Welcome to my next RPC game, "Will the Real Suryavarman Please Stand Up" or as it is commonly called, "Bring in the Suryavarman Clones?". These RPC's are meant to be entertaining as well as educational. Be forewarned, there shall be NO educational aspect to this one, we are playing on a Fantasy board with crazy resources and Toroidal map against 6 other Suryavarmans with Random personality. A good chance for everyone to laugh at old Mad Scientists attempt to play the game.

Suryavarman II is an odd customer. All the members of CivFanatics Inc have determined he is crazy and have expelled him from the world! He is stuck inside an insane computer generated world, with 6 incomplete clones of himself. Incomplete meaning all random personalities are in play.

His goal is to build a Virtual Space Ship to escape this insane world OR kill the other clones completely.

So the rules
1) We can only win via Space or Conquest.
2) We must play as the Suryavarman in BTS would play as the AI. Meaning agressive Militarily, a bit of a religious Zealot, favors LOT's of Military, and needs to stay in the OR civic all game!

Otherwise we can play as we see fit.

Settings

Monarch/Marathon Speed
Fantasy Map with crazy resources and Toroidal map (what exactly does that mean??)
Choose religions
Random leader personalities
6 Suryavarman of Khmer

Our leader

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/Sury/Surystart0001.jpg

And the start

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/Sury/Surystart0002.jpg

Well, too bad the Oasis on a hill is NOT in the BFC but the forrested silver is.

OK, do we need BW to build improve the silver mine? Can I mine Oasis Hill? Can I farm the Ice? How did I get talked into this insane world?

Tell, can I get some fish on a river tile???

This is going to be insane, insane and AWESOME.

Good luck!

Suryavarman II :p

The toroidal wrap means that if you sail north, you'll end in the south of the map, pretty much like if you sail west you will get to the east part of the map. It is like the surface of a Donut ;)

You have all "extras" in the BFC. Snow,tundra,desert and peaks. Dont chop the forested snow, you can build a nice lumbermil later:lol:

I am a little dumbfounded at the toroidal map, but I would send the scout to that Oasis hill to see what is to the south and then decide on city placement depending on what you see.
This looks to be a rather quirky but fun RPC. GO MAD!

Looks like a really intresting map. Lets hope for riverside Food Plain gem :D

He he this looks like fun, i hate fantasy map though, really hard to get the normal 20 tile BFC usable, watch out for a Monty Sury or even worse, a Backstabber Cathy Sury, you won't see it coming. Who knows maybe you will get 6 Gandhi sury's. Looks like a flood plain to the south. Wish you the best, you probably wont hear me, i will be to busy laughing.

Toroidal means that the the top and bottom are identified as are the sides, in normal fashion. That is, if you have a square from [-1,1] x [-1,1], you identify the points {(-1,y),(1,y)}, {(x,-1),(x,1)}. If you think about it, you could curl the square up into a cylinder, then curl the ends of the cylinder together into a donut, aka toroid.

What's worse is if you identify (-1,y) to (1,(1-y)) but then identify (x,-1),(x,1). Then you curl the square into a mobius strip, which has one side, then paste the one side to itself into a four dimensional object. See, it is educational!

How are you going to create war's between the AI's??? I mean have you named them Suravayman green or Fred Surry...

Or do you just take the names, and say, "Suravayman, could you attack Suravayman for this tech/gold/favour..

Seems like you'll have no idea of who to stop trading with, close boarders with, or even who YOU ARE:eek:

Oh yeah, your the 'Crazy one':crazyeye:

LOL you really are a Mad Man, arent you MS. This one is going to be a blast, I cant resist. Beat the crap outta the Mansa one (first game I ever finished at Marathon speed, but I couldnt stop! It was like . . . mezmerizing how cool I was thumping them and hoarding gold!)

As for IPEXs question, I think that the only way to fix the "which Sury are you referring too" issue is to go into the WB file and change their names to Sury-1 through Sury-6, or something. I know one thing though, these guys are going to hate each other and likely war constantly, but we wont know who is winning! Will they change the city names I wonder? Or will there be 7 versions of words no one can pronounce anyway.

Well I havn't really been following many RPC's recently, havn't been getting much civ time, but I think I'll have to follow this one... this is going to be crazy :crazyeye:

I have absolutley no idea on the start??? Wouldn't know where to begin with that lot!

Good luck though :)

Well, too bad the Oasis on a hill is NOT in the BFC but the forrested silver is.

OK, do we need BW to build improve the silver mine? Can I mine Oasis Hill? Can I farm the Ice?.

Might be worth it to move 1 SW.
I would say get BW for the silver and settler chop bonus.
Mine Oasis hill? I don't think so though not 100% sure.
Farm ice? No I think you can only build a watermill on it.
Were you being sarcastic about the questions or just asking a question?

LOL went crazy at the title

Random personalities is an interesting tidbit.

Watch this have gandhi type personalities everywhere.

This might be tough though - creative AIs fare better than other AIs, and you're going to be drowning in them.

Suryavarman II :p

The toroidal wrap means that if you sail north, you'll end in the south of the map, pretty much like if you sail west you will get to the east part of the map. It is like the surface of a Donut ;)

Hm, in America, a donut is often shaped like this:

http://wwff.files.wordpress.com/2007/03/donut.jpg

Although that would be a very interesting map.

Well, my 3D rendering units have determined that it doesn't matter if the donut in question is a sphere or not. They both achieve the Torodial aspect.

I've been looking forward to this one for a long time :D
Can't mine Oasis hill, need BW for silver, ice tile can never be improved because it's on the corner of the river. Just settle in place, it's impossible to get the whole BFC usable on fantasy realm. Seek out the Floodplains bananas :p

As for IPEXs question, I think that the only way to fix the "which Sury are you referring too" issue is to go into the WB file and change their names to Sury-1 through Sury-6, or something. I know one thing though, these guys are going to hate each other and likely war constantly, but we wont know who is winning! Will they change the city names I wonder? Or will there be 7 versions of words no one can pronounce anyway.

You're missing the whole point of everyone being Sury. :p

By the way I'm not familiar with fanstasy maps... while its obvious all the tiles are insane, how is the shoreline handled? Are there any oceans or large lakes?

LOL you really are a Mad Man, arent you MS. This one is going to be a blast, I cant resist. Beat the crap outta the Mansa one (first game I ever finished at Marathon speed, but I couldnt stop! It was like . . . mezmerizing how cool I was thumping them and hoarding gold!)

As for IPEXs question, I think that the only way to fix the "which Sury are you referring too" issue is to go into the WB file and change their names to Sury-1 through Sury-6, or something. I know one thing though, these guys are going to hate each other and likely war constantly, but we wont know who is winning! Will they change the city names I wonder? Or will there be 7 versions of words no one can pronounce anyway.

Regarding city names:
It'll use all the Khmer city names in order of how the cities are founded (Meaning, the 7 capitals will be named the same as the first 7 Khmer cities and so on) IIRC.

if you're going to change the name of the LH , better to change the civs names too ( it is far more important for those trade cuts and Dow requests ( they don't say to war with the X leader, but to war vs the Y civ )

I bet Sury of the Zulu runs away with it. :)

I think I found a new favorite RPC. But we'll have to wait to see how it turns out.

This RPC reminds a little of when I first played the Shivering Isles.

Let's hope Mad keeps his sanity.

I have a similar idea. How about we rack a game up full of several Montys, and call it "The Full Monty"?

Awesome, glad to see (part of) my idea get turned into a RPC!

