Hello all, im trying to organise a big game of FFH patch J with minimum of 8 players maybe some AI.

Game to be played every sunday from about 10 am-3pm GMT
If you can't make a sunday then lets us know as far in advanced as possible, we will call it off for that sunday or arrange to play another time that week if pos.
If someone drops out for to many weeks we will just play on without them or find someone to take over their empire
All skill levels welcome its just for fun. Id recomend playing your race at least once on single player though so you have a feel for them.


You Need:
1. MSN messanger - Got to contact you outside of game
2. Windows XP - The reason i ask for this is due to extensive playing both over LAN and Internet i have identified that OOS occurs when vista and XP are used in the same game. Ive never had an OOS with just XP or just Vista machines. Obviously i cant monitor your OS but if OOS occurs and continues then the game will be over.
3 ADSL - i assume nearly everyone has it this day and age any way.

Rules:
Map type: Tectonic - Lakes (30%) water, Aridity Level = Normal
Map Size: To be decided - Dependant on player number
Victory conditions: All except time
*End of winter will be on
Turns: We can vote wether to do simultaneous or not (I cant make my mind up wich is best)
Play how ever you like - game starts out as an FFA; anything goes remeber its just for fun.

Post here if your up for it along with the race you want to be. First come first served basis with regards to race (everyone has to be a different one) and who gets in the game.

Teams so far:
1.Horadrim - Calabim
2.SMIFFGIG's - Sidar
3.Morni - Lurchip
4.Danielseses - Svatlafar
5.smusebaer - Lanun
6.Arctic Circle - Sheaim
7. Ecco - Grigori

7 players is pretty good id be happy to play as soon as youve all picked ur teams. Having said that if anyone else reading this wants in then feel free to add yourself. I think im going to cap it at 10 people though. The more we have the less likely we will be able to get everyone together on sundays.

Game will be on SUNDAY the 13th

I'd want to join, but don't have Vista. You're too picky :)

XP only here as well.

Well thats sad :-( i really wanted a game. If we can get the OOS fixed within the next patch then ill bear you in mind. Im going to run some tests for Kael tomoz that may help id the problem.

Please if any one wants to take part in this big game let me know. Cant believe no ones interested, thaught id have 8 people within the day seeing as this mod is so popular.

Lots of people like FFH2.

Few people like Vista.

Good luck gettin anyone who uses Vista sides yourself.

Well im taking steps to try and change it to xp seeing as you lot wanna play but arent on vista, in which case ill contact all of u. If any one fancies a smaller game in the mean time (on XP) send us a message.

good work Horadrim, find out where this sick misstake oss is, if i had vista sure i help you but i also have xp...
but the projekt to find the damm oss ...
yes go on..
many pepole stay behind you and wait for the Results..

Well im taking steps to try and change it to xp seeing as you lot wanna play but arent on vista, in which case ill contact all of u. If any one fancies a smaller game in the mean time (on XP) send us a message.

Well, I'll be lookin forward to you pmin me and us all havin an xp game.

I'd be willing to play, but I'm XP too.

I'll play a smaller game though.

How about organising a big XP game?

Yup thats what im doing, this is now switching to xp

A suggestion, now I have had the experience that despite people say 'I have the latest version of xxx etc' you still get 'not the same core files' or similar problems. Am I the only one with that sort of history? Anyhow, you can solve that by installing a fresh version of the Mod, calling it 'The Big Game' and then distributing that folder in a zipped version to all participants. That way -everyone- have the same mods, modmods and modmodmods..

Yeah, I was interested, but only schoolkids and gamers can sit up until 3 in the morning on the night before a workday. :old:

A suggestion, now I have had the experience that despite people say 'I have the latest version of xxx etc' you still get 'not the same core files' or similar problems. Am I the only one with that sort of history? Anyhow, you can solve that by installing a fresh version of the Mod, calling it 'The Big Game' and then distributing that folder in a zipped version to all participants. That way -everyone- have the same mods, modmods and modmodmods..

Yeah, I was interested, but only schoolkids and gamers can sit up until 3 in the morning on the night before a workday. :old:
It's 10 AM to 3 PM (15:00), unless you're in a different timezone of course.
Oh, and I haven't really decided on a civ yet, since I have no experience with multiplayer games at all. Will post here once I decide.

it would cool if it could be recorded from an agnostic point of view being able to see everything.

Damn, I jus realized that 10AM to 3PM in +0 GMT is 4PM to 7PM in -6 GMT. Well, that works anyway. So, yeah, still in.

We should doublecheck that everyone has the same build version. Mine is Civ Version: 317, Build Version: 3.1.3.1 (104717). Make sure yours checks out. Also, turn off modular loadin, as I'm sure we all have different modmods.

