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Settings:

Victory Condition: Cultural (though all victory conditions must be enabled)
Difficulty: Noble
Starting Era: Ancient
Map Size: Standard
Map Type: Any
Speed: Normal
Civ: Greece (Pericles)
Opponents: Any
Version: 3.13.001
Date: 25th July to 10th August 2008
Must not play as Inca.

The earliest finish date wins, with score as a tiebreaker

I assume that the best scores are to be found by fast domination? That's what it looks like - how is score figured in Civ IV? Vaguely similar to civ III, where it's based on people and territory?

Um, isn't this Cultural, not Domination?

oops. Wrong thread. heck, I can't even play this one (i'm vanilla)

Well that sucks. I just submitted this very game setting about a month ago. I shoulda waited! :D

It's okay. This is an easy game so you can do it again.

And that's what I'm doing actually. I'll get a gauntlet and new map type slot out of it. :)

I wonder, if any1 is playing this gauntlet and what's the best date until now ...

Ok - here's my current submission. It's a 1620AD finish. My goal was a phalanx-rush, then research for Odeon and then standard culture game with 9 cities.

Here's the begin of the log and if you want a better summary than the one above just ask :)


New Log Entries
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Turn 0/500 (4000 BC) [03-Aug-2008 14:01:42]

Turn 1/500 (3960 BC) [03-Aug-2008 14:02:08]
Athens founded
Athens begins: Worker (12 turns)
Research begun: Mining (7 Turns)

Turn 2/500 (3920 BC) [03-Aug-2008 14:02:19]
Tech learned: Mysticism
Tribal village results: technology

Turn 3/500 (3880 BC) [03-Aug-2008 14:02:26]
Athens's borders expand
Tribal village results: a little gold

Turn 4/500 (3840 BC) [03-Aug-2008 14:02:31]

Turn 5/500 (3800 BC) [03-Aug-2008 14:02:35]

Turn 6/500 (3760 BC) [03-Aug-2008 14:02:40]

Turn 7/500 (3720 BC) [03-Aug-2008 14:02:43]
Contact made: Indian Empire
Tech learned: Mining
Buddhism founded in a distant land

Turn 8/500 (3680 BC) [03-Aug-2008 14:02:49]
Research begun: Bronze Working (12 Turns)
Tribal village results: a little gold
State Religion Change: Gandhi(India) from 'no State Religion' to 'Buddhism'

Turn 9/500 (3640 BC) [03-Aug-2008 14:02:55]

Turn 10/500 (3600 BC) [03-Aug-2008 14:02:59]

Turn 11/500 (3560 BC) [03-Aug-2008 14:03:02]

Turn 12/500 (3520 BC) [03-Aug-2008 14:03:07]
Athens finishes: Worker

Turn 13/500 (3480 BC) [03-Aug-2008 14:03:09]
Athens begins: Barracks (25 turns)

Turn 14/500 (3440 BC) [03-Aug-2008 14:03:19]

Turn 15/500 (3400 BC) [03-Aug-2008 14:03:22]

Turn 16/500 (3360 BC) [03-Aug-2008 14:03:25]
Hinduism founded in a distant land

Turn 17/500 (3320 BC) [03-Aug-2008 14:03:27]
A Mine was built near Athens

Turn 18/500 (3280 BC) [03-Aug-2008 14:03:30]
Contact made: American Empire

Turn 19/500 (3240 BC) [03-Aug-2008 14:03:38]
Tech learned: Bronze Working

Turn 20/500 (3200 BC) [03-Aug-2008 14:03:42]
Research begun: The Wheel (7 Turns)
Athens grows: 2

Turn 21/500 (3160 BC) [03-Aug-2008 14:03:56]

Turn 22/500 (3120 BC) [03-Aug-2008 14:04:05]
A Mine was built near Athens

Turn 23/500 (3080 BC) [03-Aug-2008 14:04:10]

Turn 24/500 (3040 BC) [03-Aug-2008 14:04:16]
Tech learned: The Wheel

Turn 25/500 (3000 BC) [03-Aug-2008 14:04:20]
Tribal village results: a little gold
Research begun: Pottery (5 Turns)
Athens's borders expand

Turn 26/500 (2960 BC) [03-Aug-2008 14:04:36]
Civics Change: HolyHandGrenade(Greece) from 'Tribalism' to 'Slavery'

Turn 27/500 (2920 BC) [03-Aug-2008 14:04:52]

Turn 28/500 (2880 BC) [03-Aug-2008 14:04:58]

Turn 29/500 (2840 BC) [03-Aug-2008 14:05:03]

Turn 30/500 (2800 BC) [03-Aug-2008 14:05:21]
Athens grows: 3

Turn 31/500 (2760 BC) [03-Aug-2008 14:05:24]
Tech learned: Pottery
Athens finishes: Barracks

Turn 32/500 (2720 BC) [03-Aug-2008 14:05:33]
Research begun: Writing (8 Turns)
Athens begins: Warrior (3 turns)
A Mine was built

