hello everyone!

If you are a fan of my Barack Obama Leaderhead (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=268582), then you might have heard that there are several people who would like to see a John McCain Leaderhead ;)

So that's what this piece of artwork is, the Republican 2008 candidate for president.
With all due respect, this artwork is not an endorsement politically.

please give me credit if you use him in your mod, and enjoy voting!

download (http://forums.civfanatics.com/downloads.php?do=file&id=9968)

http://forums.civfanatics.com/downloads/mccain_4z1.jpg

nice. i think the jaw is a bit off, but i'm not complaining i know how hard a photo-realistic leaderhead can be (my reagan is still in blender purgatory)

Hmmm... where should I start... :groucho:

Nice one.

OK let me start flame war :p

Don't vote for him - He'll start WW3 :cowboy:

:rotfl:

He has that innocent babyface look. Like the young Pol Pot :p

How about a presidential elections mod ?

thanks guys! (i guess your comment is a complement wolf ;) )

yeah, this one was a quick and easy job as there wasnt much to change on the sid leaderhead.

one thing: if you make him mad, he wont move at all and just stare at you rigidly :D

:rotfl:

He has that innocent babyface look. Like the young Pol Pot :p

How about a presidential elections mod ?

sounds like you are volunteering to make it :D

It would be a fun mod!!

one thing: if you make him mad, he wont move at all and just stare at you rigidly :DYes, Sid does not have a full set of animations :(

It looks like they intended him to be advisor or something but (Thankfully :please:) they dropped it.

sounds like you are volunteering to make it :D

It would be a fun mod!!I unfortunately dont have time for more projects. But maybe someone else will.

Sid appears in tutorial :) He don't need to be angry :D

I played two years ago strongly satyrical mod for vanilla with parliament elections in Poland - the civs (parties) had even own unique units - for example catho-/'right wing'-ultras had 'moherowe berety' unit http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohair_berets :lol:

Nice one, GarretSidzaka! Looks pretty good and a nice complement to Obama.:goodjob:

Ha, awesome! The polo shirt just seems to fit doesn't it?

Ha, awesome! The polo shirt just seems to fit doesn't it?

pyjamas would be better ;)

http://www.praguepost.com/articles/photos/2008-02-27/fs_5415-Caribou_6_pyjamas_Jason-Eva.jpg

Nice work! :goodjob:

pyjamas would be better ;)

http://www.praguepost.com/articles/photos/2008-02-27/fs_5415-Caribou_6_pyjamas_Jason-Eva.jpg

what a wierd picture asio!!!

This is amazing, much more detailed than Barack Obama! Maybe you could apply some of your McCain techniques onto Obama to make him look more detailed.

Now we need somebody to give these two territories and create a military-based version of the 2008 electoral map. It would be so true, yet so twisted, and so perfect for Civ.

Very nice one.

Equuleus would like me to ask you if you will make a Mike Gravel leaderhead. :)

Of course... to me that shirt doesn't look right... I'd rather see McCain in a suit.

With all due respect, this artwork is not an endorsement politically.

I think that was rather clear by the fact that you have him in plain clothes rather than a more Presidential suit ;)

That doesn't mean we shouldn't put him in a presidential suit.

Hell, people don't support Hitler but you don't see LHs of him in their drawers.

This is amazing, much more detailed than Barack Obama! Maybe you could apply some of your McCain techniques onto Obama to make him look more detailed.

this leaderhead happened to be alot easier to make than obama. obama took me a couple of days, while this one took only 4 hours :)
i had to do little work on the model to make mccain, and the skinning was fairly easy too.

mccain has distinctive features on his face, which made him very recognizable i think.

I think that was rather clear by the fact that you have him in plain clothes rather than a more Presidential suit ;)

no that was just pure laziness :p

Can't believe you could make a Leaderhead for such a crappy nominee for the GOP! He's a moron who is going to destroy this country!!!



PS - This is just for all the post for the Obama leaderhead. I had alot more written, but toned it down.:p

PSS - I don't think you made his jowls big enough.

This is awesome nice work...but I agree with MadmanOfALeader...why not have him in a suit?

i didnt want to spend too much time on mccain. and i saw him wearing a red shirt here
http://www.observer.com/files/imagecache/article/files/mccain_web2.jpg

I just have one more request...

I need Obama and McCain's Leaderhead Infos.

I just have one more request...

I need Obama and McCain's Leaderhead Infos.
The LH infos are whatever you want them to be with little more then a name change or two in the top four lines.

Copy a LH info for whoever you think is appropriate.

For example, I copied Mao Tse-Tung's LH info to use with Obama.

http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k3/Wolfshanze/Misc/ComradeObama.png

(Pacal might be good for McCain).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8MnZK4z1Y4g

Hmmm, I can't download.

Hmmm, I can't download.

ooops! link fixed!! :)

That's a great looking leaderhead, Garret. Good work :goodjob:

Thanks!!! :D

Great! Now wathever will go the elections in U.S.A. we have our choice between the 2 candidates ;)

:rotfl: LOL

You could just make a culture scenario with states being either red or blue and in different amounts based on polls (go to http://www.electoral-vote.com/ for day-to-day polls) and make culture flipping much, much easier. Make it a cultural victory based on the number of states you need (270 cultural points wins maybe with each state have the normal amount of EVs)

LOL that would be perfect :goodjob:

garret when you paint the faces is it a cut and paste job or do you clone brush it or something else?

Very nice! tnx!!:mischief::goodjob:....saw him wearing a red shirt herehhaha I couldnt find one. Have to admit the red shirt looks good but if he wins the election you have to put him in a suit :yeah::) esp since you said how easy the skinning was;)

Or like this: http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/4861/johnmccainpresidentib9.jpg (http://img255.imageshack.us/my.php?image=johnmccainpresidentib9.jpg):lol:
I just have one more request...

I need Obama and McCain's Leaderhead Infos.

I agree with WolfShanze that Pacal is close, and Ragnar is close too.(I like AGG for him{x2 speed for barracks})
Ragnar w a couple of changes:<FavoriteCivic>BUREAUCRACY</FavoriteCivic>
<FavoriteReligion>CHRISTIANITY</FavoriteReligion>
<Traits>
<Trait>
<TraitType>TRAIT_FINANCIAL</TraitType>
<bTrait>1</bTrait>
</Trait>
<Trait>
<TraitType>TRAIT_AGGRESSIVE</TraitType>
<bTrait>1</bTrait>
</Trait>
</Traits>
<Flavors>
<Flavor>
<FlavorType>FLAVOR_MILITARY</FlavorType>
<iFlavor>10</iFlavor>
</Flavor>
</Flavors>

garret when you paint the faces is it a cut and paste job or do you clone brush it or something else?

it is alot of cut and paste for the items immediately recognizable like eyes nose and mouth. then i get into smoothing and the very difficult part of coloring parts of the face where there was no texture to peel from, like the cheeks ears and neck. then it comes down to clever coloring and smoothing.

Very nice! tnx!!:mischief::goodjob:.hhaha I couldnt find one. Have to admit the red shirt looks good but if he wins the election you have to put him in a suit :yeah::) esp since you said how easy the skinning was;)

Or like this: http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/4861/johnmccainpresidentib9.jpg (http://img255.imageshack.us/my.php?image=johnmccainpresidentib9.jpg):lol:


LOL that picture is amazing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Or like this :D

http://z.about.com/d/politicalhumor/1/7/a/w/1/queen_john_mccain.jpg

http://www.funpicsfree.com/photogallery/johnmccain/johnmccain2.gif

wow. that is disturbing.

thank you asioasioasio those were very funny and very needed for this official mccain thread!!!

