So I though Rhye should have some graphical evidence that his map generator leaves a lot to be desired.

Here's my Aztec start. Confined to a desert peninsula and unable to colonize the vast western North America. Sitting ducks until the conquerors show up. I haven't played it but I'm sure there'll be some dog soldiers appearing in the desert in the south. Tikal is close enough that once the conquerors come, the Mayans will die and they'll have a colony 9 tiles away from you. :lol:

i will post a few here, i have some others scattered already

I must say though, that unlike a fixed map, in a random map if you get a bad start you can just reroll ;)

Here's my Aztec start. Confined to a desert peninsula and unable to colonize the vast western North America. Sitting ducks until the conquerors show up. I see no serious problems about this map. Just invent Sailing, build a Galley, colonize decent land to north and conquer/destroy Mayan.
I haven't played it but I'm sure there'll be some dog soldiers appearing in the desert in the south.
They won't, since all the desert will be within your cultural borders. They might appear in the mountains, though.

I see no serious problems about this map. Just invent Sailing, build a Galley, colonize decent land to north and conquer/destroy Mayan.
They won't, since all the desert will be within your cultural borders. They might appear in the mountains, though.

You have to realize that sailing takes 12 turns, and building/whipping a galley takes another 3-4 turns, and sending that settler up there takes another 4-5 turns. It'll be well after 1400 before our 2nd city is up, and we don't even have monarchy yet.

Plus, any amount of dessert means one thing: barbarian camel archers are roaming. It is not funny. I got a decent start with the Incans and was willing to try the game, until I saw the Saracen dessert raiders in South American, and got terribly sick with the game and just quit...

I forgot to screenshot my england start - it had 2 cows and four sheep, all but one of the sheep on mountains that cut the city off from the rest of of island :lol:. I decided to continue playing post a quick trip to the WB to turn those mountains into (mole)hills.

Bad starts you say??

Just click on "Indian Empire" and have fun! :goodjob:

You have to realize that sailing takes 12 turns, and building/whipping a galley takes another 3-4 turns, and sending that settler up there takes another 4-5 turns. It'll be well after 1400 before our 2nd city is up, and we don't even have monarchy yet.Well, sending takes exactly two turns, unless you want non-coastal city. Besides, you will be able to use that galley to ruin their conquistador event.
Why do you want monarchy so early?

Monarchy opens up Feudalism which is kinda key to defend against dog soldiers and conquistidors. In normal RFC I usually have Feudalism by the time I meet the Europeans.

Monarchy opens up Feudalism which is kinda key to defend against dog soldiers and conquistidors. In normal RFC I usually have Feudalism by the time I meet the Europeans.Interesting. In normal RfC I usually trade for Feudalism with one of Old-World civs already after the contact. Before this, archers and catapults are good enough way to deal with dog soldiers... and I never allowed conquistadors to appear.
What Azteca needs for happy life is Crossbowmen (+50% against melee), not Longbowmen.

Somebody please kill me. (This is after the 3rd move when none of the Viking cities flipped).

Yeah, this is really awful.

hmm, the flipping system is getting more and more mysterious...

Yeah, it definitely needs some work. I don't think we can completely eliminate bad starts, but we can do some minor things.

You can ensure certain resources for ancient civs.
You should also be able to check the number of desert with river tiles vs. flood plains and convert some. Having Egypt or Babylon or Mali start with 8 desert tiles and 1 flood plains doesn't work.
You should probably eliminate flood plains on desert hills (though I'm less offended by this specifically).
Stop spawning resources on mountains.
Fix the flip system, and try to get better distance between some spawning empires. I see the French and Vikings near each other a lot.

Started a game as America (then went out for dinner). When 1733 arrived, the glorious American civ spawned on the west coast of North America between the Dutch and Spanish with no real room to grow. Granted they were the only 2 cities in the Americas (and naturally neither flipped to me)

@AnotherPacifist

Build a galley and colonize the island near Spain, would make for an interesting game.

I bet you that island is reserved for the English and Dutch, no way I'm touching that. Plus I didn't know about that island before I decided to quit and go to worldbuilder.

Oh well, wait until the English and Dutch spawn dates to see if either spawns, if they don't colonize the island yourself, maybe it was for you after all.

This dutch start looks unplayable... :lol:

Wow!(10chars.)

Ok, heres one. High Earth Likeliness, and I play as France. I wait an hour for it to load. I see my starting position, and go into world builder. I am on a peninsula, isolated from Europe by a mountain range. I am completely surrounded by tundra, and 3 grasslands + mountains. I hav 3 cows wandering around on the mountains.:lol::crazyeye: completely ridiculous.

install the peakfix in the bugfix thread for the cows.

install the peakfix in the bugfix thread for the cows.

That's no help for him for that particular start, he won't have any cows then, wild or not!

not really, he can reload the autosave before the start and cows will be placed in a suitable tile, if available. Plus, it won't happen his next games...