Kashmir: Population 12,762,000.

This is the term 5 thread for the Phoenatican Province, Kashmir.

http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads/kashmap6.gif

Kashmir is home to several luxuries and resources--possibly even enough to supply a small country. They include saltpeter, coal, aluminum, uranium, horses, oil, spices and gems. Kashmir also has a rather large population game-wise, with several metropolises and its own resort at Sunshine Beach.

Kashmir build queues (courtesy of Cyc):

1. St Regis - change to Cathedral (rush), MT, RC, Colosseum
2. Gandasetaigon - change to Hospital, University, MT, RC
3. Hieraconpolis - change to Hospital, MT, Cathedral
4. Heliopolis - change to RC, MP, Jet Fighter, JF, JF, JF
5. Alexandria - change to RC, SAM, MP
6. Cyrus - change to MT, RC, Cathedral, SAM
7. Oka - change to bank, Research Lab, Wealth
8. CSIM - change to MT, University, Police Station, Bank
9. Chondote - Cathedral (C), MT, University
10. Ephesus - Harbor (C), Aqueduct, Marketplace
11. Thessalonica - change to Cathedral (rush), Hospital
12. Herakleia - change to Cathedral (rush), Colosseum, Univ.
13. Sunshine Beach - Aqueduct (C), Harbor, University
14. Delphi - change to MT, RC, SAM, Coloseum, Courthouse.

Civil Construction
There will be a completion of a railroad between Delphi and Hieraconpolis.

Provincial Mayors:king:
Cyrus (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=23745) - Cyc
Delphi (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=27761) - disorganizer
Sunshine Beach (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=27811) - trader/warrior
Heliopolis (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=28650) - Zarn
Herakleia (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=28607) - Toasty

All others, to my knowledge, are avaliable.

Provincial Counties

Counties are groups of cities, and while Kashmir only has one, I think it would be a good idea to promote the creation of them not only here but in other provinces/locations throughout the country. By request, I am providing the link to our only county, and hopefully we will get a few more up :).

Delphi County (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=27761) is run by disorganizer and includes the cities of Delphi and Sunshine Beach.

Major Provincial Issues

City Build Queues
Early on some mistakes were made by me in building some city queues. If you are a mayor, or a member of a city, and have a problem with the build queues, pleace get in touch with me as soon as possible.

Kashmir Needs a Flag!
Cyc has chosen to remove what was his "temporary flag" with the foundation of the province. A thread, with an application form, will be started in the citizen's forum shortly. All flags with the filled out application will be made to post on the thread. After a decided date a poll will be set up with all of the participants' flags on display. So, for all you budding digital artists, nows your chance! Get to work!

Update: The thread can be found here (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=28594).

Underpopulation caused by lack of mayors?
Are you looking to move up in this country? Looking for an entry-level position, but missed the elections? Don't be afraid to sign up for a mayoral position in Kashmir. A lack of publications seems to be causing a slight lack in the total population for the citizens of Kashmir, and mayors filling in positions and setting up threads for their cities would help this very much. Kashmir has several metropolis-class cities, so there are plenty of opportunities for quick power.

Complaints? Objections? Suggestions?
If you want a build queue change, a mayoral position, or a notice in our major issues area, please do not shy away from PMing me or posting on this thread. From criticism comes self-awareness, and from self-awareness comes self-improvement. All activity for Kashmir's citizens is encouraged.

Please sticky this ASAP.

WOW!! 14 cities! I like the map!

What a fine Provincial thread. I see we have elected an outstanding Governor. We warmly welcome our new Governor, Toasty.

Hmmmm.....my suggestions for Hekiopolis were not good. I understand, but next time, please tell me. Ty.

Er, sorry. Yes, I figured that Heliopolis' pollution was no worse than any other of the major cities, and that...oh, shoot, I can't remember what your second queue was. But at any rate, the whole queue thing has been rather messy for me, and I haven't been able to stay on top of it completely, and I apologize.

EDIT: Thanks Cyrus. I'm working hard :).

