Welcome to the new JNES2! It is placed in the time of the Civil war, with a few additions! The Alaskans (or Eskimos) and the Iroquois are still around and serve as a playable nations, as well as the Canadians. The Iroquois are posed a little further north then historically correct, but that is for fairness. As of now, the Union is not at war with the Confederacy, but are on VERY harsh terms with, as well as both of the American nations are with the natives.


MOVEMENTS
It is the same as UKNES2/3 and JNES. Each army can move on land per turn, and each navy one sea per turn.

FIGHTING
I have a system for fighting, but doubt anyone cares to hear about it. But, if someone asks I will post it here. If a province has a town or barracks in it, the defense is raised by one.

NEW MOVE: BOMBARDMENT
You may now bombard a coast with your fleets! This is how it works: A fleet may approach a province adjacent to the sea that the fleet is in, then the fleet can bombard. This is not the same as a land battle, however. A bombardment may only attack provinces with a town/barracks/docks in it. If the bombardment is successful, then one army (if any) in that province and/or one structure in the province is destroyed. A fleet can only bombard once a turn.

MONEY
You gain money from the amount of provinces you have x 3, or 3g per province. Towns can be built for 10g and generate 5g for that province each turn. You may build a docks or barracks in the town once you have one, but it IS NOT mandatory this time to have a town in order to build barracks/docks.

PROVINCES
When claiming a province, you need to move a army into it and build a settlement, or in this case pay 3g (very good idea, Nem!). Once the province is claimed, then you may building towns/barracks/docks in it.

BARRACKS AND DOCKS
You may construct a barracks in any province for 15g. You also may construct a dock in any province you wish for 15g, as long as it is a coastal one. If you already have a town in a province you wish to construct a dock/barracks in, the dock/barracks only cost 10g.

LOADING/UNLOADING
You may load an army (up to 4) onto one fleet in an adjacent sea. At the same turn, the fleet may unload the army into another adjacent land province, or move to another sea. When the fleet needs to move to another sea, it must wait a turn. The next turn, the fleet may unload and the move to another sea, load another army (but cannot unload the same turn), or bombard.
TRADING
This trading system was given to me by Uknemesis (with one minor detail that was added by me):
You get a +1g from every nation that borders you by land, as that is trading. You msut be connected to the other nation, and share a common border. To trade through sea, you must construct a trading fleet, which cost 3g and can be used over and over and is depicted as a colored circle in the water. You must load goods from a dock and either unload the load in another nation’s dock or capital. Trading vessels do not have any attack or defense value, and can only move one sea at a time.

NATIONS:
The Union – Capital 25 Trade/Warrior
The Confederacy – Capital 38 Uknemesis
Navajo – Capital 30 RoddyVR
Mexico – Capital 44 Kennelly
Columbia – Capital 53 open
Iroquois – Capital 21: Toasty
Canada – Capital 9 open
Eskimos (Alaskans) – Capital 3 Dexter
Vikings – Capital 56 IceEye

Nooooooooo! I typo in the title! lol. Anyways, game will start when 7 nations have been chosen.

Oh, and in case of confusion, 21 and 9 are NOT coastal capitals.

How much are armies and fleets to build and also how much gold do you have to start with?

BTW, I shall join as the Eskimos if that is alright?

Thanks

Nous ne pas des Iroquois! Nous a les Quebecois!

:rolleyes:.

I doubt that's correct French, but I'll join as the Quebecois. I'll think up a name later...

i'll join as the Navajo.

33 to 60 is a cross border, can that be walked by an army?
how often is the update gonna be?
how much gold do we start with?
do armies need upkeep?
can i build a town and a barrack at the same time?
i assume towns cant build armies. right?
can allies give ROP rights?

can armies/fleets of different nations (not at war) coexist in same area? if yes then whats the minimum agreement required: peace, nap, dpp, mpp???

if 100 armies attack 100 armies, what happens? ei in UKNES3 both will lose about 50 and the attacker will retreat. is it like that or do they fight to the end?

is there a militia in the provinces?

sorry for all the questions, i just figured better all (or a lot) in one post then a few pages of these questions. :)

MMMMMMMMMMexico!!! (to quote das)

I am Vikings!!!

do you need attack/docks to build armys/fleets and how much are they a piece? How much do you start with? Do you start with a town?

Address of Jean St. Pierre de Quebec
Let it be known that Quebec lays claim to Rue Laurent (18), Nova Scotia (24), Newfoundland (23), Labrador (22), Peninsule d'Ungava (19), and Caniapiscau (20), along with her capital, Kebec (21). any violation of these claims is to be considered a declaration of war, and we will not hesitate to secure our provinces through military means.

ill take the iroquois!!!!!

Ok, all the good questions in one post, good job Roddy!

33 to 60 is a cross border, can that be walked by an army?
I am not sure what you mean by this, as they are 2 seas away. You might have had a typo, but if not, no, an army can not cross without a transportation by a fleet.

how often is the update gonna be?
The update will be daily, usually in the evening California time (PST)

how much gold do we start with?
You start with 5g

do armies need upkeep?
Like in UKNES3, each army/fleet cost 1g per turn to keep

can i build a town and a barrack at the same time?
In the same province, no. In two seperate provinces, yes.

i assume towns cant build armies. right?
No, towns can not build armies, with the exception of your capital.

can allies give ROP rights?
Yes, they may. It must be agreed on both parts and renewed every turn (meaning you state it in your orders)

can armies/fleets of different nations (not at war) coexist in same area? if yes then whats the minimum agreement required: peace, nap, dpp, mpp???
Fleets may coexist in the same sea if the nations are not at war. Armies can coexist i nthe same province ONLY with a ROP between the nations.

if 100 armies attack 100 armies, what happens? ei in UKNES3 both will lose about 50 and the attacker will retreat. is it like that or do they fight to the end?
Unless specified otherwise, the armies will fight to the death.

is there a militia in the provinces?
Militia is only present when there is a town.

*Oh, and every structure is destroyed in a provicne if it is conquored.

Trickey, I think the Iroqouis belong to Toasty (who renamed them). Look at his claimes.

Trickey, I am the Iroquois, but I changed it to le Quebecois for fun :rolleyes:.

Cheif Waakka of the Eskimos:
Our people lay claim to the lands of Provinces 5, 6, 4, 59, 2 & 1. We hope that these lands can be aquired peacefully.

Oh, and IceEye:
You start with a town/Barrack and/or dockyard all in your capital. You start with 5g. Armies cost 3g, fleets 5g.

ill be canada then * hopes no one else has taken 'em*

Nope, its open.

We despertaly need players for the Union and Confederacy.

that question about cross borders, i screwed up the numbers,
i meant from 30 to 66, or 4 to 7 is same thing.

Hey I'll take Columbia

No one minds if I'm Pablo Edwenza (famous drug lord).

The Cartel of Columbia claims 41 42 43 48 50 52 55. I hope to sign a Latin Pact with Mexico.

hmm, I think i will stick with Nem and say it is impassable.

Ok, people may start sending in orders now. A few things though...

I your orders, please state how much you have to spend and what nation you are.


About moving:
Once you build an army, you may move it at the same turn. Yet, you can not attack, only defend. You may load to a fleet, and unload to another province at the same time (but remember, it can't attack).

In one turn, you may load an army on a fleet, and unload to another province bordering the sea the fleet is in. You may also load an army in a fleet, and the go to another sea, but may NOT unload until next turn. The next turn you may unload, and then move to another sea as well.
So, you can say that loading/unloading does not take any amount of a turn, and does not count as a move. You may load/unload as many times as you want in one turn.

Oh, and I will always send a reply to your orders saying I got them, so if you dont recieve something and you already sent orders, then I did not get them (dont want the same thing that happened to me on UKNES3 to happen here :))

i`ll be the confederacy.


i herby claim 24,40,26,27,63,64 and 15

I'll be the Union.

Confederates, you claim too much. If you so much as move anywhere near 27 or 26 I will declare war. You may have 40 though.

But I suggest we make 26 and 40 a DMZ to prevent a huge clash between our peoples, who still despise each other I fear.

Nemesis

Let it be known that the mighty Vikings led by Max Blåskägg claim all of Greenland as well as 55 and 5. Take any of those territories and face war!

To: Wakka of Eskimos
From: Vikings
Sorry pal, 5 is mine!

ooc: jason I don´t understand, can I start with all 3 or can I start with just 2? /ooc

Trader/warrior, you sure you aint confused? the confederacy is the southern US faction. you seem to have claimed as if you where the north.

To: Max Blaskagg
From: Waakka of the Eskimos
Do not be fool! my armies can reach the Province of 5 quicker than yours can. I claimed Province 5 first thus it shall be mine. I will not dispute your ownership of Province 55 though, that is yours to take.
Yours,
Chief Waakka

sorry, i meant to be the union.i mixed the names

Okay, it's up to you which one you want, Union or Confedracy.

I'll take whichever one you don't choose.

Nemesis

To: Wakka
From: Max Blåskägg
Why don´t you take 8 instead of 5?