Or like this :D

http://z.about.com/d/politicalhumor/1/7/a/w/1/queen_john_mccain.jpg

http://www.funpicsfree.com/photogallery/johnmccain/johnmccain2.gif

I think Mr McCain is funny enough as is. Ofcourse, the fun will end if he gets elected. (He looks just like the guy nextdoor. Question is: would you like the guy nextdoor to be president of the US?):mischief:

hey he has been in charge of Arizona as senator for some time, and this state is full of economic scandal and human rights violations.

As I said: your regular guy nextdoor.

If you do change his shirt be sure to include a Flag pin.

I just got an idea... what if we made Boudica blond?
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/dd/Hillary_Rodham_Clinton.jpg/220px-Hillary_Rodham_Clinton.jpg

I just got an idea... what if we made Boudica blond?
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/dd/Hillary_Rodham_Clinton.jpg/220px-Hillary_Rodham_Clinton.jpg

since shes out i vetoed her. its probly really hard to do a woman good with this method.

oh god!

Hilldog!

since shes out i vetoed her. its probly really hard to do a woman good with this method.

Awww. I want Hillary. :( Please??? :please:

The face looks just like him, but I'd like to third or fourth or whatever putting him in a suit. I need him for World 2008, and it's just not right to have him in a t-shirt.

Awww. I want Hillary. :( Please??? :please:

Post a LH request.;)

As I said: your regular guy nextdoor.

Tax evasion and hitting the kids nextdoor? :mischief:

This LH doesn't look old enough, maybe tack another twenty years on. It's main characteristic should be flip flopper. McCain has flipped on everthing, Bush's tax cuts, Ethanol, Iraq troop withdrawal, his support of Pastor Hagee and the other religious nuts, global warming, immigration, the list goes on and on. What does he really stand for? He'll say anything to win. Hopefully this hypothetical LH gets forgotten come November.

Mccain and Obama have a new trait called Flip-flop which randomly changes their traits ingame!

Mccain and Obama have a new trait called Flip-flop which randomly changes their traits ingame!
Amen to that... both losers do whatever is political expediency... they both make me sick.

Maybe a walking stick or a stroller will be fine for this particular LH.

I heard on Mock the Week (TV show over here) that he can't actually raise his arms above head height.
a) Is there any truth in that?, and
b) If it's true, do his animations go above his head?

Yes, that's true. Because he was tortured in Vietnam, he can no longer raise his hands to head height.

It annoys me (but doesn't affect me, considering where I live) that Vietnam counts for Mccain but didn't for Kerry

doesn't look old enough

It looks just like him, but he does look young compared to post #25.
Mccain and Obama have a new trait called Flip-flop...

Safe to say ORG is not one of their traits so far...

It annoys me (but doesn't affect me, considering where I live) that Vietnam counts for Mccain but didn't for Kerry

That is the smartest thing I have heard in this entire thread. Kerry even earned three purple hearts and a silver star!

Yeah, but the republicans hired some of Kerry's fellow vets to say Kerry lied to get his medals, swiftboating him. I doubt the Obama campaign would ever stoop so low. The same people said McCain had an illegitimate black baby, so maybe McCain will keep this election a bit cleaner. By the way, maybe Obama has flipped on some of his particular stances on a few issues, but I still can't even figure out if McCain is really a liberal or a conservative.

who knows!

Don't vote on McCain!
Remember what Europe was talking about Bush? We twice warn you about how bad choice it'll be (Not offense but we talk here: "Fool me once - you're smart. Fool me twice - I'm an idiot". Why you choosed Bush for another 4 years? :) ).

Now Europe warns you again - don't vote on mc cain :). Cold war finished 20 years ago :) - you don't need another cold war leader :)

Don't vote on McCain!
Remember what Europe was talking about Bush? We twice warn you about how bad choice it'll be (Not offense but we talk here: "Fool me once - you're smart. Fool me twice - I'm an idiot". Why you choosed Bush for another 4 years? :) ).

Now Europe warns you again - don't vote on mc cain :). Cold war finished 20 years ago :) - you don't need another cold war leader :)

Bravo!!! :clap:

thank you asio for that astute analysis

I believe the correct phrase there is: "Fool me once - Shame on.... shame on you... ... you fool me, you can't get fooled again". Yeah. Take THAT.

No. It's : Fool me once, shame on.....you. Fool me twice...yeah...............um................I won't get fooled again.

I'm gonna miss Bush's "unique" speaking style.

...choosed Bush for another 4 years? :)

Right!!

All: I need a history lesson: how many "bad presidents" served a 2nd term?? Granted the race(s) was/were close, GW obvi had many, many votes.

As I've mentioned before most post-Eisenhower presidents get elected by a minority of the adult population; for decades now only about 50% of possible voters for presidential elections actually do.

No. It's : Fool me once, shame on.....you. Fool me twice...yeah...............um................I won't get fooled again.

I'm gonna miss Bush's "unique" speaking style.

He should get his own show on Fox News.

He should get his own show on Fox News.

i second this. it could be called the Bush Show, or better yet, he could be the successor to bill oreilly

Or he could be the successor to Hannity and Colmes along with Dick Cheney.

The show would be called "Dick and Bush". *immature snicker*

Or he could be the successor to Hannity and Colmes along with Dick Cheney.

The show would be called "Dick and Bush". *immature snicker*

that is the funniest sh*t yet right there :rotfl:

I guess you're not that mature either. :lol:

just a kid at heart bro, you know me

Amen to that... both losers do whatever is political expediency... they both make me sick. Me too but McCain is better than Obama by a long shot! McCain is the most Liberal Republican ever and Obama is the most Liberal Democrat ever! Anyone would be better then them! Obama is a Racist if you ask me! At least his "Spiritual Adviser" is! They're so full of hate against America it isn't even funny they will ruin this country! Free health care sucks here's why: 1 When people have free healthcare they go to the doctor for the stupidest reason just 'cuase it's free! Canada and England are excellent examples of this there are like 8 month waiting lists to go to the hospital! Just 'cause it's free doesn't mean it's better!
2 Being it is Government paid they take advantage of it by raising prices therefore your taxes go up and therefore more strain on the Economy! This is just 1 thing let me talk about higher taxes on wealthy ppl!
Wealthy ppl don't just put there money in a safe under there bed They invest it in the Economy! When money is invested in the Economy the Economy booms bringing prices down! If they are taxed more they have less to invest and the Middle Class ppl don't invest much in the Economy so the Economy drops and prices go up! So do your lower taxes really help you?
These are only a couple things if you want I could carry on all night! Now what do you think about Obama Bin Ladin???

Right!!

All: I need a history lesson: how many "bad presidents" served a 2nd term?? Granted the race(s) was/were close, GW obvi had many, many votes. To name 1 Bill Clinton probably the worst do nothing President in world history! And I'd put Bush in the top 10!

Me too but McCain is better than Obama by a long shot! McCain is the most Liberal Republican ever

you must be joking, McCain is as liberal as Bush, he just talks differently (but acts and votes the same).

I won't even comment on the crap you posted after that, it is so ridiculous, it speaks for itself.

From what you said there Navy Seal I'm gonna take a wild shot and guess that you're not from the Middle Class.

Guess again moopoo! And mamba if Obama gets elected you'll see what I said was true! Face the facts!

Guess again moopoo! And mamba if Obama gets elected you'll see what I said was true! Face the facts!