Turn 33/500 (2680 BC) [03-Aug-2008 14:05:43]

Turn 34/500 (2640 BC) [03-Aug-2008 14:05:55]
Athens finishes: Warrior

Turn 35/500 (2600 BC) [03-Aug-2008 14:06:01]
Athens begins: Granary (12 turns)

Turn 36/500 (2560 BC) [03-Aug-2008 14:06:15]
Athens begins: Phalanx (7 turns)

Turn 37/500 (2520 BC) [03-Aug-2008 14:06:38]

Turn 38/500 (2480 BC) [03-Aug-2008 14:06:47]
Tech learned: Writing

Turn 39/500 (2440 BC) [03-Aug-2008 14:06:54]
Research begun: Alphabet (18 Turns)

Turn 40/500 (2400 BC) [03-Aug-2008 14:07:04]
Athens finishes: Phalanx

Turn 41/500 (2360 BC) [03-Aug-2008 14:07:13]
Athens begins: Phalanx (7 turns)

Turn 42/500 (2320 BC) [03-Aug-2008 14:07:26]
Athens grows: 4

Turn 43/500 (2280 BC) [03-Aug-2008 14:07:36]
HolyHandGrenade(Greece) declares war on Gandhi(India)
While attacking in the wild near Bombay, Phalanx defeats (5.00/5): Indian Fast Worker (Prob Victory: 8.3%)
Attitude Change: Gandhi(India) towards HolyHandGrenade(Greece), from 'Cautious' to 'Annoyed'

Turn 44/500 (2240 BC) [03-Aug-2008 14:07:57]
A Cottage was built near Athens
Athens finishes: Phalanx
While defending in the wild, Scout loses to: Indian Warrior (0.80/2) (Prob Victory: 4.4%)

Turn 45/500 (2200 BC) [03-Aug-2008 14:08:13]
Athens begins: Phalanx (7 turns)
Phalanx promoted: City Raider I
While attacking in Indian territory at Bombay, Phalanx defeats (5.00/5): Indian Warrior (Prob Victory: 96.6%)
Buddhism has spread: Bombay
Captured Bombay (Gandhi)
Bombay begins: Library (91 turns)

Turn 46/500 (2160 BC) [03-Aug-2008 14:08:53]

Turn 47/500 (2120 BC) [03-Aug-2008 14:09:12]

Turn 48/500 (2080 BC) [03-Aug-2008 14:09:37]

Turn 49/500 (2040 BC) [03-Aug-2008 14:09:57]
A Cottage was built near Athens
Athens finishes: Phalanx

Turn 50/500 (2000 BC) [03-Aug-2008 14:10:37]
Athens begins: Library (9 turns)
While attacking in Indian territory at Vijayanagara, Phalanx defeats (3.60/5): Indian Warrior (Prob Victory: 99.1%)
Captured Vijayanagara (Gandhi)
Razed Vijayanagara
Vijayanagara lost
Indian Empire has been eliminated
Bombay's borders expand

Turn 51/500 (1960 BC) [03-Aug-2008 14:11:13]
Phalanx promoted: City Raider II
Tech learned: Alphabet

Turn 52/500 (1920 BC) [03-Aug-2008 14:11:46]
Research begun: Masonry (3 Turns)
Tech learned: Animal Husbandry
Bombay finishes: Library

Turn 53/500 (1880 BC) [03-Aug-2008 14:12:51]
Bombay begins: Warrior (2 turns)
A Cottage was built near Athens
A Hamlet was built near Athens
Bombay finishes: Warrior
Judaism founded in a distant land

Turn 54/500 (1840 BC) [03-Aug-2008 14:13:24]
Bombay begins: Granary (8 turns)
Tech learned: Masonry

Turn 55/500 (1800 BC) [03-Aug-2008 14:14:14]
Research begun: Mathematics (9 Turns)
Bombay begins: The Pyramids (32 turns)
Athens finishes: Library

Turn 56/500 (1760 BC) [03-Aug-2008 14:14:51]
Athens begins: Granary (7 turns)

Turn 57/500 (1720 BC) [03-Aug-2008 14:15:40]
Tech learned: Agriculture

Turn 58/500 (1680 BC) [03-Aug-2008 14:16:18]
A Hamlet was built near Athens
Civics Change: Roosevelt(America) from 'Tribalism' to 'Slavery'

Turn 59/500 (1640 BC) [03-Aug-2008 14:16:33]
HolyHandGrenade(Greece) declares war on Roosevelt(America)
Bombay grows: 3
Attitude Change: Roosevelt(America) towards HolyHandGrenade(Greece), from 'Cautious' to 'Annoyed'

Turn 60/500 (1600 BC) [03-Aug-2008 14:17:14]
Athens finishes: Granary
Bombay's borders expand

Turn 61/500 (1560 BC) [03-Aug-2008 14:17:45]
Athens begins: Worker (30 turns)
While attacking in American territory at Washington, Phalanx defeats (2.75/5): American Warrior (Prob Victory: 97.0%)
Captured Washington (Roosevelt)
Washington begins: Library (91 turns)
While attacking in Greek territory at Washington, Phalanx defeats (5.00/5): American Worker (Prob Victory: 97.0%)

