TC: Saturday 9th of August 2008 - Noon (12.00) GMT - 2 PM (14.00) CET [Archive]

dutchfire

Aug 09, 2008, 08:18 AM

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Session Start: Sat Aug 09 13:48:09 2008
Session Ident: #turnchat
* Now talking in #turnchat
* Topic is 'Civ4 Demogame III Turnchat Channel'
* Set by Chieftess on Sat Apr 12 18:32:53
* Chieftess sets mode: +v dutchfire
<dutchfire> hi
<Furiey> hi dutchfire
<Furiey> trying to remember how to re-register my nick - it's expired
<dutchfire> starting now
<Furiey> have you got a log going?
<dutchfire> Civ4 has autolog
<dutchfire> trade as per instructions
<dutchfire> science to 60%, education in 10
<dutchfire> treasury 820 (-9)
<dutchfire> turn 175
<dutchfire> Churchill demands Paper, I refuse
<dutchfire> cordoba completes court, starts rax
<dutchfire> all unit builds are queued up and go along instructions
<dutchfire> elephant and horse archer from Kassite towards NG stack, Pikeman takes over guard duty
<dutchfire> Current Babylonian garrison in Dur Kurigalzu 2 swords, 2 cats, 1 spear, 1 worker, 1 great prophet (new)
<dutchfire> 1 chariot in countryside
<dutchfire> babylon: 2 longbows, 1 cat, 1 spear
<dutchfire> 1 spear in countryside
<dutchfire> akkad 1 longbow 1 sword 1 spear
<dutchfire> education in 9
<dutchfire> treasury 811 (-4)
<dutchfire> churchill offers aesthetics for engineering + 300 gold
<dutchfire> I must admit, that englishman has got humour
<dutchfire> decline
<dutchfire> turn 176
<dutchfire> cordoba and venice grow
<dutchfire> spot caravel in Akkad
<dutchfire> all builds and worker actions according to instructions
<dutchfire> shushan defence: 1 longbow 1 sword
<dutchfire> spot caravel in babylon
<dutchfire> what is that nutjob doing? building 2 caravels, while you only want one
<dutchfire> mari: 1 longbow, 1 sword, 1 axe
<dutchfire> Eshnunna: longbow, longbow, crossbow, galley
<dutchfire> whow, opis is quite well defended
<dutchfire> 2 longbow, 1 x-bow, 1 mace, 1 ha, 2 chariots
<dutchfire> whip seville court for 2 pop
<dutchfire> 807 (-8) education in 8
<dutchfire> cordoba WE
<dutchfire> seville lighthouse
<dutchfire> whip venice pike for 2 pop
<dutchfire> 799 (-6) education in 7
<dutchfire> arkadia starts longbow
<dutchfire> turn 178 btw
<dutchfire> venice starts WE
<dutchfire> scratch that, venice starts samurai
<dutchfire> gandhi has nationalism!
<dutchfire> at least he isn't going for liberalism
<Furiey> gives us more chance of getting it anyway
<dutchfire> yeah
<dutchfire> education in 5, 793 (-2) treasury
<dutchfire> turn 179
<dutchfire> Lincoln got Guilds!
<dutchfire> 791 (-5) education in 4
<dutchfire> we may have to delay our attack, or form another attack plan
<dutchfire> barca starts forge, completes market
<Furiey> knights could change the picture a little
<dutchfire> indeed
<dutchfire> I'd be tempted to try 1889 attack plan now, straight through their hart, towards babylon
<dutchfire> 786 (+6) education in 3
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* Chieftess sets mode: +v Joe
<Joe> Bit late but iam here!
<Furiey> hi Joe Lincoln has Guilds, Ghandi has nationalism
<dutchfire> turn 181
<dutchfire> arkadia finishes longbowman, starts pike
<dutchfire> madrid starts forge
<dutchfire> an event!
<dutchfire> with a choice!
<dutchfire> Arkadia: 26 gold, or 13 gold and +2 culture for the colloseum?
<Joe> oh what is it!
<dutchfire> I vote for 26 gold
<dutchfire> we don't need no stinkin culture
<Joe> 26 gold
<dutchfire> Furiey?
<Furiey> unless we reall need the culture go for the gold
<dutchfire> 26 gold it is
<dutchfire> A great scientist is born in Barcalona
<dutchfire> so this is this TC's last turn
<dutchfire> final unit counts for babylon
<Joe> What can he bulbed?
<dutchfire> Akkad: Longbow, sword, spear
<dutchfire> Nippur: longbow, axeman
<dutchfire> Dur-Karigalzu: 2 swords, 2 cats, 1 spear, 2 chariots outside the city
<Furiey> at a guess, education at the moment currently due in 3 (or 2 now maybe)
<dutchfire> Borsipa: sword + axe
<dutchfire> horsearcher, chariot, chariot mace, outside the city
<dutchfire> knight outside the city
<dutchfire> opis: 2 longbow, 1 crossbow
<dutchfire> Eshnunna: 2 longbow, 1 crossbow
<dutchfire> Mari: longbow, sword, axe
<dutchfire> Shushan: longbow, sword
<dutchfire> sippar: longbow, axeman
<dutchfire> scientist will bulb education, indeed
<dutchfire> I suppose PP is the next thing, but I'd prefer to take that with liberalism