Best of luck! :goodjob: (shame you didn't get a corn, on a grassland floodplains like I did once :eek:)

There was a great Civ III game of just this sort, only with Shaka instead of Sury. Danged if I can find it, though. Because of some quirk I can't remember, they kept culture-flipping each other like mad... ahh, Civ III. :-D

This topic makes my day; you are an evil genius. 7 different Khmer Surys; diplomacy is gonna be awesome. I'll definitely be following this one, assuming I can understand what's going on. :D

Interesting mix of personalities too. :mischief:
Yeah, I looked under the hood; but my lips are sealed until its over. :p

Yay! A nice simple one to shadow :lol:.

It's basically "play like normal except that you're on a weird map and have to stay in OR". I can swing it ;). No slider micro for me!

Sorry Mad, I don't want to spoil things...but to really state the Obvious...But wouldn't the colours of the Players give away the personalities

Sorry Mad, I don't want to spoil things...but to really state the Obvious...But wouldn't the colours of the Players give away the personalities

Not really.. Only civ determine color...

Only 6 Sury's? 17 other Sury's would have been much better, Mad :(

Is this 3.13 or 3.17?

Is this 3.13 or 3.17?

3.17, and I am not using the unofficial path to it.

This has the feel of the movie TRON. You should get some light cycles ASAP.

looking forward to this one. Still haven't tried fantasy myself.

Also, will they be differentiated in someway for purposes of diplomacy, culture borders, etc.?

Let's say they pick some "worst enemies". How the hell are you supposed to figure out which Khmer they mean when they say "We demand you stop trading with the Khmer!"...it boggles my mind.

IMO the better map for this would be Team Battleground. Each Khmer in its own little area..

Hm, in America, a donut is often shaped like this:

Although that would be a very interesting map.

Well, my 3D rendering units have determined that it doesn't matter if the donut in question is a sphere or not. They both achieve the Torodial aspect.

The toroidal map IS a donut, just like your picture. It isn't a sphere- imagine you start at a certain point on a sphere. The North Pole is directly above you. Now move east half way across the world. The North pole is still directly above you. On toroidal, you're on the complete other side of the donut. You'd have to go back to your starting point and then go north to hit the pole. (Not that donuts have poles, but whatever. Or do they?)



Disappointed in the lack of ice bananas in the BFC. I hope there are some nearby!

Well, the normal civ map is actually cylindrical, rather than spherical, because E-W distances do not shorten as you go north or south from the equator, and you can never actually get to the poles. And it's impossible to have a real donut in 3-dimensional-space that demonstrates the area-equal property of the "toroidal" civ map (donuts don't have poles, RLesink, btw). The best way to think of the toroidal map is simply that the world will wrap N-S as well as E-W.

Mad, Fantasy is a great choice for a toroidal map because the climatic justification for the normal map's distribution of jungles, deserts, temperate areas, and cold areas goes out the window with a torus (and indeed, it's pretty unlikely that gravity would create a toroidal planet).

All I can say from the posts is "OMG, what have I done to myself" :suicide:

We have faith in you, mein Fu^H^H Madscientist.

It should be interesting game. :lol:

Also, I suggest you turn on CTRL-Y, since normal intuition about what what F/P/C values different terrain types have may fool you.

Good luck, this should be interesting.

Fantasy maps make my eyes bleed.

"Will the Real Suryavarman Please Stand Up?": Part I

Oh boy, I have amajor headache already! OK, OK let's get some organization on this map. First thing is I turn on the oprion that shows food/hammers/commerce. Then we settle in place

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/Sury/SuryA0000.jpg

Not thinking much here, I am trustying the random map generator!

We meet the first AI.

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/Sury/SuryA0001.jpg

Sury, damn I hate this guy. The one AI I really hate as a neighbor, er wait a minute. Never mind.

Our scout was pretty productive getting us 111 gold, a map, and masonry!

I am not going to show the face of every Sury we met.

But I can tell you the techpath: BW/AH/Agriculture/Wheel/Pottery/Writing. Not my usualy path at all, but then again this is NOT a usual game.

SO is there copper anywhere near.

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/Sury/SuryA0002.jpg

YOU bet there is!!!!!

So we mine the copper and silver, and build out a pretty sizeable force of axes.

Because after AH we find

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/Sury/SuryA0003.jpg

We have horses. No I mean Sury has horses. No not us, the other, well dammit, here's what I mean

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/Sury/SuryA0006.jpg

Yeah, now you see what I am saying.

Instant Horse, and we didn't even need to build a settler! At this point the capital (by the way this Khmerian Capital is NOT the usualt capital name. Looks like different names).

OK, here is a view of the new city, the remaining AI Sury and our first Khmerians city we actually settled!

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/Sury/SuryA0008.jpg

Our capital is also building the Great Wall. Hell with the free Masonry tech I figured we could easily get it.

After writing, I am a little puzzled what to tech next so I saved and look for advice.

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/Sury/SuryA0009.jpg

By the way I have NOT opened borders and we are still at war against Sury. Not Sury, but Sury. Got it! well, we have not opened borders because Sury is Sury's worse enemy and until I find out who hates who and who is stronger than us, I figured out a new strategy for this game.

Just build military and kill the closest Khmerian!!!!!

Seriously, I am lost at diplomacy right now, so no open borders.

And as you can see, the diplomacy screen says it all

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/Sury/SuryA0010.jpg

So a few questions here

1) Do we finish off Sury now? We need to build a new axeman force as the first got depleted as the capital was on a hill. It means we have to wait until the Great Wall is finished (Yes, I really think I want that thing on this game).

2) Next tech. Suggestions.... Seams like at least 2 may be religious zealots considering early religions were founded and Sury is Sury's worse enemy.

3) Do we bother with a settler or just try and run the Khmerian table and kill Sury, then Sury, then Sury, then Sury. Comeone, you all really want to see 6 dead Suryavarman on the screen now!!!

Be nice if the different colors on the score sheet were the same in the diplomacy screen.

Be nice if the different colors on the score sheet were the same in the diplomacy screen.

And it would be nice if either of these colors matched up with the territory-boundary colors on the map. Which is actually how I think we ought to refer to the different Surys. So the decision now is whether to kill off Green Sury. It would be nice to see more of the other city's BFC, which now looks pretty bad (except of course for the gold).

:lol: at the diplomacy screen.

Oh, my head....

Iron will give you Swords, Aesthetics gets you a good backfill tech and towards Math/Currency/Construction/CoL....Hmmmm....

Not even 1 Sury is pleased with you. If I would see a Sury get whiped of the face of the earth you would expect some guys to be happy, but noooooooooo not these sury's. Interesting game btw ;) Take out 1 Sury, build up empire, then kick them of the face of the earth.

I wonder if Sury is going to be mad when he finds out he will be eventually killed, yet he still lives.

Yaarrr--Clash of the Clones! Very cool scenario where even the most levelheaded scientist will get mad. :twitch::woohoo::twitch:
Could you post a screenshot of F4->Info to get an idea about some of the personalities by checking their favorite civics? As I understand it, a random choice of leaderheads with all their XML-attributes (=personalities) got Sury's pretty face transplanted on them, so one with a favorite civic Mercantilism is likely to be a Toku-Sury :crazyeye:.

Mad, press Alt-D and change your name to Suryvarman II. I command it.

City names: The captials are different names because you founded Yasodharapura, so it couldn't be used for the next Khmer city name. So Sury got Hariharalaya then Angkor Thom then Angkor Wat or whatever.... etc.

Also, I don't think killing all the Suryavarmen would be entertaining enough. A diplo victory would be cool (King of the Suryavarmen?) but the variant says space or conquest. SPACE!

Most amusing. :lol: I'm looking forward to seeing how this turns out.

For future reference, I'd love to see an 18-Montys game too. :D

Most amusing. :lol: I'm looking forward to seeing how this turns out.