IceEye: I am not quite sure what you are refering too.

Ok everyone, all nations have been chosen! You may start sending in orders that should have this:

I your orders, please state how much you have to spend and what nation you are.

Thanks! First update should be as soon as everyone gets their first orders in, then after that I will continue it daily.

Oh, and like UNKNES3, you may only bank 10g.

From:Benito Juarez
To:World

The independent Mexican empire seeks to free all Spanish speakers ruled by non-Spanish speakers or by Anarchy and Chaos.Therefore we claim 46 and 47 as a natural buffer zone between Mexico City and our friends in Colombia Colombia and 32,33,34,45 and 62.

To:Colombia

I agree to a Latin pact.It should include a MPP and a ROP.We should also declare seas O,Q,R,S,T,U,V to restricted zones for non-Latin pact ships.

jason: if i start with docks and town and barracks or just that I start with a town and can build as though I had a barracks

You just start as a town but can build fleets (if near water) and/or armies.

Jason, haven't you got cities or something like it, which can build fleets and armies?

And I can't send in orders yet, I need to hear which nation trader/warrior is taking.

Nemesis

1. does construction require the presence of an army?
2. if so does building something cost the army its movement point (it has to stand still for a turn to build something)?
3. if so then i hope the settlement(claiming a province) doesnot require a movement point- meaning on the second turn we can claim, move, claim. right?

as soon as i know this i will send my orders.

4. also, TRADING: do nations i am at war with count for the trading income?

OOC shouldn't the union and confederacy be at war to start with??

From Coumbia
To Mexico

Do you think we should sign a some sort pact with the Union as the confederacy would seek to hunt slaves off our people. Even a verbal support from the Latin Pact to the Union would be good.

I made it so the Union and the Confederacy wouldn't be at war with yet, so that the players could choose (I was afraid if I started them out in war, then no one would want to play as them!)

I don't have cities, just towns for now until all the provinces are claimed. :)

Construction does require the presence of an army, but you may move the army out the same turn you start construction. So it does not cost the army's moving point. Yes, you can claim - move - claim. And no, you can not trade with someone y ouare at war with. In fact, I am instating a new rule:

To trade with a neighbor, you must sign a RTT with them - a Right To Trade. Otherwise, trading does not happen.

i`ll take the union

Right, then I'm the Confederates.

My name is President Robert E. Lee.

My first act it to abolish slavery, so the slaves can help this country as equals.

This is to be funded by a huge injection of money into the economy. To fund this, I propose a RTT with the Union, who I am sure would like to help free the slaves.

From Columba
To Mexico and Confederates

I propose an RTT be signed with me. I hope this helps cement the Latin Pact as well as make the confederates freinds of mine.

to:confederate
from:union
i accept your offer


to:quebecans, vikings, canadians and alaskans
from:union
i propose we create the northern alliance, it would be a RTT, MPP and a ROP.this would help us improve our economy.

To:Confederates,Colombia
From:Mexico

I agree,let's sign a RTT.

still need orders from RoddyVR, Trickey,and Toasty.

Oh and BTW,
JNES Veterans: This time, since UK's trading system in this game is much easier then that of in JNES, and due to less nations, and a banking limit, the updates should be correct! lol.

If orders aren't in by 8pm PST, then I will move for them. I would hate to do this, though, as the first few moves are the most important!

TO COLUMBIA AND MEXICO

We agree to the RTT.

Lee

Whats the difference between GMT and PST because I am waiting for the update....

(take your time as long as its right :lol:

pacific standard time.(california)
gmt -8

Revolutionary: lol.

Anyways, it is 5:35 right now in Cali, and still I have recieved no new orders!

The navajo tribe Chieftain needs more of that white fire liquid you white men make. i offer RTTs to:
the Union
the Confederacy
Mexico
Canada
the Eskimos

edit: /ooc Jason, i sent the orders when i first made this post, dont have a confirmation from you though, did you get em?

I had to move for Canada

Roddy: Yes, I got the orders. Sorry if I didn't send a reply, I thought I did though.

Everyone has 6g to spend.

jason, i got your reply just after i edited that post.
you sure you dont need me to keep doing all the calculations? it might get a bit time consuming when this game gets going to do all the calculations yourself.

What's an RTT?

To:Navajo
From:Mexico

I agree to the RTT.

As of tomorrow I'm away in Spain for 2 weeks so I dont know what you want me to do. You could either control for me Jason or give it away.

ahhh, sorry guys, i dont thinhk ill be able to take part in this nes. I am to busy, sorry :(

troq, it Right to Trade. was added to the rules on the last post of the first page (post 40)

TO NAVAJO
FROM THE CONFEDERACY

We gladly accept the RTT.

Lee

I will control Rev's nation as my own for now. As fo the open territroy Tricky left, it is now open for anyone to join.

To Mexico
From Navajo

Friend,
65 and 66 are mine, i ask you not to send your army north.

Thank you.

To:Navajo
From:Mexico

Alright,you can have 65 and 66,but I claimed the Baja California (32) and if you take it you can consider yourself at war with Mexico and its allies.

TO THE WORLD
FROM THE CONFEDERACY

We claim 36, 37, 63, 38, 39, 41, 42 and 43 to be ours.

Anyone taking those will be met with war, however we will be willing to dicuss the fate of the Caribbean with our southern neighbours, so long as we get at least one province there.

Lee

there is no territory 35 ??? :confused:

I need orders from Trade/Warrior. I will wait for another 1/2 hour, but then I won't be able to get on 'till LATE tonight. You guys can vote to tell me if I should move for Trade/Warrior or not.

I had to move for Columbia, Canada, and Union


Confederacy has 12
Eskimos has 8
Navajo has 12
Columbia has 12
Quebeck has 12
Canadian has 12
Vikings has 9
Mexico has 8
Unionhas 12

Potential trading:

Navajo and Confederacy
Confederacy and Union
Union and Quebeck
Quebeck and Canada

This is Trading without trading fleets, of course. In your orders you must state if you are trading and to whome. Both orders of each nation trading must state that in their orders (to make it more simplistic for me)

map:

I will use my RTTs with the Confederacy and the Navajo to begin trading with them.

Next turn I will open trade links with Mexico.

Lee

UK, :)

AAAAHHHH, if you guys dont stop getting the Confederacy and the Union confused, i am gonna go bonkers.
i assume you meant your RTTs with the UNION and Navajo (me)

To the Union
From Navajo

I again offer an RTT, please respond.

The Navajo
.......

To Mexico and the Confederacy
From Navajo

I offer you both DPPs. if you feel that it is early for such heavy agreements, then how about a NAP (offering that too).
We hope to remain peacefull with all our neighbors. :)

The Navajo

Oops, yes I meant the Union, I was just in a rush this morning.

Anyway, from the Confederacy to Mexico and Navajo:

I agree to the DPP, and suggest we form a defensive tri-alliance.

Lee

I need orders from Toasty and Trade/Warrior. Good job on getting in orders everyone, I almost got everyone's orders in one night!

Mexico agrees with the DPP with Confederates and Navajo.
But,General Lee,be aware I will support my ally Colombia in every conflict which may arise in the Caribbean as both of you claim 41,42 and 43.

this NES is not doing so well if I can get two updates on the same page! Oh well, I will keep updating in hopes that conflicts will arise :) Update should be in about 1 1/2 hour. I have to catch up on the UKNES3...lol

Just had to move for Columbia and Canada


Confederacy has 12g to spend

Eskimos has 14g to spend

Navajo has 14g to spend

Columbia has 12g to spend

Quebeck has 14g to spend

Canadian has 14g to spend

Vikings has 10g to spend

Mexico has 14g to spend

Union has 9g to spend



From Columbia
To the world:

We, as Columbians, claim province 41. In no way shall we mettle in the affairs of the Americans, but this land must be Columbian land!

lol, it was pretty funny when only two nations, Union and Navajo, sent orders to trade with certain nations, but those nations didnt say anything. Therfore, they couldnt trade. I thought it was funnly that the two nations that tried couldnt even trade with each other! lol

[JTK,Revolutionary already claimed the whole Caribbean I think]

To:Navajo and Confederacy
From:Mexico

I will order my merchants to trade with you this year and hopefully centuries to come.

To:Union

Unionist troops close to Cuba and Haiti?Be aware I will support Colombia.

The Confederacy claims Cuba. Columbia can have Haiti, but Cuba is Confederate.

Lee

/ooc

to jason.
dont worry its only a bit slow now cause there has not been much to discuss yet, we just claiming territories for now. It will pick up. :)

To everyone else.
i dont know how many people realized this (no many it seems). but i would like to clarify for everyone (sorry Jason if im stepping on your toes, but its making me loose money):
your orders HAVE TO say:
i am trading with country 1
i am trading with country 2
or something to that effect EVERY TURN. else your RTT agreements are USELESS. Jason correct me if im wrong, but i dont think i am.
BOTH countries have to have the trade in their orders in order to get money.
I CAN NOT believe that i didnt get EITHER of the trades i was expecting (confederates and mexico), i assume you guys misunderstood the rules, but you better shape up.
/end ooc
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To Canada (does it have a ruler?)
From Navajo

we need to discuss the fates of territories 14 and 15.
I make no claims to territory 15, you and the Union can decide its fate among your selves.
however, i do have my sights set on 14. i think that because i am staying out of 15 i should be allowed to PEACEFULLY claim 14.
Please respond as soon as possible.