<dutchfire> so I suggest settling in arkadia
<Joe> Just checking, we are going of Lib arn't we?
<dutchfire> whip santiago courthouse for 2 pop
<dutchfire> we're going for liberalism
<dutchfire> lincoln, gandhi, augustus have optics for trade
<Furiey> that appeared to be the concensus, but don't think there was an actual decision on it
<dutchfire> augustus will trade optics (and 30 gold) for philosophy, I say take it, though we might want to wait till next TC to do it
<dutchfire> at current tech rate, we can get liberalism 11 turns from now
<Furiey> sounds good
<dutchfire> we can probably shave that back to 10 or even 9
<Joe> not bad at all
<Furiey> worth spending the gold if we have it
<Joe> Just keep some for events should they come up
<Furiey> yeah
<dutchfire> by shaving off, I mean by increased tech (and the known pre-reqs bonus
<dutchfire> question remains, what to take of liberalism? PP, Nationalism (meh) or Astronomy?
<Furiey> choice is between PP or Astro
<dutchfire> quite
<dutchfire> I prefer PP
<Furiey> I don't know the relative costs between the 2 or which benefits us best strategically
<dutchfire> Astronomy is nice for observatories, but we've got other things (units) to build for the next couple of turns
<Joe> I would choose Astro, expensive tech
<dutchfire> PP gives us more commerce immediately, which boosts our other research
<dutchfire> 3000 / 2400 beakers, but PP can make up for that with the added commerce quite easily, I hope
<Joe> You hope!???!!! only j/k, i can see arguements for both but in my games i would go with astro, something to discuss between the next turnchat and this one
<Furiey> that's a big difference though.
<dutchfire> PP is 20% cheaper
<dutchfire> but astro is near useless to us right now, IMO
<Furiey> we've also got the effect that knights will have on our attack plans to discuss
<dutchfire> indeed, I'm making a pic of the other battleplan right now
<Joe> Agred, astro is useless, i would go with PP then, we may get a GS to bulb Astro, providing GS's can do that.
<dutchfire> they can, I dunno if it's priority for them though (I think that it is as long as we can't research chemistry)
<dutchfire> any screenshot requests?
<dutchfire> I think our research should be Education - Liberalism - Take Printing Press - Guilds
<Furiey> I think we'll need the whole attack area. I find it so difficult not being able to open the save
<Joe> Sounds good, and no screenshot requests from me
<Furiey> need to know what are in each stack as well
<dutchfire> damn, what's the hide interface button again?
<dutchfire> anyone care to search for it on cfc?
<dutchfire> nevermind, I got it
<Furiey> what is it?
<dutchfire> alt - i
<Furiey> useful - I'll have to remember that if I every get to play Civ 4
<dutchfire> I named my western screenshots "east" :blush:
<Furiey> easy done - never eat shreaded wheat
<dutchfire> well, I know the difference between east and west, I just messed up
<Furiey> I know the difference between left and right, but I still mess that up too!
<dutchfire> lol
<dutchfire> I've got the screenshots for Lord Civius, and an attack plan, and a kassite screenshot
<dutchfire> I'll get some screenshots of our stack for you
<dutchfire> and I'll get the tech trade, and the tech tree
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<Joe> Sorry got disconnected
<Joe> Miss anything?
<dutchfire> no
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<dutchfire> 42 / 60 GG experience
<dutchfire> mental notes: Edorai engineer should be put to work in the iron mines
<Furiey> being dense - what does 42/60 GG experience mean?
<dutchfire> longbowman 2 W of Arete should go to santiago, and the WE there should go to an attack stack
<dutchfire> means we've got to get 18 experience points for our next great general
<dutchfire> mental note: philo for optics with augustus
<Furiey> ah yes, great general keep forgetting they're in BTS
<dutchfire> 18 exp, so we'll probably get him after we've taken a couple of babylonian cities
<Furiey> I will eventually get a PC I can play this game on...
<dutchfire> what type of pc do you have now? mine is crappy, but still (kinda) run BtS
<dutchfire> *runs
<dutchfire> my PC has 128 mb ram, I believe :P
<Furiey> 1.7GHz P4 with 512MB memory, GEforce 2 MX400 and Windows ME. Can't even start BTS, stumbles into vanilla but can't do anything other than small and still see floodplains in unexplored regions