This can be done in the .ini file, which is filepath C:\Program Files\Firaxis Games\Sid Meier's Civilization 4\Beyond the Sword\Mods\Fall from Heaven 2 032\Fall from Heaven 2 032.ini. Change it to fit the spoiler below.

Change this:
; Modular XML Loading
ModularLoading = 1

to this:
; Modular XML Loading
ModularLoading = 0

@ Rocklikeafool I think you made a mistake and -6 GMT means 4 am to 9 am.
because I am at +2 GMT and that means + 2 hours.
http://wwp.greenwichmeantime.com/

@ Horadrim,
I don´t like to install MSN. If got a messanger allready (Skype).
And I would like to play the lanun.

it would cool if it could be recorded from an agnostic point of view being able to see everything.

I'm pretty sure you mean omniscient... not sure how "agnostic" could apply.

That said, it would be really cool to be able to watch a replay of the game after it finishes. Beyond the current "see colors expand on a tiny map" recap, of course.

I was kinda wondering about that myself. Although, it might be interesting if the Narrator was Luonnotar. That's what was done in most the Religious pedia entries, to give the view of a more neutral observer.

Think I'd like to try the Luchuirp for this one.

@ Rocklikeafool I think you made a mistake and -6 GMT means 4 am to 9 am.

Yes, I miscalculated. Sorry. That's wat happens when attend engineerin school. We joke at school that any math with letters (i.e. x=5, etc.) confuses us. The sad part is it sometimes we make mistakes cuz we get careless. Ironic, huh, the engineerin student makes math mistakes, right?

No Problem, the one correcting you is also an student of engineerin student.
And a german one. :D
So now I get back to my dam homeworks and go on wondering why I am so stupid....

It's 10 AM to 3 PM (15:00), unless you're in a different timezone of course.

Oh sorry. I am GMT + 1 .. I think ;)

Then I might be interested. Could we perhaps hook up just for testing purposes so that we can actually play together M? I have no great experience in playing online.

And I tend to favor Sheaim, Khazad or Grigori.

Hmm, in case anyone were interested. Math with letters is often called Algebra. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Algebra

Arctic ill put u down as sheaim

Im going to remove anyone who hasn't stated what team they want to be yet unless theyve told me they dont care (rocklike a fool im assuming you dont mind.)

Game wont start this sunday but next sunday. Ill still be up for a smaller test game if anyone wants one during the week.

it would cool if it could be recorded from an agnostic point of view being able to see everything.

I would also like to do this just so i could show it to Kael incase it would help him with development or identify any problems with multiplayer. I dont know how to do it though.

You have been PM'd.

We should doublecheck that everyone has the same build version. Mine is Civ Version: 317, Build Version: 3.1.3.1 (104717). Make sure yours checks out. Also, turn off modular loadin, as I'm sure we all have different modmods.


Hmm I have Civ version 313 Build 3001 (81539) .. hmm .. what? Please advice.

A suggestion, now I have had the experience that despite people say 'I have the latest version of xxx etc' you still get 'not the same core files' or similar problems. Am I the only one with that sort of history? Anyhow, you can solve that by installing a fresh version of the Mod, calling it 'The Big Game' and then distributing that folder in a zipped version to all participants. That way -everyone- have the same mods, modmods and modmodmods..
I approve of this suggestion.

Its simpler than that. All you have to do is check that you are running The latest patch for Civ IV (v174), the 3.17 BTS and 0.32i FFH. And no mod mods (so if uve installed any this will require a reinstall of FFH)

Ive done this with SMIFFGIG and tested it with danieleses earlier tday.

when Du want to run a test game?

Hmm I have Civ version 313 Build 3001 (81539) .. hmm .. what? Please advice.

You should really update to Civ 313, and get FfH to patch J.

And then, instead of fooling around with multiplayer games, get to work on updating the Jotnar so I can finally try them out :P

As for the game, looks like I shouldn't join up. I'm going to lose reliable computer access in a few days for a little over a month. Bummer :(

Ill PM u smusebaer if u want to run a test for compatability and we will arrange a time. I have already done it with 3 other people its oretty simple.

Bad luck Duck and cower sorry you cant play. Hopefully some other time.

Remeber everyone sunday the 13th. Ill Pm u all again before to remind u.

Hmm, in case anyone were interested. Math with letters is often called Algebra. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Algebra


And us engineerin students are used to Calculus, which is an expansion (and a large one) of Algebra. ;)

So, will we play with a specific patch or just whichever is the newest one on the start date?

Wonderin that myself. Horadrim?

We can all patch to J

Wouldn't L (or maybe M or N, if they come out soon) make more sense? J introduced a few CTDs the next patches had to fix.