Turn 62/500 (1520 BC) [03-Aug-2008 14:19:35]
While attacking in the wild at Washington, Phalanx defeats (2.75/5): American Worker (Prob Victory: 97.0%)
While attacking in American territory at Boston, Phalanx defeats (5.00/5): American Warrior (Prob Victory: 99.1%)
Captured Boston (Roosevelt)
American Empire has been eliminated
Athens begins: Settler (50 turns)
Tech learned: Mathematics

Turn 63/500 (1480 BC) [03-Aug-2008 14:21:18]
Research begun: Construction (10 Turns)
A Farm was built near Athens
Bombay grows: 4

Turn 64/500 (1440 BC) [03-Aug-2008 14:22:31]
Phalanx promoted: City Raider I
Phalanx promoted: City Raider II

Turn 65/500 (1400 BC) [03-Aug-2008 14:22:47]
A Pasture was built near Bombay

Turn 66/500 (1360 BC) [03-Aug-2008 14:23:05]

Turn 67/500 (1320 BC) [03-Aug-2008 14:24:08]

Turn 68/500 (1280 BC) [03-Aug-2008 14:24:19]
Bombay grows: 5
Washington grows: 3

Turn 69/500 (1240 BC) [03-Aug-2008 14:24:28]
Athens finishes: Settler
Washington's borders expand
Boston grows: 2
Boston's borders expand

Turn 70/500 (1200 BC) [03-Aug-2008 14:24:38]
Athens begins: Aqueduct (20 turns)

Turn 71/500 (1160 BC) [03-Aug-2008 14:26:31]
A Mine was built near Athens
Tech learned: Construction

Turn 72/500 (1120 BC) [03-Aug-2008 14:26:36]
Research begun: Meditation (3 Turns)
Sparta founded
Sparta begins: Granary (10 turns)
Boston begins: Granary (30 turns)
Athens grows: 5
Buddhism has spread: Athens

Turn 73/500 (1080 BC) [03-Aug-2008 14:27:49]
A Village was built near Athens
Washington grows: 4

Turn 74/500 (1040 BC) [03-Aug-2008 14:28:12]
A Farm was built near Bombay
Tech learned: Meditation
Boston grows: 3

Turn 75/500 (1000 BC) [03-Aug-2008 14:28:19]
Research begun: Priesthood (1 Turns)
Tech learned: Priesthood

Turn 76/500 (975 BC) [03-Aug-2008 14:28:36]
Research begun: Code of Laws (8 Turns)
A Mine was built near Athens
Washington finishes: Library
Sparta's borders expand

Turn 77/500 (950 BC) [03-Aug-2008 14:29:17]
Washington begins: Odeon (10 turns)
A Mine was built near Washington
Athens grows: 6
Washington grows: 5

Turn 78/500 (925 BC) [03-Aug-2008 14:29:49]
Bombay finishes: The Pyramids

Turn 79/500 (900 BC) [03-Aug-2008 14:30:04]
Boston begins: The Oracle (30 turns)
Washington finishes: Odeon

Turn 80/500 (875 BC) [03-Aug-2008 14:30:42]
Washington begins: Worker (5 turns)
A Cottage was built near Boston

Turn 81/500 (850 BC) [03-Aug-2008 14:31:03]
A Mine was built near Washington
Bombay finishes: Granary
Sparta finishes: Granary

Turn 82/500 (825 BC) [03-Aug-2008 14:31:12]
Bombay begins: Odeon (4 turns)
Athens finishes: Aqueduct
Sparta grows: 2

Turn 83/500 (800 BC) [03-Aug-2008 14:31:44]
Athens begins: Odeon (5 turns)
A Farm was built near Bombay
Tech learned: Code of Laws
Confucianism founded in Washington
Confucianism has spread: Washington
Andrei Sakharov (Great Scientist) born in Athens
Washington finishes: Worker
Boston grows: 4
Confucianism has spread: Boston

Turn 84/500 (775 BC) [03-Aug-2008 14:32:05]
Research begun: Polytheism (3 Turns)
Washington begins: Granary (6 turns)
Athens finishes: Academy
A Village was built near Athens
Bombay finishes: Odeon

Turn 85/500 (750 BC) [03-Aug-2008 14:34:25]
Bombay begins: Aqueduct (100 turns)
Tech learned: Polytheism
Bombay grows: 5
Washington's borders expand

Turn 86/500 (725 BC) [03-Aug-2008 14:35:15]
Research begun: Iron Working (5 Turns)
Confucianism has spread: Sparta
Research begun: Monotheism (3 Turns)

Turn 87/500 (700 BC) [03-Aug-2008 15:51:35]
A Quarry was built near Sparta
Athens grows: 7
Athens finishes: Odeon
Washington finishes: Granary
Sparta grows: 3