For future reference, I'd love to see an 18-Montys game too. :D

I suppose that one would be with 18 genuine Montys rather than 18 random personalities... :D

I suppose that one would be with 18 genuine Montys rather than 18 random personalities... :D

Or 17 actual Monty's and a Gandi Monty.

IMHO, the best diplomacy is done with a pointy stick. Iron Working would be my suggestion. Just be careful when you're attacking Sury, as he has open borders with Sury, Sury, and Sury. It might be better to go after Sury instead... after you finish off Sury, of course. :crazyeye: Forget space; it's all about the Clone Wars.

Diplomacy I hope to see:

"-1 You refused to help you"
"-1 You stopped trading with you"
"-3 You declared war on yourself!"
"-3 This war ruins your relationship"

:crazyeye:

See if you can get the "your maps have proven that the world is donut-shaped" message. :)

Just kidding actually. For one thing, there's no sea in the fantasy world. For another, the message is not in the game. It's just the old boring "you have circumnavigated the globe" thing, or whatever it is. At the very least it doesn't wrongly say that the world is round.

reading this is making my brain hurt. are the sury's colours related to their personalities? or do we have to work out which one is which as we go along?

I'm guessing the one with -2 "You declared war on our friend" is Gandhi.

I really think it'll be an easy game, I've shadowed it a bit further than this, and it seems to be unfolding the same.

Really, your allready in front on the troops power, and going to swords you'll have taken over 2 or 3 civs by then.

Then its just a matter of the big getting bigger. Lots of ice flood plains, and bronze/horses with 1st conquest is a bonus.

1 difference though, I actually got the random event for a silver mine/road for 20 gold in capital.....:woohoo: did that ever set off research.

Plus the Green Khemer, your attacking will settle a 3rd city to the SE and contain gold in 2nd ring.

@DanF5771: According to F4, all share the OR favorite civic. :lol: Whether this is because there is an exception to the random personality rule to make it harder for you to guess their real identity or whether this is a bug in the Foreign Advisor, I don't know.


@Mad: Personally, I think you should kill off green/white sury just because of his ridiculous color situation. However if you don't, you should definitely write down that he is in position #4 on the foreign advisor. The ordering is the same for all the FA screens except Active deals so you'll have at least some tiny understanding of the diplo situation. Too bad you can't put signs on the advisor screen like you can on the map. :p

Wait Sury of the Kermer x 7.... you are crazy...

I never even though to try the same leader and civ multiple times in one game.

You should have used Unrestricted leaders!

Anyway, so confusing...:lol:

Oh just a note, not that it makes a difference, but my first 4 build were all workers. :wow:

My reasoning being, Snowed floodplains and ice mountain, make for 50% longer build times.

Apostolic Palace votes are going to be hilarious.

"Stop the War against Suryavarman II"

Apostolic Palace votes are going to be hilarious.

"Stop the War against Suryavarman II"

.... and the candidates are: Suryavarman II and Suryavarman II. Which one will you vote for?

Should you edit the save to name the Suries to like A, B, C, ect.. so it's not so confusing on the Diplo screen.

I believe the point of this game is to play without telling who is the real SURY you are talking about. Therefore, I would not recommend using Sury-1 or Sury-A, B, etc. :)

I believe the point of this game is to play without telling who is the real SURY you are talking about. Therefore, I would not recommend using Sury-1 or Sury-A, B, etc. :)

Yes, that is the point! Perhaps I shall regret it, but......

Bah, what is the point of knowing which Suryavarman is which. When they are all dead, it diplomacy won't matter... ;)

I nearly chocked on my breath! Great one! hahahaha!

Yes, that is the point! Perhaps I shall regret it, but......

Ok good point

73 posts and not eaven after 2000bc think this one wins in popularity by far:)

We all love sury ;)

You shouldnt even call yourself Madscientist, you should call yourself Suryavarman II, so AP and UN will be even more confusing.


EDIT: It can no longer be tolerated- we demand you cancel your deals with the vile Khmer!

Does anyone know how the program AI's index the other AIs in the code? I'm assuming it's by some means different than name, or the program would malfunction when all the leaders had the same name, everyone hopelessly diplomatically confused.

You know, that Savaryaman is really scary looking. Why is he that creepy orange color?

"Will the Real Suryavarman Please Stand Up?": Part II


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"Will the Real Suryavarman Please Stand Up?": Part II


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Best update ever!

:)

"Will the Real Suryavarman Please Stand Up?": Part II continued

Wow, I feel completely our of water and lost here! Where oh where to start.

OK

Techpath: Archery/fishing/sailing/IW (because I realized late you cannot build a pasture for horses in a jungle without it!)/HBR (because I teched damned IW for the horses)/Math

So I stayed at war with Sury, retreating for a bit as the new capital was on a hill and we were not prepared to take it. Still, I did not want a second diplomatic penalty from Sury, No not the Sury we are at war with, the other Sury. In fact Sury, Sury and Sury are a little ticked at us for declaring War on Sury. But fear not, looks like we may have a friend in Sury!

So enough of this idiosy, onto concrete matters.

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/Sury/SuryB0000.jpg

Yes I meant concrete, literally. I could have built more axes faster and killed Sury but I really needed something stable and long standing to stabilize my sanity. The Great wall benefits last all game, I'll take it!

So I brought a new stack of units to attack Sury

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/Sury/SuryB0002.jpg

Only to find a well defended hilled capital, so we proceded to march past it and pillaged a bit.

We then found

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/Sury/SuryB0003.jpg

Sury's second city!!!! We razed it, stole a few workers, and

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/Sury/SuryB0005.jpg

Sued for peace! Alot of the Sury's have alphabet which leads me to be concerned about our tech rate. Then I remembered Sury, Sury, Sury, Sury, Sury, and Sury are creative and thus likely built a fast library and bulbed alphabet. OK, no problem.

So we settled city #3 between the cities

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/Sury/SuryB0006.jpg

We then rebuilt our army to take this Barbarian city.

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/Sury/SuryB0007.jpg

Because it's the easiest source of Iron arround!

It was a nice city, too bad the city autorazed. Damn, well we start on a settler.

I should say we actually have been building somewhat intelligently and I think I am playing the game fairly well. Unfortunately I feel as if I am free falling into a bottomless pit that ends at satan's doorstep. I'll tell you, I am heading to the local winseshop tomorrow before I attempt the next segment.

As we wait for the settler, Buddhism has spread to us.

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/Sury/SuryB0009.jpg

We convert, and open borders with Sury Inc. Of course we are getting some diplo penalties as some Sury's are other Sury's worse enemies, but no demands yet.

The tech situation shows
http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/Sury/SuryB0010.jpg

So we can trade HBR for a few religious techs. Bah, we need no religious techs. Sure we need to adopt OR, but if we don't tech Monotheism we cannot adopt it right!

And after settling the city on the exact spot the BArb city was, another Babr city pops up.

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/Sury/SuryB0011.jpg

We are also using a chariot to determine exactly where the assorted Sury's are.

We mercifully ssaved here,

Our lands so far

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/Sury/SuryB0012.jpg

Still a good amount of land to settle.

And a look at the capital

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/Sury/SuryB0013.jpg

Not a bad city. Not sure how much more we can work, but nice 5 size city!

So there we are.

I may attack the Sury we previously attacked to eliminate them, but otherwise I wait until they start ripping into each other. For now I say we tech towards teh standard Currency/CoL, settle a little more, and build up the military a little more.

Your family will be worried about you when they wake up in the middel of the night because you keep screaming. NOT MORE SURYS PLEASE NO MORE SURYS.;)

I'm curious as to how you got the Great General and Great Person bars alongside the research bar. Is that a mod, or an in-game option?

I'm curious as to how you got the Great General and Great Person bars alongside the research bar. Is that a mod, or an in-game option?