L jus came out. Tho, based on my schedule, I unfortunately can no longer do this. Sorry. Less you pick a different time, I'm out. I hope y'll have fun tho. Peace.

Can someone hook up with me and we can run a testgame? PM me.

No Problem, the one correcting you is also an student of engineerin student.
And a german one. :D
So now I get back to my dam homeworks and go on wondering why I am so stupid....

LOL. I see two engineers in the same thread about a game I'd like to join, and the reason I can't join is because I'm not at home for ten more days - I'm in Zagreb (capitol of Croatia) because I have to enroll a college ... Faculty of Civil Engineering :) Coincidence or what :)
Anyway after I'm back home I might join this game if someone drops. I tried to organize something like this but we were plagued by OoS and dropouts, but then again it was before many patches or even BtS.
Plus wish me luck in becoming a student of engineering :)

K we will get the latest patch on the saturday night before the game. It will be each individuals responsability.

Im sorry to here you wont be able to play rocklike a fool.

If any one wants to test compatability prior to game i will be available Thursday.
Would 8pm GMT be ok for you all.
It will just be a quick compatability test for everyone who needs it. We will launch teh game and play 5 turns.
Please all download the latest FFH patch before hand. You will also nee dthe latest Civ, BTS patches too.

A test would be nice. Will try to remember it :)

I tried to hook up yesterday with danielseses and we couldn't see each-others games. If we ran the vanilla civ we could see all games in circulation, but not when we did FFH.

Quite certain I have CIV 1.74, BtS 3.17 and FfH 0.32 L. Like tripple checked.

Any ideas? Could use a little help.

Use Direct IP instead of a Lobby. Most people who manage to play MP FfH do it in that manner (that is what they are actually using when talking about Hamhachi Networks. Hamhachi is just a little chat interface that reveals your IP address.)

If any one wants to test compatability prior to game i will be available Thursday.
Would 8pm GMT be ok for you all.
It will just be a quick compatability test for everyone who needs it. We will launch teh game and play 5 turns.
Please all download the latest FFH patch before hand. You will also nee dthe latest Civ, BTS patches too.

Yes. Most likely. However, right now I do not think it will work.

Anyone that can help me test today, something came up for danielesis..? PM me.

THats wiered danielseses and me got it working fine as soon as he downloaded civ IV 1.74.
Ill be able to test with u arctic but not till thursday, that ok ?

THats wiered danielseses and me got it working fine as soon as he downloaded civ IV 1.74.
Ill be able to test with u arctic but not till thursday, that ok ?

Of course. I just suspect that thursday, it will not work. And then I'll just hope you have some good idea on what to. Awaiting thursday however, I will remove and reinstall Fall From Heaven. Civ 1.74 I allready have.

I removed the Fall From Heaven mod folder, then I installed the basic FallfromHeaven2032.exe.

Then I added the media pack. FfH2032media.exe.

Then I added the 'l' patch. FfH2032l.exe.

Anything else?

Not that i can think off, only i dont use the media pack. We could try it wothout that but ithink SMIFF uses teh media pack and ive been pk with him before.

Are you online in 30 mins? PM me?

The game is up and I see it, but what is the password? Eh?

i havents etup a game ur seeing someone elses! Im sorry i was late ill setup a game till 8.45 incase u come back, Chek ur private mail for details!

Everone please chek you PM's for final details on the game.

Use Direct IP instead of a Lobby. Most people who manage to play MP FfH do it in that manner (that is what they are actually using when talking about Hamhachi Networks. Hamhachi is just a little chat interface that reveals your IP address.)

It is free secure (even the dload site is secure) virtual IP networking software for connecting without one's actual IP and thus allowing certain accesses. The chat part is incidental and the point is to not reveal/use your actual IP. It never bugs you to pay anything, it's a tiny program and it provides secure virtual direct IP connections. I think its primary use is networking other than gaming, but it serves our purposes.

So, if you want to direct IP with a condom and avoid the gamespy mess, google hamachi and search forum for threads with networks.

Hamachi is great. It's the only thing that could make it possible to play NWN2 multiplayer :P

I could loan NWN2 .. :)

hamachi directly links your innermost ip adress into its network,
dam that does sound unsafe...

Network: FFH2_MP
password: ffh

if it's going to be on hamachi I'll play, I call Ljosalfar!

My choices:

1. Svart
2. Grig
3. Balseraph

What hamachi network?

Ok, are you guys/girls getting ready?

Hamachi Server is up. Me and eccofarm in there atm.

I am on FFH2_MP, but I can't chat, there is some commersial message wanting me to buy a premium account.

I am on FFH2_MP, but I can't chat, there is some commersial message wanting me to buy a premium account.