What will be true ? That he will probably raise taxes for the rich ? He better do so ;)

That this will be a downturn for the economy as they invest a lot more than the middle class ? that is just pure and utter nonsense

Oh, and I certainly do hope he gets elected, it is time that the Bush-gang (Bush, Rove et all - and yes, McCain) is finally thrown out of the office for good, hopefully to never return again.

I'll grant that your theory on upper-class investment seems valid enough (I really don't have the education in that area to know if it actually is valid), so I'll let you score on that one. You'll never convince me, however, that healthcare should given based on whether you earn enough. By my reckoning that violates some fairly basic human rights, and simply isn't good enough in the world, let alone a country as wealthy as America (or Australia for that matter, although from what I here our healthcare kicks your healthcare's butt :))

Well moopoo I took a Economics class in 12th grade, and I have to agree with navy, so you have it from a semi-authority. Also, navy did pretty good on the economy, but I feel there is also another reason why high taxes for the rich makes little or no-sense (this may be too deep for some, lol). Who pays your salary? The bum on the street or the guy who has 50 million bucks? Who makes the stuff that you buy (Civ4 for example)? The bum on the street or the guy with 50 million bucks? The answers are easy, the guy with 50 million bucks! Now another question, how does the guy with 50 million bucks pay taxes? The answer here is also obvious, with the profits he makes on the stuff you buy! Raise the taxes what is the guy with 50 million bucks gona do? Raise prices to cover the lose! And if he can't raise prices because of competition or a government price cap (I'm not against all caps) he lower the wages he pays! Oh, and when the government raises the minimum wage he will just go out of business while he still has something!

Now regarding the candidates, I hate McCain, and I absolutely hate Obama! I'm voting McCain just because Obama is 100000000 times worse. And I don't really like Bush, I hate the Clintons, and I wish RL was like Civ and leaders never died, then we could have Washington, Lincoln, Theodor Roosevelt, or Reagan again!

Now about the leader head. It is a fairly good model, you can defiantly tell who it is. :thumbsup:


Wana continue this, start a thread in ot and give me a link.

I love that little tirades in this these political threads. Zebra's hate list is great, but I just have to ask, "Can you imagine how much trouble we would get in these days if Teddy were president? If people dislike Bush's foreign policy...."

Well moopoo I took a Economics class in 12th grade, and I have to agree with navy, so you have it from a semi-authority.

well, I had economics as my minor course at the university and I disagree ;)

Who pays your salary? The bum on the street or the guy who has 50 million bucks?

Neither, I get my salary because the work I do is worth paying it to me. Of course the one I work for still gets some money on top of what he pays me for the work I do, so he usually is not a bum.

We are talking salary here, not welfare.

Now another question, how does the guy with 50 million bucks pay taxes? The answer here is also obvious, with the profits he makes on the stuff you buy!

No, from the money he gets from the work I do (and the work he does). He pays taxes on his income, same as I pay on mine. He does not pay taxes on my shopping expenses.

Raise the taxes what is the guy with 50 million bucks gona do? Raise prices to cover the lose! And if he can't raise prices because of competition or a government price cap (I'm not against all caps) he lower the wages he pays!

BS, the first thing you should learn in economics is that cost to manufacture has no relation to price (except that you should not sell at a lower price for a long period of time).

What the guy is supposed to do is pay more taxes, other than that very little will change. With 50 M he probably pays next to no taxes already and has his money on the Bahamas.

Oh, and when the government raises the minimum wage he will just go out of business while he still has something!

Yeah, lower minimum wages, so the guy with 50 M can get 80 M. Wait, wasn't he supposed to lower prices instead ?

That being said, as someone else said "the world never has too many rich people, only too many poor"

you must be joking, McCain is as liberal as Bush, he just talks differently (but acts and votes the same).
I'm sure being from Europe you're overly familiar and very knowledgeable with the US Senator from Arizona's voting record and history. :rolleyes:

Now you're just speaking from stupid bias against all things with a "Republican" tag on it, no matter how many times McCain has teamed himself with the most liberal nutcases in the Democratic party (repeatedly) over the years... it's clear you don't know jack-shizzy about McCain or you wouldn't say such ill-informed statements as that.

I'm sure being from Europe you're overly familiar and very knowledgeable with the US Senator from Arizona's voting record and history. :rolleyes:

Probably moreso than 80% of the americans. I do tend to read stuff, even if it is not related to Germany. But of course you would consider my sources either ignorant or biased (as you seem to do with anyone who does not share your view).

Probably moreso than 90% of the americans. I do tend to read stuff, even if it is not related to Germany.
What's your source material... the oh-so-unbiased socialist European news media?

McCain is a closer political buddy of reigning Democratic left-winger Ted Kennedy then he is with George Bush. If you did have good info on McCain that goes back further then the start of his campaign for presidency, you'd know McCain votes with the Democrats on a continuing basis against his own party... of course now that he's the Republican nominee, he instantly gets the "he's just George Bush" junk from the liberal media (including European sources)... truth is, McCain is just another democrat wearing a Republican button.

You have the choice of Democrat Obama or Democrat (with a GOP button) McCain as American President.

Frankly, I hate them both.

(Of course this doesn't stop all the left wingers from claiming (quite incorrectly) that McCain is just like Bush... which is what they say about every Republican, which just goes to show how closed minded the thinking is).

Well hate may be too strong, more like a major dislike for their politics. I think I should note that I do greatly admire all those people I dislike for the fact that they have tried to implement what they feel would make the world a better place.

Wait, I am spamming with you all again! Lets move it else where please.


Real quick!
BS, the first thing you should learn in economics is that cost to manufacture has no relation to price (except that you should not sell at a lower price for a long period of time).I think the BS belongs here not in that quote. They are of GREAT relation to each other! The manufacturer pays for the materials for new products with the money he makes from products he has sold! Therefore they have to be related, otherwise there would be NO reason why we could not sell products for cheaper then it costs to make them!

Thank God for wolf.

But of course you would consider my sources either ignorant or biased (as you seem to do with anyone who does not share your view).

What's your source material... the oh-so-unbiased socialist European news media?

Thanks for proving my point

I think the BS belongs here not in that quote. They are of GREAT relation to each other! The manufacturer pays for the materials for new products with the money he makes from products he has sold! Therefore they have to be related, otherwise there would be NO reason why we could not sell products for cheaper then it costs to make them!

Um, I did say that he should not sell below manufacturing cost for an extended period of time. And that other than that there is no relation between cost and price.

Thank God for wolf.

Yep, he proves that only real nuts vote republicans and you prove that unfortunately there are plenty of those :D

Well sorry you feel that way, and lets cut it out now and leave this poor thread alone! lol


I always do enjoy a good old political discussion.

What's your source material... the oh-so-unbiased socialist European news media?

http://projects.washingtonpost.com/congress/110/senate/party-voters/

He falls squarely in the midst of the republicans, interestingly the democrats get the first 30 or so places.

Well sorry you feel that way, and lets cut it out now and leave this poor thread alone! lol

Actually I do not feel that way, but it looked like a fun remark to me.

Well, I believe that Wolfshanze is a right-wing nut, I do not believe that only those vote republican and you have yet to prove whether you are a nut ;)

Why should I prove I'm a nut? You already think I'm a nut.

Why should I prove I'm a nut? You already think I'm a nut.

I meant I do not yet believe you are a nut. I make my judgment based on your posts, the current ones have not convinced me (proven to me) that you are one. I know too few of them, Wolf however is all over the place, so I have a long track record with him ;)

K, junk SS, MC, WF, and to topper off remove the 2 term limit.