Turn 88/500 (675 BC) [03-Aug-2008 15:51:49]
Athens begins: Buddhist Monastery (7 turns)
Washington begins: Confucian Monastery (10 turns)
A Mine was built near Bombay
Tech learned: Monotheism
Bombay grows: 6

Turn 89/500 (650 BC) [03-Aug-2008 15:52:18]
Research begun: Iron Working (4 Turns)
A Cottage was built near Washington
Bombay's borders expand
Washington grows: 6
A Hamlet was built near Boston


Turn 90/500 (625 BC) [03-Aug-2008 15:53:19]
A Farm was built near Sparta
Athens's borders expand
Sparta grows: 4

Turn 91/500 (600 BC) [03-Aug-2008 15:53:33]
Civics Change: HolyHandGrenade(Greece) from 'Despotism' to 'Representation'
Civics Change: HolyHandGrenade(Greece) from 'Paganism' to 'Organized Religion'

Turn 92/500 (575 BC) [03-Aug-2008 15:54:20]
Sparta begins: Confucian Missionary (6 turns)
Tech learned: Iron Working

Turn 93/500 (550 BC) [03-Aug-2008 15:55:41]
Research begun: Philosophy (13 Turns)
Research begun: Aesthetics (5 Turns)
A Mine was built near Boston
A Mine was built near Sparta
Bombay grows: 7
Washington finishes: Confucian Monastery

Turn 94/500 (525 BC) [03-Aug-2008 15:57:43]
Washington begins: Confucian Missionary (8 turns)
A Hamlet was built near Athens
Bombay finishes: Aqueduct
Boston grows: 5
Boston finishes: Granary

Turn 95/500 (500 BC) [03-Aug-2008 15:59:20]
Bombay begins: The Hanging Gardens (25 turns)
Boston begins: Settler (13 turns)
Sparta grows: 5

Turn 96/500 (475 BC) [03-Aug-2008 15:59:53]
Athens finishes: Buddhist Monastery
Dante Alighieri (Great Artist) born in Bombay
Washington grows: 6
Sparta finishes: Confucian Missionary

Turn 97/500 (450 BC) [03-Aug-2008 16:00:02]
Athens begins: Buddhist Missionary (5 turns)
Sparta begins: Confucian Missionary (4 turns)
Tech learned: Aesthetics
Bombay grows: 8
Washington finishes: Confucian Missionary

Turn 98/500 (425 BC) [03-Aug-2008 16:00:26]
Research begun: Philosophy (11 Turns)
Washington begins: The Parthenon (40 turns)
A Mine was built near Boston
A Cottage was built near Washington

Turn 99/500 (400 BC) [03-Aug-2008 16:00:59]
Boston finishes: Settler
Sparta grows: 6
Sparta finishes: Confucian Missionary

Turn 100/500 (375 BC) [03-Aug-2008 16:01:32]
Boston begins: Confucian Missionary (7 turns)
Sparta begins: Settler (7 turns)
Bombay grows: 9

Turn 101/500 (350 BC) [03-Aug-2008 16:03:47]
A Cottage was built near Washington
Confucianism has spread: Athens
Confucianism has spread: Bombay
Athens finishes: Buddhist Missionary
Washington grows: 7

Turn 102/500 (325 BC) [03-Aug-2008 16:04:13]
Athens begins: Buddhist Temple (10 turns)
A Mine was built near Sparta
Athens grows: 8
Boston finishes: Confucian Missionary

Turn 103/500 (300 BC) [03-Aug-2008 16:04:41]
Boston begins: Confucian Missionary (7 turns)
Corinth founded
Buddhism has spread: Sparta
Bombay grows: 10
Bombay finishes: The Hanging Gardens
A Hamlet was built near Washington
Sparta finishes: Settler

Turn 104/500 (275 BC) [03-Aug-2008 16:05:58]
Bombay begins: Confucian Temple (5 turns)
Sparta begins: Buddhist Missionary (4 turns)
Washington's borders expand

Turn 105/500 (250 BC) [03-Aug-2008 16:07:53]
Boston's borders expand
Sparta finishes: Buddhist Missionary

Turn 106/500 (225 BC) [03-Aug-2008 16:08:06]
Sparta begins: Buddhist Missionary (4 turns)
Thebes founded
Confucianism has spread: Corinth
Sparta finishes: Buddhist Missionary

Turn 107/500 (200 BC) [03-Aug-2008 16:08:36]
Sparta begins: Buddhist Missionary (4 turns)
A Mine was built near Bombay
Buddhism has spread: Thebes
Bombay finishes: Confucian Temple
Washington grows: 9
Boston grows: 5
Sparta grows: 6
Corinth's borders expand

Turn 108/500 (175 BC) [03-Aug-2008 16:09:05]
Bombay begins: Confucian Missionary (2 turns)
A Cottage was built near Washington
Buddhism has spread: Boston
Tech learned: Philosophy
Taoism founded in Washington
Taoism has spread: Washington
Boston finishes: Confucian Missionary
Sparta's borders expand