Also i had offered you a RTT and would like your answer (prety sure i never got one). once we have come to a decision on 14, i would also like to sign a NAP or even a DPP if you like.

Your Peacefull Neighbor,
The Navajo

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To the Union
From Navajo

At the end of this year (are turns years in this game?) we will share a common border. i again ask you to sign an RTT as it will benefit both of our nations.
FYI i am staying out of the claims for territory 15 so you have to discuss its fate with Canada.

Your Friendly Neighbor,
The Navajo

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To Confederacy and Mexico
From Navajo

I am glad that we have all signed DPPs with eachother. I hope that we can be friends for a long time.
I must make clear my stand on the Cuba/Haiti issue:
As per the DPP agreements, I will side with the first nation to BE ATTACKED (thats out of mexico or Confederacy, i have no DPP with Columbia). That means that if war breaks out (i hope it doesnt):
i will join the conflict only if Columbia attacks confederacy FIRST. then i will join the confederacy.
OR
Mexico and the Confederacy start fighting, then i will join the one who was attacked.
Basicaly i am saying that the relationship of Mexico to the Cartel have NO bearing on my side in this conflict. I do not consider an attack on Columbia to be an attack on Mexico, even if Mexico does.

just wanted to be clear of my standing in case there was confusion.

The navajo

jason, could you do me a BIG favor,
Could you edit the original post to put in the names of who has which country?
i think (and kind of would like to be sure) that Canada dont have a player.
Revolutionary is on vacaion in Spain, which country does he have?
Toasty it turns out is also on vacation.
Troq is on some music retreat (though he seems to check in VERY regularly).
i am not sure what else is going on, but it would be nice to have one place to see who has which country.

Thanks,
Roddy


EDIT: also i have a rules question:
how does giving money to another nation work?
if i give money this turn, when is the earliest they can use it?
do we BOTH have to have the orders for the money 'transfer'?
does gold given by another nation affect the max 'banking' amount? how?

Sure roddy, I will edit the first post on the names.

Bout money transfer: You get the same turn they give, and it can be any amount. So, if I were a country, lets say I give you 11g this turn, you can use it this turn. It does not affect your bank money, only if you don't spend it of course.

To Navajo and Union
From Canada

This is what I see fit should happen - I get territory 14, in exchange for the Union, I will allow them to have 15 and 16. How does this sound? Navajo still has an extremely good amount of land to the west, while the Union and I are gritting teeth just for the 6. I will pay Navajo 6g in 3g incraments for the territory.

sound fair to me. i would REALY apreciate the gold first instalment this turn (though i dont need it to be 3 gold, you want you can split it 1-5, it dont matter to me as long as i get atleast 1 gold now:))

OK for me


to:the confederacy
from:union
i claim the eastern half of cuba.


to:canada and quebecans
from:union
i offer you both an DPP or even a MPP if you want it, i also offer a RTT(canada:my answer to your RTT is yes).

TO THE UNION
FROM THE CONFEDERACY

Very well, you may have the eastern part of Cuba so long as I get the western part.

But in return I ask for a DPP between our nations to prevent the Columbians forcing us to retreat from the Caribbean.

Lee

PS: Jason, have I sent orders in yet? With this damned Toasty thing, I can't remember whether I have or not.

i accept

i accept navajos rtt offer

Sorry I havn't been on all day.
Nem: No, you havn't sent order yet. I'm sorry, I can;t wait, as you and one other person are the only ones who havn't sent orders yet, so I must update. It will be in about 1/2 hour, I will check for your orders before the update.

I had to move for the Union, Confederacy, Columbia, Quebeck, and Canada. Due to the amount of people I was moving for, I am sorry if I screwed up trading a little. From the people I recieved orders from, trading commenced as follows:
Confederacy traded with:
Union
Navajo
Mexico

Union traded with:
Confederacy

Mexico traded with:
Navajo
Confederacy

Navajo traded with:
Confederacy
Mexico

Union traded with:
Confederacy

*Note, I will not do the above every time (are you kidding me? lol) This was just because I wanted to set myself up for next turn, and to make sure it is correct

Anyways, for next turn:

Confederacy has 22g to spend!

Eskimos has 14g to spend!

Navajo has 35g to spend!

Columbia has 26g to spend!

Quebeck has 27g to spend!

Canadian has 21g to spend!

Vikings has 10g to spend!

Mexico has 24g to spend!

Union has 20g to spend!


Also, NEW RULE CHANGE

You can now conduct Espionage by doing the following:
Sending in, with your orders,
*a messange stating who you are conductiong in towards
*It costs 15g (has to paid in one turn)

I will role to see if you will succeed (adding and subtracting bonuses by looking how friendly you are with that nation, by observing the game [least important] and realising how many pacts you have with them). If caught, you do not get the information, and I will anounce it on the game. Most likely you will succeed if you have relievly good relations. If you succeed, I will copy and paste the victims orders and send it via PM pack to you.

-Jason

Map:

Also, sorry about the map, guys. What was really supposed to be was a 10th civ, Sioux, in Montana, but there were to little province. Yet, there was too many for just 9, also! Anyways, sorry for the unbalance in Navajo and the American nations.

From:Mexico
To:Colombia

My goods will begin to flow into your country this year,I hope yours do as well.

timing questions:

1. can one army : build a town(or barracks), move, and build another town in one turn? (i think your answer before ment yes, but i want to make sure)
2. can a barracks built this turn build an army the same turn? (i doubt it, but again want to be sure)

because the way the map is it gave me a DEFINITE advantage to grab land, AND i have been able to abuse it to the max:
The navajo have decided that we need wiskey more then we need the holylands of our ancestors!
We are putting territories 54 and 64 up for sale.
we will only sell one of them this turn. (the other i will think about afterwards, but will proly sell too)

Let the bidding beggin, tell me which territory you want and how much you are willing to pay for it! you can give offers anyway you want, lump sums now (which i would prefer) or lump + per turn

Navajo

To: Vikings
From: St. Jean-Pierre de Quebec
Subj: Newfoundland

The Viking seizure of this province, which had been previously claimed by Quebec with no disagreement on the part of the Viking nation, constitutes nothing short of a declaration of war against my nation. Therefore, you have until next turn to withdraw or face the fighting force of le Quebecois.

To: The Union of the United States and the Dominion of Canada
From: St. Jean-Pierre de Quebec
Subj: Trade agreements

We believe it would be in our nations' mutual interests to presume a peaceful trade agreement coupled with a defensive pact to fend off any enemies that may pose threats to our region.

TO NAVAJO
FROM THE CONFEDERACY

I will buy 54 from you for 10 gold this turn.

Sound fair?

Lee

to:quebeck
from:union
i accept your gracious offer

To Quebeck
I am sorry, but Canada dosn't wish for war yet, and that is what we shall recieve upon signing a DPP with you at this moment. Canada shall remain nuetral in your conflict with the Vikings.

-Canada

Oh, and I will be changing the color of canada next turn, it loks too much like the Union.

To: Canada
From: Vikings
Lets trade and sign a MPP!

To: Eskimos
From: Vikings
Lets trade and sign a MPP!

To:Navajo
From:Mexico

I offer you 11g for 54.

To:Quebec

You can't lock away the vikings on their island.

To:Vikings

I offer you a DPP to protect from Quebecois aggression.

To Confederacy
From Navajo

i would like to make as much money as possible from this selling off of land, and there for would like to make it a bidding process.
if i do not have any bids by the end of the year then we have a deal. as i plan on selling both 54 and 64 eventualy, it does not matter to me which one i sell firts and to who, as long as i get as much money as i can. :D

/ooc UK i aint sure how exactly to make this work out timewize.
i could just put in the orders "take the best deal" but i aint sure Jason would like that (jason?), and it could "use up" money of 2 (or more) nations that make offers, which isnt good business.
if you want, give me a time by when to make my decision and i will tell you before then.


EDIT: wow, mexico (kennelly) posted while i was writing this. LET THE BIDDING BEGIN (countinue?)

Jason, the espionage:
whats the point, if i already subminted my orders(with the espionage in them) then what good will knowing another's orders be?
also before i send my orders, i need you to answer the 2 questions i have above
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?postid=412903#post412903
thanks

TO NAVAJO
FROM THE CONFEDERACY

I offer you 10 gold this turn, 10 gold the next and 5 gold the turn after that in return for 54 and 64(64 can be given next turn if you wish).

Lee

WOW

well this is working out prety well for me aint it ! :D

to the Confederacy

That offer sounds fair to me. however you will understand if i want to give the Union a fair chance at bidding
(/ooc i would accept your offer, but not sure if warrior has even seen my offer of land and my 'fairizing' the map wouldnt be too fair if i didnt give him a chance. Warrior/trader please post if you are interested asap)

sorry, im not interested

to:quebeck
from:union
i claimed 24 earlier in the game.i will only sign a DPP or a MPP with you if you give me that province.i can also throw in 3 gold.

