Rise of Mankind 2: Colonization

It is year 1500. News about New World has spread throughout the Europe. All major nations are rushing to the new continents to claim the lands and riches as theirs. But that won't be easy task as Native American tribes already occupy large areas and won't let go of their lands without fight!

Some pics from the empty map file:

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This scenario has 12 preset Civilizations:

Native American (or Sioux)
Aztec Empire
Iroquois Empire
Maya Empire
England Empire
Celts (Ireland) Empire
French Empire
Spanish Empire
Viking Empire
Dutch Empire
Incan Empire
Portuguese Empire


All Civilizations are playable, native american nations start with several cities and European Civilizations start with ships filled with troops, missionaries and colonists. All Civilizations has been placed to their historical locations as it was around year 1500. I've also tried to give historically accurate techs and civics for each Civilization.

Other conditions:

Starts at year 1500
Max turns 2200
Map Size Huge, 58x72: includes North and South Americas and Caribian Islands
Raging Barbarians
Turns advance in seasons
Victory conditions: Time, Conquest, Domination, Cultural, Religious

Player can set most options if you don't want to use the default ones.

I have not tested yet how the game progress in this scenario - it has taken some time to just make it. So consider this initial release as beta version.

This scenario requires:

Rise of Mankind 2.2 (might work on previous version too)
Lt. Bob's 40 Civ v5.0 DLL (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=234779)

Unzip the map to '..\Mods\Rise of Mankind\PublicMaps\' -folder. You may have to create PublicMaps folder if it's not there.

When starting game, click Single Player, then Custom Scenario and select the map from list.

Download scenario (http://forums.civfanatics.com/downloads.php?do=file&id=9964)

Quite a nice scenario Zappara :goodjob:

I started as England and things seem to go well so far. Natives have advantageous start but I think they won't be any challenge otherwise. I haven't got the whole map revealed yet and I hate to look through world builder so I wonder if there is any horses on the map. I know historically horses came along with Europeans but soon after there was plenty of them. I guess for game play at least some should be there.

For the moment there are no horses on the map - at least I think I left them out. Wasn't sure how to add them and where. Might have to add few of them since cavalries were used a lot. I was first thinking to place european civs to certain spots and give them start city and horses could have been added on those spots but then I thought it's better to allow player choose where he settles so I made Europeans to start with ships.

Well, I guess a mix of the two approaches for placing European Civs can be nice. I mean you can give each a starting city on coast with a horses resource, and a Galleon for settling another spot. Natives however shouldn't be left completely without horses as this wouldn't be fair or historically accurate. If accuracy is what you seek then maybe Maya, Inca, and Aztec should have no horses while the tribes of northern America should have them. You might manipulate the techs you give them so they will need some time before being able to train strong mounted units. The northern natives should generally be less advanced than the southern ones. They out-live them as independent societies because they mainly had vast areas of lands to retreat into which took a lot of time to be conquered.

If accuracy is what you seek then maybe Maya, Inca, and Aztec should have no horses while the tribes of northern America should have them.

Modern Horses did not exist anywhere in the Americas prior to their introduction by the Spanish conquistadors & colonizers, so North American tribes wouldn't have them either, and didn't get them until the mid 1600's when the Spanish were colonizing the southwestern US. They would obtain them after the maya/aztec groups not before. If you want historical accuracy you should tie the spread of horses & the spontaneous appearance of horse resources to pre-scheduled events.

What need to be done with psyringes DLL?

Is there a Readme that tells how/where to use/place it?

This could be a precursor to the Upcoming Colonization release! :D :cool:

JosEPh

I could place horses to various spots on both continents that aren't owned yet by anyone at the start of the scenario. Natives anyway start without any Horse technologies so even if they get access to those resources, it would take some years before they could actually build the units because they have to research the techs. Europeans do have the required techs so they could build these units upon gaining access to the resource (some horses to east coast areas?) -> this kind of would simulate how horses arrived to these continents.


@JosEPh_II

Put the DLL to 'Rise of Mankind\Assets' folder.

Modern Horses did not exist anywhere in the Americas prior to their introduction by the Spanish conquistadors & colonizers, so North American tribes wouldn't have them either, and didn't get them until the mid 1600's when the Spanish were colonizing the southwestern US. They would obtain them after the maya/aztec groups not before. If you want historical accuracy you should tie the spread of horses & the spontaneous appearance of horse resources to pre-scheduled events.

