This isnt really a tottaly new scenario, I modified stalin006s WW3 scenario to make it more reality-like. I didnt ask for permission(sorry, I dont have much free time), so if hes not ok with it I can take this post out :)

Anyway, big thanks to stalin006 and Marla Singer

I will post here the europeans as the human player, but it is easy to switch it with the editor.

The world is divided this way:

European Union- European Union, Australia and New Zealand
North America- USA, Canada and Jerusalem
Latin America
Russia
China
India
Japan- Japan, South Korea, Philippines, Taiwan and Jakarta
Arab Nations
Black Africa(I couldnt think of a better name)-all of the non-arab african nations

This is only v.1, so there may be lots of errors. The tech tree(specially the african one) is not perfect. Anyway, its fun to play.
Everybody feel free to change anything you want
Oh, and I really didnt know the name of the indian leader, because they just elected a new president. I guess all other leader names are correct.


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where do I get it from?

I would suggest you think of a better name for "Black Africa"

Theres bound to be someone out there who will make a song and dance about it :rolleyes:

"Africa" would suffice really :)

I would suggest you think of a better name for "Black Africa"

LoL......not aiming for political correctness are we? :lol:

How about calling 'Black Africa' something like the 'Pan-African Security Alliance', or the 'African Economic Pact', or some other made up name like that. That way, at least the name for the African faction ties into why all those separate nations in Africa have united.

Also, it looks like you forgot to post the .bic.

A bunch of African nations recently entered into a EU style pact called the African Union, I think thats the name. Pehapse that would be a good name for the African power block.

First of all, thanks for all the replies. About the name Black Africa, as I said, I couldnt think of anything better, so everyone feel free to change it if you dont like it.

And sorry about not posting the bic file. The problem was you cant post bic files, so I had to zip it. Here it is:

mmmh.... luiz.........do u realize how long it took me to put those cities? ^_^ well dont worry, u can keep doing it, but as long as u dont send it to fireaxis as your k?

Originally posted by Zabba149


LoL......not aiming for political correctness are we? :lol:

well, if u look up I was quoting mr luiz, and pointing out that he might not be aiming for political correctness :p ;) :rolleyes:


nae danger! ;)

no problem stalin006, I wont send it to firaxis. The credit for this scenario is mostly yours, Im aware of that. Thanks for letting me use it.

shut the heck up bout political correctness (i feel it's fundamentally wrong to have to tailor how we talk how we refer to things to other freakin nations and cultures). If others have a prob then they don't have to download and if they raise a stink bout it i have no qualms bout tellin em to back to africa if they don't like it. It's not even demeaning for the love of god!

Im working on a world war 2 scenario and I dont know the name of this fellows:
president or king(one of them) of sweden
president or king of the netherlands
leader of poland
can anyone help me? thanks

are u using my map for ur WW2 scenario?

No, Im making this one all by myself, dont worry.
Im using Marlas Map though

YEAH DOWN WITH BEING POLITICALLY CORRECT. IM of Ethiopian decent and I dont take offense to black africa, mainly cause africans are mostly black. Why should any african take offense to it. Its ludacris (no not the mc).

Better than "Black Africa" is the newly formed "African Union"....its this new thing they did, just a bunch of countries agreeing on a few basic laws...nowhere near a country or even the European Union...

Whoa...what is this sudden outrage against political correctness? I sense this thread is about to be jacked!

its not outrage its resentment Im not pissed off I just think that being politicly correct is a way for white ppl not to be called racists

whats the deal with the name Black Africa?? I didnt make it up, its a definition! The African continent is diveided in Arab Africa and Black Africa, at least thats the way we learn it here in Brazi! Anyway, if anyone dont like it, feel free to change it!
And that political correctness stuff is a tremendous stupidity. Here in Brazil we are not politically correct and theres no racism heres. And we may be the most racially diverse country on the planet! If you want to end racism, end political correctness firts.