It's the BUG mod. It doe snot affect gameplay except to make things a little more organized to see. Helps alot in presenting the RPCs to the audience.

I'm loving the idea for this RPC.

One thing to bear in mind on a fantasy realm map is that distance maintenance on cities is much higher due to the x and y wrapping.

The RB24 Big Brother SG was played on one and this post from T-hawk (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpost.php?p=4630484&postcount=182) explains things much better than I can. The upshot is that you'll want to get CoL earlier than on a normal map as courthouses will save you a lot more cash.

It's the BUG mod. It doe snot affect gameplay except to make things a little more organized to see. Helps alot in presenting the RPCs to the audience.
Thanks for that. I'll have to check this mod out. :)

Does anyone know how the program AI's index the other AIs in the code? I'm assuming it's by some means different than name, or the program would malfunction when all the leaders had the same name, everyone hopelessly diplomatically confused.

Every player (and every team) has a unique ID number. This ID number is how everyone is always initially referenced. For example in this game, MadScientistSury is ID 0, and Green/White Sury is ID 4. Barbarians are always the last ID num, which is 18 in the stock DLL. Also, in order to support the Random Personalities option, two different functions are used to access characteristics depending on if you are trying to reference something about their outward appearance or their internal personality which is why F4 shows everybody as favoring OR; it's basing that off their "claimed" personality rather than their actual.

@Lord Parkin: Link to BUG forum (http://forums.civfanatics.com/forumdisplay.php?f=268)

OK, adopt a religion and trade with sury, see if you can bribe sury into going to war with sury. Sury has a couple techs he might trade if you bulb something yummy. See if sury will trade alphabet to you. perhaps you can bribe sury to stop trading with sury then :backstab: sury. Seems pretty clear cut to me.

I played this game too for a bit, and the sloooow speed was killing me more than the chaos.
There's a rather nice city to be founded 2W of the gems to your south, it has pigs & gems & lake & riverside grassland, pretty decent for a fantasy map.

Use tech from Sury to trade to Sury for that special tech that Sury wants so he can Backstab Sury while he invades Sury.

:)

Change your name to Suryavarman II or else. OR ELSE.

"Will the Real Suryavarman Stand Up?": Part III

We are having a system to work through this insanity. We basically pay little attention to the land, built Military, trade techs, and go from there!!!!

Techpath, as with any game at this time: Currency/Construction/CoL/working on MC

Soon into the round we pop our first GP

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/Sury/SuryC0000.jpg

OK, what to do with him?????? We ended up settling him and directed all the eps to Orange Sury who is to our west (I think) and has the best power rating and doing well in tech.

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/Sury/SuryC0001.jpg

By the way, I am partly colorblind making this game even more difficult. However, I know Orange and I know where the biggest threat is.

We settled another city to claim the tundra Pig, Tundra stone, and normal grassland gems!

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/Sury/SuryC0002.jpg

We preceeeded to build military. Then the fun started

Sury demands.

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/Sury/SuryC0003.jpg

well there are only 2 and one wioll be dead soon, so we tell him to stick it.

The another Jewish Sury (there are only 2) demands this

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/Sury/SuryC0004.jpg

Hah, OK I know where I stand. I tell him to stick it! There I have ticked off the two Jewish Surys. In the meantime, those Buddhist Sury's are good friends. I noticed they all have between 5 and 7 diplo modifiers for religion so they are fairly zealotish. However, only 1 (Orange Sury) seams agressive as he has the highest pwoer numbers and has "We Have Enough On Our Hands!"

After teching Currency we start trading it away to Sury

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/Sury/SuryC0005.jpg

Sury

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/Sury/SuryC0006.jpg

And Sury

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/Sury/SuryC0007.jpg

Which opens up catapults to attack Sury with!

We got that random event about opening opur food supplies for +3 diplo points which we agreed to. Unfortunately it helped the Sury we were planning to attack, Oh well!

We line up our troops and decide to get rid of one of these Sury's

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/Sury/SuryC0009.jpg

Unfortunately the other Jewish Sury declares on us

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/Sury/SuryC0010.jpg

we never saw any of these Sury's troops (At least I don't think I killed any of them, but I could be wrong).

So very quickly we toppled Wimp Sury's three lone cities

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/Sury/SuryC0011.jpg

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/Sury/SuryC0012.jpg

But before we captured the last one, Orange Sury attacks the other Jewish Sury which eventually brings Jewish Sury #2 to the negotiation table.

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/Sury/SuryC0013.jpg

As we approach the last Wimp Sury city (who tried to appease us by converting to Buddhism).

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/Sury/SuryC0014.jpg

And

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/Sury/SuryC0015.jpg

One less Suryavarman II Clone in the world.

We saved here. Some views of our lands

Espionage

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/Sury/SuryC0017.jpg

Time to start Spying on Orange Sury.

And time to take a break from warring to rebuilt a little.

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/Sury/SuryC0018.jpg

Tech

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/Sury/SuryC0019.jpg

Noone has MC yet, so perhaps machinery for a crossbow/maceman rush of another Sury.

And a view of our lands.

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/Sury/SuryC0020.jpg

Now I did try and scout out some lands. Just confused me and when I went due north and kept coming up from the south I decided to stop doing it, just too much for my head.

So the plan.... Don't know! Some infrascturcture as the economy is ready to collapse. The some crossbows and maces and attack the nearest Sury that's does not look to have them! Only orange Sury seams to have to stamina to put up a fight!!! Also Monotheism shoudl be stolen soon, so we switch to OR and get ALOT of diplo points!!!!

Ah, where have the peaceful and simple days of Monty, Shaka, and Ghengis gone???

Change your name to Suryavarman II or else. OR ELSE.

OK, how does one do this?? I cannot seam to figure it out.

OK, how does one do this?? I cannot seam to figure it out.

Go to the ingame menu, click on 'Your Details' and change the leader name from Madscientist to Suryavarman II.

Although it's insane enough as it is right now. :crazyeye:

I bet jewish Sury is either Isabella or Sal. Orange Sury looks like Hammurabi, agressive, but practical, good techer and not psycho.

By the way, I am partly colorblind making this game even more difficult.
Me too, but the only problem was with the whitish or light blue or whatever two and you killed one.

Nice game, a bit crazy... I suggest you give us a bit of detail about everything, maybe a state of the world post like in the ALCs, because I at least don't have the slightest of which sury is like what and religion and land and all... And please tell us the color combinations, you were fighting white sury, yet his land most clearly wasn't white.

I say that Sury will be a BAD threat later ingame. Sury will probably go for cultural or space, because he is such a peacemonger while i think sury will aggressively attack. Keep an eye on Sury and Sury, because you never know when Sury will backstab Sury. If he does, attack Sury so you can stay on Sury's good side, otherwise you would end up against Sury and Sury, which would be an absolute disaster, and Sury would probably kill you after Sury kills Sury.

So watch out.

Also Monotheism shoudl be stolen soon, so we switch to OR and get ALOT of diplo points!!!!
OR will not necessarily earn much diplo. Remember the Foreign Advisor is as confused as the rest of us. Odds are most of the Surys have favorite civics other than OR.


@Rubbaduck: The Sury which has now been destroyed was the only one with a freakish color combination. His territory was green but his scoreboard name was white. The colors of the others all match.

OR will not necessarily earn much diplo. Remember the Foreign Advisor is as confused as the rest of us. Odds are most of the Surys have favorite civics other than OR.


@Rubbaduck: The Sury which has now been destroyed was the only one with a freakish color combination. His territory was green but his scoreboard name was white. The colors of the others all match.

The info screne on the diplomacy advisor shows all Sury's favorite civic is OR. The random personalities seam to affect the way they play but not the core Sury/khmer settings.