From Navajo

To Union
Ok, your loss :(


To Confederacy
I accept your deal. 25 gold (10+10+5) for 54 (this turn) and 64 next turn.
i would GREATLY appreciate it if you could give me 11 the first turn, and subtract one from one of the other turns. if that is not possible then that would be fine i guess.

/ooc UK unlike in UKNES3, in this banking system , that does work. the money you give me i use NOW and then decide how much of mine+yours i bank. /ooc

Your friends and neighbors,
The Navajo people

I am not sure what you mean, Roddy, what two questions?

3 posts down from the last update.
i need to kwno if i need more armies to do my industrialization or if the armies i have can do 2 territories a turn each.

It takes the army's turn, so you need one army per province per turn.

-Jason

Jason, please instead of banking my 1 gold, send it to Roddy as well.

Thanks

Nemesis

PS: Roddy: This means you will only receive 9 gold next turn, then 5 the turn after.

cool,
now that i have my aswers, i got to make my orders
jason, will send in a few minutes

The navajo people have gotten word from the children of explorers that our ancient forfathers sent out to explore the ocian. we hereby claim territories 60 and 61 as our own.

Roddy: Also, one would send espionage request earlier, before sumbitting orders, to get it.

Update in 2 hours, and I still only have 5 out of 7 orders! I don't want to have to move for four people!

Confederacy has 20g to spend!

Eskimos has 27g to spend!

Navajo has 36g to spend!

Columbia has 19g to spend!

Quebec has 13g to spend!

Canada has 27g to spend!

Vikings has 27g to spend!

Mexico has 28g to spend!

Union has 24g to spend!


Examples of docks are in provinces 13 and 45. Towns are in 48, 14, etc. Also, barraks will look like docks, just will be squares.

NEW RULE AGAIN

Pirates will now begin to roam the seas. Most of them will arrive and group together in the Carribean and Hawaii, although some may appear in the north. They will be in VAST hordes, probably 3 fleets big full of raiders, they will probably take a province right away, no stopping that, but it's up to you to take it back.

If an island province is help for 1 turn by pirates, then it becomes a Pirate haven and more will appear as if it were a "pirate nation".

Pirates will appear by the following random generate:
I roll a d3, 1 means it is in the Pacific, 2 in the Atlantic, and 3 in the Artic.
Then I roll a die for how ever many seas are in that ocean, and then the pirates appear in the asisigned. This will only happen some turns, not all.

To: Mexico
From: Vikings
Ok a DPP it is!

To: Quebec
From: Vikings
Stop massing troops in 22. I want them removed or else I will declare war.

Jason, where's my second fleet? I'm sure I ordered one.

Nemesis

To: The Vikings
From: Jean St. Pierre de Quebec
Subj.: Re: Prov. 22

Province 22 is a Quebecois province. As is 23, which you occupy, denying previously made Quebecois claims to the province. I have already demanded that you withdraw from it or face war with me, which you have ignored. Appearantly I must reiterate it.

WITHDRAW FROM 23 IMMEDIATELY OR FACE WAR WITH QUEBEC.

To: The Union of the United States of America
From: Jean St. Pierre de Quebec
Subj.: Re: Prov. 24

Province 24 was claimed by the Quebecois long before any other nations laid claim to it, and was also the second province aquired--had you had serious intentions of the ownership of the province, you would have said something earlier. Therefore, we must respectfully decline your offer, but still hope our nations can find friendship.

To: The Alaskans
From: Jean St. Pierre de Quebec
Subj.: War against the Vikings

War with the Viking confederation looms ahead. I would like to suggest a wartime alliance amongst our nations, as you stand to gain province 55 and I 24. Were province 55 taken by your forces, we could then proceed to engage in lucrative trade across the Labrador Sea. This could prove to be a highly profitable endeavor. Would you be willing to accept?

to:quebecois
from:union
i see now that i should have said something earlier about province 24, i will not be angry about it anymore. i suggest we sign a MPP or a DPP. if there comes a war with the vikings i can help you with transporting your troops

NO WAY IN HELL! (pardon my language)

HOW can mexico have a dock in 45. he DID NOT have it claimed last turn.
i thought you could not claim a province AND build something in it the same turn?????
I assume that this was some sort of oversite! (or else there is gonna be problems over hawaii)

if i understand what happened in 45 its like this:
the army was there last turn, but the province was NOT claimed
during last turn that one army:
Claimed the province
Built a Dock
Moved away to another province.

is that right?
if that IS legal, then i got questions (again):
1 could it have built a town in the province it moved to?
2 claiming a province is "building a settlement", does that not count as building (meaning the army that claims can build something at the same time)?


To mexico
From Navajo

I hope that the dock you built is stricktly for the purpose of claimng California (or whatever that sausage looking thing is), and not an attempt to claim hawaii.

Navajo

To mexico
From Navajo

As we have promised you territory 32 you are welcome to take it.
both of the hawaiian islands are ours.
if you wish we are willing to trade you one of the hawaiian island for california. But we WILL have 2 of the unclaimed territories and you will have 1. Take your pick.

Navajo


/ooc i just noticed that the union pulled the same "claim and build in one turn" thing, so i guess i just misunderstood something. dang.

From:Mexico
To:Navajo

It is indeed for claiming Hawaii and the Baja California (32).When you also sell 64 and get Hawaii,you'll have 10 provinces and I 8.This is inacceptable so I'll take one of the Hawaiian islands,so we both have 9.

Nem: Your new fleet is in N, like you ordered.

I'm the Confed., not the Union

To: Canada
From: Vikings
A DPP perhaps???

to Mexico
From Navajo

sorry friend,

you cannot have 2 of the 3 territories.
even though my engeneers screwed up (i misunderstood the building rules it seems) and built the dockyard in the wrong province and a year late, i will still claim both of the hawaiian islands.
i do not want war with you, and there fore i am telling you that i will have fleets in ocean W this turn, and they will have standing orders to protect the hawaiian islands by sinking any fleet that tries to disembard armies onto the islands. per our earlier agreement, i am peacefully letting you have Baja California (whats a Baja?). please do not cause a conflict between our nations by trying to claim hawaii.

The peacefull Navajo People

To mexico
From Navajo

Friend,
I urge you to look at the logistics of our current dispute over hawaii.
i have MUCH more gold then you (cause i'm selling 54).
i will build fleets(in seaZ), move them to sea W, and then transport the 3 troops i have in 31 to hawaii. all of this, will be done this year!
(/ooc Jason, does more then one fleet have to have armies on it in order to disembark to BOTH islands?
or can one fleet disembark armies to both? and leave the other to help for a posible fight at sea./ooc)

that means i can claim hawaii now, while you have to have your army(just one) board the fleet before it moves, and therefor have to stay on the ship for a year.

Please reconsider your intentions, or you will loose california in the war you start.

The Navajo
----------------------
To Canada
From Navajo

i offer you an MPP. in case thats too heavy an agreement for you, i am inclosing an offer for a DPP and a NAP also, please sign and return the treaty that you would like to sign. (prety sure we have a RTT already)
Thank you,
Navajo

Baja in Spanish means lower, or short, I believe

Nem: LOL, oops. I will change. Think of one of those to be yours!

One fleet can disembark on both islands in one turn.

To Navajo
From Canada

We accept your DPP and NAP, but feel a MPP is not what we need as of the moment.

Originally posted by Jason The King
It takes the army's turn, so you need one army per province per turn.

-Jason

jason, just found this on the previous page. please explain to me exactly what an army can and can't do in one turn.

1. army starts turn in an unclaimed territory.
1A. army can ONLY build the settlement (claim the territory) but can move afterward
1B. army can build the settlement and ONE structure (town/barracks/dock).
1Ba but cant move afterward
1Bb but CAN move afterward
2. the army moves into a territory first and then:
2A it can ONLY claim the territory
2B it can claim the territory AND build a structure


i am VERY confused now, because i think i am reading conflicting posts, PLEASE explain this.
Thanks

EDIT: the union just did 2B
mexico just did 1Bb

To: Canada
From: Vikings
We need an answer soon, do you accept a MPP or DPP?

From Canada
To Vikings
We accept a DPP.

Roddy:

I am glad you caught me on this. Mexico's move is illegal, and I will fix it right away. Union's move is also illegal, as it took the army's turn to move into the province. The union actually will have to wait until this turn to claim it. Mexico will have it's army still in the province.

The LEGAL way to do it is:
1b or 1a, both are legit. As for 2, it can only claim the province, nothing else.

Everyone: SORRY FOR POOR MODERATION!! I HAVE BEEN BUSY WITH JNES-FANTASY. I DO ASSURE YOU, THOUGH, THAT IT WON"T HAPPEN AGAIN AS JNES-FANTASY HAS STARTED AND I DON"T HAVE TO THINK UP RULES ANYMORE!