The reason why I was concerned about pollution is that the metro is next to a national park.


edit: the other was for spaceships parts that might need to be produced.

I understand your concerns on the pollution, but we will have many workers in the area without jobs that will be able to clean it up quickly. Also, by the time it would put out significant pollution, the game will already have won.

Zarn, have you made a thread for Heliopolis yet? I'd appreciate it if you did if you haven't.

I would propose having the link for delphi city replaced by a link to delphi county (where you find delphi and sunshine beach build queues). maybe you should also add some other pics to the thread, like the national parks and things like that ;-)

but i must admit it was good choosing you as governor, as the first time we have a good provincial thread.

maybe i find time to make a political map (like the ameri-one) or talk someone into it.

i would also prefer removal of the research lab of the sunshine beach build queue to resprect the status of the spice bay recreational area (the labs produces pollution).

Governor, as the minister of trade, I'd like to ask you to build harbors in Chondote, CSIM and St. Regis. These are all important cities, and I want to make sure that they will stay connected to the trade network. Besides connecting the cities to the trade network, the harbors will provide a food bonus. Please do this as soon as possible.

Have we started a new turn chat?

Also, I kind of feel like I'm throwing Chieftess around with all these build queue changes, so if they pile up it's just because I want to deliver them all at once.

Disorganizer, I recently cleaned off my hard drive and seem to have deleted the savegame for the DemoGame, so if you could refresh my memory, does Sunshine Beach already have a harbor? And would you be opposed to building one instead of a lab?

Octavian, we will work towards the harbor contruction but it may take a while. They won't be high on the priority list but they will be on it, I promise.

Also Zarn, the tanks should only take 10-15 turns to complete because of Heliopolis' huge production. I think I might actually have to contact YOU about getting SS part construction clearance, but if it is still needed we will undergo your suggested queue.

And thanks all, just put in your two cents on the new flag thread so we can really get rolling.

Ty Toasty. I will wait the turn amount, then we would discuss this again. Please use the Heliopolis thread, when it cocerns the city. Again, Thank you.:)

Toasty:
no harbor in sunshine beach yet. will take 16 turns from scratch at the moment.
harbor will be ok, as it does not produce pollution.

i suggest you change the build queues in sunshine beach to:
temple,harbor,aqueduct,university

Toasty, the turn chat is today, in 1 hour. :) (gee, that sounded like the Term 1 notices. ;))

Sorry I can't (couldn't?) make it. I'm in Tennessee away from my home. If ANYONE from the province would be willing to make a replacement for me I would be EXTREMELY appreciative. Thanks.

Toasty, I put together build queues for you. I can't believe I'm doing this. Never again. I'd much rather see the empire in smouldering embers than with weak Leaders.

Copy and paste these into the Turn Chat Instructions for 1800ad before Wednesday 11:59pm GMT.

Build Queues for Kashmir Province:

1. St Regis - change to Cathedral, MT, RC, Colosseum
2. Gandasetaigon - change to Hospital, University, MT, RC
3. Hieraconpolis - change to Hospital, MT, Cathedral
4. Heliopolis - change to RC, MP, Jet Fighter, JF, JF, JF
5. Alexandria - change to RC, SAM, MP
6. Cyrus - change to MT, RC, Cathedral, SAM
7. Oka - change to bank, Research Lab, Wealth
8. CSIM - change to MT, University, Police Station, Bank
9. Chondote - Cathedral (C), MT, University
10. Ephesus - Harbor (C), Aqueduct, Marketplace
11. Thessalonica - change to Cathedral, Hospital
12. Herakleia - change to Cathedral, Colosseum, Univ.
13. Sunshine Beach - Aqueduct (C), Harbor, University
14. Delphi - change to MT, RC, SAM, Coloseum, Courthouse

NOTE: MT = Mass Transit, RC = Recycling Center,
MP = Manufacturing Plant

Heliopolis can be switched to Spaceship Parts anytime after the RC.
Sunshine Beach needs the grasslands irrigated.
Sell the walls in Cyrus for 2 gold.
sell the Factory in Delphi for 30 gold.