Why does that Orange Sury have about twice as much power as anyone else?

And wouldn't orange sury have the personality of another civ who is normally orange? Isn't Hannibal orange-y so perhaps that sury is his personality?

I say that Sury will be a BAD threat later ingame. Sury will probably go for cultural or space, because he is such a peacemonger while i think sury will aggressively attack. Keep an eye on Sury and Sury, because you never know when Sury will backstab Sury. If he does, attack Sury so you can stay on Sury's good side, otherwise you would end up against Sury and Sury, which would be an absolute disaster, and Sury would probably kill you after Sury kills Sury.

So watch out.

rotflol
I could read it again and still laugh.

Thanks Matt.

Seriously though, I think Conquest seems most viable, as Mad has all 3 EMR (early military resources). Attack Jewish Sury, then Wimpy sury, and go on from there.

The info screne on the diplomacy advisor shows all Sury's favorite civic is OR. The random personalities seam to affect the way they play but not the core Sury/khmer settings.
What I'm trying to tell you is that the Foreign Advisor is bugged. If you want the technical details, it uses the LeaderHeadType of the player to get the displayed favorite civic when it should be using the PersonalityType. It doesn't matter normally, but under Random Personalities, these are generally different.

I even tested it on your save. I'll spare you any potential spoiler details, but the end result is: don't trust the Foreign Advisor's Info tab.


@DMOC: The colors are random too; they don't give you any clue as to the personality.

Oh, okay. Thanks for the clarification.

"Will the Real Suryavarman Stand Up?": Part III

Well, I promised you all I would do this. I played the next segment after having having a bottle Pinoir Noir Wine. Played poorly for sure, but the game was not so confusing this time

Now I do have some coffee so I hope the segment reads well. Bear with me.

The segment amounted to having a dogpile against Sury by Sury, Sury, Sury, Sury and myself! We completely trashed our economy, built a sonder we did NOT expect and got a GP at the end that I have NO idea what to do with!!!

Oh yeah, our economy is only solvent but having our most productive city building wealth!

But I am rambling, let's talk about the ROC tale, this cursed game that was suggested by "I don't remember". How could I be so crazy as to play this map. Oh yeah the screenshots.

To begin with we went to Orange Sury, as our units ar enearing a strike, and begged/groveled/pleaded for a free tech. We got this.

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/Sury/SuryC0021.jpg

Oh greta Orane Sury, your geneosity will not be forgotten. What can I do for you, who shall I kill. Wait, OK I'm doing OK, to the game.

The evil Sury, the one who declared war on us just because we were trying to purify the world of the Cursed Sury makes a demand of us.

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/Sury/SuryC0022.jpg

HOW DARE HE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

But do not worry, our good and trusted friend Sury stops by with a request. Attack the evil Sury, You Bet, we declare war although I still am not sure where this guy is.

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/Sury/SuryC0023.jpg

Meanwhile our economy completely trashed, with -17 gold which sends the troops on strike. In a moment of great insight, I start building wealth in the production powerhouse. Wit I already told you this. OK where were we.. Ah, the war.

We did real good, killing a Khmerian archer that strayed into our lands. Killed him dead! Our horse archer outflanked him, encircled the last Khmerians, overran them, and smote thier ashes into the ground!! Twas glorious!!!!! So glorious a great general arose from teh ranks.

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/Sury/SuryC0024.jpg

We settled him somewhere, I don;t know which city, but he was settled!!! In fact, I just don't know if I ever build a unit in that city. Maybe it was the production powerhouse building wealth, but there I go again, off on a tangent.

Sury, right!

While I am playing like a moron, workers are lost, military sitting arround collecting a handsome salary our spy network is well at work. Our spies stole Monarchy and

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/Sury/SuryC0025.jpg

Which leads me to the techpath, yeah we actually did some work: Finished metal casting/Literature/Machinery

We set about building the Great Library in the capital, and the heroic epic comewhere.

In the meantime.

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/Sury/SuryC0026.jpg

Yes, Sury is dogpiled by Sury. Scoundral, er I mean way to go, no wait. Damned, what was the question???

OK, seriously we decided to finally talk to Sury about peace.

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/Sury/SuryC0027.jpg

Hey, every spec of gold matters this game.

But 10 turns later, Sury makes a request. How can I refuse Sury, my best friend and ally!!! We immediately declare war on Sury.

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/Sury/SuryC0028.jpg

This was just too much for Sury, who capitulated and vassaled hinself to Sury.

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/Sury/SuryC0029.jpg

So Sury vassals, everyone trades techs, and we are behind the eightball!!! At this point something incredible happened.

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/Sury/SuryC0030.jpg

WOW!! We actually built the damned thing. Well, we did capture marble from Sury so I guess I should not be surprized. We went ahead a built the NE in the same city (the capital) as the Great Library. No, I have not lost all my marbles, I still know what to do with marble.

The low and behold.

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/Sury/SuryC0031.jpg

A Great Scientist who is willing to use his wosdom and superior intellect to help steer to poor mislead and mismanaged Khmerians!!!

So we started teching CS and saved.

A few views of our empire

Techs

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/Sury/SuryC0032.jpg

Note Orange Sury gave all of his techs to dogplied Sury.

Fear not, my incompetance at leadership shall not go unrewarded. The Great Scientist shall bail us out. Out of what, I don't knwo but he shall bail us out!!!

Diplomacy

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/Sury/SuryC0033.jpg

Hey, Sury loves a fool!

In case you were wondering at our civics.

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/Sury/SuryC0034.jpg

And for the hell of it, the financial advisor, in case anyone can see something smart for me to do.

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/Sury/SuryC0035.jpg

There you have it!

OK, what do we do with the Great Scientist. And where do we go from here, besides the nearest wine store!

Congrats Mad, now you can post in this thread (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=287263) :p

On game... How about caste and sci and merchants everywhere ?

In this situation you'd probably be best off bulbing him for a tech to trade around. I can't exactly remember which techs he can bulb... Divine Right would be ideal at this point but I know he can't get that.

Would Paper be enough to trade around? If not, you might want to hang on to him, learn paper, mostly bulb education and learn it. Then forget about liberalism and trade it around for backfilling and cash. Not sure how realistic this is though...

By the way, you still haven't changed your display name in the game to
"Suryavarmann II."

A very amusing write-up. :lol:

Hope you didn't lose too many units. By the way, I think that should have been Part IV, not Part III. ;)

I think I'll have to get some Cabernet before I try to re-read that.

If the Scientist will bulb Philo, then trade it quickly. Sury already knows it and might trade it himself - though the two techs he seems to lack (drama/engineering) are also not on the market due to monopoly. (Though, if he is friendly with one, does that open up trading of monopoly techs?).

I think YOU need to get a Sury Vassal too. They're all the rage these days.

This is suryal...

By the way, you still haven't changed your display name in the game to
"Suryavarmann II."

Mad Scientist: Do not change your name! It would be wrong! You are not Sury! Even you are someone else!
:crazyeye::rudolf::crazyeye:

"Will the Real Suryavarman Please Stand Up": Part V

OK, absolutely nothing exciting this round, unless picture of techs and sury's face are your thing. I looked at what I got myself into yesterday and while we need to fix it, it's not as bad as I feared.

We began by using the GS to bulb

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/Sury/SuryD0000.jpg

Which we used to bulb some desperately needed Middle Age techs, before we get attacked. The mutual Buddhist lovefest only goes so far...

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/Sury/SuryD0001.jpg

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/Sury/SuryD0002.jpg

Maces and Longbows, good that helps.

I then adjusted civics

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/Sury/SuryD0003.jpg

I am not a pacifism type of guy, but here it has it's merits, as in catchup in tech via GSs.