-Jason

To:Navajo
From:Mexico

My fleets will reach W as fast as yours [or not,Jason?].
My fleets won't open fire,if yours do all my DPPs will be activated,so plan your actions carefully.

I don't find this very good.All my orders and diplomacy this turn were about my and Roddys troops arriving the same time in Hawaii.There would almost have been a war between us two about this!

Roddy,I suggest,we both ignore all diplomacy made between us this turn and return to our DPP and RTT agreement and friendly relations.

To:Navajo
From:Mexico

I inform you I'll build a dockyard in 45 this turn to claim the Baja California later on.

jason, thanks for the answer, but you confused me even more.

on turn 2 EVERYONE (almost) claimed, moved and claimed with same army. so the union should be allowed to claim the territory last turn, just not build the town.

as for mexico: thats a relief that he cant do that.

To Kennelly, no prob, we ignore the (almost) hostilities of this turn.

To mexico:
It is good to know that you honor our ancestrial ties with hawaii (ye i made it up, but its a game :D). we will have a long and profitable friendship.

The Navajo

Roddy, like I said above, you can only claim the province after you move, nothing else. I am even confusing myself! I mixed Union and Mexico up, but it's all good, right? lol.

I think what Jason means is this:

An army begins in Province A, which is unclaimed. It can claim this province, and then move to Province B and claim that one, but not build on either yet.

The next turn, it begins in a claimed Province B. It could stay there this turn and build something, but then can't move.

Basically, that's an easy example of what I think Jason is trying to say.

Oh, and Jason, I wouldn't worry about the moderating mistakes, I make them often!

Nemesis

Nem, you are a GOD! That is exactly what I was trying to say! Thank YOU!

I only have 4 orders, so I will give everyone else time to put there's in, I won;t update having to move for more then half of the nations. That's when I make the mistakes. Many of those who submitted orders will get a PM soon, as many mistakes were made in the orders, because of my lack of explaining what Nem just so easily did!

-Jason

Jason: A god? Perhaps :p

But seriously, I know what you're trying to say cause most of it is the system I made lol.

Nemesis

cool, thats what i thought it should be!
i think we should make a 'standard' set of rules (if there aint one already), that include everything, and if the mod of a new game wants to tweak he can, but atleast the basics wont have to be Q&A every time.
jason, im sending orders in a few mins, just rushed through my UKNES3 orders, (think i made it). sending these now.

To confederacy

Friend,
I assume that our deal is still going strong, and that you have sent me 9 gold this turn. and i am selling 54 to you.

/ooc UK my orders include the 9 gold from you, so if you didnt send them that would kind of suck :)

EDIT: orders sent. warning: for next turn i gonna be asking alot about trade fleets, so be ready :lol:

I'm pretty sure I sent 9 gold, better ask Jason though, since I deleted all PMs due to the UKNES3 update(I have to or I get mixed up with old and new orders lol).

Also, Jason, if I didn't include it in my orders, trade with the Union, Mexico and the Navajo.

Nemesis

9 is going to Navajo from Confederacy.

Roddy: BRING IT ON! I got the trading ALL worked out (i hope)

so what i want to know is:
where's the update? :D

I still only have 4 orders in! that means I have to move for more the half, and I REALLY do not think I should, due to the fact I'm accident prone and that that would take me at least 2 hours. I will wait until I get at least 2 more orders.

Sorry guys.

wow, dam only 4. well even though i would like the update asap, i agree that its not a good idea to do it with so few orders in. whats wrong with people? this is proly the EASIEST part of the game, we took all (almost) land that we can, so now we industrialize. how long can it take to decide which towns to build first? COME ON already.

EDIT: wow read my own post and thought it sounded a bit too bitter. most of that should be read with a sarcastic tone (why aint there a sacrasm smily?)

There is, at least for me anyway. It's this one :p

Nemesis

ya, got one more order, I might update with that, I will wait another 4 hours though (i have to go out).

-Jason

Here is the update. I got most orders in after 2 days. For those of you who seem to have missing structures, say so and I will explain, as some orders were not legit. Oh, and instead of banking people's money who do not send in orders, and nations without players, I will leave them to stagnat. Only when a non-player country is attacked will I act accordinly.

Battles [b]

[b]Vikings Against Quebec

Vikings ships from Quebec seas (sea J, couldn’t bombard from H as the ships were new and can not attack) opened fire on land that to their surprise lay desolate. Fixing their aim on the docks, the ships began massive bombardment until finally the docks collapsed.

Losses: Quebecois dock

Quebec Against Vikings

Escaping a tragedy on their own land, newly built Quebec fleet quickly transported 6/7ths of the entire army of Quebec. They met the challenge on the other side of the sea, however. It was hardly a battle, as the quick and well-trained Quebec troops quickly outnumbered and flanked the barbarous Viking settlement.

Losses: 2 Viking armies, one Viking province.




Confederacy has 16g to spend!

Eskimos has 28g to spend!

Navajo has 38g to spend!

Columbia has 19g to spend!

Quebec has 21g to spend!

Canada has 27g to spend!

Vikings has 18g to spend!

Mexico has 19g to spend!

Union has 29g to spend!

OK,Jason,as you said I ask:where is the town in 46?

i think i have all my structure, BUT 64 was supposed to be handed over to Confederacy, wasnt it??? he did send the 9 gold right, so 64 should be his.

EDIT:
DAM... just reread the orders i sent. i had put 54 instead of 64 in it. its my fault not Jason's


To Confederacy
From Navajo

Friend,
I have just found out about a blunder on my warchiefs part. It seems he misunderstood taht you were supposed to get both territories and only handed over one of them. i will compensate you the income you would have gotten from province 64 this turn.
It WILL be handed over right NOW. as per our agreement you still owe me 5 gold for the deal, but now i owe you 3 for lost income, so you send me 2 and we will be even.

Navajo

/ooc unless jason decides to overlook my typo in the orders.:D
sorry bout this UK.

wheres the town in 26

Navajo, that's fine.

Lee

Trade/Warrior: There is no town there because you didn't have an army there to build one. You must have an army in the province in which you want to build a town.

Kennelly: You can't build a town with a new unit. All a new unit can do on first turn is move and defend.

Hi, I've been reading this NES -

If 21 and 9 are not coastal capitals, how were the Quebecois able to build fleets? [I thought it said somewhere they weren't coastal?]

Quebec had a port in 22 but was bombarded and destroyed after his fleets were made.

to:quebecois
from:union
i have offered you a MPP, i can send you help in your war against the vikings.so please send an answer quickly.

From: Vikings
To: Canada, Mexico
Canada and Mexico I have DPP with you, please attack Quebec now.

From:Mexico
To:Quebec

As I have a DPP with the Vikings I declare war on you.

To Quebec

Canada declares war on you.

-Canada

I will sign the MPP, America. Please activate you DPPs and attack Canada/Mexico.

Confederacy has 26g to spend!

Eskimos has 28g to spend!

Navajo has 39g to spend!

Columbia has 19g to spend!

Quebec has 21g to spend!

Canada has 27g to spend!

Vikings has 16g to spend!

Mexico has 20g to spend!

Union has 24g to spend!

Oh, and if you haven’t noticed, I have scrapped the trading.

oops....

To:Colombia
From:Mexico

Friend,I request your help in my war against the evil Quebecois.

i ordered a town in 16

i just want to get this strait in my mind (and maybe a couple other people's)
the war between Vikings and Quebec has escalated into:

Vikings, Canada, Mexico (trying to get Columbia in too)
VS
Quebec, Union, (am i missing anyone?)

To Mexico (and Confederacy)
From Navajo

Dear friends,

The northern war is quickly escelating way out of its boundries, i do NOT want to get involved in that war. I have a DPP with both of you and therefore would like to ask both of you not to get involved in that war.
I signed DPPs with you so that i WOULD NOT get involved in wars. As the northern war threatens neither of you, i will consider your involvement in it purely aggressive and will not activate the DDP when your troops/fleets start dying in a war far away from your shores.

/ooc
jason i got another question.
are fleet convoys legal in this game?
for example could the soldier vikings have in 57 attack 23 THIS turn by getting on the one ship in F and then 'transfering to' one of the ships in H and THEN disembarking onto 23?
to tell you the truth i always found that to be unrealistic, so would prefer if it were not allowed, but its your rules/game, so whats the answer?

To:Navajo and Confederacy
From:Mexico

I only entered this war because of my DPP with the Vikings.As I'm however the one attacking Quebec and maybe Union of course your DPPs with me are not activated.I will request your help if someone declares war on me,i.e. Alasca.
Navajo,if you do not want to get involved in wars cut your ties withg other nations.I have no need for a relations to a nation who would not help me if I'm attacked.

ties?
i think the dpp with you and Confederacy is the strongest links i have to anyone. i think i have a NAP with canada, but ill cancel that if you want, though i dont see why you take such a 'demanding' attitude.

to:navajo and confederacy
from:union
i kindly request that you do not give mexico a ROP, this would help stop the war.