I am aware of that. What I meant is that historically natives of central and south America were run-over by the Spaniards so quickly that they never have the chance to use horses. The tribes of north America had the chance to put horses to good use.

Considering events, I am not an expert of modding them but if there is a way to make an event triggered only in the scenario and not in random maps then many events can spice-up this scenario. Spawning horses based on some conditions would indeed be a nice addition. Also some interaction with home land and receiving some immigrants would make things more dynamic.

Hi all,
i try to install new dll but i have a crash on desktop. Whitout it the mod loads fine.

Do you have any idea?

I have installed RoM 2.2 + New Civ 1.1

Considering events, I am not an expert of modding them but if there is a way to make an event triggered only in the scenario and not in random maps then many events can spice-up this scenario. Spawning horses based on some conditions would indeed be a nice addition. Also some interaction with home land and receiving some immigrants would make things more dynamic.If there was way to check in python what scenario is in use, then I guess it would be possible to add scenario specific events to RoM. I'm currently working on event patch for RoM (9 added+tested now). General event of horses spreading to various locations could be made even to RoM and it would then work in scenarios as well. General colonialism events could be as well to happen during renaissance era - just need to think of ways how they seem to fit in regular RoM game as well. One that I can think of is getting "converted natives/barbarians" to join your empire if your city is under influence of some religion and has temple/monastery - even if there wasn't any barbarians left, this could happen still because even now on Earth there are many native tribes living in jungles and some of them "convert" to "civilized world".

But if want to make lots of scenario specific events, I think whole mod would have to be tweaked for that scenario.

By the way, I had started making this scenario before Firaxis had announced their Civ4:Colonization game - had to rush and finish this scenario before that game is released :lol:

Hi all,
i try to install new dll but i have a crash on desktop. Whitout it the mod loads fine.

Do you have any idea?

I have installed RoM 2.2 + New Civ 1.1
Hmm, I have also Solver's unofficial patch (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=279724) installed to my BtS 3.17. Psyringe's DLL zip doesn't contain some of the python/xml files that are included in Solver's patch even though Psyringe's DLL has Solver's DLL changes included.

Excuse me, i reinstalled all whith all path and now it works, i don't know why yesterday it didn't works

Thanks a lot

Great Scenario! :cool:

Ah the memories!

But,.... I do have a suggestion. The barbarians only put out warriors and so are easy pushovers. Give them Archers, spearmen, and axemen at least to start.

I also have 2 barb cities that have violated the 3 tile separation for cities.

As the English by 1574 I've wiped out the Iriquios and Montezuma is fading fast. He was one of the Native leaders but I intervened over his attempt to take out Sitting Bull.;)

Jao is sitting in Brazil doing nothing.

Louis is well.....he shows up in the list of active AI but I've yet to find his Lone city. And I have explored all of North and South America.

Ragnor is still defending his lone city with longbow. If I didn't have him shielded from Monty he would've be toast too.

But even with all that, it's so cool!

JosEPh :D

Update: 1600AD

Montezuma is gone now too. Ragnor finally has a 2nd city on a piece of upper Maine that I left open.

Incans are slowly spreading into S. America. Jao finally has 2 cities there too as do I. Boudica has a city in the Ghanas region. Pacal controls most of Central America and part of the Southwest/Baja region.

No horses as a resource seen yet. I did get an Event that gave me 6 Templar Knights and spelled the doom of the Iriquois.

As the English I control the whole Eastern seaboard and Gulf of America up to midwest/chicago area. Texas and N. Mexico are also under my control.

Barbarians are fielding Frigates, seas ( good) , but still mostly warriors, land (bad).

At this Date almost all barb cities are gone, only far NW america has any left.

Spain occupies Cuba and 1 other island but are ranked only 6th.

I rank #1
Capac #2
Pacal#3
Boudica#4
Sittingbull #5
Isabella#6
Jao, Ragnar, Louis, and ? bring up the rear.
Monty and Doney are history.

Making Military Units and city defences top priorities so far.

JosEPh :)

@JosEPh_II

Sounds like you're not conquering those continents too fast ie. setting turn calendar to seasons was good choice. :) I was wondering if I should set it to month turns or to season turns. How's the technologies advancing with these turn settings?

I think I'll add some horses to the map and give barbarians access to some better units (archer, horseman). Also I've noticed that AI players don't always settle their first cities as soon as possible, they just explore some coast areas first and then settle. It's good to keep scenario somewhat random but at the same time it does slow down AI players bit, so not sure how to edit them.

Yes turns as seasons is working fine.