Impossible. Click no? It never bothers me.

edit: Glad it's working :)

Mate i pm'd u the details of what teh server would be called a few days ago ur in the wrong server.

FFH2 The Big Game
Pwrd is qwerty

Ok, I am on

Arctic is right, you can't chat on a basic account.

You can chat 1 on 1, but not at a 'Network'.

Can someone confirm that I counted wrongly and that we begin in one hour?

Its Dead on 10 now. Trust me thats coming from someone living in a GMT zone. However im prepared to wait for one more person to show up but only for 30 more mins.

Great. But I am just saying that if we begin later, the game doesn't become later for me - it becomes shorter. Most likely things will turn up later today and I have only dedicated the time that we agreed to.

I have no problem waiting a few minutes. Or 30.

Also, unless I am misstaken, if someone stumbles in later they can take over an AI civ during the game?

Ok dont trust me im exchanging GMT for BST on the assumtion britian always runs of GMT. Thats not the case!!

It is currently just gone 9am GMT but 10 am BST. I will start the game at 10am GMT as i said i would.

My appologies.

I'm not used to normal speed, but I figured why not give it a try.

I spawn on a mountain ridge in the water and look around a little - jungle is my option (and what might be mainland many moves away). A few forests (on hills) and the rest water. Ok, so I need to get fishing first or I will have 1 commerce for the rest of the game (or chop forests...) Fine. I spread out a few warriors, grab a couple huts and save one hut for later. My econ cannot handle the fog-busting, but I figure I will deal with that later. For now, I have 3 cities planned and fogbusted for (even if it doesn't hold long) and I will get fishing eventually. Turn 34 random event: -1 food in center-tile of capital (the only city I have, of course). I really wanted to try a 10+ hour game in normal speed but that start is just too much. I have a save of the game so anyone can look at the starts (some are wow) and a screenshot of my 3-wide forest and peak "land"; don't want to spoil anything for now though.

Good luck guys. Sorry I cannot do 20 hours (500+ turns?) of normal with that start. Since it was purely PvP, I cannot see how I could impact the game except as an extremely weak vassal. Maybe next time.

My mate took over ur civ and is now toping the game after backstabbing his next door neighbour. I think ur just not used to normal speed, things tend to work differnetly.

Dang, when were y'all planning on starting another game?

I think we are having a smaller one in around 40mins

Ecofarm u had a good starting location there was nothing wrong with it. I took over your Civ when u had 2 cities and I am now at the top of the score chart.....


I think FfH2 deserves its own multiplayer forum ? anyone else agree ?

P.S. Ecofarm dont post a screenie yet , cause we are still playing this game lol.... just incase

what game options are y'all gonna be playing with? and how would i join if invited?

what little time i played was fun. sorry i had to run off but let me know if y'all ever play again.

My mate took over ur civ and is now toping the game after backstabbing his next door neighbour. I think ur just not used to normal speed, things tend to work differnetly.

Ecofarm u had a good starting location there was nothing wrong with it. I took over your Civ when u had 2 cities and I am now at the top of the score chart.....

P.S. Ecofarm dont post a screenie yet , cause we are still playing this game lol.... just incase

Reserved for screenie. And wait till you see some of the other land!! Wow. I'll post a save of turn 30 and you can look at everyone's start.

PvP with events, huts and totally unbalanced land is bogus. Equal TBG, equal islands and no random events, no huts is the way to go. Wait till you see how different the starts are, huts, etc.

Also, Tsunami is so broken. With any water-heavy landmass, it is... well.... broken. It seems like most maps have "Lanun" starts and if you are not Lanun, or worse - cannot go OO, then you are just screwed. Fishing first for 1 resource is terrible and so is bronze first to chop open land.


James = Svart?

Don't you guys love it when a Svart (with a top 3% start) tells you that your (for example) 1 tile island is pretty good land :mad:

Civ or FFH is not balanced, and it is not intendet to be. OO was not foundet in our game, and perhaps James will found it and he played Ecofarm´s civ quiet good. With simple things. He made a warrior rush at my kingdom, i was unprepeared, but even with the double amount of troops, his hero would have killed me. He let me escape with a Settler to found a new city (in the mountains, with nearly no food, that is a bad start :) ). I am small, but that is no reason not to have fun.

Civ or FFH is not balanced, and it is not intendet to be. OO was not foundet in our game, and perhaps James will found it and he played Ecofarm´s civ quiet good. With simple things. He made a warrior rush at my kingdom, i was unprepeared, but even with the double amount of troops, his hero would have killed me. He let me escape with a Settler to found a new city (in the mountains, with nearly no food, that is a bad start :) ). I am small, but that is no reason not to have fun.