Oh, junk FR, MW, and Lower taxes dramatically.




Key:
SS = Social Security
MC = Medicare
WF = Welfare
FR = Federal reserve
MW = Minimum Wage

What? Junk Medicare? I know people who would die if not for welfare and medicare and social security and the minimum wage! How would making old people, poor people, and the uneducated starve and die help America? I know it sounds like I'm waving the red flag here, but I pose the question: Why junk Social Security, Medicare, welfare, and the minimum wage?

If you removed Social Security it wouldn't happen all at once it would be gradual this way a Retired person gets there normal pension but a 18 year old has time to invest in IRA and other things so they wouldn't get a Pension. That's how I think they would do it.

Want to discuss McCain's policies? Go to OT.

Want to discuss this McCain leaderhead? Use this thread.

Please stay on topic and cut the trolling/flaming.

what's ot?

Off Topic.

I found this on the web

http://www.joeraciti.com/jospels/wp-admin/images/MCCain.jpg

I think it will awsome base for mc cain's angry animations :D (wich as we know he uses sids animation wich is always smilling)

...what if we incorporated someone else's angry animation? Are there any animations that work with Sid?

good question...!

That wasn't tested in the Refar/Ekmek's effort to map LH & anims.

That wasn't tested in the Refar/Ekmek's effort to map LH & anims.

yeah that might make an interesting side project to give sid an angry animation. I have absolutely no idea how to do this.

i wonder if the kfm editor (featured in some modcast episode) would work on leaderheads

What about Paris Hilton as US president? :) I would use it in personal mod :p Maybe turning Boudica into blonde ;)

And then we could speak of the American simple way of life. (http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Simple_Life)

hahahaha you sent us the french wikipedia link! *sigh* I wish I knew french.

I'm pretty sure they tested the animations by creating a mod where they swapped around the art and animations via XML, and then entered the game and went into the civilopedia.

Just put en instead of fr in the URL bar.

I'm so sorry about the english cultural predominancy.

that show sucked ass but at least the girls didn't wear much

that show sucked ass but at least the girls didn't wear much

I've seen Paris Hilton do better work...

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/f9/Parisdvd2.jpg

Just put en instead of fr in the URL bar.

I'm so sorry about the english cultural predominancy.

Yeah, it took me all of 2 seconds to figure that out :p

I'm sorry about the english cultural predominancy too. English speaking Schools assume that we'll only ever need to know english, and ignore every other culture as a result.

I've seen Paris Hilton do better work...

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/f9/Parisdvd2.jpg
She told that she could be president... then why not as Civ4 Leaderhead?
:)

Which lips she said that with ?

Which lips she said that with ?

LOL thats bad :p

With that lips: ;)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3HeealouOeQ

Yeah we want hot president in the Pink House! ;) (I'll even reskin White House by White Rabbit to pink ;) )

Garret please make this LH for civ :)

EDIT

And longer (imo much better than presented in cnn :) )version ;)
http://www.slashfilm.com/2008/08/06/votd-paris-hilton-for-president/

Er, moving back on topic, I've put McCain in a suit for those who wanted it (like me). The file's here (http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?umadvbmpqyu). You'll need to download from the main link first, then extract this over the top.

Way to go, NikNaks!!!:goodjob::clap: He looks great (Not to forget all of GarretSidzaka's hard work:D):yeah::bowdown:

can somebody make an alpha button? (Wolf, you seem to have it mastered)
tnx again NN

EDIT: Credit to Garret & nice touch up by NikNaks.

Here's a button for you. Find it attached.

Sorry... I don't check this thread as often as folks think (but I can make good buttons)...

But on political topics, I think we can all agree...

Let's settle it THIS WAY! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a23albpk99c&feature=dir)

So pretty much according to Sid Meier, John McCain = Ragnar Lodbruk and used to = Huayna Capac.


But Huayna Capac supports Obama :lol:



I love to use the personality traits systems to compare people to leaders. :) I'm Saladin.

Er, moving back on topic, I've put McCain in a suit for those who wanted it (like me). The file's here (http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?umadvbmpqyu). You'll need to download from the main link first, then extract this over the top.

he looks really good bro! :)

Second that.:goodjob:

He resembles McCain almost 100% :) Very excellent work Garrett and NikNak :thumbsup:

Thanks guys :goodjob: Garret did most of the hard work :lol:

Thanks guys :goodjob: Garret did most of the hard work :lol:

he looks really good. did you upload him into the file database? if so i will post him and the pic on the first post :)

Nope, he's attached to the post on page 6. I could make a full download if you like.

This is one is a great improvement over the original. Nice job!

mind if i include this and the Obama LH's in my mod? thnx in advance

Which mod is that? :confused:

Which mod is that? :confused:

a mediocore mod, still really needs work:(, but its coming alongclicky:goodjob:

of course you can use them my friend :) just add us to the credits (me and niknak)

Is it possible to add wrinkles to the neck? Otherwise great likeness!

nice job.
but why would we want a 71 year-old republican?
the republican party screwed us once in 2000, and again in 2004.
why would we make another dumb mistake a third time?

nice job.
but why would we want a 71 year-old republican?
the republican party screwed us once in 2000, and again in 2004.
why would we make another dumb mistake a third time?

. :yup:

In other news: two 70+ billionaires are reportedly worried about America's huge national debt, not because of the one million evictions or the 500,000 unemployed resulting from present economic conditions mind you, no, because it might look bad abroad. (Well, it's always interesting to learn about the worries of 70+ year old billionaires.):mischief:

yeah, well those billionares are a big part of why america is F*cked up

It's Sarah Palin!!
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yeah, well those billionares are a big part of why america is F*cked up
Yes, Billionaires are all the reason why America is ruined and why people lose jobs and the economy sucks... it's all their fault... :rolleyes:

I swear to God, the entire Democratic party is based on "victims" and "blame everyone else" for the woes of society. Did you lose your job? Blame a billionaire... Economic downturn? It's all a corporations fault... hurricane wipe-out your city? George Bush did it!

Also, love the continuation of the back-slapping and head-bobbing of the "you tell them" crowd around here.

Let's go find some more victims so we can blame "the man" about your personal problems.

BTW if you havent figured it out, im not a democrat im a radical leftist

I'd have to agree with the Wolf here (although, as usual, he goes over-the-top): IMO billionaires - or even zillionaires - aren't a problem in need of solving (as far as I'm concerned people can be as rich as they want); I don't really see how individual success relates to national problems (like a gigantic national debt and the persistent mortgage crisis). I also think people can be as radical left or right as they choose: one of the essentials of democracry.

Well, that someone is a billionaire in and of itself is not a problem. But with money comes power and influence. And if billionaires manage to get laws passed which help them but hurt the average person and which bend the whole system in their favor then that is a problem.

imo the US caters too much to the needs / wishes of the few than to the needs of the many in this regard.

Well, that someone is a billionaire in and of itself is not a problem. But with money comes power and influence. And if billionaires manage to get laws passed which help them but hurt the average person and which bend the whole system in their favor then that is a problem.

imo the US caters too much to the needs / wishes of the few than to the needs of the many in this regard.

thank you for helping me out by explaining what the heck i was talking about

A McCain campaign volunteer (who must sign a contract of secrecy) explained how it's expected to write made up letters to newspapers. Just wondering if that sort of fraud is common practice...

Now Europe warns you again - don't vote on mc cain . Cold war finished 20 years ago - you don't need another cold war leader

You don't speak for Europe or all Europeans.