I actually reported the wrong Dates :p , (1546AD when Iriquois conquered, 1556AD Montezuma conquered). Current game date is 1564AD Fall.

There is still plenty of land left in S. America. Hyuan is claiming the mineral rich western coast line now. My S.A. cities are growing slowly it seems but that's just really getting used to marathon game speed.

I think Louis lost his settler early. He's still listed as active but I just can't find him.

I got 2 Galleons to start the game and 1 caravel. So I had 2 settlers. I got lucky and out of a goody hut got a 3rd settler. :D

Then I conquered 2 barb cities in the 1st 20 turns. So I had 5 cities by then. Of course Colonists take longer to build so that began to slow down my expansion. I finished Replaceable parts several turns back and so it's now Pioneers.

Since I protected Sitting Bull he now has a large number of cities, but they are not that big and he's behind Pacal, Hyuan, and the former Monty in unit progression. They all have Macemen. Pacal now has Musketmen since I traded him sulfur for gold, potatoes, and silk plus 8 gold per turn. Pacal will probably be my next target for the Natives. While Ragnor is just wasting space I could put to better use than he's doing. Sitting Bulls is mostly Dog Soldiers , Archers, and catapults. He's kinda backwards there. I could take him out rather easily, but I'm saving him for later. :)

As for the map, there is at least one river in New England that ends in a 1 tile lake, 1 tile from the ocean. Was this intentional, or an oversight?

Shifting the map eastward to allow Alaska would add more land mass too. Just a suggestion.

It's really too bad CIV does not allow mining in Mountains. I know they are supposed to be impassable but......still later techs could allow tunnels for Travel and mining.

As for tech advances: my 1st tech was originally listed a 200+ turn to completion. But as I got the 2nd and 3rd cities established it began to start dropping. Now techs range from 12-15 turns to 30+. As I've been concentrating on unit building any tech that boost production is what I've focused on until I got the English Stock exchange. Money was always in the red until just a few turns back when I got most cities courthouses and jewelry/bazaar's built. Now I've finally turned the corner on finances. (crosses fingers on that one) Up till now selling lower level tech was what produced my revenue stream.

Main land units are Grenadiers, Cannon, Musketmen and now Redcoats. Seafaring are Galleon and Frigates.

I also have Christianity as State religion but have founded Islam and conguered The Greek one (name just faded away) :/. I think Monty has one too but as I'm sending Christian Missionaries to every city It's not much of a concern at the moment.

Watermills dominate over Farms and Lumbermills at the current level of tech.

Ironworks is completed, along with Treasury. I've kind of been forced to leave wonderbuilding alone for the most part. But that is slowly changing as my city numbers increase. Chicago is actually out producing Jamestown (1st city founded) now. Monty's former capital will soon start picking up speed too. It dropped to a pop of 7 before I got it stabilized. I pillaged every tile around it to keep his unit production at a crawl.

Overall out of a 1-10 ranking I give it a 7+ for a 1st attempt.

Thanks for making it zappara! :thumbsup: :cool:

JosEPh :D

Where are the dutch??:confused::confused:

Otherwise than that this looks like another of Zappa's great works.:goodjob:

Where are the dutch??:confused::confused:

Otherwise than that this looks like another of Zappa's great works.:goodjob:Dutch are there, just tested it myself. They start on north coast of South America.

Hummmm....

Maybe that is William in the Ghanas instead of Boudica. But their colors are the same.

He is like Louis, doing nothing really. Both are dead last in pts and their research takes thousands of turns. Bad starting positions if I were to take a quess as to reason why.

It's Spring 1574.

Got drug into another war by befriending Sitting Bull again. This time it's Capac. Will be a longer war than Monty's as he has Arbisomethingorother, the early musket man.

Does every Euro power start with 2 settlers? Or just the one the player picks?

Takes 17 turns to build a Poineer. Seems like forever. :p ;)

Didn't want to quit last night, but had to work today.

It is fun! :D

JosEPh

If there was way to check in python what scenario is in use, then I guess it would be possible to add scenario specific events to RoM. I'm currently working on event patch for RoM (9 added+tested now). General event of horses spreading to various locations could be made even to RoM and it would then work in scenarios as well. General colonialism events could be as well to happen during renaissance era - just need to think of ways how they seem to fit in regular RoM game as well. One that I can think of is getting "converted natives/barbarians" to join your empire if your city is under influence of some religion and has temple/monastery - even if there wasn't any barbarians left, this could happen still because even now on Earth there are many native tribes living in jungles and some of them "convert" to "civilized world".