Argh! Again i see the research lab in the delphi-queue. Please delete immidiately and use the proposed queue as complied to by the governor.

Dis - I just put that in there to piss you off, :) after having read that you thought my provincial thread was no good. Sorry, I didn't take the time to make it pretty, I always thought content was more important.

Anyway, the change is made. A word of advice...don't just post your proposed build queues in the County thread. Post them in the Province thread also. When you just keep them in the County thread and say "Come and get them" you're asking for trouble.

Hehe... they are in term4 thread ;-) They even were in the 1st post of this thread!
Cyc: Maybe our literacy campaign should help you read the posts :-P [just joking!]

I tend to keep them in a single place an post updates with links in here rather than to post them in here very time.

And where did i say your thread was NO good?

btw: cyc
did you already buy your weekend house at spice bay? i held a tile free next to mine.
i hope you move there before the end-chat so we could sit together smashing some mugs of fresh imported banana-juice (preferabbly on your head ;-) ) while watching the victory-day fireworks over the bay.

But Dis. I was going to steal the Domestic Department jet again and fly around and look at all the fireworks. Maybe I'll drop a mug of fresh, imported banana juice from 10,000 ft. and try to hit your chair.....:)

As long as you dont bump your jet into our national park again like last time... well, it really was a nice fireworks... so go for it ;-P

"As the ark of the covenant of the ONE came into the city, all Phoenatica shouted with a great shout, so that the earth resounded. When the Enemies heard the noise of the shout, they said, "What does the noise of this great shout in the camp of the Phoenaticans mean?" Then they understood that the ark of the ONE had come into the camp" 1 Godinex 25, 30 - 32.

To celebrate the victory of the ONE over the infidels, the Church of the ONE anounce the next visits of His prime priests to the provinces of Ameri and Kashmir in for the celebration of the Ascension of our Godness in Aug. 09.

Greetings from the ONE

Ah... if the Governor of this good people recive us with joy.

Cyc, I owe you one. This vacation has been inconvenient for me all around. Thanks a TON. If I had some kind of honor to give you, I'd present to you decorations as far as the eye can see :D.

We welcome the travelling prophet, Godinex, to our humble province (unless there are any objections :D!)

You're very welcome Toasty. It sounds like we're only going to get traveling priests though, not traveling prophets. Is Almightyjosh evicting them?

What about having a provincial honour? Like "the kashmir ztar" for outstanding effort beyond the call of duty for the province of kashmir?

I'll have to put that up on the provincial issues part of the main page :D.

I've been thinking about a couple of edicts for the province:

The Mayoral Power Edict, in which mayors are granted full control over the queues, in order to decrease my workload and encourage more Kashmir citizens to take positions as mayors.

The Healthy Enviornment Edict, in which if a factory or any other major pollution-producing improvement is built in a city, or if a city hits size 20, a pollution-reducing improvement is required to be built immediately.

The Population Density Edict, in which if a city is disproportionately populated citizens will be relocated to cities that need mayors in order to increase the publication of the province.

Any thoughts?

I think the Population Density Edict, while well-intentioned, may be unconstitutional.

I am actually surprised how much people have been moving around lately, may not be necessary in the next game

Heliopolis should build an SS part. Are there any available?

All posible ss parts are currently being produced in other cities. After robotics is complete, we start superconductor. That tech will allow life support and fuel cells.

Originally posted by Octavian X
All posible ss parts are currently being produced in other cities. After robotics is complete, we start superconductor. That tech will allow life support and fuel cells.
Thanks. It is just that Heliopolis is a great city, but with nothing important from it.