It's Sarah Palin!!

Nah, Sarah Palin is a lot prettier than Boudicea ;)

Nah, Sarah Palin is a lot prettier than Boudicea ;)Yep & I've already seen 'VPILF' being used in the news headlines.:lol:

Isn't Dick Cheney already a VPILF?

Yep & I've already seen 'VPILF' being used in the news headlines.:lol:

yes, arent US headlines profound! :rolleyes:

Seeing as to the high gossip content of the previous posts, I'm surprised no one has picked up on Palin's pregnant-teenage-daughhter-boyfriend-doesn't-want-to-marry-news bit.:p

surprised no one has picked up on Palin's pregnant-teenage-daughhter-boyfriend-doesn't-want-to-marry-news bit.:p

Haha it's nothing. Besides, he will marry, or else... :trouble::lol:

yes, arent US headlines profound! :rolleyes:

The healines & magazines are out of control!!, very misleading. At the rep. convention tonight, it sounds like J Leiberman & other's are going to counter-attack the media:crazyeye::ar15:

Haha it's nothing. Besides, he will marry, or else... :trouble::lol:

Actually, Palin is already keeping a low profile and this sort of thing doesn't agree with conservative voters at all.

Actually, Palin is already keeping a low profile and this sort of thing doesn't agree with conservative voters at all.
Correction, Obama and his communist goonies are what doesn't agree with conservative voters at all.

Maybe if you were conservative, you could speak for them, but since you're not, I wouldn't presume anything.

Actually, I think Palin is more supportive of wealth redistribution seeing that her state takes in much more money from the federal government than it sends to Washington. She also brought home over $27 million in pork when she was the mayor of her 5,000 resident town. Commie, commie, commie!!!

Cheers,
ripple01

Obama's going to cut your taxes, Wolfshanze... Obama supports the free market and is against socialized medicine... McCain will raise your taxes and waste billions of dollars in Iraq...

Correction, Obama and his communist goonies are what doesn't agree with conservative voters at all.

Maybe if you were conservative, you could speak for them, but since you're not, I wouldn't presume anything.

If you ever actually read any of my posts, you'd see I don't presume to speak for conservatives, communists, or whatever strand of political view you care to drag into your insultory comments. I also never defile your background - although you've given plenty of pretext to do so. Otherwise I simply refuse to comment on any of your political posts, as they're devoid of any substance.

don't worry. if wolf makes a direct insult to anyone on any of my threads, im not going to blow up in anger. im just going to report his troll posts.

Notice that neither McCain or BO wear the US Flag pin? No need to adjust the LH's.Obama's going to cut your taxes...Obama supports the free market and is against socialized medicine...Obama will raise taxes on corps & other businessess making everything more expensive, also making it harder for small businesses to survive(without them making prices ridiculous). McCain supports free market as well.McCain will raise your taxes and waste billions of dollars in Iraq...Iraq has $$:commerce::gold: now and we just signed over the most dangerous provice back to them:). We shouldn't be spending a ton over there for much longer. No matter who the President, there will have to be billions spent abroad. The world doesnt seem to be at peace right now..:(:ar15:

Obama will raise taxes on corps & other businessess making everything more expensive, also making it harder for small businesses to survive(without them making prices ridiculous). McCain supports free market as well.Iraq has $$:commerce::gold: now and we just signed over the most dangerous provice back to them:). We shouldn't be spending a ton over there for much longer. No matter who the President, there will have to be billions spent abroad. The world doesnt seem to be at peace right now..:(:ar15:

What Obama or McCain will do remains to be seen. At any rate free market as such is non-existent, except in countries which have no economic regulations - which these days are a rarity. Any presidential candidate professing to support free market is a joke. So I wouldn't assign it as a Trait to either.

As concerns foreign policy, I think McCain, despite his independent voting track record, is bound for a large part by Bush's policies in this area (War on Terror, Iraq, Afghanistan). Whether it's realistic for the US to be policing the world is ofcourse quite another matter.

I don't think McCain's fav civic be Free Mkt... TBDAs concerns foreign policy, I think McCain, despite his independent voting track record, is bound for a large part by Bush's policies in this area (War on Terror, Iraq, Afghanistan).
Good to hear your opinion. A lot of people just take the "...agrees w/ Bush 90% of the time" and run with it. From what I've heard, the truth is that when it comes to our government's decision making process, dems & repubs do agree 90% of the time, as many passed bills are unanimous. However, the remaining 10% are the bigger, more important issues, where many disagree (like the ones you mentioned:))

I wonder if McCain can get someone to kiss his unremarkable ass.

i watched the hypocrisy that was McCains speech, and watched a protester that snuck in about to get hit with a beat down stick.
"Don't Pay attention to the noise and static" -McCain, as the protester was dragged away.

Bravo McCain

"MINNEAPOLIS - War heroe John McCain promised Americans yesterday night as president he will end the corruption and waste in Washington..."

That'll be the day...

Can any McCain supporters detail to me what "executive experience" McCain has? We hear all this talk about Obama not having any, but I am very unclear on what executive experience McCain has.

Also, I hear McCain referred to as a "war hero", but I am confused on this also. According to my notes, he finished fifth from the bottom from his class at the Naval Academy, was somehow picked to be a fighter pilot (nepotism?), and was shot down 3 (?) times. We ultimately lost the war, so where does this hero element come in?

Cheers,
ripple01

Can any McCain supporters detail to me what "executive experience" McCain has? We hear all this talk about Obama not having any, but I am very unclear on what executive experience McCain has.None of the candidates have executive experience but Palin, but she doens't even have 2 yrs under her 'belt'. McCain has been in the game for a long time, but it would be nice to see at least an experienced, proven successful Governor(Like GW Bush, Clinton, Reagan, etc.) Yes I would have liked to see Mitt Romney as a candidate ...or Rudy:eek::lol:

Also, I hear McCain referred to as a "war hero", but I am confused on this also. According to my notes, he finished fifth from the bottom from his class at the Naval Academy, was somehow picked to be a fighter pilot (nepotism?), and was shot down 3 (?) times. We ultimately lost the war, so where does this hero element come in?Not good at the acedemics I see. Neither was Dan Quale:lol: It looks like he was given the option of special treatment as a POW(early leave), because of his father's high rank. I think "hero" just comes from him virtually dying for our country and/or the mission. Not the hero from the movies, like Arnold:D

Yeah I agree with Jimmy on that point. McCain isn't a HERO in the sense that Superman is a hero, or Babe Ruth, or a Firefighter or anybody in the sense like that.

And you are right that he didn't really do much in a military sense to gain victory, but that isn't what they are trying to say. They are saying he is a hero by example, he could have accepted the early release (which was politically motivated, but still) but he didn't because he wanted to stick with his fellows who followed the first one in should be first one out rule. That's what they mean, he is a good soldier to the boys when it gets tough. I appreciate this, and I understand how that could really build up other people's morale and possibly will them to live, who knows, but he isn't a hero in the sense you are thinking. Its more a character thing they are trying to establish. The only problem is this isn't a normal election, and there are a lot of issues and he really needs to get on a good message rather than repeating the same talking points in every appearance he makes. Although as a Democrat I don't mind. I saw Palin's appearance in Wisconsin earlier today, and I gotta say I don't think she'll be good for the long haul. Her comments were pretty lame and recycled, and she kinda struggled through it.