Techpath went: Paper/Education/Liberalism/Printing Press, Ed and PP were mostly bulbed

We traded Paper for
http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/Sury/SuryD0004.jpg

The gold helps too. By the end of the segment our slider is back up to 50-60%.

We stole a few techs from Oranges Sury, here is one

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/Sury/SuryD0005.jpg

And we make a particularly good trade with Sury.

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/Sury/SuryD0006.jpg

Castles and Trebs.

Followed by a deal with Sury

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/Sury/SuryD0007.jpg

OK!!!

We then stole Optics and this popped up

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/Sury/SuryD0009.jpg

I voted for Sury, who of course won hands down! Still ONE Sury is NOT a member thus no AP diplo victory right now.


And then we get a little more info on one of the Sury's

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/Sury/SuryD0011.jpg

Hmmmm, One's favorite civic is Theocracy! OK, we stick with Buddhism.

Unfortunately we missed the liberalism race by 5 turns!!!! Orange Sury beat us to it, and he's teching pretty darned fast.

So after PP we saved. Tech situation

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/Sury/SuryD0012.jpg

We started Guilds.

OK, after Guilds (knights) I say Gunpowder which leads me to this

What techpath next????

Chemistry/Grenaders

or

Banking/RP/rifling????

Our cities are NOT equipped for the production needed for space part manufacturing. I say we start loading up on Military and make an all out suicidal attack on Orange Sury!!! Probably foolish, but I will go absolutely nuts if I have to play this insane game out through a space race game at marathon speed!!!!

By The Way: I shall NEVER fall into the Suryavarman name thing. I am an individual, I am Mad Scientist, not some freakish Sury clone. I am me, you gotta believe me!!!!!!

Ha ha okay I guess you can keep your name.

Tech screen basically shows you guys at parity...I'm not sure which Sury is Orange sury on the tech screen tree (the first one?).

Lastly, I suggest going rifling.

I loled at the AP election pic.

Which ever Sury gives + Diplo for Civics is Saladin Sury. (Nobody else prefers Theocracy, right?)

No worries there? No Protective Longbows/Muskets/Rifles at least.

Which ever Sury gives + Diplo for Civics is Saladin Sury. (Nobody else prefers Theocracy, right?)

No worries there? No Protective Longbows/Muskets/Rifles at least.

:huh:
Saladin, Zara Yaqob, Isabella, and Justinian all have Theocracy as favorite civic.

But do not worry, our good and trusted friend Sury stops by with a request. Attack the evil Sury, You Bet, we declare war although I still am not sure where this guy is.
:lol: I had a great laugh over that quote...this is so funny.

Oh, I haven't shadowed anyfurther, I seemed to be running away with an easy domination win, it was too confusing, and its funnier to read.

Oh that, and I'm doing a write up on the nobles club XI Catherine game...

You can see who likes theocracy by checking who got the diplo demerits.

OK, absolutely nothing exciting this round, unless picture of techs and sury's face are your thing.

Alllllllright!

:huh:
Saladin, Zara Yaqob, Isabella, and Justinian all have Theocracy as favorite civic.



Eh. Forgot about Zara, and didn't know Justinian (Don't have BTS, or Warlords for that matter), and I thought that the HoF said that Izzy was Police State in the foreign advisor for Vanilla.

Hence, only Sal came to mind for Theocracy... :/

You can see who likes theocracy by checking who got the diplo demerits.
Yep. Purple Sury has the +1 "You accepted our favorite civic" so he must be the Theocracy lover who made the demand. In fact, by comparing diplo modifiers between each of the various Surys on the glance screen, you can actually determine the true favorite civics of 4 of the remaining 5 Sury impostors.

Ok. Can't download the save for reasons mentioned above, so can you fill me in please?

Random info like this makes the game easier for me to read.

Ok. Can't download the save for reasons mentioned above, so can you fill me in please?

Sure. Here's the breakdown of favorite civics based solely on foreign advisor info from the most recent save. Note, the reason I'm actually bothering to go through this is because I'm writing an update to the BUG foreign advisor that does this for you and this game provides a great test case. ;) It's all in a spoiler in case people don't want to know about it.

First, by comparing the scoreboard diplo summaries to the Foreign Advisor's diplo summaries, their order on the relations/glance/trade screens is:
Orange, Purple, Lt Blue, Grey, Turquoise (Turquoise Sury is the Evil Jewish Sury who everyone hates).

Example: Orange Sury runs HR, Vassalage, Slavery, Decentralization, and OR. He has the favorite civic +diplo modifer with Purple Sury so his favorite must be something they both run; this rules out OR. Orange Sury does not have the +diplo modifier for favorite civics with Mad, so we can rule out HR and Decentralization too (nobody has the opening civcs as favorites anyhow, but the logic still holds). Finally, since Orange Sury does not have a +diplo with any of the other Slavery-running Surys, we can rule out Slavery and so it's got to be Vassalage.

You can go through similar comparisons with everybody else and you get the following results:
1. Orange Sury -- Vassalage
2. Purple Sury -- Theocracy
3. Lt. Blue Sury -- (Unknown but definitely not any of his current ones)
4. Grey Sury -- Org. Religion
5. Turq Sury -- Theocracy

I'll let somebody else turn those into potential personalities :p

OK, there's no doubt about it now, Sury's gonna win!

Thanks. Did the legwork for ya, BTW. Info center helps.

So, likely personalities:

1. Orange Sury -- Vassalage - Mehmed or Charlamagne
2. Purple Sury -- Theocracy - Justinian/Izzy/Zara/Sal
3. Lt. Blue Sury -- (Unknown but definitely not any of his current ones) - My money is on an American
4. Grey Sury -- Org. Religion - Sury/Brennus
5. Turq Sury -- Theocracy - See Above

Those make the personality charting much easier.
Orange is a bit of a wild card, a zealot or a builderish semi-warmongerer.
Purple is a zealot or zara(wonderhogging semi-zealot..?), so is turqoise.
Grey is a warmongerer.
Light blue might also be Monty with pState :D
It's pretty dangerous game, if the religious blocks crumble.

Those make the personality charting much easier.
Orange is a bit of a wild card, a zealot or a builderish semi-warmongerer.
Purple is a zealot or zara(wonderhogging semi-zealot..?), so is turqoise.
Grey is a warmongerer.
Light blue might also be Monty with pState :D
It's pretty dangerous game, if the religious blocks crumble.

I'm pretty sure Orange Sury is Cyrus. He does not care much for religion (only -1 with the heathen Jewish Sury) which basically rules out the other Vassalage-lovers - both Mehmed and Charle care more for religion. Also, he's not Alex because he's not bribable and in that case he'd probably dowed on someone already.

I'll cast my lot with Izzy for the heathen Sury. He (or she) is annoyed with Orange Sury, and Izzy is both farther away in peaceweight from Cyrus/Orange Sury and harder to get along with. In that case, since she still gets along with the other Theocracy favorite my guess goes to Zara for Purple Sury

Eh? Vassalage for Alex and Cyrus too?

Must've missed that.

First, by comparing the scoreboard diplo summaries to the Foreign Advisor's diplo summaries, their order on the relations/glance/trade screens is:
Orange, Purple, Lt Blue, Grey, Turquoise (Turquoise Sury is the Evil Jewish Sury who everyone hates).

Example: Orange Sury runs HR, Vassalage, Slavery, Decentralization, and OR. He has the favorite civic +diplo modifer with Purple Sury so his favorite must be something they both run; this rules out OR. Orange Sury does not have the +diplo modifier for favorite civics with Mad, so we can rule out HR and Decentralization too (nobody has the opening civcs as favorites anyhow, but the logic still holds). Finally, since Orange Sury does not have a +diplo with any of the other Slavery-running Surys, we can rule out Slavery and so it's got to be Vassalage.

