In conjunction (sorta) with that online poll about who the greatest Russian was, I will post this :D

Skobelev. He was just cool.

Valentineshkov (sp?????) - V. Tereshkova
Solyzstein (sp???) - Who is this? Solzhenitsyn may be?

Strange poll. Why it's not possible to vote for several people?
And where is Pushkin and Lomonosov? :mad:

I don;t knwo much about Russia. If you're Russian, vote in the real thing :lol:

Solyzstein (sp???) - Who is this? Solzhenitsyn may be?
Yeah, think so. Does it count if they leave Russia? :p

Yeah. Solyzstein = Solzhenitsyn.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f2/Rasputin_Photo.jpg/755px-Rasputin_Photo.jpg

Rasputin's the coolest!

Stalin. Even though he was a homicidal evil tyrant who murdered millions of people (even mostly for rapid industrialization) The people loved him anyway. You cant buy that kinda power.

Stalin is Georgian.

My vote goes for Laika.

Can't beat the first man in space!

err that's first mammal in space :)

I don;t knwo much about Russia. If you're Russian, vote in the real thing :lol:

:( :cry:

It is quite clearly Dmitri Shostakovich.

Mikhail Gorbachev. The guy had the guts to do what had to be done, and at relatively little blood spilled he basically collapsed the Soviet Union that he knew and he recognized to be the decrepit state it was. I'm sure he had some hopes that he would retain power in a post-Communist Russia, but he risked the chance he would not. Compared to other Russian HoS that are basically authoritarian tyrants, this was a radical change.

Lenin. Stalin wasnt even Russian.

Stalin is Georgian.

Catherine the Great is German then.

Mikhail Kalashnikov

Mikhail Kalashnikov

I agree with this.He is the biggest supporter of terrorism.In AK-47 we trust!

I like Mendeleev. He was a man of people, a genius, and without him modern chemistry, biochemistry, nuclear physics, etc. would not exist.

Ivan Asimov is a Russian , isn't he ?

Isaac Asimov. And yes.

I am ashamed.

^^why?????

He spelled Isaac as Ivan.

Is there a reason most people aren't saying Peter the Great? From what I read, he was one of the best. Could someone explain why he wasn't good?

He was mad.

O RLY? PtG haz teh moast votez.

Could someone explain why he wasn't good?

He did make Russia an European superpower, but, like usual, he was capable of quite tyrannical actions too.

Well, Pushkin is the classical response, but, since I dislike to vote "other", and I wanted to give Russian writers some recognition, I picked Dostoyevsky. A great writer, through I disagree with some of his political views.

o hai i iz pck teh m3nd3ll33v lulz

Alexander Suvorov.

I voted Peter the Great, for beginning the great westernization.

Catherine the Great is German then.

Was this ever in question?

Sergej Eisenstein.

Is there a reason most people aren't saying Peter the Great? From what I read, he was one of the best. Could someone explain why he wasn't good?
Screwing up the succession late in life wasn't so hot. And the Azov campaigns, while assisting Russian modernization, didn't really make a strategic dent; the Turk still controlled the Kerch Strait. I mean, Pete was awesome, but he wasn't unbelievably awesome like Skobelev and the below-mentioned Suvorov.
Alexander Suvorov.
Ah yes, Skobelev's equal. Excellent choice, sir!

I voted for Ivan IV. I also think Svyatoslav Igorevich was awesome.
BTW. Satanical bastards "Stalin" and "Trotsky" weren't Russians.

Isaac Asimov FTW :)

I voted for Ivan IV. I also think Svyatoslav Igorevich was awesome.
BTW. Satanical bastards "Stalin" and "Trotsky" weren't Russians.
Wait, CFC doesn't block ba***rds? ...

Stalin IMHO

I like Mendeleev.

Stalin IMHO

Qualify your response or these threads are no fun :p

I think as a Communist you should hate the guy. Kind of threw Russia offtrack as far as international communism (Stalin was kinda isolationist) and heroics at Stalingrad and Moscow would not have been necessary without Stalin's endless paranoia and meddling in the Red Army.

Lenin, even though he did his fair share of murdering and had arguable loyalty to the communist cause (as opposed to the cause of whatever furthered his own power), had his accomplishments. I can't really find Stalin's.

Wait, CFC doesn't block ba***rds? ...

Obviously not. :rolleyes:

Censors check for specific letter combinations, not mispellings or context changes.