Toasty: Population desity act is against the constitution, as citizens have the right of free moovement. But you could start pm'ing citizens to request them becoming mayor.

btw: did you notice we are the second biggest province if you see the city-count? i wonder why so many ppl stick with istar and ameri/normandy.

i believe to the next game, we should try to improove this. one point for ppl moving to normandy was a "nordic province" was proclaimed, as all nordic (rl) ppl were told to move there to get their own province...
i think this was not ok, as mixing rl with the game is always bad (it would be like making a real life religion in here or something...)
nevertheless, for the next game we all should think of how we could distribute citizens better thru the cities.

the other proposals are perfect! i start being proud of you as governor and being ashame we did not trust you from the beginning ;-)

Originally posted by disorganizer
btw: did you notice we are the second biggest province if you see the city-count? i wonder why so many ppl stick with istar and ameri/normandy.


Can't speak for the other provinces, but clearly Normandy's popularity is based upon the fine city of PDX, the cultural center of Phoenatica, where everyone is happy.

Helpfully,

Bill
...in PDX

i knew you would say this ;-)

Well, strike off the population density edict.

I was just reviewing the census information and noticing that the bulk of our citizens currently reside in Delphi :eek:. While I'm sure disorganizer is happy about this, it is only a size 13 city, wheras we have Alexandria and Heliopolis with only Zarn in Heliopolis.

Does anyone have any suggestions as to get new DemoGame players to move here?

bribe them ;-)

One reason for Normandy and Ameri's popularity is the number of US-named cities. New citizens from the USA tend to gravitate towards them, at least in the beginning.

Although in Normandy's case a large number of people moved to PDX just to live in PDX.

most ppl in valhall (and some moved out of it) move there because of the "norwegian ethnic group" thread proposed so (at least, as soon as it was proposed there for all those to move they did).

i lived in valhall before i moved to delphi

well, you propably moved here because of the nice city-thread and because we had a nice job for you to do ;-)

so maybe thats the way to go in the future: improove quality of city threads and give people work distributed thru the country. maybe let the departments move to another city than the capitol (like domestic dept. in PDX, military department in delphi etc.) maybe to the city fitting their "flavor" most, like moving miliary dept. to the city wich is dedicated to military production and the science dept. to the top science producing city, domestic to the city producing the highest income, culture to the city having the highest culture level, foreign affairs and presidential office would have to stay in the capitol (embassies).

As Mayor of Cyrus, I commuted to Thebes to run the Domestic Dept. from the satallite office in the Forbbiden Palace. And yes, Almightyjosh, I went into the "Forbidden bit" quite often.

After reviewing the 1820ad save, the Mayor of Cyrus has noted that the City Walls, which were requested by me to be sold, are still standing. I was wondering if we could get this done on the pre-turn of the next Turn Chat? I realize the gold made from the sale isn't much, but we REALLY would like this done immediately.

Arrival Speech of Prophet Godinex

Friday 09 August 2002 AG

Mr. Gobernor,

Dear People of St Regis, Gandasetaigon, Hieraconpolis, Heliopolis, Alexandria, Cyrus, Oka, CSIM, Chondote, Ephesus, Thessalonica, Herakleia, Sunshine Beach and Delphi.
1. It is a great joy for me to return to the Province of Kashmir and to experience once more your warm hospitality.
As you know, I have been in Delphi, to celebrate the conclusion of the Special Assembly for Kashmir of the Synod of Bishops. The purpose of that important Meeting was to prepare the Church of the ONE to enter the new Millennium and to encourage a new sense of solidarity among the peoples of the continent. Now I am happy to be able to bring this message to Mid-Kashmir, on the banks of the River near Cyrus, in this historic city of Delphi, the Gateway to the West.
I am grateful to you, Mr. Gobernor, for your courtesy in meeting me on my arrival. I likewise greet the Mayors and authorities of the nearest and distant cities, as well as the Mayor of Heliopolis and the other officials of the City and surrounding areas. So many people have offered their generous cooperation in preparation for this visit, and I am grateful to them all.
2. As Pastor of the universal Church, I am particularly happy to greet the ONE community of the Archdiocese of Delphi, with its rich spiritual heritage and its dynamic traditions of service to those in need. I wish to say a special word of appreciation to Prime priest Eirey, who has been close to me since I became Prophet 3882 years ago. I am looking forward to being with the priests, deacons, religious and laity of this local Church, which has exercised such influence on the history of the Midwest.
With deep thanks I greet the Cardinals and Bishops and especially to the prime priest Disorganizer. Their presence gives me an opportunity to send my good wishes to the whole Province of Kashmir and its ecclesiastical Region, and to all the Dioceses of this country. Although Delphi and Heliópolis is the only place I am able to visit at this time, I feel close to all the UNOS of Kashmir.
I express my friendship and esteem for my fellow UNOS, for the War community in Kashmir, for our Reformation brothers and sisters. I express my cordial respect for people of all religions and for every person of good will.
3. Mr. Gobernor, dear friends: I am pleased to have another opportunity to thank the Kashmir people for the countless works of human goodness and solidarity which, from the beginning, have been such a part of the history of your country. At the same time I know that you will hear my plea to open wide your hearts to the ever increasing plight and urgent needs of our less fortunate brothers and sisters throughout the world.
This too – the spirit of compassion, concern and generous sharing – must be part of the Miracle of Heliopolis Even more, it must be the renewed spirit of this "one nation, under the ONE, with liberty and justice for all." God bless you all! God bless Kashmir!

