Roster/turn order

Feydras
Balseraph

Oyzar
Amurites

Draconian
Grigori

Hawklord
khazad


Hoplosternum
Hippus

Levgree
Kuriotates

Following are descriptions of each of the civilizations, players are free to modify their civilization if they want it to have a different background, leader, etc. Just PM me the new information and I'll replace it. You also don't have to follow the descriptions that closely, like Feydras doesn't have to act completely crazy, although people probaby shouldn't put it past him....




Civ descriptions

Amurites(neutral)
The Amurites have no ancient history, no glorious empire in the Age of Magic to harken back to or trace their lineage from. In terms of civilizations, the Amurites are newcomers on the world stage. Nevertheless, they are a force to be reckoned with, feared by some, and respected by all. Part of that respect stems from the tremendous magical power the Amurite armies command, but no small part of it stems from the incredible story of their genesis.

Balseraph(evil)

It’s a nation of lies and illusions led by a madman and his daughter. All those still clinging to sanity fled long ago, and now the Balseraphs share Perpentach’s madness, living to amuse him. He goes to war on a whim and fights unpredictably, but is no less a threat for it. Despite the capriciousness of their ruler, the Balseraph cities are marvels to behold, dizzying carnivals filled with endless amusement and captivating horrors.

Grigori (neutral)
Cassiel was an angel in the service of Dagda. He spent the Age of Dragons protecting the men who hid from the might of the warring gods around them. It was his counsel that led Dagda to create and sign the Compact, but Cassiel felt the Compact did not go far enough. He wanted the gods to retreat entirely, to let the men form their own world. When the Compact allowed the gods to battle through men, Cassiel abandoned Dagda's service and began his own crusade to lead men away from a war that has little to do with them.

Hippus (neutral)
Warriors for hire, the swift moving Hippus have fought for, and against, every nation at one time or another. They are equally happy partnered with orcs as they are with men as long as they get paid.

Khazad (neutral)
Sturdy dwarves, the Khazad have finally stepped out to embrace their destiny as one of Erebus’ powers. Tradition holds them in a firm grip, but ambition draws them away from their underground homes. Steadfast in battle, in faith and in friendship, they build their empire slowly but give not an inch in trade nor warfare.

Kuriotates (good)
Cardith Lorda is a mysterious young boy with a supernatural wisdom and unmatched charisma. His dreams of building a peace and prosperity that can stand the assault of time and calamities draw men and women of all races to his teeming cities, marvels which put even the halls of the Bannor to shame. Will their unity be enough of a shield as the Kuriotates create a lasting haven, or will the savagery of their foes require ferocity in return?

where is the turn held up right now? I am guessing with Hawklord?

What do you all think of adding in a self-imposed 'rule' to not have interciv communication until the two civs have met? Obviously this wouldn't mean you can't talk to the player about stuff like sending turns on and stuff. It would just limit ingame cooperation/conflict/early mapping, etc...

where is the turn held up right now? I am guessing with Hawklord?

I think so. He replied in the other thread but I didn't quite understand what he said :D

What do you all think of adding in a self-imposed 'rule' to not have interciv communication until the two civs have met? Obviously this wouldn't mean you can't talk to the player about stuff like sending turns on and stuff. It would just limit ingame cooperation/conflict/early mapping, etc...

Sounds good. I don't like metagaming anyway.

I said played and sent last night.

gps....... Always fun getting the save 2 hours after i go to bed...

gps, finally found my capitol at turn 3, stupid Barbatos :D

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Found a burial mound and a graveyard. Seems I should get rid of the mound pronto to avoid undead problems.
Its good though, my dwarves will sharp have it flattened ;)
Probably unleash something nasty knowing my luck.

I have a burrow that my units started on.. It is still in my bfc.. Will moving a worker on it get rid of it? and when will it start spawning units?(i kinda don't feel like dying right out of the gate..).

Moving any unit on the burrow will destroy it. I don't know exactly on what turn it starts spawning those strength 4 sekeletons, but you should try to destroy it as soon as possible. The first sekeleton that spawns will stay on the burrow and defend it, making it very hard to destroy in the early game.

Our warriors have raised the mound to the ground, so we have stopped the evil from arrising in our territory. When news arrived at the capitol a big party was arranged to celebrate :beer:

Everytime I shut this down I get a splash screen from the original game left running and have to use ctrl alt del to stop it. Does this happen to everybody else?