Mikhail Gorbachev. The guy had the guts to do what had to be done, and at relatively little blood spilled he basically collapsed the Soviet Union that he knew and he recognized to be the decrepit state it was.

Actually his intention was to save the Soviet Union. Judging by his own intentions, he's an epic failure.

Actually his intention was to save the Soviet Union. Judging by his own intentions, he's an epic failure.

I'm glad someone understands history. :)

Actually his intention was to save the Soviet Union. Judging by his own intentions, he's an epic failure.
Here lied and unfunny joke.

You talking like that is neither cool nor funny. Grow up.

I was trying (and failing) to be sarcastic about Maniac's use of Epic Failure.

Eliezer Ben-Yehuda

Was this ever in question?

No. But maybe some people didnt know. I myself am fine with Stalin and Cathy on the list though.

I was trying (and failing) to be sarcastic about Maniac's use of Epic Failure.

I doubt he meant it in an internet meme context.

I'm bad at stuff like that, I withdraw my comment.

Eliezer Ben-Yehuda
Not a Russian.

No. But maybe some people didnt know. I myself am fine with Stalin and Cathy on the list though.

Not Russians.

But most of their impact was in Russia. Napoleon was technically Italian (or Corsican) but most of his impact was in France. Hitler was technically Austrian, but most of his impact was in Germany. Fujimori was technically Japanese, but most of his impact was in Peru.

But most of their impact was in Russia. Napoleon was technically Italian (or Corsican) but most of his impact was in France. Hitler was technically Austrian, but most of his impact was in Germany. Fujimori was technically Japanese, but most of his impact was in Peru.
They're still not Russians.

But do you at least understand, if not agree with, the reason why I put them in the poll?

Lenin. Stalin wasnt even Russian.

Well Lenin was a jewish tatar.

Isaac Asimov. And yes.

He was a jew.

But most of their impact was in Russia. Napoleon was technically Italian (or Corsican) but most of his impact was in France. Hitler was technically Austrian, but most of his impact was in Germany. Fujimori was technically Japanese, but most of his impact was in Peru.

This poll is about "greatest russian leaders" not about biggest impact in Russia.

He was a jew.
Shows what I know :blush:

This poll is about "greatest russian leaders" not about biggest impact in Russia.

But Stalin was from the Russian Empire, as was Lenin, and Catherine was Queen of Russia. Ergo, there deserve to be included in a "greatest Russian" poll. You wouldn't say that John McCain is Panamanian, now would you? Just because the country lost that territory doesn't mean that the people weren't born under that country. Stalin was born in Georgia, but then it was Russia, ergo he's Russian.

But Stalin was from the Russian Empire, as was Lenin, and Catherine was Queen of Russia. Ergo, there deserve to be included in a "greatest Russian" poll. You wouldn't say that John McCain is Panamanian, now would you? Just because the country lost that territory doesn't mean that the people weren't born under that country. Stalin was born in Georgia, but then it was Russia, ergo he's Russian.

So Gandhi was born in British empire, ergo he is british, and CIV 4 is an idiot game because consider him Indian.

No, the fault in the Civ games concerning that is that they even have Gandhi as a political leader.

I'm glad someone understands history. :)

Gorbachev could have easily done what his predecessors did and saved his own arse while the USSR straggled on for another 30 years.

I thought he was a great Russian for pushing reforms and pushing change when he was not required and when it likely would have been much less stressful on himself to do so. His reforms crumbled the USSR, brought about the return of his rival in Yeltsin, and threw him from power...but he knew the risks and for the good of Russia it had to be done anyway. I take the less cynical route in analyzing him, I don't think he did it to preserve the old order (the older Stalin-esque, Brezhnev-esque order, not Communism as a whole) or his own power but to really bring lasting change to the people.

In the loooong history of Russian tyrants, Gorbachev was a refreshing change. What is there I don't understand?

This poll is about "greatest russian leaders" not about biggest impact in Russia.

Well the phrase "greatest Russian leader" could mean both "greatest leader from Russia" or "greatest leader of Russians," so it coul concievably include non-ethnic or non-national Russians. Just the same, it could also include expatriate Russians.

Well the phrase "greatest Russian leader" could mean both "greatest leader from Russia" or "greatest leader of Russians," so it coul concievably include non-ethnic or non-national Russians. Just the same, it could also include expatriate Russians.

Sure, but nowhere in the OP nor in the thread title does it say "greatest russian leader"

It says "greatest russian"

Having said that, just because you weren't born in Russia doesn't mean that you can't be the greatest Russian. I wasn't born in Canada, and I'm one of the greatest Canadians.