You can go through similar comparisons with everybody else and you get the following results:
1. Orange Sury -- Vassalage
2. Purple Sury -- Theocracy
3. Lt. Blue Sury -- (Unknown but definitely not any of his current ones)
4. Grey Sury -- Org. Religion
5. Turq Sury -- Theocracy

I'll let somebody else turn those into potential personalities :p

Orange then is either Charlemagne, Alexander, Cyrus/Mehmed?

Purple and Turquoise are from among Saladin, Zara, Isabella, and Justinian

Grey is Hatty, Ramesses, Sury (lol) and some others that I have forgotten.

Lt. Blue then might be Gandhi (US), Shaka/Monty/Genghis (Police State), Mao or Stalin (State Property), Roosevelt or Toku (Mercantilism), Lincoln (Emancipation?), Any of the FR guys (Darius/Willem/Asoka?), Washington/Mansa (Free Market)

this is hilarious... Absolutely hilarious.

Mad Scientist is:
Suleiman

@Dan: :lol: I see someone else was doing a little detective work.

For those utterly confused by that comment, the game actually rolls a random personality for the human players too even though it's meaningless. And Mad's was set to Suleiman

Thanks. Did the legwork for ya, BTW. Info center helps.

So, likely personalities:

1. Orange Sury -- Vassalage - Mehmed or Charlamagne
2. Purple Sury -- Theocracy - Justinian/Izzy/Zara/Sal
3. Lt. Blue Sury -- (Unknown but definitely not any of his current ones) - My money is on an American
4. Grey Sury -- Org. Religion - Sury/Brennus
5. Turq Sury -- Theocracy - See Above



3. Universal suffrage. Boudica or Ghandi, or Fred

And then we get a little more info on one of the Sury's


Hmmmm, One's favorite civic is Theocracy! OK, we stick with Buddhism.


http://www.civforum.de/images/smilies/ueberleg.gif
Likes shared religions, has grabbed a good deal of land, techs more than well and has Theocracy as his favourite civic ?

Maybe this Sury is Zara of Ethiopia ?

*note to self* Read all posts before typing my answer */note* :D

Mad Scientist is:
Suleiman

YOU ARE LYING!!!! I AM SURYAVARMAN, I AM SURYAVARMAN, I AM SURYAVARMAN!!!!!!!

Madness? THIS IS KHMER!!!!!!

http://www.civforum.de/images/smilies/ueberleg.gif
Likes shared religions, has grabbed a good deal of land, techs more than well and has Theocracy as his favourite civic ?

Maybe this Sury is Zara of Ethiopia ?

*note to self* Read all posts before typing my answer */note* :D

Last note, We are under ALOT of cultural pressure from Blue Sury, definitely Creative.

Madness? THIS IS KHMER!!!!!!

Indeed. :lol:

"Will the Real Suryavarman Stand Up?": Part VI???

AHhhh, the world of the insane Khmerians!!!! The Buddhist lovefest has started to fall apart, bigtime! Of course I helped it along, ALOT!!!! But here are the personalities I think are going on

Orange I think is Cyrus who is now in FR

Blue is Likely Zara because of the culture pressure and theocracy.

White is still unknown

Grey is unknown but could be bribed.

So onto the game, First Orange Sury adopts FR which led to

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/SuryE0000.jpg

So much for the Buddhist lovefest.

We also used the last of our eps from Orange Sury to steal.

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/SuryE0001.jpg

We never got another GSpy for Scotland yard, so at the point I reassigned eps.

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/SuryE0002.jpg

The Great Spy got us quite a few techs, nothing immensely strong but alot of fillins!

We started to make a few trades, to move along

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/SuryE0003.jpg

We then traded off Banking and PP for nationalism and cash. That led to tech as

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/SuryE0005.jpg

Doing pretty well now.

I should tell you all my techpath: Guilds/gunpowder/Chemistry (partly bulbed)/Military Science (almost finished at the save).

AT this point I thought it was time to shake things up, before someone should me up or started making a strong tech run at the SpaceShip.

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/SuryE0006.jpg

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/SuryE0008.jpg

So I bribed Grey Sury to attack Orange Sury and Blue Sury to attack White Sury leading to

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/SuryE0009.jpg

BATTLE of the SURYs!!!!!!!


WE bided our time a bit, building muskets/knights/trebs. We are definitely getting into this.

As you can see

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/SuryE0010.jpg

The victum is Grey Sury, as he is fighting the strongest of the Sury's and has the largest border with us.

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/SuryE0011.jpg

This Sury is not very agressive at fighting at all, so I thought he could be Gandhi, except he was bribed into attacking Orange Sury.

We made quick mincemeat of the first city

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/SuryE0012.jpg

we rebuilt and starting slowing building a second force to move northward so we can pop out in the south and join forces.

Yet another city

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/SuryE0013.jpg

And a third city

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/SuryE0014.jpg

Rebuilding the attack for more land

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/SuryE0015.jpg

And beginning the assault on the Northern Grey Sury cities.

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/SuryE0016.jpg

Like I said before, rather poor counter attacks from Grey Sury.

Yet another city

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/SuryE0017.jpg

We made another trade with one of the Sury's (sorry, I am getting a little lost which is which).

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/SuryE0018.jpg

Which allowed us to change civics.

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/SuryE0019.jpg

To start working a SE bit if a game. That little extra food from the Baray helps out a little although getting food on this map is TOUGH!

After capturing Washington.

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/SuryE0020.jpg

We brought Sury in to talk.

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/SuryE0021.jpg

OK, what to do now???
Do we take peace and start rebuilding with the gold, grenaders are almost here and I am teching steel next.

Do we continue the attack and exterminate Grey Sury??? I do not want to vassal him since we may win a conquest game.

And let me leave you with the tech situation.

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/SuryE0022.jpg

OK, where to now my Suryavarman fans!

Last note, We are under ALOT of cultural pressure from Blue Sury, definitely Creative.
The players' traits are not randomized (the code checks for LeaderType instead of PersonalityType here) so all of the Surys are Expansive & Creative. Otherwise you would be Philosophical & Imperialistic, Mr. Su***man. :D

You can check this by investigating your Clones' cities (enough :espionage: provided). All get the +2:culture: "free commerce" for Creative and the +2:health: "from Civilization" for Expansive.

The players' traits are not randomized (the code checks for LeaderType instead of PersonalityType here) so all of the Surys are Expansive & Creative. Otherwise you would be Philosophical & Imperialistic, Mr. Su***man. :D

You can check this by investigating your Clones' cities (enough :espionage: provided). All get the +2:culture: "free commerce" for Creative and the +2:health: "from Civilization" for Expansive.

:wallbash::hammer2: Of course!

How exactly Beijing and Theohuchiblablabla(Monty) are in the game? Oh and Washington too.:eek:

Mad, you just destroyed the Olympics :lol:

When the city list of a civ ends, it starts using the lists of civs that aren't in game. With 7 sury using the same list I bet the Khmer list burnt out pretty fast :lol:

Three notes:
1) Why didnt I see this game a bit earlier? I just read all 8 pages and my mind is bleeding
2) You changed out of OR and hence broke your own rules
3) I bet the unkown Sury is Mansa, Orange is Cyrus, the one everyone thinks is Zara, I guess is Sal.

On another note: Nice recatch of the techs last 2 rounds, and nice idea. Why not play some more of these? I am definately going to!

Three notes:
1) Why didnt I see this game a bit earlier? I just read all 8 pages and my mind is bleeding


Your own fault, you should be waiting on edge for every RPC post I make :D



2) You changed out of OR and hence broke your own rules



I did now , didn't I! :D Rules are made to be broken. Certain AIs I consider honorable and would never break rules. Others are scoundrals and break them at the earliest convenience, and Sury is one of them (Ditto Monty, Al. etc...)