It works just fine for me...

The ruins two tiles away from my city just spawned a lizardman. I was going to destroy them this turn :(

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The ruins two tiles away from my city just spawned a lizardman. I was going to destroy them this turn :(

Sounds like i might end up with a fast exit then as i am 3 turns away from taking out the burrow inside my city...

i know barbarians aren't aggressive this early if they start outside your borders, don't know how they'll act inside your borders though...
One time a lion ended up in my cultural borders (can't remember how) and it just left.

They are locked inside my borders until they can move... The problem is that they will stay there and accumulate until they can move at which point they will take my city(unless i manage to kill them first). Hopefully it takes longer for the barrow to start spawning skellies so i can destroy it... Strange that it wasn't destroyed from me starting on it though...

GPS... Although the barrow popped a skeleton so not sure if i'll manage to clear it before it spawns another one...

well, skellies aren't that strong, a warrior defending can beat them. It'll just be a hassle for the workers to avoid in the meantime. I have something in my borders too that I'll have to deal with...

Moved away from the barrow. Seems I found it just in time if they are starting to spawn beasties. The graveyard should be ok according to the civlopedia. It only spawns skeletons if I cast magic. Hope I read that right.:mischief:

If you pillage a graveyard you either get a tech, some gold or several barbarian skeletons are spawned.

here is a tip for scout survival...

Have them travel in pairs. This improves survivability because their visibilities assist each other so you can avoid moving into danger. Sometimes this makes both scouts safe, although sometimes only the one who moves second gets a free pass (although moving the first scout onto a forest hill is relatively safe for it).

If they actually get exp they can also specialize in defending on different tiles, also.

I like giving my scouts the mobility promotion and only using 2 movement to explore. If the scout ends up next to a hill giant or a spider he will still have 1 movement left to move back to safety.

yeah, that's the best probably. I sometimes still do the 1 movement to explore then stop, although that is obviously limited with forest and such.

You need horseback riding for that promotion though, right?

Sadly yes, so it's only really viable if you're lucky with a hut or are playing the hippus.

Where is the save?

Sent it to Hop late last night he probably hasn't had time to play it yet.
Edit. Maybe just yesterday, quarter past midnight on 21st, so maybe he has played it.

I have played it and sent it on to Levgre mid morning of the 21st....

If there has been another turn since I have not seen it....

So lets track down where the save is... My last played turn was turn 5.. Was that your last too hawklord? Did you play turn 5 hoplo? What about levgree?

Yes I played and sent turn 5

I'm confused by the labeling of turns. Last save i received was Sunday am from Levgre and the subject line labeled it "save 6 turn". The actual attached file is called "pangaea_FFA_AD-0005_to_Rastuni.Civ...".

I played my turn and sent it on the same morning and the file was then labeled "pangaea_FFA_AD-0005_to_oyzar.Civ...".

I assume this is because we played a turn that started at AD 0000 but it would be easier for me to remember if we referred to the file by the name the game assigns it. Something like AD5 or AD 0005 if you prefer.

Anyway, i just checked and i played and sent out the last turn i received.

- J

There isn't actually any AD in FFH, thats just a misstake from the naming convention... The first turn was turn 0 so we are currently at turn 5. Obviously the save is stuck at Levgre if hoplo played and you haven't gotten it yet.

nah, it is not stuck with me. I played AD5 and sent it to Feydras.
I have not recieved AD6 yet.

hmmm something is weird here... perhaps I have a save I haven't played yet. I will try to figure it out.

Well given that Feydras is first on the turn he should have gotten 0005 and sent 0006... I have not gotten 0006 yet..(though it might be at levgree the numbers are changing)...

ah, okay. I got mixed up because I sent turn 5, so I was expecting to get a turn 6.

However, since I am last in the turn order I still both send and receive a turn 5, right after having played on turn 4. So I looked at Hop's E-mail with an 005 and assumed I had already played it, because to figure out if I had I looked at what the last one I had sent was.

Save will be sent shortly...


It is also strange that the e-mail was opened so it didn't look new, as I'd always play a save the first time I opened an e-mail so that is partly how I kept track. I'm thinking I clicked on the yahoo messenger pop up for a new e-mail message, and then closed it real quick.