New Log Entries
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Turn 174/500 (1140 AD) [09-Aug-2008 13:58:56]
Edorai finishes: Pikeman
Kassite finishes: Pikeman
Santiago's borders expand
Cordoba finishes: Courthouse

IBT:

Turn 175/500 (1150 AD) [09-Aug-2008 14:08:51]
Cordoba begins: Barracks (4 turns)
A Cottage was built near Madrid
New Giruvegan finishes: Pikeman
Venice grows: 6
Venice finishes: Lighthouse
Cordoba grows: 5

IBT:
Attitude Change: Augustus Caesar(Inca) towards Antimedius(Arete), from 'Cautious' to 'Pleased'

Turn 176/500 (1160 AD) [09-Aug-2008 14:19:18]
A Cottage was built near Venice
A Cottage was built near Madrid
Arete finishes: Trebuchet
Edorai grows: 10
Kassite grows: 9
Madrid grows: 7
Santiago grows: 5
Cordoba's borders expand
Cordoba finishes: Barracks
Seville finishes: Courthouse

IBT:
Hinduism has spread: Oxhuitza (Maya Empire)

Turn 177/500 (1170 AD) [09-Aug-2008 14:31:27]
Cordoba begins: War Elephant (6 turns)
Seville begins: Lighthouse (30 turns)
A Cottage was built near Arkadia
Edorai finishes: Samurai
Arkadia finishes: Aqueduct
A Hamlet was built near Arkadia
Venice grows: 5
Venice finishes: Pikeman
Barcelona grows: 9
A Hamlet was built near Madrid

IBT:

Turn 178/500 (1180 AD) [09-Aug-2008 14:39:01]
Arkadia begins: Longbowman (13 turns)
Venice begins: War Elephant (12 turns)
Venice begins: Samurai (14 turns)
A Plantation was built near Arete
Arete grows: 14
New Giruvegan finishes: Samurai
Arkadia grows: 13
Seville grows: 4

IBT:

Turn 179/500 (1190 AD) [09-Aug-2008 14:50:12]
A Cottage was built near Barcelona
Arete finishes: Samurai
A Town was built near Arete
Kassite grows: 10
A Hamlet was built near Kassite
Barcelona finishes: Market

IBT:
Civics Change: Churchill(Vikings) from 'Slavery' to 'Caste System'
Civics Change: Churchill(Vikings) from 'Paganism' to 'Organized Religion'

Turn 180/500 (1200 AD) [09-Aug-2008 14:59:18]
Barcelona begins: Forge (30 turns)
A Cottage was built near Madrid
A Farm was built near New Giruvegan
A Cottage was built near Arkadia
Edorai finishes: War Elephant
Arkadia finishes: Longbowman
Venice grows: 6
Xi Ling Shi (Great Scientist) born in Barcelona
Madrid grows: 8
Madrid's borders expand
Madrid finishes: Library
Santiago grows: 6
A Hamlet was built near Santiago

IBT:

Turn 181/500 (1210 AD) [09-Aug-2008 15:06:17]
Arkadia begins: Pikeman (15 turns)
Madrid begins: Courthouse (40 turns)
Madrid begins: Forge (40 turns)
A Mine was built near Nippur
A Cottage was built near Arkadia

Screenshots coming soon

Mental notes: Edorai engineer should be put to work in the newly completed iron mines.
Longbowman 2W of Arete should go to Santiago, and then War Elephant there should join an attack stack.

We can trade Philosophy to Augustus for Optics, I think we should take it.
We are ~10 turns away from Liberalism by my count.
We have a Great Scientist waiting in Barcalona.

<dutchfire> Akkad: Longbow, sword, spear
<dutchfire> Nippur: longbow, axeman
<dutchfire> Dur-Karigalzu: 2 swords, 2 cats, 1 spear, 2 chariots outside the city
<Furiey> at a guess, education at the moment currently due in 3 (or 2 now maybe)
<dutchfire> Borsipa: sword + axe
<dutchfire> horsearcher, chariot, chariot mace, outside the city
<dutchfire> knight outside the city
<dutchfire> opis: 2 longbow, 1 crossbow
<dutchfire> Eshnunna: 2 longbow, 1 crossbow
<dutchfire> Mari: longbow, sword, axe
<dutchfire> Shushan: longbow, sword
<dutchfire> sippar: longbow, axeman