To:Navajo

You said you signed DPPs not to get involved in wars.I think thats the wrong way to make this sure,because you have an OBLIGATION to help me if I'm attacked.If you don't want this it would be better for both of us to end our DPP.
I only demanded you to fulfill your obligations,you tried to dictate me my foreign policy.

To:Union

I assume by this statement it is sure that you aid the Quebecois?If so,I declare war on the United States of America.

Trade/Warrior,

I didn't get that in your orders. Here is what I got from you:
union orders

build two fleets and move them to J.move fleet in M to J.build three armys move one to 26 and one to 40 and the last stays in 25.trade with navajo

P.S. How do you guys like the Orange for Navajo? It seems more of a Navajo color then what it was.

-Jason

To mexico

the obligation i am under because of the DPP is:
if you get attacked i come to your defence.

i think we agree on that, what we seem to disagree on is what 'Attacked' means.

if you send 2 fleets of soldiers into quibecks territory and they DIE there, i do not consider you attacked.
if you send soldries to quibeck and take a territory, then quibeck takes it back- I DO NOT consider you as being attacked.
you are JOINING this war OF YOUR OWN FREE WILL. that is why i am saying that i will not get involved in it. your obligation to other countries (your MPPs, DPPs and so forth) are of no consern to me. if you are peacefull and get attacked THAT is when i will come to your deffence. I have no obligation to come to the aid of the Vikings just because you are friends with them.
if i understand correctly then (and if i am wrong i appologise) you seem to consider our DPP to be the equivalent of an MPP.

The navajo.


To the Union.

I have no war with you, i would actualy like to be friends. you have my assurances that no foreign armies shall be allowed to walk through our territory.

To World
From Navajo

To cause less confusion in who 'should' side with who in the Quibeck/Vicking war, the navajo people have decided to break off all Treaties except the DPPs with the Confederacy and the Mexicans. Since the world trading system has collapsed there is no reason for RTTs anymore, and those that i have NAP with, i am sorry for breaking it, but i do not want to have to be obligated to two oposing treaties.
I sicerely hope that Mexico and the confederates do not decide to join opposing sides as that will put me in a bind.

From:Mexico

I do not see our DPP as a MPP!If I'd do so,I would request your help in war against Quebec/Union.I agree with your definition of being attacked and attacking.I declared war on USA and Quebec,so you don't have to help me.
BUT if i.e. the Alascans join the war and attack me I demand you help me.If you're not willing to do so,say this and I will draw consequences.

to mexico

as long as we are agreed.

if someone attacks YOU, i will come to your aid.

Update in about 5 hours, and I need orders from Trickey Toasty and Roddy, + Dexter if he wants to send in new orders (check your PM box, Dexter). Otherwise those nations will be stagnate this turn :(.

Also, starting next turn (so dont send in new orders for this turn!) are the abilities to make cities! You must have a town, and either a barracks/docks (like in UKNES3) in order to build a city. Advantages include: Construction of both units, and added defense bonus!

-Jason

oh ya, lol, cities cost 15g.

i sent mine right around when you put that post up. you get em?

Yes, Roddy, and I remember reading them. I am looking at my orders I have now, though, and I'm not seeing it. I recently erased all my PM's too, so if you still have it can you send them back to me. Sorry.

-Jason

Nevermind, I just got the onese you sent again. Thanks.

so if my math is right, update in 9 minutes? ;)

yup

Battles

Confederates VS Union

A very sneaky attack, combined forces from provinces 63 and 36 (2 armies) ambushed the laxed Union defenses in 27. Despite the surprise, the fortified Union soldiers were able to kill a Confederate army.

Losses: 1 Confederate army, 2 Union armies, 1 Union province

Confederates VS Union

Expected to be another great battle, the Confederate troops led by former-president Jefferson Davis (lol) literally walked into the province and set up base without any defense attacks.

Losses: 1 Union province

Confederates VS Union

The first major naval battle between these two superpowers, the Confederates were already in high attitudes because of the past won battles. That may have been why they lost an embarrassing defeat when it was two Confederate fleets against one Union fleet.

Losses: 2 Confederate fleets

Navajo VS Canada

A daring strike against Canadian troops by Navajo natives almost failed. The surprised, yet ready, 1 Canada army easily repelled the one army division sent by the Navajos. Then, a surprise attack from the rear literally destroyed the Canadian division

Losses: 1 Navajo army, 1 Canadian army, and 1 Canadian province





Confederacy has 21g to spend!

Eskimos has 28g to spend!

Navajo has 41g to spend!

Columbia has 09g to spend!

Quebec has 7g to spend!

Canada has 35g to spend!

Vikings has 15 to spend!

Mexico has 23g to spend!

Union has 7g to spend!

Oh, and if you haven’t noticed, I have scrapped the trading.

To: The Vikings
As we have now aquired the province we sought, would you be willing to make peace?

jason how come only 1 new army from 30 went to 12, all 3 should have?
there should be only 1 left in 30 (the one that came from 65)
and there should be 4 in 12

To Navajo Chief
From Canada

We demand that you withdraw your troops from my territory. Should you comply, I am glad to issue a peace treaty and 6 gold in however many payments you wish.

I don't know what your talking about, Roddy (lol, i fixed it)

-Jason

To Canada
From Navajo

my over eager warriors in the northern territories seem to have taken their initiations into adulthood a bit too far. if i undo their victories they will take it as an insult to thier status as adults. whether i go to peace with you or not will depend on the attitudes of the other nations. i will wait for the reactions of the world to the battles of this year, before i decide whether to give you peace or not.

Navajo

Navajo,

Shall we at least sign a cease fire for this year? (turn)

-Canada

From:Mexico
To:Vikings

Don't hear on Quebecs whining!He knows he's doomed.Newfoundland rightfully belongs to you and he should als lose some additional provinces.

To:Navajo

Although Canada is fighting with us against Quebec we won't interfere in your conflict with them.

ooc: Nice one nemesis!! /ooc

To: Qeubec
From: Vikings
Peace if you give 23 to me, 1 province to canada and one to mexico. And give each of us 5 gold a turn for 3 turns.

ooc: do I have 5 fleets in h or is that a fleet of another nation? /ooc

to:all of the world exept confederacy
from:union
did you see the cowardly attack on me done by the confederacy? please help me in the war.

From: Vikings
To: Union
HAHAHA!!!! Now feel our wrath!!!

dang, i read through almost the whole thread trying to find if there is a gold banking limit.
i had thought there was one of 10 gold, but now cant find the rule anywhere.
jason, is there a limit to how much gold we can bank in a turn?

EDIT:
found it in post 46: :D

Oh and BTW,
JNES Veterans: This time, since UK's trading system in this game is much easier then that of in JNES, and due to less nations, and a banking limit, the updates should be correct! lol.

i think i got this right,
but if i screwed up somewhere please tell me.

"Well done my men." General Lee spoke as he climbed the platform.

The men gasped, then cheered. Everyone had expected the President to be back in Richmond, not leading his troops!

"Yes," Lee smiled. "Yes, I led you to victory here, but it was your bravery and courage that has allowed us to win this great victory over the Union!"

The men had heard how the disgraced Jefferson had led the troops into 40, hoping to reclaim some of his honour lost when Lee overthrew him due to his views on slavery.

Jefferson had gone mad since the Confederacy had been born, insisting that the slaves must continue to be slaves, and how the Union must be destroyed immediately. But Lee had not been so foolish as to attack yet. And now, Jefferson, who had apparently had a man shot dead for disagreeing with him over leaving the Union, was just about to be shot dead by his own men in Province 40.

Lee had taken control from the fool, knowing that only a General could re-unite the United States. Now, he would finally be able to reunite his homeland, without the shame of slavery hanging over it.

He smiled at his hard won victory. Province 27 had been hard to take, the Confederates taking on a Union army one and a half times their size, as it was bolstered by the local militia. Now all lay dead or were captured. He hated seeing his countrymen dead, but he knew this had been a great triumph.

This battle would forever be known as the Battle of Bull Run.

TO THE UNION
FROM THE CONFEDERACY

We will re-unite the nation, under our flag one day, but for now we offer peace. You are in no fit state to fight us, so we will offer you a peace treaty in return for Province 43.

NEVER!!!!!!

From:Mexico
To:World

I agree with the peace terms proposed by my Viking friends.If Quebec agrees,I'd be willing not to take the money,but just province 24.

[OOC Are 15 and 16 Union or Navajo? OOC]

15 and 16 are Union ofcourse. they just gotten seperated from the capitol.

WHOH! Good one Uknem.... :eek: I'm almost scared to play against you now in the UNES4 ;)

jason, is ferrying troops with multiple boats allowed?
if i had a boat in K in addition to the ones i have, could i ferry those 2 armies on the boat in Z all the way to attack territory 8?
if so then could i build a NEW boat into K and use it as part of the ferry?

also is 12 connected to 8?
gonna send orders as soon as i get the answers.
thanks

You're kidding of course. Give up 3 provinces? Hell NO. I don't care if I end up having to dance on your grave before you recognize my LEGITIMATE CLAIM to 24. That is a bogus treaty if I EVER heard one.

jason, i just came up with another question, though its a bit similar to one i asked before:
how does canada have 35 gold???
his income this turn should have been 22 (4*3+2*5) less the upkeep for 2 armies, so he would have needed to have 'banked' 15 gold.