Turn 109/500 (150 BC) [03-Aug-2008 16:09:33]
Research begun: Literature (3 Turns)
Boston begins: Courthouse (20 turns)
A Mine was built near Washington
Bombay finishes: Confucian Missionary
Sparta finishes: Buddhist Missionary
Thebes's borders expand

Turn 110/500 (125 BC) [03-Aug-2008 16:10:18]
Bombay begins: Courthouse (6 turns)
Sparta begins: Buddhist Temple (7 turns)
Taoism has spread: Boston
A Mine was built near Thebes
A Village was built near Boston
Corinth grows: 3

Turn 111/500 (100 BC) [03-Aug-2008 16:11:15]
Washington finishes: The Parthenon
A Hamlet was built near Washington
Boston grows: 6

Turn 112/500 (75 BC) [03-Aug-2008 16:11:40]
Washington begins: Courthouse (24 turns)
Buddhism has spread: Washington
Confucianism has spread: Thebes
Tech learned: Literature
Athens finishes: Buddhist Temple
A Hamlet was built near Washington

Turn 113/500 (50 BC) [03-Aug-2008 16:12:12]
Research begun: Theology (8 Turns)
Athens begins: Confucian Temple (12 turns)
A Mine was built near Boston
Research begun: Music (9 Turns)
Vincent van Gogh (Great Artist) born in Bombay
Washington grows: 10
Sparta grows: 7
Thebes grows: 2

Turn 114/500 (25 BC) [03-Aug-2008 16:13:33]
A Village was built near Athens
A Town was built near Athens
Bombay finishes: Courthouse

Turn 115/500 (0 AD) [03-Aug-2008 16:14:09]
Bombay begins: National Epic (7 turns)
Sparta finishes: Buddhist Temple

Turn 116/500 (25 AD) [03-Aug-2008 16:14:22]
Sparta begins: Settler (7 turns)
Washington finishes: Courthouse
Boston grows: 4
Boston finishes: Courthouse

Turn 117/500 (50 AD) [03-Aug-2008 16:15:09]
Washington begins: Taoist Temple (16 turns)
Boston begins: Taoist Missionary (7 turns)
A Mine was built near Bombay

Turn 118/500 (75 AD) [03-Aug-2008 16:15:35]
A Cottage was built near Washington
A Farm was built near Thebes
Boston grows: 5

Turn 119/500 (100 AD) [03-Aug-2008 16:15:45]
Boston finishes: Taoist Missionary
Thebes grows: 3

Turn 120/500 (125 AD) [03-Aug-2008 16:16:21]
Boston begins: Taoist Missionary (5 turns)
Tech learned: Music
Miles Davis (Great Artist) born in Athens
Bombay finishes: National Epic
Washington grows: 9
Sparta finishes: Settler

Turn 121/500 (150 AD) [03-Aug-2008 16:16:44]
Research begun: Drama (3 Turns)
Bombay begins: The Sistine Chapel (15 turns)
Sparta begins: Buddhist Missionary (4 turns)
A Mine was built near Boston
Taoism has spread: Sparta
Athens finishes: Confucian Temple
Christianity founded in a distant land

Turn 122/500 (175 AD) [03-Aug-2008 16:18:01]
Athens begins: Confucian Monastery (6 turns)
A Pasture was built near Corinth
Wang Xizhi (Great Artist) born in Washington
A Hamlet was built near Washington

Turn 123/500 (200 AD) [03-Aug-2008 16:18:59]
Tech learned: Drama
A Village was built near Washington
Boston grows: 6
Boston finishes: Taoist Missionary
Sparta finishes: Buddhist Missionary

Turn 124/500 (225 AD) [03-Aug-2008 16:19:23]
Research begun: Civil Service (8 Turns)
Boston begins: Taoist Missionary (5 turns)
Sparta begins: Taoist Missionary (4 turns)
A Cottage was built near Athens
Washington finishes: Taoist Temple

Turn 125/500 (250 AD) [03-Aug-2008 16:19:59]
Washington begins: Theatre (5 turns)
Athens begins: Theatre (3 turns)
Bombay begins: Theatre (2 turns)
Boston begins: Theatre (3 turns)
Sparta begins: Theatre (2 turns)
Corinth begins: Theatre (5 turns)
Argos founded
Argos begins: Work Boat (6 turns)
A Town was built near Athens
Sparta grows: 8
Thebes grows: 4

1605AD. Also a Phalanx rush (but a Chariot rush works, too -- it all depends on resources), then CS, Pyramids, Biology (with Lib), the rest is standard.

1605AD. Also a Phalanx rush (but a Chariot rush works, too -- it all depends on resources), then CS, Pyramids, Biology (with Lib), the rest is standard.The gauntlet table looks the same as the last one, let's see if some1 else tries to break it up :D

I completed but my date was late 1800s or early 1900s, can't remember. So pretty sad. I got a bit delayed along the way and got a few non artist great people but still finished it.