I know Im Ethiopian I dont care if someone calls our regon black africa I totaly agree luiz

Although somthing like The African Federation or African Republic would have a nice ring...

ok, in the next version, if there is to be a next version, I will call that region African Union, because that will also work as an explanation to why all those different nations would come together.

And we may be the most racially diverse country on the planet!


Brazil? How do you figure that?

I can think of some other nations that I would put ahead of Brazil.

How I figured that out? Simple:
Brazil received million of immigrants from Western Europe, specially Portugal, Spain, Italy and Germany. We also received lots of people from Eastern Europe, and lots of jews and arabs form all over the Middle East, and hundreds of thousands of japanese and chinese people, not to mention millions and millions of black slaves from Africa and the millions of indians who lived here.
I know the USA also received people from all over the planet, but the difference, races didnt mix there. In Brazil you most people are 1/16 portuguese, 1/16 italian, 1/16 german, 1/16 jewish, 1/16 black, 1/16 indian etc...
And that changes with the regions: In the Southern Region people look like europeans, due to the strong presence of italians and germans there, and because races didnt mix there. on the other hand, for example, in the Northeastern region, people are mainly mulattos.

but the difference, races didnt mix there.

Wouldn't that make you less diverse then? You have just one mixture race, rather than a bunch of different separate ones which make the country diverse? Plus the U.S. has over 300 million people compared to your 120 million.

But there are hundreds of different combinations here! In US you have white, black, hispanic, asian, jews and arabs.
In Brazil we have white, black, asian, arabs, jews, mulattos, indians, mamelucos, cafuzos, caboclos, etc, etc...
We have "pure" white people and "pure" black people, plus lots of different combinations. And our populations is estimated in 175 million. Its true that the US has far more people, but 175 millions is enough to fit every race in the world.

Meh, I guess so.

I agree that occasionally political correctness can go to far, but what is wrong with using more appropriate and less offensive terms for people. Like it or not the US has a long and dark history of rascism and hatred not to mention homophobia, patriarchy and a whole host of other evils. Language shapes the way that we think, calling a homosexual person a f@g or using gay to mean bad, is not only offensice, but conditions the mind to a type of thinking that is bigoted. Now I am not saying that we need ot contantly be on gaurd for political correctness, but we need ot realize that some traditions are stupid and have to go. We don't put leaches on people to cure deases and we don't inslave people. Lets also stop harming thme by the means by hich we describe them. Of cource though everyone has a free speech right, to an extent, to call people what ever they wish. It would be nie if they could escape their own little worlds though. AS for the term "BLack Africa" I am sure no offense was intended , but I am glad to see that African Union wil lbe used in the next version.

giffy i agree 100% with you, but I think excessive political correctness may lead to hatred, and I believe all of that "white guilt" thing is hipocrit.
About the term Black Africa, as I said, thats the way we call that region here in Brazil, and I assure you it has nothing to do with racism.

Luiz, I heard about Argentina being more ethnicly deverse than the U.S. And now Brazil. SO i decided to check up on it. 2000 census for the u.s
RACE
One race 274,595,678 97.6
White
211,460,626 75.1
Black or African American
34,658,190 12.3
American Indian and Alaska Native
2,475,956 0.9
Asian
10,242,998 3.6
Asian Indian
1,678,765 0.6
Chinese
2,432,585 0.9
Filipino
1,850,314 0.7
Japanese
796,700 0.3
Korean
1,076,872 0.4
Vietnamese
1,122,528 0.4
Other Asian 1
1,285,234 0.5
Native Hawaiian and Other Pacific Islander
398,835 0.1
Native Hawaiian
140,652 0.0
Guamanian or Chamorro
58,240 0.0
Samoan
91,029 0.0
Other Pacific Islander 2
108,914 0.0
Some other race
15,359,073 5.5
Two or more races 6,826,228 2.4
Race alone or in combination with one or more other races 3
White 216,930,975 77.1
Black or African American 36,419,434 12.9
American Indian and Alaska Native
4,119,301 1.5
Asian 11,898,828 4.2
Native Hawaiian and Other Pacific Islander 874,414 0.3
Some other race 18,521,486 6.6