Amen.

Godinex, you are always welcome in my city.

After reviewing the 1820ad save, the Mayor of Cyrus has noted that the City Walls, which were requested by me to be sold, are still standing. I was wondering if we could get this done on the pre-turn of the next Turn Chat? I realize the gold made from the sale isn't much, but we REALLY would like this done immediately.

After reviewing the 1820ad save, the Mayor of Cyrus has noted that the City Walls, which were requested by me to be sold, are still standing. I was wondering if we could get this done on the pre-turn of the next Turn Chat? I realize the gold made from the sale isn't much, but we REALLY would like this done immediately.

Originally posted by Cyc
After reviewing the 1820ad save, the Mayor of Cyrus has noted that the City Walls, which were requested by me to be sold, are still standing. I was wondering if we could get this done on the pre-turn of the next Turn Chat? I realize the gold made from the sale isn't much, but we REALLY would like this done immediately.
I always liked your city walls. They have a special something to them.

Well, they may work for you, Zarn, but the people of Cyrus would like to see them gone before game's end.

Looks like CT's plan of getting Toasted elected so he could bail and let Kashmir rot (just like civanator) worked.

Cyc, do not worry about Kashmir. She is strong, and can handle the governer, not the governer handle it.

Declaration of independance:

We, the fine citizens of the free county of delphi, herewith declare our independance from the province of kashmir.
Our nation owes us the right to reign our county ourselves.
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&postid=422772#post422772

Disorganizer, give this up. Kashmir cannot and willnot be thrown around.

I dont throw Kashmir around. But delphi will be regarded as a valuable member of this nation in future! The time of our citizens has come! Freedom will come upon our people!

Leaving it to rot? Okay, I'm sorry, I'm pretty busy right now in real-life.

disorganizer, Delphi County should not be its own province. You aren't oppressed. It's rather silly.

At any rate, I'll get the walls sold. I'll update the queues in a minute.

Governor Toasty, please cast your vote in this Senatorial poll (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=29516).

Please cast your vote (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=29515) on whether to adjust our census.

IM BACK!

I immediately stop this mess in delphi county and officially rejoin kashmir...
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?postid=432591#post432591

Im am very sad nobody noticed that the mayor of this county was only faked during his absence. I still wonder where my advisors are and im still missing some of the members of our community here.

I hope noone in delphi and sunshine beach was hurt. I would like all citizen to report here which lossed were discovered.

I also command all advisors and the director of the sunshine beach report to a immediate report into the town hall (or at least whats left of it).

It seems to me the siege on delphi really destroyed most of our famous old town-centre... too sad.

I also request immediate cleanup of any leftover pollution in the park areas.

in sunshine beach noone got hurt, this is because i evacuated them at once it was only me that got beaten up and shot in the left shoulder:cry: .one building got damaged when a tank drove right into it, the drivers were not hurt, only drunk.

as always... falcon should really inspect his people more often!

how are you trader? fine again?

the delphi files:
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=29882