I completed but my date was late 1800s or early 1900s, can't remember. So pretty sad. I got a bit delayed along the way and got a few non artist great people but still finished it.If you go non-artist GPs it seems you built too much wonders. You only need --- none! But if you cannot resist only get Parthenon, Mausoleum of M, Taj Mahal, Sixtine and Pyramids (for US - but not in the GP-Farm) and perhaps H-Gardens in the same city as the Pyramids. For Small Wonders you should have Heremitage in a Culture City and National Epic and Globe Th. in GP-Farm.

With Pyramids you can stop research at Liberalism (Printing Press) - otherwise you must go for Democracy. So stop research when you can switch to US and collect gold to buy all those nice cathedrals :cool:

I never build Globe. :) Quite frankly I like to stop research after Biology, Nationalism and Banking, spend an Engineer from the Pyramids on Natl. Park, and build Natl. Epic in the same city, usually the capital.

15-20 Artists under FS/Caste/Pacifism do the trick nicely. Likewise, I like to run as many Artists as humanely possible in all my 9+ cities. I cottage 2 other culture cities, but only moderately, like 8-10 cottages, the rest -- farms + mines/workshops for production.

Sistine and Parthenon are both good for this strat. I also build the Oracle for CS and the Pyramids (usually in the capital under Bureaucracy + Org.Rel.)

I never build Globe. :) Quite frankly I like to stop research after Biology, Nationalism and Banking, spend an Engineer from the Pyramids on Natl. Park, and build Natl. Epic in the same city, usually the capital.

15-20 Artists under FS/Caste/Pacifism do the trick nicely. Likewise, I like to run as many Artists as humanely possible in all my 9+ cities. I cottage 2 other culture cities, but only moderately, like 8-10 cottages, the rest -- farms + mines/workshops for production.

Sistine and Parthenon are both good for this strat. I also build the Oracle for CS and the Pyramids (usually in the capital under Bureaucracy + Org.Rel.)
Funny - two really different strategies and nearly the same finish dates :lol: I like Civ4 for this :goodjob:

i got the feeling i'm doing something wrong...
How many restarts does it take to find copper at your first city and finding your allie quick to take over his city and be lucky enough that he found a religeon? And whats the best way to do that. Had a great starting location with copper last game, found 1 of my rivals when my first phalanx was done, moved 2 to his city and 1 2 turns behind them. captured his worker and ffound that he had 2 archers and a charriot inside his city, and offcourse i died like i always do when rushing.... I did, agriculture, mining, BW and chopped my barracks and phalanx. and as i had 2 corn i figured doing agri first would benefit me. Was that the mistake?

"Turn 45/500 (2200 BC) [03-Aug-2008 14:08:13]
Athens begins: Phalanx (7 turns)
Phalanx promoted: City Raider I
While attacking in Indian territory at Bombay, Phalanx defeats (5.00/5): Indian Warrior (Prob Victory: 96.6%)
Buddhism has spread: Bombay
Captured Bombay (Gandhi)
Bombay begins: Library (91 turns)"

Your not serious right? I attacked my rival certainly within 45 turns, 7 turn agri, 7 mining, +-12 BW and max 6 for the 2 phalanx and his capital was about 12 squares away. Only mine has 2 archers and a charriot and yours have 1 warrior... how do you do that? Whats the trick? Just being lucky? Did you actually sent 1 phallanx?

madmenno,

Some AI are a lot more likely to get early archers than others. AI that start with Hunting are going to be fast to archery. AI that start with Mysticism will focus on getting religions. Try to pick those sorts of opponents.

Since you're trying to arrive at an enemy city while it's defended by warriors, skip the barracks. Build warriors instead. When you hook your copper, upgrade two warriors to phalanx (you should get a lot of gold from huts) and send one in each direction. Your chances of capturing at least one capital, if not both, are pretty good.

Your not serious right? I attacked my rival certainly within 45 turns, 7 turn agri, 7 mining, +-12 BW and max 6 for the 2 phalanx and his capital was about 12 squares away. Only mine has 2 archers and a charriot and yours have 1 warrior... how do you do that? Whats the trick? Just being lucky? Did you actually sent 1 phallanx?
Some of the AIs get Archery/BW early, others go for religions, etc. In my last game (1580AD if accepted) I Chariot-rushed 2 civs (Liz and Lincoln), they both had Warriors only. Liz founded Judaism for me, btw.

Guys like Fred or Peter, on the other hand, tend to research Archery, BW and IW early, so you have a good chance to face a bunch of Archers, Spears and Swords.

Having a strategic resource (Copper or Horses) in the fat cross helps a lot, you can build a few units before building a Settler, meanwhile improve land around the city and let it grow until unhappy, then simply whip that settler and keep building units.