HISPANIC OR LATINO AND RACE
Total population
281,421,906
100.0
Hispanic or Latino (of any race) 35,305,818 12.5
Mexican
20,640,711 7.3
Puerto Rican
3,406,178 1.2
Cuban
1,241,685 0.4
Other Hispanic or Latino
10,017,244 3.6
Not Hispanic or Latino 246,116,088 87.5 White alone
194,552,774 69.1

I might post on Brazil if you want but this post is pretty Damn big! If you want me to post it on your thread i would do so Happily, but if you want me to delete this for cramping it up, thats fine to. Nice scenario by the way:goodjob:
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Just to thow my 2 cents in on the issue, 'Black Africa' just sounds like something they would use in those old Bugs Bunny cartoons in the 40s and 50s, to show it as a mysterious and savage place. Just the name connotates some not so nice stuff. What I'm trying to say is that more than the color of the people goes along with the name.

One race 274,595,678 97.6 White
211,460,626 75.1 Black or African American

ummm theres only around 280,000,000 Americans...I think some of this info is inacurrate theres only around 40,000,000 African Americans and Hispanics now out number Blacks. Well Im not trying to steer of the subject even further but I just wanted to point this out

This is taken Directly of the site of the 2000 census, its 2 years old. but it sould read one race 274,595,678 97.6 (whatever that means) white 211,460,626 75.1 black or African american 34,658,190 12.3 heres the link.

http://factfinder.census.gov/bf/_lang=en_vt_name=DEC_2000_SF1_U_DP1_geo_id=01000US .html
Also the main point is

Race alone or in combination with one or more other races 3

White -----216,930,975 77.1
Black or African American -----36,419,434 12.9
American Indian and Alaska Native -----4,119,301 1.5
Asian -----------11,898,828 4.2
Native Hawaiian and Other Pacific Islander -----874,414 0.3
Some other race -------18,521,486 6.

I to think its weird to see Black Africa attacking me. Sounds a little weird. I agree with giffy, While it doesnt take away from the game, it would be better to be called the African Union. Since your updating it in the next version, it doesnt matter.

Im working on a Napoleonic scenario. Does anyone have a good map of Europe in 1792, with city names?

The dutch leader was 'Queen Wilhelmina'

Perhaps the African Union would be more acurate for a WW3 sen, but it doesn't represent what in this sen is represented by 'Black Africa'. Especially with Libya's Khadaffi parading around in a bid for Leader. Perhaps the sen should be changed to reflect this current African Union. (Just a thought - haven't played it yet.)

The old name for Black Africa is "Ethiopia", now used by Abyssinia. Sub-Saharan Africa is the term journalists usually use today.

huh Abyssinia is the old name. We changed it to Ethiopia around 150 years ago (Im Ethiopian) black africa was Abyssinia not Ethiopia (just needed to clear that out)

Sorry, the name "Ethiopia" was originally used as the term for lands inhabited by Black people. Originally, an Ethiopian could have been a Black person from any where in Sub-Saharan Africa. (Just neede to clear that up).

hmmm maybe thats why Ethiopians were the only black race mentioned in ancient texts like the bible

Originally posted by giffy
I agree that occasionally political correctness can go to far, but what is wrong with using more appropriate and less offensive terms for people. Like it or not the US has a long and dark history of rascism and hatred not to mention homophobia, patriarchy and a whole host of other evils. Language shapes the way that we think, calling a homosexual person a f@g or using gay to mean bad, is not only offensice, but conditions the mind to a type of thinking that is bigoted. Now I am not saying that we need ot contantly be on gaurd for political correctness, but we need ot realize that some traditions are stupid and have to go. We don't put leaches on people to cure deases and we don't inslave people. Lets also stop harming thme by the means by hich we describe them. Of cource though everyone has a free speech right, to an extent, to call people what ever they wish. It would be nie if they could escape their own little worlds though. AS for the term "BLack Africa" I am sure no offense was intended , but I am glad to see that African Union wil lbe used in the next version.