So, I will be labeling all the e-mails by the AD number now, instead of turn, to keep things less confusing for myself and others ;p

Do barbs attack this early? I just had a lizardman move to the edge of my borders... I thought there was a grace period but now I am worried.

I thought they attacked earlier on raging barbs but i don't think it is this early...

Well I don't know about quick speed as I always play on epic in SP. But on epic barbarians start attacking as soon as they spawn.

They don't go into cultural borders is what levgree ment...

I know, I never saw barbarians staying out of cultural borders on epic, they enter them as soon as they spawn. Even those from Ruins/Burrows or those summoned by Barbatos.

Sweet popping a tech from a hut, even though it was halfway researched already.. Hopefully i'll manage to deal with this barb menace inside my borders before it kills me...

Aha a hut. Maybe I should leave it if Oyzar just got a tech. Have to think about that. I'm glad my dwarf tripped over that barrow when he did. Sounds like he avoided a lot of trouble. Maybe we should have another party to double celebrate.
Yet again lets see who lives in this village before celebrating too much. They might be angry and cause some trouble.

phew. The Lizardman attacked my warrior in the woods, across the river. I think he would have went for my city otherwise... which I would've had a single scout defending.

4 strength - 20% city attack = 3.2 against

2 strength + 25% on hill + 10% culture +5% fortify = 2.8

Not sure about the bonus against barbarians, but it would've been close.

I just gps

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Goody there was a lot of rich folk in the village who paid us lots of gold. Always interesting to us dwarves is gold. :gold:

Well having read what was posted I decided to investigate the two barrows I had close by. The only Barb I have seen so far is a rather large Sea Serpent of some kind.

Turn sent to Levgree....

Sea serpents are nasty but thankfully, confined to the sea. Yeah, i'd definitely raze those barrows as skeletons are pretty tough. Not as annoying as lizardmen but still tough.

phew. The Lizardman attacked my warrior in the woods, across the river. I think he would have went for my city otherwise... which I would've had a single scout defending.

4 strength - 20% city attack = 3.2 against

2 strength + 25% on hill + 10% culture +5% fortify = 2.8

Not sure about the bonus against barbarians, but it would've been close.

Lurker comment:

there isn't a vs barbarian bonus in FFH2, and Lizardmen start with the amphibious promotion, so don't count on the river crossing bonus ;)

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Spotted a wolf in a distant forest. But it doesn't look too tough. Might find out soon though I think it spotted my dwarf on the hill.

Another day, another barrow, this was also guarded by a skeleton.. Guess i need to get some troops to fight them rather quick if i want to have a chance to expand...

I'll be out of town for 9 days starting tonight. I should have some spotty internet connection though and will play whenever i can. Hopefully it won't slow the game down too much.

Another day, another barrow, this was also guarded by a skeleton.. Guess i need to get some troops to fight them rather quick if i want to have a chance to expand...

Once you get the godking civic you can easily pop out a warrior every turn. That seems to me the most "convenient" and accessible way to do it.

Spotted another village.
The wolf has gone, but where is it?

gps... Don't think goodking will help all that much unfortunatly..

Found more gold in this village, must be a mine around here somewhere. No sign of that wolf, must be hiding in the fog.

In 26 hours I will be away for a week and my stupid notebook is still in repair. As I can't take my desktop PC with me, I'll probably be unable to play for that week.
Would someone be willing to take over my civ (Grigori) until I'm back? Research path is already set, all you have to do is exploring with the scout and pressing Return to end the turn.

In 26 hours I will be away for a week and my stupid notebook is still in repair. As I can't take my desktop PC with me, I'll probably be unable to play for that week.
Would someone be willing to take over my civ (Grigori) until I'm back? Research path is already set, all you have to do is exploring with the scout and pressing Return to end the turn.

Would be best if we could just get someone to sub for you...

I PMed the password for my civ to Levgre, it would probably be best if the player right after or right before me takes over until I'm back as that would mean one less mail/turn.

I take it this one is now stuck with Draconian despite his instructions? Maybe someone from game 2 (who isn't in game one) could play his turn to get this moving if Levgre doesn't want to play his turn or ask someone else in the game to do so?

I haven't got any e-mails with anyone's turns.

Hmm it might be with Oyzar. So Oyzar, you can send me the turn for Draconian.