If you do it fast, the resistance will be minimal. In many cases you can simply build 3 Warriors before a Worker, and rush your nearest neighbor, which has only 1.

i got the feeling i'm doing something wrong...
How many restarts does it take to find copper at your first city and finding your allie quick to take over his city and be lucky enough that he found a religeon? And whats the best way to do that. Had a great starting location with copper last game, found 1 of my rivals when my first phalanx was done, moved 2 to his city and 1 2 turns behind them. captured his worker and ffound that he had 2 archers and a charriot inside his city, and offcourse i died like i always do when rushing.... I did, agriculture, mining, BW and chopped my barracks and phalanx. and as i had 2 corn i figured doing agri first would benefit me. Was that the mistake?

"Turn 45/500 (2200 BC) [03-Aug-2008 14:08:13]
Athens begins: Phalanx (7 turns)
Phalanx promoted: City Raider I
While attacking in Indian territory at Bombay, Phalanx defeats (5.00/5): Indian Warrior (Prob Victory: 96.6%)
Buddhism has spread: Bombay
Captured Bombay (Gandhi)
Bombay begins: Library (91 turns)"

Your not serious right? I attacked my rival certainly within 45 turns, 7 turn agri, 7 mining, +-12 BW and max 6 for the 2 phalanx and his capital was about 12 squares away. Only mine has 2 archers and a charriot and yours have 1 warrior... how do you do that? Whats the trick? Just being lucky? Did you actually sent 1 phallanx?

Here is what I have done with this gauntlet:

- Map: Terra or Continents
- Opponents: Asoka, Gandhi, Victoria, Roose, Lincoln and Napoleon (either he is near me, than he's my 1st victim or he is farther away, then he is a nice bait for the other civs)
- Using MapFinder with "Mining Resources: 2-999" to generate several promising maps
- Settle on plains-hill or on plains-elephant, build a worker and research Mining
- worker-barracks-warrior...-phalanx...
- research: mining-bronze-wheel-pottery-writing-alpha
- Worker -> grass-gems or gold-hill
- if no bronze and no horses (AH popped from a hut ;)) in 2nd expansion next game
- upgrade the warriors with the gold from huts
- hook up bronze(horses) immediately and chop phalanx(chariots) like crazy. Interestingly I never saw before that chariots got exp from barracks :)
- rush 2 or perhaps 3 neighbors for the nice city spots and use your remaining units for city defense
- don't be too greedy or your budget goes down very fast :eek:

good luck :cool:

Added:
- Don't promote a new phalanx immediately. Wait until after his 1st fight against a warrior and you can defeat one of the Indias with just 1 phalanx

Thanks a lot!
Well, i managed to whipe Justantine and Issabel Pretty fast. Got a better time this time 1780AD almost a century earlier. But my costs raised enormously after taking there cities (5) at one point i had only 10% science 90% tax, whats the best thing to do about that? Should i have destroyed one or 2 cities? Or just go currency asap after BW?

The opponent strategy works nicely, i had brennus harrassing victoria by coincidence didn't know he was agrasive but did have a feeling. But he was realy screwing up my standings with the others :D.

Plains elefant improves the city square if you build on it??? not more or equal to a camp right?

I don't know map finder that well yet, but it doesn't look for bronze at ancient setting right? So these mining resources setting can i get some more info on that?

Gz

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Oops Denniz, made a bad submission. Ignore 13106 and if possible delete it, it has a wrong start file. I uploaded the correct saves after in the other one.

Plains elefant improves the city square if you build on it??? not more or equal to a camp right?
Yes, you get 2 hammers (rather than 1) from the city tile, as if on hill/plains. This means a Worker in 12 turns rather than in 15. Also +1 happy, of course.
Thanks a lot!
Well, i managed to whipe Justantine and Issabel Pretty fast. Got a better time this time 1780AD almost a century earlier. But my costs raised enormously after taking there cities (5) at one point i had only 10% science 90% tax, whats the best thing to do about that? Should i have destroyed one or 2 cities? Or just go currency asap after BW?
Cottages, Libraries, and CoL ASAP. Cottages to stay afloat (and even finance further expansion), cheap Libraries -- for science/GPs. 10% seems to be too low, but 30%-40% should be norm.

If your cities are big enough and work unimproved tiles, whip something useful (like Workers), this way you can reduce maintenance. If you are positive at 40%, quickly build another city until you have enough of them.

Use your first GS for an Academy, and 2nd -- for bulbing Philosophy.

Once you have enough improved land (especially farms), switch to Caste (I usually combine it with Rep. from the Pyramids), and run Merchants in one of the cities. You'll get some cash plus a GM, which you can send for a trade mission worth 1-1.5K.

Currency is good when at least one of your production cities has nothing specific to do, so it can build wealth. I usually get it after CS and MC but before Aesthetics, Drama and Music.

After that I go Paper -> Printing Press, and bulb Education along the way.

Plains elefant improves the city square if you build on it??? not more or equal to a camp right?
Plains-elephant gives you the same jump start as plains hill - 2F2H1G
This reduces the worker production from 15 to 12 turns

Ok - here's my current submission. It's a 1620AD finish.

Dang got 1630 AD. Sooo close.

Went warrior-rush for nearest capital and then built rest. 6 cities, built 5 captured 6th and 7th later... 2 religions, 3rd spread late game.