But if want to make lots of scenario specific events, I think whole mod would have to be tweaked for that scenario.

By the way, I had started making this scenario before Firaxis had announced their Civ4:Colonization game - had to rush and finish this scenario before that game is released :lol:

You can most definitely create events that work only in your scenario without too much trouble. You'll need to copy the random event files into your scenario (xml and py files). This will allow you to create events that are triggered after a certain calendar date, and that would give native American civs horse resources. Likewise, random events can trigger "reinforcements" for the European civs (ships, troops, settler, missionaries, etc). Among reinforcements, you can have "supply ships" that can be converted into production hammers when they reach a port, which would help colonies finish big projects (wonders for example).

You can most definitely create events that work only in your scenario without too much trouble. You'll need to copy the random event files into your scenario (xml and py files). This will allow you to create events that are triggered after a certain calendar date, and that would give native American civs horse resources. Likewise, random events can trigger "reinforcements" for the European civs (ships, troops, settler, missionaries, etc). Among reinforcements, you can have "supply ships" that can be converted into production hammers when they reach a port, which would help colonies finish big projects (wonders for example).
Yes, I know that. :) The problem is when player stops playing this colonization scenario and starts normal Rise of Mankind game - with scenario event files included now in the mod files, he would get colonization events and soon he'd be asking here on forum how to fix it. If the mod was purely built just for this specific scenario, adding colonization events would be easy task. There are few ways to blend those colonization events into main mod by making them into more general format - so that they can happen in both normal RoM game and in scenario game.


Now that Kalimakhus's had updated RevolutionDCM addon, this scenario might become even more fun... got to try it soon. :)

Yes, I know that. :) The problem is when player stops playing this colonization scenario and starts normal Rise of Mankind game - with scenario event files included now in the mod files, he would get colonization events and soon he'd be asking here on forum how to fix it. If the mod was purely built just for this specific scenario, adding colonization events would be easy task. There are few ways to blend those colonization events into main mod by making them into more general format - so that they can happen in both normal RoM game and in scenario game.


Now that Kalimakhus's had updated RevolutionDCM addon, this scenario might become even more fun... got to try it soon. :)

Yes, I forgot about the mod-mod part... Would it be possible to include a feature on the map that would not normally be available in the original mod itself -- then use that feature as one of the conditions to trigger the event?

Apparently this scenario doesn't work with RevolutionDCM addon enabled. You'll get "you have been defeated" message on the first turn which probably is caused by some revolution mod's victory condition check.

The "You have been defeated" message is received usually when the number of civs in the scenario doesn't match the one in the DLL. RevDCM DLL supports 34 civs if this is the number of players (active+non-active) in the scenario file then it should work. BTW Revolution doesn't add any new victory conditions.

Edit: I made a quick trial. Unfortunately adjusting the number of civs doesn't seem to get the scenario to work with RevDCM. :sad:

1624 spring, whippets are starting to roll thru S. America. Jeeps are good recon but Capac's Grenadiers are a match for them.

The only unit left to Louis is a galleon in Isabella's Madrid on the Cuba Isle. William is there too but with 3 land units and no seafaring vessel to transport his last settler to another land mass. So they are really both just confetti and Isabella will dipose of them in due time.

Jao is a vassal,..... little weasel always wants to trade fish (I have 7) for ammunition or steel. Very annoying, wish I had turned Vassalage off.

Sitting Bull is on the NW Canadien Reservation now.

Pacal has lost his capital to me and about 5 other cities.

Consolidated central Brazil (Jao has the eastern seaboard) and making a push into the Andes against Capac from the tip of S. America.

I control the seas with early destroyers and battlecruisers against frigates and galleons mostly.

Have early fighters but more importantly Airports. Dropping those whippets, Jeeps and artillery into the captured cities of Capac and Pacal sustain the push against both.

Ragnar is gone, he had a fine capital in Newfoundland.

Boudica has 2 islands and the Ghana city still.

The scenario is almost over.

JosEPh :)

I have spent about an hour a night for the last three trying to get this scenario working.

I have v 2.2 of RoM and have put the 40 civ .dll in both the mod's asset folder and the BTS asset folder.

I still get the instant "you have been defeated." Tried several "reinstalls" of each component. What else can I try?

I never used the 40 CIV .dll.

Just RoM 2.2 with Solver's 0.19 UOP.

Nor do I have Revolutions/DCM add-ons. Straight RoM if you please with no chasers. ;)

JosEPh