I've got a slight delay here too. I am on holiday but have bought a laptop so I can keep connected. Trouble is I will have to download all of the patches and files for this. Going to be a couple of days before I can get everything in place what with day trips and the like.

I am having a major problem gettin Civ 4 to run on Vista. It won't take any of the patches without breaking down. BTS won't go in at all. Any suggestions would be appreciated.
Otherwise its gonna be another week before I can play my turn.

Chose run the file as administrator(you need to do this even if you are logged in as admin), i think(could also give all rights on all files to all users..). Looks like alot of people have problem with civ and vista though..

So, where is the game stuck right now? Last turn i played was AD11, got it and sent it out on 7/29.

I have the save. But I can't play it until I resolve the issues with civ 4 and vista or go back home from holiday and play it on my desktop which runs XP and has no problems. So asap or at latest 17th August.

Hawklord - what turn do you have? You remarked on finding gold on 7/30 which should have been after i played my turn AD11 on 7/29. That's why i assumed it was past you already.

There is a lot of info on making FFH compatible with Vista in the FFH forums. I believe it is a simple fix and easy to find. Shouldn't take long to get it working.

I'm back. Did I miss a turn or was the game stuck anyway because of the vista problem?

Trouble is I haven't got as far as FFH yet. I can't get BtS working. Eventually got civ 4 to work by patching 1 at a time. Going straight to 1.7 didn't work. Now I can't gey BtS to load, it comes up with an error everytime I try to load it.

have turn 11

Where are we with this one? Other than hopelessly stalled.... ;)

Are the Vista problems over? Is it holidays? Everyone just forgotten this one?

We are basically all waiting for hawklord.. If he can't fix his problems i suggest he get a substitute until he can play again...

Hawklord said at the latest it would be 8/17 so the turn should be moving by now.

Right I'm back
I got Civ 4 and BtS to patch and work but I couldn't get the FfH download via the mobile broadband.
Anyway I have looked at the save and its one I already played. I was expecting turn 12 as I sent 11 before I left.
Can you send the right one or do you need me to resend turn !!?

..must fight urge to strangle someone...

I wrote 12 days ago that judging by your post it looked like you had already played and passed on the current AD 11 turn. If so, then where is the thing? Maybe you, Hawklord, should just resend the AD 11 turn and we can go from there.

ok will resend when i get home

resent save to Hop

Sent the save to Hawklord, looks like the game is running again :)

I sent turn AD 12 to Ozyar on the 20th. Anyone seen it on the 21st or later?

yes I have seen it :)
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Turn sent....

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After some problems with my new installed OS i finally managed to play my turn. Oh btw why doesn't people change their names to their nicks instead of just the leader name?

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2 skeletons now, lets see if i live to see next turn... Also popped a tech from a hut right before the eyes of levgree which was really nice :D

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4 hp's left on my warrior with 2 hits left to kill the skeleton, but my warrior survived(as is evident by me still being in the game:)).

quite close... what were the odds for the whole battle?

12.5% chance to die...

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i have sent turn 42
not sure if it got out of our stupid mailserver.
maybe i forgot
anyway sent it again just in case
How hard are giant turtles?

gps
built a worker but he cant do anything yet
Doh! :wallbash:

Agriculture rocks...

Just a reminder to folks for as the game progresses. If you start to do very poorly and want to quit you can retire, i think it is Alt Q. I'm not encouraging anyone to do this but i'd much rather have people do this than have the game hang on someone who is almost killed off and has lost the will to play. That's the danger of pbem games.

My second warrior got out and i attacked the single skeleton first with the unpromoted warrior dealing a lousy 16 hp of damamge.. uh oh.. This left 51.5% chance of the second warrior... Being that the barrow was on one of the few irrigable tiles in my bfc i figured it was worth it to kill it instead of using it to generate free xp.
And i won!

wait... wouldn't you have died if you lost that 2nd battle? Or did you have another warrior coming.

A single skeleton won't attack a city.. It'll defend the barrow instead...

yeah, but it's possible a 2nd could spawn, if it spawned the next turn it could attack the turn after.

Sure... But it doesn't take long to build a warrior(3 turns)

definately glad I eliminated my barrow before any spawning occured, sounds like a nightmare this early. But hey you can destroy the pesky thing now.
gps

Week since last save, did this die? Should be 6-7 turns per week, not 1...

So where's the save? I got the last mail 6 days ago.

I sent turn 20 on the 11th.

I am guessing feydras is keeping things up as i've talked with both hoplo and levgree not long ago..

Weird though, i got the turn in game 3 on the 13th from levgree and sent it to feydras and recived it again today... So obviously feydras must have played sometime after the 11th...

I sent turn 20 on to Levgree on the 11th. I have resent it in case it didn't arrive the first time.

hmm I sent AD 21 to pheydras on the 11th...

Now in both e-mails Hop sent me they are AD 20, so I am pretty sure it is not on me.

It's not me. My email log shows...

I recieved Turn 21 from Levre on 9/10 at 11:37pm.
I sent Turn 21 to oystein (Oyzar i believe) on 9/11 at 9:02am.

Times PST in the USA.

I will resend it now though.

How can you send turn 21 before people sent turn 20? Some things are weird here...

At any rate i resent turn 21...

I didn't recieve turn 21 before. Looks like the game is running again.

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gps turn 22

gps, this is raging barbs when do the neverstopping hordes start? Or are they not that bad on this level?

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My computer just stopped working so i am not sure when i'll be able to play ffh again(probably like a week)... would be nice if someone could take my turns or something, if not you'll have to wait.

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Real sorry to hear about your computer Oyzar. That stinks. I just sent the turn to you. If you get a sub let me know the email and i can pass the turn onto them.

hey guys,if you need a sub check my thread http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=291894 if am cool pm me

cheers

What's happening with this game?
do we need a sub?

obviously getting my computer fixed got a little delay, hopefully done by monday or tuesday... Should have gotten a sub when it first went on repair though...

finally got my comp fixed, gps

good job
must have been frustrating
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Bad plan, got a useless worker who's axe isn't sharp enough to cut down trees. Trouble is I'm surrounded by trees. :(

My worker could improve a grand total of 2 tiles, but still nice as i'll get more tiles i can improve later on...

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we found a witch in our city.
Being an alturistic leader I stopped the people burning her :)
Plus an extra happy face for ten turns isn't much use at the moment. ;) maybe next time she will burn :devil:

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GP but not sent.
Had some trouble with my internet last night and it crashed while sending the save. It looks like it wasn't sent so I will have to resend tonight.

sent again to hop

Sent on....

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We have met a bunch of men with purple belts. They seem friendly enough so we warn them of a large group of lions of to the south. Just to be friendly.

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my combat 5 scout was killed by an evil skeleton :(

That is why you should put those promos on warriors instead ;) but yeah it sucks... Eventually you will lose those highly promoted guys...

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my combat 1 warrior just killed a lizardman ;p pretty lucky, 67% odds for the lizard I think. So now he is combat 2.

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Looks like my combat 3 warriors might meet the end of his luck this turn, too many barbs around in all directions...

combat 3 warriors are pretty tough. He may yet live.. good luck.

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I think we're stuck again.

I think we're stuck again.

I don't.. It normaly takes 2-3 days for hawklord to do his turn from when i send it...

Don't blame me. I sent turn 35 yesterday. Normally doesn't take 2-3 days except weekends when I go back to Newcastle as I always have loads to do.

It is stuck at either hoplo or levgree then. I talked with hoplo yesterday and saw levgree play in a pitboss game, so not sure why it would be stuck...

I haven't received the next turn. Last time i recieved a turn was on the 10th, then I sent it to feydras the same day.

Sent wrong save last night. got two games mixed up, have resent :blush:

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My scout just saw some big butch guy with a hoodie. Luckily he was looking the other way so he ran off into the woods. What is it? Looked scary :eek:
gps

I've got the game but unfortunately i wasn't thinking and deleted off this old version of the mod from my desktop. I may have the right version on my laptop, gotta check. Otherwise does anyone have the version of this mod we are using for this game. I think it was .32, don't know the patch.. If someone has this where they could host it and i could snag it i would appreciate it!

Sorry for the slowdown!

I could send it to you on msn or something...

Looks like i'll need that. It wasn't on my laptop and i couldn't find a version of .32 by searching the forums. I'll need the .32 mod and the latest patch we are using.

How do i get it through msn. I'm not sure what you mean but thanks for the offer to help. What do i do?

Back in business. Modded and patched up. gps.