Gorbachev could have easily done what his predecessors did and saved his own arse while the USSR straggled on for another 30 years.

I thought he was a great Russian for pushing reforms and pushing change when he was not required and when it likely would have been much less stressful on himself to do so. His reforms crumbled the USSR, brought about the return of his rival in Yeltsin, and threw him from power...but he knew the risks and for the good of Russia it had to be done anyway. I take the less cynical route in analyzing him, I don't think he did it to preserve the old order (the older Stalin-esque, Brezhnev-esque order, not Communism as a whole) or his own power but to really bring lasting change to the people.

In the loooong history of Russian tyrants, Gorbachev was a refreshing change. What is there I don't understand?


From the Soviet - amoralistic point of view he was a traitor and the worst leader of the Soviet empire. He basically destroyed the Soviet-Russian empire not only in hopes of democratic reform but by attempting it. And then not being able to stop that process. The one who destroyed USSR was Gorbachev and for that he must be praised.

Which is good by our moral standards. Stalin ,the incarnation of Caesar and many non modern people would judge him harshly.

However i also judge him as a bad leader attempting something good. He didn't think that all the nations that where subjects to the Russians would decide to leave.

I believe there are always to both attempt democratic -economic reforms and suppress opposite opinions on national issues that would lead to rebellions. Which is a compromise but a necessary if you don't wish a total collapse. At the rate he was attepting reforms he was losing the power to control the situation.

Now thankfully USSR did fall but how should we judge Gorbachev ? I would change the bad to an average , leader who succeded at good things although they where a byproduct of the collapsement of the state he was in charge of.

Thankfully the USSR did collapse

But do you at least understand, if not agree with, the reason why I put them in the poll?
I understand your reasons, but they just can't be greatest Russians. Even if they are, they're nowhere near Ivan IV.

Ivan the IV did what to be so great?

Ivan the IV did what to be so great?
Beat up on Tatars. Along with Ivan III and Vasiliy III, he helped centralize the disparate grouping of Russian states under the Muscovite banner and was the first "Tsar of All Russia". There are also oprichnina fanboys who like him too. :p

Stalin and Catherine II were not, strictly speaking, Russian.

We already went over this. WE KNOW!

Peter the great was the best. No Peter no Russian empire :)

Beat up on Tatars. Along with Ivan III and Vasiliy III, he helped centralize the disparate grouping of Russian states under the Muscovite banner and was the first "Tsar of All Russia". There are also oprichnina fanboys who like him too. :p
Plus he was pretty harsh of oligarchs (16c version of them), and all other leeches.

Anyone who lived in the soviet union at the time of Gorbachev his "reforms" brought things like food lines and made a bad situation even worse and he brought in the Yeltsin who was probable just as bad or worse of leader then he was.

We already went over this. WE KNOW!

Sorry. Didn't mean to offend anybody.

No it's okay.

I consider Peter greater than Ivan IV. Mainly because Ivy simply expanded russia's borders, whilst Peter also reformed and modernized Russia.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f2/Rasputin_Photo.jpg/755px-Rasputin_Photo.jpg

Rasputin's the coolest!

Iww. He is not the coolest. Whoa. Lots of misspelling there. Why not put Zakharov in the list????? Or the one who inspired the creators of SMAC to make him, Andrei Sakharov? What about that guy who stars as the main character in the Night Watch trilogy?

why isnt Ivan Drago on the list?

Who???? :D

Captain Danko!

http://www.ixbt.com/dvd/films/schwarz/6.jpg

Who???? :D

http://ivanitoweb.webcindario.com/imagenes/ivan-drago.jpg

Come on, man. Rocky IV?

http://ivanitoweb.webcindario.com/imagenes/ivan-drago.jpg

Come on, man. Rocky IV?

But he is fictional character :mad:

Here's an interesting article about Ivan IV.:http://www.rusjournal.com/lecture13.html

Peter the Great. Why is Yeltsin in this poll?

Peter the Great. Why is Yeltsin in this poll?


People who arent from Russia think he was great.

People who arent from Russia think he was great.

I doubt that.

People who arent from Russia think he was great.

That includes you then, I suppose?

That includes you then, I suppose?

OK, add in some at the start of the sentence. Point is, As far as I can see he far more hgihly regarded outside Russia than in.

I don't think that more then 2% of russians has a positive opinion of Yeltsin.