1. Svarts land is top notch, really unreal. Period. Resources... defense... it's all there in spades. Noone stood a chance (except perhaps a couple others who got nice land).

2. My land... well, I will let the screenshot speak for itself.

3. My land has nothing to do with Svart's top start pwning all. He was not "playing my civ" or using my land at all, I assure you.

4. I got -1 food in capital center turn 34.

5. I was Grigori - no OO or FoL allowed.

My screenshot and save will show my start is not worth anyone's time. Wait until you see what other people got for events/huts, too. Hah. I don't play PvP to be someone's whipping-boy.

Yes, I know FFH is not balanced (I do not see that it should be or could be in all circumstances). I've been playing BTS ladder for years and FFH for about a year with hundreds of MP games. This is a most extreme example of unplayable start and we are not talking about a couple hour game. 10+ hours of that start is absurd, especially PvP.

ps. Don't give me this about good and simple, as if I am just not a good enough player to handle that land. Warrior rushing with grigori, really? Simple, yes.

I cannot wait to post screen and save. Wait till you see what others had.

ps. Instead of that impossible start, I played equal-islands, no huts, no barbs, no events, quickspeed, ladder gamespy games with 6-8 people three times (BTS :( ), finishing 2,2,1 :)

http://league.civplayers.com/

Water and forests are just too terrible in FFH unless Elves, Lanun or at least take a religion. As grig, with no OO or FoL on the horizon, a pure forest-hill and water start is death (excepting a successful warrior rush but I don't do that). Getting bronze to chop or fishing to work water takes too long. I would have done it anyway, I was teching fishing. I would have hung around and not warrior or even axe rushed! Then the -1food in cap center made it beyond silly. It's true, I'm not experienced with normal speed, anymore, and I'm willing to try again but the screen and save will end debate regarding my assessment. If we play PvP, it's best no events, no huts and equal-tbg, equal-islands, solid coast pangea, or another map that noone gets totally screwed (blessing helps prevent that too).

I was playing the svartalfar, not James. He took over your civilization, the grigori, and he's at the top right now. And while i agree this sort of map can be very imbalanced (yes my starting position was very good for the very first 3 cities, not after that) your start was nowhere as bad as you make it seem.
Oh and why won't you do a warrior rush? What's wrong with that?

I am looking forward to continue this game, however it is a little sad that both me and Dan threw away a thirty turns doing an zero-result war against each-other. At least I learned that you -can- stop pyre-zombies and skeleton-summoning adepts, if you push three times as many hunters in their way. I also got lucky and not a single tree-ent appeared as I walked through the ancient forests.

Just, do Ancient Forest don't burn? I tried to put it on fire a bunch of times with absolutly no results. Also my Pyre Zombies exploding caused no secondary fires.

Our armies were about equal in numbers (i just had a few more warriors and i was in a city). My mistake was not waiting till Poisons before walking around your borders with that stack of hunters. It was just that you were paranoid and ruthlessly attacked my hunters which were actually on a camping trip, nothing more :p

Yeeeeaaaahhh.. camping... :rolleyes:

And I had like five adepts, one mobius witch and threw away totally twelve (or thrirteen) pyre zombies. Your defensive stack was so many that they went off-screen. I just figured I'd have to do it unto you, before you did it unto me.;)

If anyone wants to play some today, I have a Hamachi open for it. PM me.

Sorry btw for leaving the second game yesterday

Believe me they weren't that many. When we made peace i had 6 hunters and 7 warriors left (and 1 adept) in that city. If I had as many as you think I would have just swamped you after your pyre zombies we're dead. Your stack went of-screen at some point too by the way.
I'll be better prepared next time :ar15: ,now i know i'm not fighting an AI :lol:

Believe me they weren't that many. When we made peace i had 6 hunters and 7 warriors left (and 1 adept) in that city. If I had as many as you think I would have just swamped you after your pyre zombies we're dead. Your stack went of-screen at some point too by the way.
I'll be better prepared next time :ar15: ,now i know i'm not fighting an AI :lol:

Well. I did kill about twenty units for you, so if you had fourteen left when the rumble was over I'd say you lost quite a few. And it was fun. Next time i'll come with twenty pyre-zombies, mages with spectres (+3 death mana) and some supporting planar gate creatures. Unless of course you'd prefer a permanent alliance of the only evil civs instaed of meeting the walking dead.

"An alliance with the Svartalfar!"
"Yes, sire, they -are- evil"
"No, we are evil, they are just kind'a .. bad .. "

Yes, I did have a total of eight? units capable of casting summon skeleton, that is five adepts + five? pyre zombies + three spectres (from mobius witch) + eight? skeletons as maximum.

Your griffon actually was rather nasty, and the bears and all that. I never figured into the account that you'd subdue half the animal population of our side of the map. Not to mention the invisible giant spider that attacked one of my lonely adepts inside my cultural borders, it was a really sneaky move.

:salute:

Yeah stupid spider. Also i thought the griffon could pillage, sadly it's not so. Either way i'll be waiting (i love assassins :cool:). The thing i don't like about this map is that there are such big distances between players (i can really see the elohim or grigori winning an altar victory) and there are areas which would really suck to settle (full of deserts and peaks).

Did you get any war wearriness by the way? Cuz i had none.

your start was nowhere as bad as you make it seem.

Oh really?...

Don't forget to add -1food in capital center.

It's not the best start i'll admit (although i can't see what's to the left) but the fact stands that it was not impossible and you shouldn't have just left. Arctic didn't have a good start either (yeah i know he had 1 gold in his city radius and another just above it), full of forests just like you, but you don't hear him complaining. James also had a very bad start in the next game we played but he stuck to it. Also i would have liked more forests and less plains i could care less about the corn since corn doesn't give hammers.
You just have to learn to deal with what's given to you, it's part of the game. Or do you always regenerate the map when the start doesn't suit you?

It's not the best start i'll admit (although i can't see what's to the left) but the fact stands that it was not impossible and you shouldn't have just left.

Host said it was a 10-20 hour game. I'm not playing a 10-20 hour game with that start, as grigori, and getting -1food in capital tile on turn 34 normal speed.

Arctic didn't have a good start either (yeah i know he had 1 gold in his city radius and another just above it), full of forests just like you, but you don't hear him complaining.
He had gold and land without forests.

James also had a very bad start in the next game we played but he stuck to it.
His was average.

Also i would have liked more forests and less plains i could care less about the corn since corn doesn't give hammers.
Haha. You need 2 food sources to grow big in guardian of nature. You got not one, but 2 corn. Also, you got reagents. That's a perfect capital for svart: 2 corn, 5 forests (the rest you can bloom, 5 is plenty for getting to guardian - especially when you have 2 corn and reagents. You know what I got? 1 fish, 1 silk in forest and not a single flat tile without forest or coast.

You just have to learn to deal with what's given to you, it's part of the game. Or do you always regenerate the map when the start doesn't suit you?

I don't make fellow players play a start like that (I'm careful what map-types I choose) and if someone gets -1 food in cap 5 minutes into a 20 hours game, I'll restart for them. No reason to invest 10+ hours in a game that the first 5 minutes are so terrible. But I can understand why you did not want to restart. You had a perfect svart start AND you got a mushrooms event before turn 30, basically giving you a completed farm at the beginning of the game.

In fact, 4/6 people got mushrooms while I got -1 in center.

Sorry man, but I'm not playing 10-20 hours of pure PvP just for your entertainment. I have to have some chance of having some fun too. I don't want to just stare at my screen, clicking enter over and over or warrior rushing) with two 4-population cities for 10 hours while you play FFH like a normal game. I was willing to play with that start (remember - no religion), but the event was too much. I was doomed to lose and lose horribly (or warrior rush). I wasn't even strong enough to help someone win a war.

ps. Why don't I warrior rush? Because if I wanted to play with warriors (or axes, for that matter), I could play BTS Gamespy warrior fights all day long any day with 5-10 people per game and requiring 5-10 minutes to get players. I play FFH for the unique aspects of the mod (besides promotions being doubled).

I'd rather not play with any of you ever again than invest 10-20 hours in that start while you all don't give a crap and play great starts. Sorry.

Either make it team vs AI, or make it at least somewhat fair - not perfect start vs worst start and +farm event vs. -1 event.

ps. I play ladder MP BTS and I'm ranked. Don't tell me about regenerating. I can win immortal ffh SP and I don't reload except in MP FFH when hours of time together are at stake and it is not ladder competition. I'm not just like "too bad, play your one tile island for 20 hours or you are a quitter!!" I guess I'm just not hardcore like that, at least, not when it comes to 20 hour MP games of a mod that very few people play. I'd make sure everyone was reasonably happy/willing to play with their start before embarking on such a journey.

And yes, in SP I will play a pure junk start and terrible random event even at the very start... but it doesn't take me 20 hours to lose the game. Besides, way too often I've play horrible starts with people for hours and hours and then when they don't get a good start "Oh, I gotta go... I have to take a friend to the hospital!" At least I'm honest. At least I don't BS you with some excuse to leave.



Now, if you think that is crap, fine. I'll be on hamachi for ffh and playing BTS ladder. See you around.

Multiplayer\Direct IP\Load Game\mushrooms\choose whatever civ you want to look at (you can start MP saves alone). This is turn 30 (autosave every 15), before my horrible event.

Eco mate i didnt make u play anything as you have demonstrated by quiting. U didnt like it - fine u left.

This is not an E-sport, everything isnt fair. Its Civ and adapting is one of the beautys of playing the game. Bar unbalances in the game (which is to be expected as FFH2 isnt finished yet) i absoluelty love the unfairness of it.

You dont wanna have to contemplate warrior rushing?! well dont play the game then. Ive had the rules of this game posted for 2 weeks if u wanted to play u should have red them FFA ANYTHING GOES. Im terribly sorry if u missed this. - no where dose it say if ur land dosen't suit we will restart. You just stick it out, if its really that crap ull be dead pretty fast so u wont be playing 20+ hours.
The map type (although size wasnt) has also been stated so you could have loaded it and cheked it out.

Also what u seem to be missing is James the wise logged into the game 15mins after u'd left AS YOUR CIV (grigori) and becuase he was prepared to warrior rush he is now toping the game. Ur basically saying u didnt like ur start because it forced you to use tactics you dont like. Well tough because as I have alreayd stated ANYTHING GOES.

The idea behind this was just to play a game on normal speed for what it was. Its not tailored so u dont have to use certain tactics.

If ur good at the other sorts of games thats gd for you but dont come into one of our games then tell all of us we r wrong becuase of a crappy rules set/map selection becuase it doesnt suit u or because u failed to read the initial post. Everyone else is enjoying the game even Smusebaer who almost got wiped.

Also theres no way u could know if jameses start in the next game was average - u werent even in the game and to my knowledge there are no screens.

This thread is for the game we r currently playing and i dont want it descending into a flame war. Im sorry u didnt think ud have any fun like the rest of us are.

The thing i don't like about this map is that there are such big distances between players (i can really see the elohim or grigori winning an altar victory) and there are areas which would really suck to settle (full of deserts and peaks).

Did you get any war wearriness by the way? Cuz i had none.

I do like spacious maps its true but this is just on the limit for me, any bigger id be pissd. AFter all i play multiplayer to play others not the barbarians that spawn in the gaps between us. (although orthuises axe is making me happy)
I like deserts and peaks though, more reflective of a real world. I love impassible mountain ranges that have 1-2 paths through them so you can gaurd them with borderd forts and stuff, had one of them in the 2nd game it was awseom. I also like places u can't settle.

Id def be up for playing a closer map next time if everyone wanted, after ive killed u in this one (ull get no tower building from me :-P)

Id love to have seen that war u and arctic faught, the ammount of skeles i heard spawning was nuts.

I'm fine with the map, it's just that i'm probably too used to rushing AI's and the current map setup makes wars need more planning.
As for the war it was nothing spectacular, basically like 2 rams headbutting. At first i didn't think i was gonna make it but Arctic was too cautious or unprepared and i managed to tech poisons.
Next time it's gonna be different :backstab:

:p

Danieleses chek ur pm mate.

To begin with, if anyone knows 'southxii' let him/her know that I didn't see him messing me. And WHENEVER, HOWEVER I have a game up. Anyone is wellcome to jump in as any of the AI's. PM me if I for some reason set a password on the game.

I am really sorry if I somehow got someone angry. But honestly it seems like I can't get out of bed or breath without doing that. So - I've long ago concluded that it isn't my problem.

Danielesis whooped my ass on a small and dirty game, and I might not make it and play this sunday.

By the way. I am strongly of the opinion that some of the most interesting aspects of the game doesn't occur until later in game. And I would wellcome ideas on how to make it more long term. Perhaps a large map with islands? But then it would just be rushes with boats.. hmm. Also Ecofarm. If I am bored, feel I don't have a chance or similar. I'll drop out too. In theory I could code some python that doesn't allow PCs to start war with other PCs until turn X.

Clearly a very early and aggressive playstyle is the key to winning many of these games. But its just that I never play that way.

In FFH winning isn´t everything. most of my war was the time for bargaining to survive. Sure wasn´t pleasent, and probably I won´t be a big player in this game, but i think it is more fun to fight til the end... and who Knows... one Day the King rides again :)
:goodjob:

And if someone stomps your Empire... ally with him... and have a strong teammate.

If you don´t have any fun, ok quit. But sometimes it´s a lot of fun to be the last.

Im pretty shure, that james did a nice victory dance, as he realised, that he got me with my pants down.

Pitty u cant play on sunday arctic, i cant ply the sunday after thats pursponed for 2 weeks :-(

Dose anyone want to play a game tonight ?

Pitty u cant play on sunday arctic, i cant ply the sunday after thats pursponed for 2 weeks :-(

Dose anyone want to play a game tonight ?

I'm on hamachi right now if you want to play, but I have to be in bed by 11pm EST

Arctic, it's all good.

And I'll play this weekend, Saturday or Sunday. I'm actually in town this weekend and would love to play a nice, long game with 10 or 12 (or a lot more) civs.

And I promise this time my internet won't suck.

Hmmm. I might be up for joining in. I'm usualy bored to hell sunday.


Althoguh, TECHNCIALY I only meet 1/3 of the "You need" on the front page ^.^ I assume its all good as...
A, I dont have Vista, I have Windows Sever 2003-which is basically XP server edition, and have almost never had an OOS with my friend Maxastro(whos on XP) in multiplayer-well excepting circumstances directly causing them(We have a tweaked version we use between us... occasionaly those tweaks dont work all that well XD).
B, Although I don't have ADSL. I have cable. Same dif really. Especialy considering my low latancy and 8mbit downstream ^.^ Highspeed is highspeed.

The question is... whats open? Considering it sounds like the game already started... What AI's? XD...

"The Big Game" that we started and continued on sunday wont be continuing this sunday as ai promised all the origional memebrs we'd only continue it when everyone could and arctic can't this weekend

Id be willing to play another game on sunday for a few hours starting at about same time as last weeks one. Ill message u all tomoz.

i'm in. let me know.

If you guys ever get something together at a better time of day, I'd be up for it. 3 AM is a hard time to start Civving.

Use red bull :-P or a very large cup of coffe.

K guys - this sunday, not sure if we will save it or not. I Pm'd ya the details
Game this sunday - Pangea (probably)
Teams:
Horadrim - Grigori
Danielseses - Balsephrals
Southxii - Joslafar
James the Wise - Sheam

Ill be up for it on Sun.

Does anyone else agree that FfH2 deserves its own Multiplayer sub-forum.

It would make organizing these games much easier for everyone and would allow much more multiplayer discussion ?

Petition time ?

Someone please do an AAR. The normal ones are so fun to read and if there are more than one human player involved then jummy :D

Whts an AAR ? If thats something to do with recording the game id love to do it but i dont know how to to do it.

Also i second a multiplayer forum.
James if ur playing what team do you want ??

I'm up for Sunday as well. I'd like to play the Balseraphs.
An AAR is an After Action Report, it involves someone "narrating" the game. Might be a bit harder to do since there's 6 of us and the one writing it should know everything that went on during play. But if there's someone with some writing talent among us (I'm not unfortunately) I would like to see one too.

I can be a decent writing, but The Big Game is not interesting from my perspective ;)

Why's that? You're second in score from what i remember. But yeah, everybody should probably tell you what happened to them after a session is over for you to be able to write a decent story.

I can be a decent writing

Oh really? :p I'm just kidding, I'm sure you could do a good job :)

Ye big game isnt very interesting from mine and mornis perspective weve seen no action so far. The pangea game should remedy that :-P

Morni u playin this sunday?

Why's that? You're second in score from what i remember. But yeah, everybody should probably tell you what happened to them after a session is over for you to be able to write a decent story.



Oh really? :p I'm just kidding, I'm sure you could do a good job :)
Cause I have no idea what's going on in the rest of the world. And seems my brain kinda shut down while writing that :confused:

EDIT: Oh, and don't really feel up to a new game, but if we're continuing then yea, I'll be playing.

Hm, nm. Ignore. Silly randomness already... >.<

Soz morni we cant continue last weeks as i promised all the origional members of that game wed play when all were available. As arctic isnt we cant. If ur worried about the big period of inaction that occured for u and me last week i can assure u on pangea that will be avoided.

Rogue Thunder you playing? Wanta team reserved?

Also southxii i dont think it will be 10-12 civs that would take too long. If we get 6 human players on a pangea that will be gd fun.

Whatever y'all want. I just enjoy playing against as many civs as possible. More opportunities for alliances and quick double crosses. Mwa ha ha.

Servers up

EDIT: Well servers been up bout an hour and a half now and no ones showed up so i guesse uve all changed ur minds. PM me next time u do that plz so i dont sit at the comp like a lemon for an hour with the server up when i could be enjoying the sun.
I wont be able to play next sunday but id be up for continuing the big game after that if u guys are all up for it

Servers up

EDIT: Well servers been up bout an hour and a half now and no ones showed up so i guesse uve all changed ur minds. PM me next time u do that plz so i dont sit at the comp like a lemon for an hour with the server up when i could be enjoying the sun.
I wont be able to play next sunday but id be up for continuing the big game after that if u guys are all up for it

Grumpy!:scan:

Sorry y'all. I apologize. Work intervened.

Well, I am back. And I am home the whole week, the weather is 'SUCK' until wednesday and you can PM me for a game if you want one.

Mmm .. I overslept. Is this still going on?

We playing a game anytime soon?