't takign advantage of their identity. I believe Overlord did it as a joke. But I think having FfH include unicorns with the stipulation that they are "evil flesh eating unicorns" would seem unimaginative.
what about spore and carebares that rule the world, and wipe out rival civilizations on other planets with nukes?

Wat bout not bein so frickin dumb bout your jokes? Seriously, this is a serious discussion. If you can't be, bug off. ;)

The "cute and cuddly" thing is just an act. They're really agents of the Illian mafia who slowly take over your civ.

...uh-oh, I shouldn't have said that. Just smile and wave, boys. Smile and wave! :lol:

Ah.. Mr. Underhill, it has come to our.. attention, that you spread certain informations, that were meant to stay.. confidential.
Now, would you please follow us? Our penguin overlords want you to test the seaworthiness of some new shoes.

Ya know, often these supposed origin creatures are fakes, cuz the scientist wanted to cheat and say he found a new extinct species. But let's not get goin on that. I could go forever.

Anyway, bottom line penguins=mafia. Therefore, penguins don't fall unner the princess rule. So, suck on that, daddy's lil girl!

My lil girl is growing up with martial arts, weaponry and dark fantasy novels/computer games.. I'm hoping the first boy that tries to hit on her she laughs at him.

I see dark fantasy as a good tool for educating children in the 21st century, but I would imagine that it would take an extrordinarily skilled parent to use it properly. Otherwise I'd just keep the news channel on.

My lil girl is growing up with martial arts, weaponry and dark fantasy novels/computer games.. I'm hoping the first boy that tries to hit on her she laughs at him.

I hope so too. Then she won't be a spoiled lil princess. We got nough of those with Holywood out there. Damn you, Holywood!

Completly off topic but Guillermo del Toro (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0868219/) (director of Hellboy II, Pan's Lanyrinth, and one of my personal favorite directors) was looking to make Mountains of Madness. Though I think that may have been bumped so he can direct the Hobbit and Dr Strange (which Neil Gaiman helped write).

But Im still hoping that someday I get to see del Toro's take on the giant penguins.

Wait a minute, del Toro and Gaiman teaming on Dr. Strange!? I soooo just had a "Geekasm."

Add Leopard Seals. They love to eat the cute little penguins of Antarctica.

Yea, they litterlary shake the Penguin out of it's skin so that it doesn't eat the feathers.

what about spore and carebares that rule the world, and wipe out rival civilizations on other planets with nukes?

They would be vicious carnivorous carebears, hardly the carebears of childrens cartoons.

Besides, the vast majority (there are over a million spore creatures uploaded) are your standard exotic extraterrestrial creature.

Spore has nothing to do with FFH2 anyways, so using that as a comparison is moot.

edit: oh yea, you guys should try out that spore creature creator sometime, it's pretty cool, I've made a couple creatures myself and uploaded them. None of them look cute btw, I did make a comical looking six winged creature, but we're talking about the princess rule here, not whether something looks or acts funny.

Penguins, as everyone knows are an essential ingredient of stout (Guiness for American readers); you boil them up and the white stuff floats to the top ;)

Classic ...

Penguins, as everyone knows are an essential ingredient of stout (Guiness for American readers); you boil them up and the white stuff floats to the top ;)

And don't it make some of the best beer out there? :beer: