Yes - if my flight's on time I should be back late on the 20th so I'll check into it then (I'm currently in the UK and have no access to it - and only very intermittent internet access). Sorry there have been problems.

Cheers,
Munro

Looks like it was a problem again with my internet connection at home. I've reset it and reloaded the game back to the beginning of C63's last turn (since he was the last to play before the internet connection went down).

So everything is now back up at 650BC with 39 hours on the clock. C63 - sorry, you'll need to replay your last turn. Unfortunately there's only an autosave at the beginning of each player's login (and at the end of each turn), not when you log out.

Looks like there may be a problem though with either the cabling here or the modem. I'm looking into it to see what we can do to prevent a repeat.

Cheers,
Munro

I bet it is just the unstable pitboss or civstats program that caused this.

I'm away from my game PC until Thu night, but will PM da Vinci and ask him to (re)play for me instead.

uploader is down.

WOW we all are eliminated :)

Looks like the pitboss application crashed (first time this has happened).

I'm rebooting the server and applying some patches which need to go on. Should be back up in a couple of hours.

The server is back up now.

I can't connect via hamachi !!! I can't ping the server too.

Oops - sorry hellwitch. Firewall issue, now fixed. Let me know if you have any further problems.

Why did dv play for himself but not for cq? CQ is still away for another day right?

Don't worry, I'll play my turn tonight (~11h from this post).

Someone from my ISP is coming to look at the cable modem this afternoon to see if it needs to be repaired or replaced - to address the recent outages. So the server may be down for a short while they investigate. I will keep you all posted.

Most probably the outages is caused by the software though? pitboss / civstats uploader are both severly unstable in my experience...

No - the pitboss and civstat applications have been fine (apart from the one crash on oct 26th). The biggest problem has been instability on my internet connection. I have other computers on the network that lose connectivity at the same time (but can still connect to the pitboss server over the local network) so I know it's not a problem specific to pitboss.

Anyway, the engineer came this afternoon and found a problem with the cabling that was reducing the signal to about 17% of it's normal strength, which appears likely to have been causing most of the outages. That's fixed now, and they also replaced the modem, just in case, so it should be a lot more stable now. (It also more than doubled the upload and download speeds). :)

Everything is now back up and appears to be working well. Let me know if there are any further problems.

Cheers,
Munro

I know it is probably not relevant right now, but both team mates very easily get involved in a war so cq could you please move after me and ron?

oyzar, sometimes I just don't understand you. Last night I played 2 turns in a row (maybe for the first time in the whole game) as you complained I hadn't played the night before. I'm not involved in any ongoing war, at least not that I know of.

And while we're at it, if you could find some other player to replace me for the rest of this game, I'd gladly accept.

Why did dv play for himself but not for cq? CQ is still away for another day right? My understanding was that C63 only needed me to cover him Friday and Saturday. MY goal is to allow HIM to play as many of HIS turns as possible, not to save a few hours here or there.

dV

oyzar, sometimes I just don't understand you. Last night I played 2 turns in a row (maybe for the first time in the whole game) as you complained I hadn't played the night before. I'm not involved in any ongoing war, at least not that I know of.

And while we're at it, if you could find some other player to replace me for the rest of this game, I'd gladly accept.

What do you mean? I am fine with you not playing the night before as you explained it... I was just curious. I am guessing dv's units aren't just for show and as such we'll probably be in war soon. As i said it probably won't matter, but it is good to keep turn order so we don't get up in any weird situations later on...

Talk to me on msn, i am sure we'll be able to clear up any misunderstandings...

Server just crashed - reloaded from dV's autosave login.

dV - you'll need to play your last turn again I'm afraid. Doesn't look like anyone else was affected.

Guess this turn might be rather long as ron have yet to show himself...

I connected, but now i lost connection and can't connect back in...

From civstats, it looks like you were able to get in on the second try and played (and ended) your turn. Everything resolved now?

11/11/08 3:57 am oyzar Logged out
11/11/08 3:46 am oyzar Finished turn
11/11/08 3:31 am oyzar Logged in
11/11/08 3:22 am oyzar Logged out
11/11/08 3:16 am oyzar Logged in

ya, waited 5 min and it worked fine.

Hi. I can't connect. It makes the first step - the message change for "Connecting to host..." to "Connected to host..." then nothing happend. ?!?

Hi. I can't connect. It makes the first step - the message change for "Connecting to host..." to "Connected to host..." then nothing happend. ?!? I am getting the same thing, on both the GK game and the oobs 4th game (both hosted by Munro now). So looks like some issue at his end.

dV

Sorry - back up now. Issue was that I saved the game from the pitboss host, and forgot to click the 'ok' button to dismiss the 'game saved' message on the pitboss host.

I didn't know it, but apparently that freezes the game.

All fixed now.

There was a brief sever crash today (a real one this time :p) around 17:00 GMT. All back up now - let me know if anyone sees any problems.

dV - you were the last to log in so I used your recovery autosave, but I'm afraid you'll need to replay your turn. Sorry...

Looks like dv / cq missed their turn completely... As they are in war this might be rather crucial? Maybe a reload? Or i guess they could just move first in the turn from now on...

C63 is away, and I had some internet problems earlier ... us going first is fine with me, if it is with you guys ... provided you didn't just make some move that changes my mind (doubtful ... )

dV

Do we have direct ip access without using hamachi?
I have problems with "hamachi server is busy" for second day and it is very dificult to connect to the game

I haven't used hamachi for a long time

Yes, hamachi isn't required. You can use either of the following DNS entries to connect:

munro-pitboss.no-ip.org (not using Hamachi)
munrociv.no-ip.org (Hamachi)

Although - if someone is connected via Hamachi and you try to connect directly (or visa versa) you'll be unable to connect to the existing peer. But it doesn't sound like it's been a big problem so far..

Do we have direct ip access without using hamachi?
I have problems with "hamachi server is busy" for second day and it is very dificult to connect to the game I have come across that in a different game (hamachi required) a couple of times, just started seeing that in the last month. Usually in the morning for me, which would be afternoon or evening for you I assume?

dV

Are we planning to pause the game over christmas?

Munro has mentioned to me he will be away for 2 or 3 weeks over this period, and I'll also be away for a week from the 24th to the 30th. Are there other teams in a similar situation, or who would also like the game to be postponed during this time?

I was also thinking that it would be interesting if we could all post a sort of write up about what they've been thinking during the game. Probably not while the game is still going, more likely at the end.

This is my first go at Civ multiplayer and I've already learnt quite a lot, but I would find it really interesting to hear other players' thoughts on the strategies they have taken.

I will be gone from 20th to 8th and ron will be gone a similar period to you.

20-8 lol thats almost a month. What kind of vacation you got guys.

With 2 teams already completely way for the hollyday we will stop the game for sure.

We must agree on when the game will stop and at which date it can be continued.

For me personally i will have more spare time.

We'll see what dV and C63 have to say.

It's *possibe* that I could play while I'm away from home, but it wouldn't be consistent.

Can someone who isn't Munro change settings with the server? Since Munro will be away until the 4th, if we were to pause the game how would we restart it without him?

Another option is to set the turn timer to something really long, like 2 weeks. Does the server allow a turn timer of 336 hours?

I've changed the turn timer to 999 hours (6 weeks :)). It'll take effect from the next turn.

This means we can keep playing as quickly as we are able, but if / when a team is completely away, no-one will miss their turn.

I'll restart the server as well before I leave so hopefully it'll last a while without supervision. :p

Also - I am still looking for subs in a couple of my other pitboss games so if anyone is interested in playing for me for a few weeks, send me a PM and let me know.

I am not yet sure about my availability over the holiday season, but pausing or long timers are perfectly fine with me.

Great plan on the timer...(@munro) I'd sub when I'm available, if I'm not already playing of course.

As oyzar alluded to, I'll be away from the 25th to the 1st, a reasonable 1 week time period imo. But the 20th to the 8th sounds like way more fun.

Well, with cell phone wireless internet, it goes where I go ... but still, I like the long timer idea ... as it allows us to play as much as schedules allow without any hassles.

And over the holidays, there are times then there is not time ... even if the net is with you ...

dV

Yea good idea with that long timer :)

Why does civstats say that a new turn has begun ? I haven't played

I guess the timer ran out?

I guess the timer ran out?

You mean the timer that had been set at 999 hours ?

The timer was at 48 hours before this turn.

Well, the turn timer is 999 hours from the next turn. If Munro is still at his computer, I would appreciate a re-load.

Yes, I'm here another 36 hours yet... :)

No-one's played yet this turn so I can reload to the last autosave tonight (around 1am GMT), however
- the last autosave is from dV's last login; he'll have to replay his turn
- dV played with only about 35 mins left on the clock.. so there won't be much time after the reload; so I'll leave the game 'paused' after the reload
- when each of you (dV and tp) play, you'll have to unpause the game (press the 'pause' button on your keyboard) and whichever of you plays first, leave the game paused after you are done (and make sure you leave enough time for the other player) :p

Note: if you have a diplo screen waiting for you when you login, you won't be able to unpause the game.. if that happens you'll need to co-ordinate with another player to login at the same time as you and unpause it so you can play. Hopefully that won't happen...

Shout if there are any problems with the above.

Cheers,
Munro

Ok, thank you! I will be poised to play [edit: as soon as possibile after] 1 GMT tonight. I also pm-med hellwitch, I'm not sure if he has played.

Yes, I'm here another 36 hours yet... :)

No-one's played yet this turn so I can reload to the last autosave tonight (around 1am GMT), however
- the last autosave is from dV's last login; he'll have to replay his turn
- dV played with only about 35 mins left on the clock..

Munro Do you mean 1 pm GMT? I think my last login was this am about 7 AM US EST playing for C63 (England) and forgetting to make a name change ... which was with little time left on clock. Edit: Or do you mean you will reload at 1 AM GMT? I first thought you meant the last save was from 1 AM GMT, when I think the save is from 1 PM GMT ...

For future reference ... If a player logs in a second time, immediately after logoff from their turn play, does that make an new autosave with that second login? In other words, can the need to replay a turn if there is a reload be removed with a "save only" login after the logoff of the turn play?

Or is it only a login by a different player that would generate a new save?

Not an issue for this replay, but for a heavy combat turn (or a turn with a zillion units to move, like oobs 4th), a double login to make a save of the combat (or moves) might be a good idea? If double login makes a save of the first login's moves ...

or in this case, with the clock low, I thought a reload might be coming ... perhaps me doing a double login would have made sense to lock in my moves?

dV

Apologies. I got stuck at work (much to do in preparation for being out two weeks) so it is much later than I thought, but I have now reloaded the last turn to the start of dV's (for C63's) turn, and left the game paused with about 35 minutes on the clock.

dV, tp - you each need to play; remember to leave the game paused again for the other player if you're the first to do so.

Also - yes, you're completely right dV about the autosaves. When a player logs in, the pitboss application creates an autosave for the start of that turn (using the player's login name in the filename). So logging in again immediately afterwards creates and 'end of turn' autosave. Although if you do this it's probably better to use a different player name (e.g. dV-end turn) so you don't overwrite the previous autosave just in case it's needed (e.g. dispute over double move etc).

I've also restarted the server for good measure - hopefully it (and my internet uplink) will last now all the way through until jan 5th!

Cheers,
Munro

Ok, I've played. When I unpaused the game at first, my civ crashed. But then when I logged in again, the game was unpaused. I finished my turn, logged out... and then had to log in again to remember to pause the game for dV. 17 mins on the clock.. Then logged in again because the clock at civstats is still ticking. But the clock at the game is still paused with 17 mins remaining.

I played again for England (C63) ... 15 min on the timer, I repaused it, waiting for hw.

dV

Edit: or is hw done? He had a log in log out, but did not end turn ??

dV

edited ........

I believe civstats crashed or something. So despite what civstats says, the pitboss server is still alive.

It's up to TP now.

I've played. A new turn has begun...

Since civstats is down....can dv please post after he and C63 have played.

I have played ... for Zulu only so far ... not sure if C63 is around or away ... anyone know for sure?

If he does not play in the next 24, I will play for him (or sooner if I hear definitive word and have the time).

dV

I'm away but should be able to play tomorrow (some 24h from this post). After I'm done, I'll post here or contact Ron/oyzar on MSN if I find them online.

A new turn has begun :xmassign::xmastree:

Ronnie said he wouldn't be back before new year though...

I've got web access...but NO game access yet...oyzar can play for me of course if he is available before i am.

I have just played my turn ...

dV

I have played for BOTH oyzar and myself!...waiting on tp/hw i think.

A new turn has begun

I'm back! Happy New Year everyone. Hope you all had a good holidays if you were celebrating. :)

I'm happy (and slightly surprised) to see that the server survived while I was gone. :) I've restarted the civstats app and reset the turn timer to 48 hours so we can get back to normal starting with the next turn.

Now to catch up with everything else!

Cheers
Munro

:bump:

Still 5 people waiting to take their turns ... after this turn the timer will be back to 48 hours but at the moment we're still stuck waiting until february... :eek: :sad:

Any chance people can get cracking on their turns so we can get this going again? C63, tp, hw... (I assume oyzar / ronnie are waiting for C63).

Cheers,
Munro

Sorry, I've been away from my game PC in the last few days. I'll play my turn tonight (+12h from this post). However, after that one, I'll be unavailable again until Jan22, so dV will have to play for me - if he can, obviously.

Got you covered.

dV

ME and TP are waiting for oyzar