What is the banking limit?

Troquelet: I'm just getting warmed up, just wait till you see me in action in that :p

Nemesis

Canada has some of his own trickes up his sleeves.

jason, i have 2 versions of orders done. i'll send you one of em as soon as i know about boat 'relays'. please answer whether its legal or not.

EDIT: dang, jason. you just went ofline. and i have to go to sleep, i gotta go to work tomorow.
i dont know why you didnt answer my question. (hope that aint the 'trick' up canada's sleeve ;) )
i am gonna send you both versions of the orders, and you will have to use the one that's legal.
i'm too tired to stay up much later, so i wont see the update till tomorow morning, oh well.

alright, sent them, hope you get em. good night

LOL, Sorry Roddy! I was writing my first reply to your first question and was going to answer the boat one, but forgot. The answer is no, it is not legal. You can transfer the units, but it does take the armies turn (for having to switch places). So I don;t know why someone would want to use it. :)

-Jason

Jason have you got my newest orders? I'm just making sure as they are pretty important this turn.

Thanks

so there was no update last night? jason how many orders you still missing?

Nonono I did the update last night! what happened? Well, I'm going to do it again. Just one minute.

Battles

Confederates VS Union

Continuing the war, the Confederates, with the red flag over their heads, marched into 26. A cooperative battle, two armies from 40 and one from 26 went head to head with the one Union guard. The damage done was catastrophic.

Losses: 1 Union army, 1 Union Province

Eskimos VS Vikings

Eskimo armies walked in a proclaimed the territory under the control of the Eskimo government. The 2 armies set up a new government in the province.

Losses: 1 Viking Province

Navajo VS Canada

A mighty attempt at bombarding, two Navajo fleets initiated against Canada. While the first shower of iron balls from the first fleet missed, the second fleet managed to collapse the town hall in the province. The attack on province 8 from sea X was proven thus successful.

Losses: 1 Canadian town

Navajo VS Canada

A desperate attempt to keep the Canadians at bay, the Navajo came to a whole Regiment of 7 Canadian marine divisions in 11. The 7 Canadian armies in 11 were miraculously well-trained, and while losing 1 army themselves, were able to repel the Navajo joint attack, one from 14 and 4 from 12.

Losses: 1 Canadian army, and 5 Navajo armies.

Union VS Confederate

A naval bombardment, made possible only by Naval superiority, the Union bombarded the capital of Confederates with two fleets. While the City in 38 seemed to make the iron domes bounce of it, Confederate armies weren’t so armored.

Losses: 1 Confederate army.

Confederacy has 20g to spend!

Eskimos has 29g to spend!

Navajo has 37g to spend!

Columbia has 17g to spend!

Quebec has 7g to spend!

Canada has 11g to spend!

Vikings has 12g to spend!

Mexico has 22g to spend!

Union has11g to spend!

Oh, and if you haven’t noticed, I have scrapped the trading.

You guys must check to see if your order are right before sending them, I got a lot of screwed up orders, and so I did my best with them

-Jason

Any questions, please ask. There will most likely be mistakes because I did this again at night, late at night, im taking 1am. lol.

thanks jason, i was beggining to worry. ;)
oh, i think you forgot to 'narrate' the battle in cuba.

dang, i just knew that attack on 11 was too early. :(

To Eskimos
From Navajo

The Navajo and The Eskimo People have alot incommon:
both of our peoples have been on this continent for millenia and have been 'displaced' by these 'colonizers' who think that what they see is theirs.
we both border Canada, ;)
and we can gain quite a bit of land by cooperating.

The Navajo offer the Eskimos an MPP. if you want a lighter treaty, then DPP or even a NAP would be fine by me.

I understand that your building of the fleet in X was a defencive move to protect your capitol. i appologize for not asking you if you minded me having a fleet in that sea. I assure you, My fleets are there ONLY for the attack on Canada.

Thank you for your time and i hope you will agree to be friends,

The Navajo

jason, i am thinking of doing some espionage against Canada. what would my chances of it succeding be?
we is currently at war, so i assume the chances are prety bad, but none the less, i am curious. i think it would be worth it to know which territory i can take without much resistance :D

so please elaborate on the chances a spying mission has to succeed.
thanks

EDIT: just thought something up:
what happens if two nations do successfull espionage against eachother, who gets to see who's orders before doing thier own???

To:Navajo
From:Mexico

I suggest you don't sign more than a NAP with the Eskimos as they attacked my DPP partner and if they don't give back 55 to Vikings there will probably be war between us two.

To:Confederacy

I congratulate you in winning 26 and condolence these who died in the bombing of Richmond.

To:Colombia

Friend,I hope your 3 armies are heading to invade Unionist Cuba.

To:Eskimo

Give back 55 immediately or face war with Mexico!

Form Navajo
To Mexico
oi!

the never ending triangle. keep forgetting about that whole 'tied to vikings' thing.

To Eskimos

would you mind if i retract that offer, i didnt realize it would get me into a possible war with mexico.

just sent orders.

off topic: hey jason did you know that you can change the name of the thread???
all you got to do is edit the first post and change the subject of it. i just did that with my UKNESIV thread, cause i kept getting it confused with the main thread.
you can fix the "ew JNES" thing if you want

YES!!!!!!!!! THERE IS A GOD!!! lol. Thanks for the info, Roddy!

-Jason

Anyways, update wont be til i get one more orders in (my new limits is 5 orders, then I do update :))

-Jason

Roddy: Didn't work, the title is not different :(

thats strange :(
maybe mine worked cause there was no replies or cause it was so new... i dont know.

alright, i know everyone (almost) in this game is busy with the UKNES4, but YOU HAVE AN OBLIGATION to this game :spank:. i dont want another game i'm in to die off for no reason :suicide: , so EVERYONE SEND YOUR ORDERS.
it cant posibly be that hard, or take that long. :goodjob:
jason how many you have?
:idea:
how about this, everyone who dont send their orders, I move for them, and sell a bunch of thier territories to myself? :lol: :D

lol, cant let that happen, Roddy. I just got 2 more orders, making it 5, so I will update tonight. Sometimes it jsut takes an extra day, Roddy. I will keep updating everytime I get 5 orders in.

Update in 9 hours, or 10:00 pm for my time :)

-Jason

The long awaited update! Very interesting battles took place.



Battles

Union VS Confederate

A quick and simple attack to the Confederates, the Union decided to strike it from behind. 2 Union armies, aided before the amphibious assault by bombardment from the other fleet, were transported from Cuba to strike the life force of the Confederates. The 2 armies succeeded miraculously without any losses, due to the bombardment.

Losses: 2 Confederate armies, Confederate capital

Navajo VS Canada

Nine armies today defended against a massive 16 Navajo armies. While it looked like they had no chance, but boy did they put up a fight! (sorry Roddy, the dice were really against you!). Only four armies were able to push back the determined Canadian soldiers.

Losses: 9 Canadian armies, 12 Navajo armies, 1 Canadian Province.

Navajo VS Canada

Another battle took place north of the biggest battle in the world, in a small beach. Two Navajo armies landed, but were unable to grab any ground before the Canadians pushed them back

Losses: 2 Navajo armies

Eskimos VS Canada

Not much here, a cowardly attack from the Eskimos (nothing personal, Dexter!) ended up with 5 Eskimo armies in the Canadian province of 7.

Losses: 1 Canadian province

Confederate VS Union

A joined attack from both armies in 26 and 40 jointly attacked Washington in 25, aimed at forever disabling the Union machine. There were 6 full divisions in 25 were able to put up a fight, but eventually fell to the overwhelming numbers.

Losses: 5 confederate armies, 6 Union armies, 1 Union capital

Columbia VS Confederacy
Another sneak attack from behind was a success from the hidden Columbia. 3 amries successfully invaded the Florida peninsula and wiped the 1 army there off of the map.

Losses: 1 Confederate army, 1 Confederate province


Confederacy has 20g to spend!

Eskimos has 21g to spend!

Navajo has 40g to spend!

Columbia has 15g to spend!

Quebec has 7g to spend!

Canada has 11g to spend!

Vikings has 12g to spend!

Mexico has 27g to spend!

Union has11g to spend!

Oh, and if you haven’t noticed, I have scrapped the trading.

[JTK,I think that was a bad move for Columbia.Why didn't you attack Cuba?Nobody would have cared.I don't think Revolutionary will like this.]

To:Colombia
From:Mexico

Why did you do this?There was absolutely no provocation.I'm afraid you have to stay alone in this war.I'd have understand an attack on Unionist Cuba,but this attack I strongly condemn.Therefore I'm reducing our MPP to a NAP.

To:Confederates

I assure you I knew nothing about the sneak attack of my former ally Colombia on you.I ended my MPP with him,but at the moment I can't afford to help you.Let's crush the Union quickly first.I hope you reconquer Richmond and Florida quickly.