Now that I've finished pukeing my guts up over this article....

I would just like to say that if you think that the US has a racist History and that we still are talkin like it then take a look at where Europe is.... or better yet take a look at Europe's history.

If you think we're racist you'll 'bout die when you read 'bout that.

How we talk is not meant to harm sumones feelings! The way you make it sound every time an American opens his mouth he insults someone.

P.S.-Just to let you know if I was black and know everyhing I know right now I honestly might be insulted to be called African. Do you know what they do over in Africa. Read about Shaka Zulu and his reighn over his kingdom in the later years. One of my dad's friends spent several years over in Africa in the oil buisiness witnessing at the same time the complete carnage the Africans over there create. Lord they acted like eating each-ohter was normal and you were wierd if you didn't eat each-other. (oh, and I know wut your next response will probably be... "We shouldn't criticize others culture...."........Don't Even.) CASE CLOSED ON THAT

This isn't the place to talk about Racism, but to put it simply, now you have me puking My freakin guts out. To use it to justify America from 1700's-1800's Is totally useless. It doesn't compare. Although. . . Racism is everywhere, its certainly not u.s. based. And now, its almost expelled from the country, could other nations say the same? Also where did this crap come from? Bobby Lee-Lord they acted like eating each-ohter was normal and you were wierd if you didn't eat each-other.


The one thing I don’t agree with African Americans about is this 'reparation' they are asking for. What about my ancestors, who died for their freedom?

cgannon64-Whoa...what is this sudden outrage against political correctness? I sense this thread is about to be jacked!. If my post sound Over-Zealous, that would be because it is.
To bad cgannon64 didnt wait till I got here, to say that:cooool:

ok.........i see how many people argue about this scenario, if u dont really like taht.......well jsut play the original WW3 secnario........no black africa.....no problem....so dont keep this up, yall should be testing the map for other things adn enjoying it

any pictures?

try the original.......the one i made

Got a link to the orginal?

is WW3 scenario by stalin006

The Proper name for Black Africa is Sub-Saharan Africa. But this is name of the region. There is a unification movement in Africa called the African National Congress. Black Africa is OK, though. At least you included it in the mod.

The Proper name for Black Africa is Sub-Saharan Africa. But this is name of the region. There is a unification movement in Africa called the African National Congress. Black Africa is OK, though. At least you included it in the mod.

Bobby Lee, you are an idiot. You talk about the U.S. not being as racist as other nation-states, and how racism is almost non existant in america. But every entry you submitted was racist ( or atleast extremely bias ) in many ways.
You are right. The United States is not as racist as Sri Lanka, where the tamils and singhalese are at each other throats, or Bolivia where native americans are practically in slaved, but the U.S. is definetly a utopia. Every one who is not white and male has significant obsticles to over come despite equal opportunity legislation. You wont have to look hard to see exactly how racist the U.S. You do live in texas, dont you?

Alright. Im not big on posting, Im more of a obsever, But I just want to say something to "Pimp The System" You Mentioned that People who are not White Male have to face obsticals, Well. In my vision yours wrong. African Americans are getting the better of the two worlds because the "White" Folk feel bad for what they did before. Slowly The Tides are Changing and its The Black Man who gets the job, not the white man ust because the employer doesnt want to be called a Racist. Even If the White man is better, The Black Man will be hired. Not to mention, Each Company has an amount on how many Black People, and Woman they Hire. Its not about Skills anymore, Its about Color and Gender that gets you a job. So the only obstical they really face is getting over their past, After That they can play the race card and get what ever that want.

Hmm, lots of people use stalin's maps. Ill make sure to make my own when i do a WW3. good map BTW.

Oops! Didn't realize that there were two more pages of postings. My post's point is redundant.


Mod, Please delete this post.