-Dracandross

Well, i put in "mining resources 2-999" at every line of the default rules. It yielded 4 maps out of 360 regenerations. None of the maps had copper nearby did i do something wrong? Mapfinder won't find copper if i haven't discovered it yet right?

gz

Well, i put in "mining resources 2-999" at every line of the default rules. It yielded 4 maps out of 360 regenerations. None of the maps had copper nearby did i do something wrong? Mapfinder won't find copper if i haven't discovered it yet right?
I did not use Mapfinder at all. I play on Inland Sea and look for 2 food + plenty of forests, or Gold/Gems and some floodplains. Then Agri -> AH -> Mining, no Horses -> BW, no Copper -> regen.

Hmm nice start but didnt get marble, shouldnt played but was fun 1670AD. With marbe it woulda been alot better. Very nice minor.

-D

I did not use Mapfinder at all. I play on Inland Sea and look for 2 food + plenty of forests, or Gold/Gems and some floodplains. Then Agri -> AH -> Mining, no Horses -> BW, no Copper -> regen.

Why plenty of forests? Horses and copper won't appear on forests right?

Why plenty of forests? Horses and copper won't appear on forests right?
Because you can either chop them down for units/wonders, or save for Natl. Park. Horses and Copper pop frequently enough in a few non-forested tiles.

Frequent enough? Is there a map type where copper pops more? Playing inland sea @ emperror now for gminor 49. But can't seem to find copper at my starting position. Did try a couple of times to build my next city next to copper and the chop axeman but i always come to late. Had copper one time but napoleon had 3 archers vs 3 axeman... guess who won :D.

-double post-
Is it even possible to axe rush on emperor? 2nd time i got copper rushed one axeman and tried gandi with budhisme, but his single archer defeated me.

Playing inland sea @ emperror now for gminor 49. But can't seem to find copper at my starting position. Did try a couple of times to build my next city next to copper and the chop axeman but i always come to late. Had copper one time but napoleon had 3 archers vs 3 axeman... guess who won :D.
On Emporer is harder, the AI starts with Archers. Whether you find Copper in the fat cross or build a second city, you're going to need a lot more than 3 Axes, because while you build your first 5 Axes, the AIs build 2 or 3 cities. I can think of 9 Axes, but still it's very risky.

I'm currently playing G-Minor 49 on GPlains, I did not early rush at all (even though it works sometimes), I just teched to Military Tradition (got it from Liberalism), and only then started wars. Better say, got attacked by Izzy, but that's fine. I'd start myself in a few turns anyway.

BtS is quite a different story with respect to the medieval wars. The usual way (huge stack of Maces and Cats) does not work, since such a stack is easily destroyed by cats and Horse Archers. On the other hand, since the AIs spam cats and Horse Archers, they don't build many Longbows, so Cuirassiers are extremely efficient. You lose some here and there, but the rest quickly make it to Combat 4-5.

Srry for wondering slightly off topic hope no one minds.
Andrei, i go try chop 2nd worker and chop a settler, improve and get a load of axes as i realy want to whipe a civ with religeon befor 500BC for a headstart. or would slingshot oracle and slingshot liberalisme be the real winner here?

Andrei, i go try chop 2nd worker and chop a settler, improve and get a load of axes as i realy want to whipe a civ with religeon befor 500BC for a headstart. or would slingshot oracle and slingshot liberalisme be the real winner here?
I dunno. I built the Oracle for CoL and the Pyramids, but I have not finished my game yet. It's late 1500s, 3 civs are dead, 3 more to go (well, 2 will be enough for Dom) I'm on the way to Railroad (have hope for Mining Inc) and suffer badly from the war weariness. I don't have SM yet, least Biology and Refrigeration. :)

Is it really worth going up to national park? Loads of more rounds instead of 100% culture?

Tried different angle, 4 cities only (1 captured with culture), 1600 AD win. Thought capital would finish faster with all those +cultures and I could switch other to capitals cottages but all finished within 1 round.

-Dracandross

Is it really worth going up to national park? Loads of more rounds instead of 100% culture?
In my experience, yes. It gives you time to finish up at least the basic buildings, like temples and monasteries, and start the cathedrals. Raising culture to 100% at this point does not have the desired effect, and I think investing in science is more beneficial than using US to rush buy.

Biology is not that far away, because you can bulb Chemistry and SM, then take Biology with Liberalism around 1000AD. After that you can raise culture to 100%, and finish the remaining techs (Nationalism and Banking) using beakers from Rep.

Well, i put in "mining resources 2-999" at every line of the default rules. It yielded 4 maps out of 360 regenerations. None of the maps had copper nearby did i do something wrong? Mapfinder won't find copper if i haven't discovered it yet right?

gz

Mining resources on an ancient start are gonna be gems, gold or silver.

This Gauntlet is complete. Results:

1st Andrei_V 1580 AD
2nd Dracandross 1600 AD
3rd HolyHandGrenade 1620 AD

Congratulations!