To:Navajo

I hope you will help the Confederates in fighting back Colombia.The Canadians are obviously brave soldiers,so I suggest you make peace with them.

To:Eskimos

As you didn't give back 55 I declare war on you.

/ooc

(sorry Roddy, the dice were really against you!).

Jason i would kick you if i could right now!
dont SAY things like that. when i read that i thought i had NOT taken the province against 9 armies. almost gave me a heartattack. :lol: still in intensive care recuperating.
as to the heavy losses, ehh whatever, i can allways build more :D
Kennelly who is Rev playing? the columbians? i thought they were open :confused:
/ooc

To Confederacy
From Navajo

Friend i congratulate you on conquering Washington.
I see you have been stabed in the back by the Columbian skumbags and Richmond has fallen to the Unions heavy bombardment. i offer my condolences on your losses and I declare War on the Columbians (though it may take me a couple years to shift my forces to the south).


To Columbia
From Navajo
You DARE to attack the Confederacy?
The Navajo declare war on you!

To Mexico
From Navajo

You declare war on the Eskimos even though you cant reach them. but you sign a NAP with the Columbians when they backstab your ally? are you sure that you listned to your own lecture on what a DPP means? (i wont mention what an MPP means, since you breaking that is to my and the confederacy's benefit).
when the drug lords attacked the confederacy, You had two obligations: to defend the confederacy against attackers, and to help columbia in any war it got into.
Clearly you had to choose which one, as they are mutualy exclusive. you seem to have chosen NEITHER. you condemn the columbians for thier actions but sign an NAP with them. Is it just my unclear perceptoin of the events, or have you only thrown declerations of war at anyone who is far away enough not to be able to hurt you.

the Navajo

/ooc the union should not have 2 armies still in cuba, they went to Richmond

Jason, why are half my units missing?!

I ordered some to 40 definitely, and ordered the one in 54 to 64.

I ordered the two in 63 to move as well, so I could begin finishing off the Confederates to the North.

What the hell happened to my orders?!

Nemesis

PS: I'll get my capital back if it takes every army in my possession, Union!

As for the Columbians, well, you are the lowest life form ever, and I will destroy you whatever the cost.

just noticed that you didnt mention the bombardment of province 8 by my 3 fleets. did it just fail misurably like the invading armies or did the gunpowder get wet???
im fine with it failing as long as it happened. and if you forgot about it then im fine with it just shooting to see if it kills anything, dont redo the 2-0 loss my armies suffered there.

i need to know if 8 is connected to 12

to:columbia
from:union
i am glad that you attacked the confederacy!i offer you a ROP so that you can continiue to attack him.


to:confederacy
from:union
HAHA! you didnt expect that did you?soon you will be destroyed!

Whatever the map may say, I actually have many armies in position to attack you, Lincoln.

If you wish to keep 15 and 16, and have your capital back, I suggest you hand Richmond back to me.

These are generous terms, as it leaves you with provinces and your capital.

General Lee

NEVER!!!!!! I FIGHT TO THE END!(i am wery patriotic)

PS.you only have two armies that can attack me this turn

well i think that the location/existance of Confederate armies is definetily out of whack:
he has 29 gold a turn worth of provinces. only 7 armies on the map, but 20 gold. Jason, fix this quick since i dont think you will get orders from UK or trader warior untill they know exactly what's where.

ps dont forget my questions (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?postid=428532#post428532) :D

I bought 5 armies and a fleet, which left me with no gold(I remember this).

Why didn't my fleet fight the invaders?

Why hasn't my army in 54 moved to 64 like I ordered it to?

I'm glad to see that my army went to 39, and that two(only one of which was new) stayed in Richmond.

But where are the three armies I sent to 40?

And why haven't my armies in 63 moved(I can't remember if I ordered one to 36 and one to 27, or both to 27)?

I am not sending any orders until these questions are answered I'm afraid, since it seems my orders were only partially done.

Nemesis

Finally, I'm glad to see that my attack went well, but you claim that 5 Confederate armies died. Why do four remain then? Which is right, the map or the combat report? Do I have three(if the combat report is right) or four(if the map is right) armies left in Washington?

Nemesis

lol, Sorry Nem and Roddy, this update was REALLY hard with all the huge attacks. Nem, I will research this today, and Roddy no the Union should not have those two armies in Cuba. They WILL be moved.

As for Columbia, he has been lying low, and wanting to get more into the game. I don't think this game will be still running when Rev gets back, so no probelm there. Plus, Columbia is goining to attack Cuba as well, but saw that Florida was almost unguarded and decided to take that now, and take Cuba when the Union had lost. Seems pretty legit to me...

Anyways, I will fix the map hopefully by tonight (man, It is REALLY tor up, lol) and hopefully update will be early tomorrow.

-Jason

wow, was reading through the UKNES4 thread and just remembered that i hadnt done orders for this game today. came back here and remembered that this is an extended turn :)

Jason, any luck with that map? and im still curious about my bombardment of territory 8.

Im sorry everyone, but I cant find the time to mod this anymore, plus to me it was more like work, not fun. :). Anyways, Roddy, that bombardment did fail...

Also, I made this game a little one sided towards Navajo, as the Sioux were supposed to be there, but it was a little crowded. It was cool to see, however, an underdog like Confederates come out victorius.

-Jason

HEY!! the confederates wasnt succsessfull! i was about to destroy him!

hey was, too!
i would offer to take over the modding for this thing, but i think im the last person to trust with it considering im one of the 'superpowers'.

Trader/Warrior: I'm afraid the Confederates did beat the Union. When it ended we had a lot more money, and despite the map not showing it, enough armies nearby to retake Richmond without a thought.

But good game, just never trust someone by leaving the border undefended :p

Roddy, I'd trust you...

Nemesis

well, i gonna assume that no one is gonna pick up the modding on this thing, so its dead. so:

UK you would have had quite a fight on your hands with the Union. i was gonna strat funding his war against you. this turn i was gonna buy territory 16 and if i couldhave convinced mexico not to attack 15, i would have bought that from Union next turn too. he's got the fleet to keep bombing you, and with my cash could build the armies to hurt you quite a bit if not take the southern side of your country.

i was gonna scream and yell at mexico to declare war on Columbia for his attack agains the Confederacy and then:
if mexico goes to war with columbia, backstab him after a couple of turns.
if he refuses to go to war with columbia then i would have to fight him strait on, but since im MUCH bigger i think i would have had no problems there.

my only consern would have been that the Northern countries could combine forces to knock me down a notch, but with the eskimos gaining so much from our combined war on canada, i think i could have gotten the Eskimos to war with the rest of the north and leave me alone up there (after i take 10 and maybe 11 with the armies i still have up there)

Kennelly, would you have gone to war with Columbia?
Dexter, would you have taken the north for yourself, or tried to attack me when you saw that i was taking over the south?

i know that i could only do all this causet the map was definately in my favor, but to tell you the truth if all of you had done the initial 3 to 5 moves right i would not have been this big.

mexico should have taken hawaii. union and confederacy should have both gone west from the start(actualy they should have started more to the west). the canadians should have headed strait down.
i would have been squized from all sides like everyone else, and not been able to grab anywhere near the land that i did.

oh, by the way, jason when you said you were going to introduce pirates to the game, i was sure that it was to curb my expantion to hawaii. what happened to the pirates?

I no longer trust you :p

Anyway, I did have enough armies there to retake my capital within 2 turns at any cost(I could have brought at least 10 armies against Richmond within 2 turns, perhaps even more), and once I retook that the Union would have no way of building troops.

Then I was going to take Cuba, and make the Columbians offer peace by taking their capital if needed.

Then I was coming after you lol, cause I guessed you were up to something when you PMed me all innocent lol.

Nemesis

Well my intention was to control the North eventually. Then setting my sights on the south after I'd built my army up enough. It would have been an excellant war to play but nevermind :D

so:
i was right about the Eskimos, they would take on Vikings and quibeck before turning on me!!! YES!!!

UK, i think you would have had a LOT of problems taking richmond. this turn i would have given 17 gold to Union for territory 16(or 15, the top one with the town).
so this turn he trader/warrior would have built like 8 or 9 amries in richmond.
next turn he could transport those armies(or some of them) to attack Washington, but again have a bunch of gold from me to build defencive forces in Richmond. If mexico took the other Union province in the north i would have probably GIVEN money to the union just to keep you occupied.

his supperior fleet would have been a BIG factor, cause it gives him a VERY big manuvurability advantage.

im curious what Mexico would have done in all this. i consider him the last major power who hasnt said what his intentions would have been.
Kennelly come on tell us your plans.

Jason i gonna hold a grudge against you for a while for terminating this thing at such an interesting point. /jk ;)
i think that the worst problem of this NES was definatly that people didnt send orders, and when they did some were wrong.
i understand why you quit this thing, i wouldnt be able to control 3-5 nations all the time either.

Trader/Warrior, i commend you on you 'stick to it ness'. even with the way UK was choping at you.

my biggest mistake on this NES was that i focused to much on building fleets.