I am biased though.

i saw a video recently of his captors from vietnam. of course this was a recent video and the prison warden(?) was an old man like mccain. there was a museum exhibit where mccain was jailed, all dedicated to MCCAIN!!! :crazyeye:

and i might mention that the Vietnamese guy said that mccain wasnt tortured at all!

Not by his newfound definition of torture he wasn't, no. But to any rational human, and McCain before he sold out to Bush's torture manifesto, he was totured.

The fact the US claims that you have to intentionally cause organ failure in order to torture someone is a joke. That's not the definition of torture, never has been, and never will be. Despite what insane neo-cons wish.

Not by his newfound definition of torture he wasn't, no. But to any rational human, and McCain before he sold out to Bush's torture manifesto, he was totured.

The fact the US claims that you have to intentionally cause organ failure in order to torture someone is a joke. That's not the definition of torture, never has been, and never will be. Despite what insane neo-cons wish.

im intrigued. please elaborate coz i dont quite understand :)

McCain's V.P. pick shows how much he's sold out to the Karl Rove crowd, and that he'll do anything to win. Palin's church is so radical they think Catholics are not Christians and are therefore all going to hell. Her husband is a member of a political party that wants Alaskan secession from the Union. She supports hunting from helicopters, wants polar bears taken off the endangered species list, and she put out a $150.00 bounty on all wolves. She doesn't believe in evolution, she wants all abortions banned, even in cases of rape and incest. McCain almost ran with Kerry on the democratic ticket in 2004, he was the most liberal republican around, now he's running with this crazy woman. We're all supposed to like her though because she looks good reading a speech written for her by Bush's top speechwriter. This is a presidential election, not an eighth grade popularity contest or a beauty pageant. We don't need a beauty queen running the country, McCain knows this, but he'll do anything to win at this point. He is desperate and this pick is a short-sighted ploy to win conservative votes, and maybe some Hillary Clinton votes. As if Hillary Clinton's voters are that stupid, Palin stands for nothing they believe. Is Palin ready to lead on day one? Is she ready for that call at 3:00 A.M.?

Palin's church is so radical they think Catholics are not Christians and are therefore all going to hell.
Funny, I thought Catholics thought everyone else aren't true Christians and everybody but Catholics are going to hell! (just ask Mel Gibson... he even says his protestant wife is going to hell). That's pretty radical!

Wolfshanze, I'm a Catholic, and most Catholics aren't nuts anymore. Mel Gibson, however, is a nut, remember what he said about Jewish people, as he got another DUI. I think the Catholic's pretty much gave up on condemning all other Christians after all the holy wars following the Protestant Reformation. Yeah, Palin's church is the Assembly of God, and her pastor's views might be even crazier than Rev. Wright's. Her pastors name is Kalnins, he believes we are in the end times. He thinks people who voted for Kerry shouldn't be allowed into heaven. He has said Alaska will be a refuge during the rapture. Parishioners speak in tongues, look at this video http://www.boingboing.net/2008/09/04/video-footage-of-sar.html. Palin actually said getting another oil pipeline through Alaska is god's will. Not that her seventeen year old daughter listens to anyone at the church though, she can be seen on Youtube drinking, doing beer bongs and brandishing multiple firearms with her baby daddy, just search Bristol Palin at Youtube.

Wolfshanze, I'm a Catholic, and most Catholics aren't nuts anymore. Mel Gibson, however, is a nut, remember what he said about Jewish people, as he got another DUI. I think the Catholic's pretty much gave up on condemning all other Christians after all the holy wars following the Protestant Reformation. Yeah, Palin's church is the Assembly of God, and her pastor's views might be even crazier than Rev. Wright's. Her pastors name is Kalnins, he believes we are in the end times. He thinks people who voted for Kerry shouldn't be allowed into heaven. He has said Alaska will be a refuge during the rapture. Parishioners speak in tongues, look at this video http://www.boingboing.net/2008/09/04/video-footage-of-sar.html. Palin actually said getting another oil pipeline through Alaska is god's will. Not that her seventeen year old daughter listens to anyone at the church though, she can be seen on Youtube drinking, doing beer bongs and brandishing multiple firearms with her baby daddy, just search Bristol Palin at Youtube.

darn jeff....u have just described an all american family!!!

McCain's campaign manager said Palin wont be made available for any interview they "don't feel is in their best interest." Uh, how about whats in the countries best interest. She wont go on talk shows and answer tough questions because she can't, she is a mindless airhead who has little knowledge of what's going on in the world outside Alaska and below the arctic circle. Palin went to five colleges in six years before finally getting a bachelors degree in Journalism from the prestigious University of Idaho. She didn't go to graduate school she went to "candidate school" where beauty queens are taught to look good reading a teleprompter. "A lot of people go to college for seven years, their called doctors;" to quote David Spade from Tommy Boy. Come on, I have a better education than this woman, although I have never shot a moose.

Not my idea of an all American family Bernie. That church scares me. According to them I'm not getting into heaven for multiple reasons, I'm a Catholic who voted for Kerry. Speaking in tongues is about the craziest thing I've seen. That's your idea of an all American family? No wonder this country is going to hell in a hand-basket.

Isn't John Kerry also a Catholic who voted for Kerry?

McCain's V.P. pick shows how much he'll do anything to win/.../and maybe some Hillary Clinton votes. As if Hillary Clinton's voters are that stupid, Palin stands for nothing they believe. Is Palin ready to lead on day one? Is she ready for that call at 3:00 A.M.?

Yep I agree he picked her because he needed ALL Hillary votes.

Palin stands for nothing they believe in? Not to be sexist, but she's a woman like them, and that will go a long way regardless of political views. Kinda like the Bradley effect, where polls predict one thing and when they get into to voting booth, the opposite happens...

Call at 3AM:lol:. She can lead. Governor of this huge state? It must have challenges that most governors never had to face. http://img182.imageshack.us/img182/9859/akusady2.jpg (http://img182.imageshack.us/my.php?image=akusady2.jpg)


Oh yea, what's wrong with killing wolves? They're barbaric!!

Governor of this huge state? It must have challenges that most governors never had to face. http://img182.imageshack.us/img182/9859/akusady2.jpg (http://img182.imageshack.us/my.php?image=akusady2.jpg)

Are you kidding me? Empty land is not a challenge, challenging issues usually involve PEOPLE. There are more people within a 4 mile radius of my home than there are in that whole state...

Cheers,
ripple01

Oh yea, what's wrong with killing wolves? They're barbaric!!

Well, the barbarians nearly wiped out the wolf in Europe... and the bison in America (to name just two).

Speaking of which: pregnant teenage daughters is what you get when opposing sexiual education. (You still get teenagers having sex, but now they're ignorant as well.) Seems a shotgun wedding is in order - kind of appropriate considering Palin's reported hobbies.

Are you kidding me? Empty land is not a challenge, challenging issues usually involve PEOPLE. There are more people within a 4 mile radius of my home than there are in that whole state...
:agree: Right no one lives there, AK is in the bottom 5 somewhere for least populated State.:pat:

Well, the barbarians nearly wiped out the wolf in Europe... and the bison in America (to name just two).
That's not good.

Wonder what they did wipe out, if any... Well, if the barbarians did wipe out the wolf we wouldn't have the Barbarian Wolf in Civ4, DWOLF, or Wolfshanze!! :eek::crazyeye:

That's not good.

Wonder what they did wipe out, if any... Well, if the barbarians did wipe out the wolf we wouldn't have the Barbarian Wolf in Civ4, DWOLF, or Wolfshanze!! :eek::crazyeye:

. :lol:

Jimmy, Hillary Clinton has been an advocate of woman's rites for years, she's earned her support amongst women, she paid her dues. Look what Bill did to her, she's gets female votes just for putting up with him. Saying women will vote for Palin simply because she is a woman is sexist. The republicans ran Allan Keyes here in Illinois against Obama in 2004, hoping Keyes would get some of Obama's black votes in Chicago, because Keyes is black, and all the republican votes in Southern Illinois. It didn't work because Keyes didn't stand for anything the black community believed in, and has done nothing to help them. Keyes probably didn't get a single black vote. The same applies with Palin and Clinton voters. By the way, Hillary Clinton will be campaigning for Obama the next few months, she doesn't hate Obama, they are both from Chicago. This idea that the democrats are divided is a republican pipe dream.

Also, all wolves shouldn't be killed because they play a valuable role in the ecosystem like every other animal. It is barbaric to order them all killed.

Alaska has a population of only 650,000 people, and vast wealth in natural resources, it's probably the easiest state to govern. The South Chicago district Obama represented in the Illinois Senate has more people than Alaska. much more diversity, and many, many more tough problems to deal with.

Hillary Clinton will be campaigning for Obama the next few months, she doesn't hate Obama, they are both from Chicago. This idea that the democrats are divided is a republican pipe dream.Maybe the dems aren't totally divided but Hillary wants Obama to lose, so she can say 'told ya so' and so she can run in 2012 even stronger.

Also, all wolves shouldn't be killed because they play a valuable role in the ecosystem like every other animal. It is barbaric to order them all killed.No, I dont think all wolves should be wiped out to extinction. Palin doesnt want them wiped out either. I was only talking hypothetical because another post mentioned the barbarians almost did it...nv/m:lol:). I didnt know that Alaska had a wolf problem. We have wolves here in upstate NY, and I've seen them in the wild (no, I wasnt hunting them...).
Chicago district Obama represented in the Illinois Senate has more people than Alaska. much more diversity, and many, many more tough problems to deal with.I'm sure it is. However Obama himself had no real managerial duties or responsibilites. Obama's resume is nothing, but coming into this year's election, it was the year for the dems to win no matter who the candidate. IDK if Palin has got what it takes, and I certainly dont know if Obama has it in him either.

look into "Fife Symington", john mccain was involved in this scandal

Just check out McCain's Wiki: there was a fraud scandal, an investigation and "he was largely exonerated". (Note the largely.) Not the ideal man to clean up the capital...

yes and that is some dirt from us Arizonans. I cant with good conscience vote for a criminal to be leader of the free world. Can you?

Here's Governor Palin sporting her "NOWHERE ALASKA" sweat shirt last year even though she now says she was against the bridge to nowhere, she has said this eighteen times to date; all lies. She was saying with the shirt that any bridge in Alaska isn't a bridge to nowhere, and if it was then she was proud to live in nowhere Alaska. Thus, she supported that particular earmark, and many others. Even after the bridge project was canceled she still took the money and spent it on other things. Now, she is supposed to be a "reformer."

Oops, here it is.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/baratunde/2826860356/

and dont let me forget to over emphasize the Keating Five Scandal (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keating_Five)

The reason why we really cannot say anything bad about Barack Obama is because he hasn't done anything! People(esp the media) are putting a microscope on Palin's whole life, personal and professional, to use it against her, when we still don't know Barack's real story whatsoever:confused:.

Bush in 2006(@ 8:50): "Americans should come together; Republicans, Democrats, & John McCain.."

and dont let me forget to over emphasize the Keating Five Scandal (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keating_Five)Not good.

Okay, Jimmy so Bush thinks McCain is independent, that means a lot. Obama has been under the microscope for two years. There is an entire phony news network devoted to digging up dirt on him; FoxNews. Palin deserves scrutiny, she could be a heartbeat away from being president. Someone should ask her why she went to six colleges in six years, why she transferred so many times, and what grades she got. These are exactly the kinds of questions they would ask at a job interview. If she's going to present herself as a reformer, she should have to back that up with something.

Please stop the political discussion (and associated flaming, etc.). If you want to discuss politics, go to Off-Topic. Otherwise, discuss this leaderhead.

What's it to you Ginger Ale? Are you a conservative who believes in stifling political debate?

I agree that we should never flame here, but this has been an open discussion on the subject of the artwork.

@Ginger Ale
I will notify you immediately if i see any flaming going on here, Im getting tired of it myself.

OK, Garrett, no flaming.

Stupid question: What's flaming?:confused:

Actually Dutchking, someone who hasn't grown their pubes yet usually doesn't know what they're talking about, but I'll be gentle on the kiddies.

this is flaming. basically and insult instead of any information. to be fair dutchking called him a neo-fascist nutjob.

I googled for trolling (which flaming W accused me of) and found more or less the same thing. (Actually I found that accusing someone else of trolling is a trolling tactic in itself. I got so fed up I reported W to a Moderator, which resulted in... nothing - as far as I can tell -, so I put him on my Ignore List.)

I have posted this in both the McCain and Obama threads, as they have equally drifted astray...

Please avoid personal attacks and stick to discussing the leaderhead.

Well I think the model is as good as the Obama model... they are both good.

Couldn't agree more.;)

Well I think the model is as good as the Obama model... they are both good.

Thanks wolf!

Now i just gotta figure out who is next on the list
(and find the time to make said person ;) )

How 'bout this dude?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d3/Bill_Clinton.jpg/225px-Bill_Clinton.jpg

Thanks wolf!

Now i just gotta figure out who is next on the list
(and find the time to make said person ;) )
http://christiansocialists.com/14_Gorbachev.jpg

LH request. Thanks to Ripple01 for the pic.

http://christiansocialists.com/14_Gorbachev.jpg

It's Gorby!

@JeffIllinois: That's a definitely maybe maybe... come next election. (Unless McCain wins... and keels over... God forbid.)


No pun intended!

I know Jeleen, it's a scary thought, she's already said she want's war with Russia in her first interview, and she thinks we're in the "end times." But the LH would inspire a good discussion here.

I know Jeleen, it's a scary thought, she's already said she want's war with Russia in her first interview, and she thinks we're in the "end times." But the LH would inspire a good discussion here.

oh good! thats what we need! a christian nut believing she is here to bring on the rapture!!

too bad im not christian, but i guess i think that heaven would bore me anyways ;)

McCain says he would fire Republican SEC chief Cox

Thu Sep 18, 2008 9:35pm EDT

By Jeff Mason

CEDAR RAPIDS, Iowa (Reuters) - Republican presidential nominee John McCain said on Thursday a top Bush administration official should be fired for failing to regulate Wall Street and allowing markets to be used as a casino.


Now that measures are finally being taken McCain talks tough. Sounds more like a cuckoo too me... where was this veteran US Senator when the mortgage crisis started?

... where was this veteran US Senator when the mortgage crisis started?

HERE (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2083758/posts)...he was here in 2005....:)


BTW...r u being cynical by making an emphasis on "veteran" senator??

I like Obama's response Jeelen, he said that in November the voters will have a chance to fire this entire republican crowd, not just Cox, McSame's new scape-goat. In November, the republicans are going to be run out of Washington on a rail.

I like Obama's response Jeelen.
What a surprise... and here I thought you'd tear-into Obama and have him for lunch instead of fawn over all his beautiful speeches. Go figure. :mischief:

HERE (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2083758/posts)...he was here in 2005....:)


BTW...r u being cynical by making an emphasis on "veteran" senator??

That was enlightening. So (I'm guessing) Republican Senator McCain (who, BTW, is a veteran, so I don't see any cynicism in calling him what his campaign already likes him to be seen as) first backed a Republican mortgage reform plan (flip), now attacks Republican measures taken at long last (flop). Just the sort of change that's needed. (And I am using "change" in the same cynical way Senator McCain copied it from his Democratic opponent.)

It is clear Senator McCain can't wait to be President; it would be interesting to know if he then stands by his word... or does another flipflop.

Wolfshanze, It was a well measured response for such a ridiculous political ploy meant to distance McSame from an increasingly disastrous administration at a time of financial catastrophe.

mccain is a flipflopper from hell. i dont really even know what he stands for, because 6 years ago he was saying very different things. he changes his policy like the wind changes.

mccain is a flipflopper from hell. i dont really even know what he stands for, because 6 years ago he was saying very different things. he changes his policy like the wind changes.

The answer is:

http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/2921/mc3eb0.th.jpg (http://img232.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mc3eb0.jpg)

Didn't know McCain ever featured in a B movie... Creepy!:lol:

thats really creepy

...Obama... and have him for lunch instead of fawn over all his beautiful speeches. Go figure. :mischief:


...by speeches you mean condescending lectures.:rolleyes:

EDIT: Is this what the moderators call 'flaming?' :confused: I'm still trying to understand what it is... This is not trolling, I know that much.

Maybe he's trying to troll, but doesn't know how to. At any rate, such comments are derogatory and devoid of any actual facts. (Though I have noticed that of the two candidates Barack likes to talk to people, whereas McCain likes talking to mikes, i.e. the media.)

Maybe he's trying to troll
You seem very fond of that word, why do you bring it up so much? Just because somebody doesn't fawn all over Obama like a school girl crush doesn't mean they are a troll... it just means they have a different opinion then you.

You really need to stop talking about trolls, I could've sworn you posted a thread about the guy who always calls the other guy a troll is a troll themselves.... better keep looking in the mirror for troll hairs... I assume your post about me being a troll is productive and contributing to the well meaning and betterment of the forum by continually insinuating who is and isn't a troll.

I love how everybody that loves Obama is in the right, and everybody who doesn't love Obama is a troll. Nice one there guys, talk about controlling the media.

You seem very fond of that word...fawn all over Obama like a school girl crush...trolls...troll...troll....troll...troll... troll...troll.

No comment. (See my previous post.)

Whatever you will vote you'll have to change the name of the country either to USA or UFSA !

yes wolf, you are usually a bigtime troll. you will be at home in the OT forum of CFC

I wouldn't normally post this here, but I just received an F vote on my recent Thomas' War Huge Earth 18 civs map, downgrading its A+ rating to a C. I can only think of one person who would be so immature. Now come out and be a man about it.

BTW, if this happens again, I will report it.

JEELEN

Wolfshanze, is busy fawning all over Reagan, or Reagan's memory.

haha, awesome. Good leaderhead.

haha, awesome. Good leaderhead.

thank you bro :)

For the record, I was talking about my post, and if it was considered flaming, not Wolfshanze's post.:)

Here you go guys (even tho no one asked for it)::lol:
First presidential debate:
Friday, September 26
University of Mississippi, Oxford, MS
Vice presidential debate:
Thursday, October 2
Washington University in St. Louis, MO
Second presidential debate:
Tuesday, October 7
Belmont University, Nashville, TN
Third presidential debate:
Wednesday, October 15
Hofstra University, Hempstead, NY

thanks for that schedule. we should all watch these debates. after all, this is our world and our country :)

Doun't count on me ;)

Probably it'll be displayed on tv on sick hour - 4:00 am in europe or something like that ;)

From Washington Post columnists King:

Another Questionable McCain Pick

John McCain's strong suit is supposed to be his judgment. But that is being called into question during this presidential campaign. He's behaving as if a moment's thought is a moment wasted.

His impulsiveness was on display last week when he declared -- in the midst of the country's financial crisis -- that if he were president, he would fire Security and Exchange Commission chairman Christopher Cox. Only to be told that the president can't fire the SEC chairman.

He compounded the problem last Sunday night on "60 Minutes" when, out of the blue, he said he would consider appointing former Clinton administration HUD Secretary Andrew Cuomo to the SEC job.

"I've admired Andrew Cuomo" McCain said. "I think he is somebody who could restore some credibility, lend some bipartisanship to this effort." The Arizona senator added that as a member of Clinton's cabinet, Cuomo "did a good job. And he has respect. And he has prestige."

I wonder if McCain, before endorsing Cuomo for the SEC post, read the long piece on Cuomo's HUD tenure in the Village Voice last month.

Under the headline "Andrew Cuomo and Fannie and Freddie: How the youngest Housing and Urban Development secretary in history gave birth to the mortgage crisis," investigative reporter Wayne Barrett charged that Cuomo "took actions that-in combination with many other factors-helped plunge Fannie and Freddie into the subprime markets without putting in place the means to monitor their increasingly risky investments. He turned the Federal Housing Administration mortgage program into a sweetheart lender with sky-high loan ceilings and no money down, and he legalized what a federal judge has branded 'kickbacks' to brokers that have fueled the sale of overpriced and unsupportable loans. Three to four million families are now facing foreclosure, and Cuomo is one of the reasons why."

Cuomo reportedly would not answer Voice questions directly, but did respond through an intermediary. The piece, which reviews his decisions in depth, is a must read.

Especially by someone with the impulse to appoint Cuomo chairman of the SEC.

Cuomo is no stranger to me. I was a Post editorial board member during his service at HUD, as under secretary and then secretary. I got to know and like him for his dedication to addressing housing needs of the poor.

Most of our dealings centered around "The D.C. Initiative," a HUD-sponsored demonstration project that Cuomo launched, with much fanfare, in 1993. The project was designed to end homelessness in the nation's capital and billed as a model for the nation. The Post published numerous editorials tracking its progress and failings.

Cuomo wasn't a bad manager, but his program fell far short of the mark. It went through $20 million of HUD's money and $10 million of the city's own before it officially ended in March 1999.

District officials estimate that today's homeless population exceeds 5,000.

McCain was in Washington at the time. Does he remember this?


and Capeheart:

McCain's Debatable Proposal

The "Oh no, he didn't!" Award for today goes to Sen. John McCain with his announcement that he's suspending his presidential campaign tomorrow and wants to postpone Friday's debate with Sen. Barack Obama so that he can help negotiate the bipartisan bailout of America's wrecked financial system. Oh, and he's called on Obama to put politics aside and join him. That's certainly a bold move. But why now?

This has not been a good couple of weeks for McCain, and today has been horrendous. The latest Washington Post/ABC News poll showed Obama with a clear lead over the senator from Arizona for the very first time. As if that weren't bad enough, a national poll from Fox News/Opinion Dynamics and battleground state polls from Marist appear to back up the contention that Obama is striking a chord with voters on the economy. This is giving him valuable momentum going into Friday's debate.

Then, as E.J. wrote about earlier, there was the front page New York Times story today contradicting McCain campaign assertions that the firm founded by campaign chief Rick Davis had had no dealings with Freddie Mac for three years. The story reports that Davis's firm, Davis Manafort, was paid $15,000 a month from the end of 2005 through last month.

By making such a startling announcement this afternoon, McCain has managed to most certainly change the subject -- for now.

Maybe he's putting "country first." But coming 41 days before the election and on a day of tough news for McCain, forgive me for thinking that there's more than a bit of self-interest here.