3) I bet the unkown Sury is Mansa, Orange is Cyrus, the one everyone thinks is Zara, I guess is Sal.



I thought Zara because he techs fairly well, although any of the Zealots are possible. Sal is a good techer once he is established though.



On another note: Nice recatch of the techs last 2 rounds, and nice idea. Why not play some more of these? I am definately going to!

:aargh::aargh::aargh::aargh::aargh::aargh::aargh:

:nono: I want a 18 Monty version of this in a Arboria Map ( Rumble in the jungle ! ) :lol:

:nono: I want a 18 Monty version of this in a Arboria Map ( Rumble in the jungle ! ) :lol:

What would be more insane in that case? Random personalities, or all Montys? :D

I can't say much more but I already received a "order" for a 18 monty scenario in a rainforest map since i made that post ;)

I can't say much more but I already received a "order" for a 18 monty scenario in a rainforest map since i made that post ;)

I might even consider trying that, if I owe it to myself to lose a bit of sanity. :p

Lets go with "The Full Monty", 17 AIs, all 18 players Monty, Random Personalities, and either Fantasy or Arboria/Rainforest Map (either madness or Woodsman mania)!

Seriously, I like the fantasy map script and this idea adds just that final snip of madness...

By The Way: I shall NEVER fall into the Suryavarman name thing. I am an individual, I am Mad Scientist, not some freakish Sury clone. I am me, you gotta believe me!!!!!!

YOU ARE LYING!!!! I AM SURYAVARMAN, I AM SURYAVARMAN, I AM SURYAVARMAN!!!!!!!

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Quote:
Originally Posted by madscientist
By The Way: I shall NEVER fall into the Suryavarman name thing. I am an individual, I am Mad Scientist, not some freakish Sury clone. I am me, you gotta believe me!!!!!!

Quote:
Originally Posted by madscientist
YOU ARE LYING!!!! I AM SURYAVARMAN, I AM SURYAVARMAN, I AM SURYAVARMAN!!!!!!!


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:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

Sury , pls untye mad and let him play :p

Sury , pls untye mad and let him play :p

:run::run::run::run:

:nono: I want a 18 Monty version of this in a Arboria Map ( Rumble in the jungle ! ) :lol:

Aggressive AI too, non-random personalities. Maybe with no tech trading though that would obsolete diplomacy...

Hehe. I just tried the thing out with 6 Catherines :crazyeye:
I'm all dizzy from the slapping and I ended up getting attacked in my weak spot because of the worlds suck donut-shape (I had plenty of military in north, were in the south myself, suddenly Orange Russians comes leaping at me from south, I quit because I have warriors and nothing else down there :run:)

I can't say much more but I already received a "order" for a 18 monty scenario in a rainforest map since i made that post ;)

I want 18 Montys on a Donut script. NOW! :lol:

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=288004 It is rainforest and random personalities are on.

I want 18 Montys on a Donut script. NOW! :lol:
What map size? Options? Lots of forest I assume :p

What map size? Options? Lots of forest I assume :p
I'm going to roll one myself, thread will be going up shortly :p

Hehe. I just tried the thing out with 6 Catherines :crazyeye:

I ended up getting attacked in my weak spot...


An angry Catherine will do that to you. Particularly when she finds out you're engaged in international affairs with five other women.

An angry Catherine will do that to you. Particularly when she finds out you're engaged in international affairs with five other women.

Yeah and she was a religious freak aswell, her being Jewish and me being Buddhist... Ouch, I took a beating :lol:

"Will the Real Suryavarman Please Stand Up?": Part VII

Well after the last segment we had alot of discussion! Unfortunately none of it really gave me any advice on what to do in this insane world. That's OK since I forget what I was asking advice on. Nevertheless, I took matters into my own hands and played some more of the game, with a definite decision to be made by the end of a fairly longgggg segment.

First the techpath: finished military science/Replaceable Part/Rifiling and start Military Tradition. Not much tech for a long segment you ask??? Well perhaps that was due to the science slider being at 10% most of the time, and still running at negative gold.

But onto the game.

The Ap shows it's ugly head to try and spoil our fun.

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/Sury/SuryF0000.jpg

Fortunately, we were able to vote it down.

I decided to fight this war a little longer so as

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/Sury/SuryF0001.jpg

Yes, we have claimed the Olympics!!!


We dragged Grey Sury in to negotiate and got gold to fuel our research a little more.

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/Sury/SuryF0002.jpg

I am sure this guy is Mansa Musa as he was immediately willing to make a trade for tech after peace.

Very soon after we continue to shake things up

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/Sury/SuryF0003.jpg

And after another Sury jumps in we got

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/Sury/SuryF0005.jpg

Another World War Sury!!!

OK, so this is where we are at with figuing these Sury personalities

Orange Sury = Cyrus
Grey Sury = Mansa Musa
Blue Sury = Zealot, probably Zara or Sal.
Lt. Blue Sury??? He avoided all conflict although he was building up military but backed off (the WHEOOH message came and went without war). I suspect Pacal.

We then popped a GS

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/Sury/SuryF0006.jpg

Which we used for a Golden Age!

Now Orange Sury and Grey Sury are at war with each other, so I used this as a great time to put the smack down on Sury.

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/Sury/SuryF0007.jpg

In the meantime we made a few trades with the dark and light blue Surys

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/Sury/SuryF0008.jpg

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/Sury/SuryF0009.jpg

What do I care if I trade away RP, it's an insane game anyway.

Readjusted civics to favor happiness and keep costs down (so I can run the science slider at 10%!!!!!).

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/Sury/SuryF0010.jpg

My militayr plan is really not a plan! Just move my army north and south so they meet in the middle!

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/Sury/SuryF0011.jpg

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/Sury/SuryF0012.jpg

We capture the city Battanbang!

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/Sury/SuryF0013.jpg

Which has

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/Sury/SuryF0014.jpg

Too bad I couldn't get this before the last golden age, but that's OK. The Parthenon will help for a while.

We slowly at first start accumulating cities, but increase more and more as grenaders take the field

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/Sury/SuryF0015.jpg

Then this vote pops up (EDIT: correction, this got me in charge of the AP, the Diplo Victory came later as shown in teh continued screenshot).

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/Sury/SuryF0016.jpg

The hell with it, I take a chance, rules or no rule, let saintly enlightenment free the Real Suryavarman from this hell.

Unfortunately Sury, Sury,and Sury voted for Sury while Sury Abstained. No one voted for us.

OK, back to the attack, we split forced to take 2 weaker cities

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/Sury/SuryF0017.jpg

We took both pretty easily.

We then started a new stack from the north going south to meet up with the stacks that went north but are moving up from the south.

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/Sury/SuryF0020.jpg

We captured this key city

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/Sury/SuryF0022.jpg

Why key???

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/Sury/SuryF0023.jpg

We now have a continuous line from north to south back to north. Why this is important I have no idea, but seams like the thing to do!!!

To Be Continued

"Will the Real Suryavarman Please Stand Up?": Part VII

Woops, made a mistake on the previous post, it was here we got the question

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/Sury/SuryF0025.jpg

And the results

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/Sury/SuryF0026.jpg

And Zealot Sury offered a decent trade for some happiness and need cash.

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/Sury/SuryF0027.jpg

OK, we bring the hammer blow to the Grey Khmerian capital

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/Sury/SuryF0028.jpg

And

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/Sury/SuryF0029.jpg

Unfortunately we did lose BattanBang arround the same time.

And this is where we saved.

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/Sury/SuryF0030.jpg

OK, what to do??? Do we want our very own Sury Vassal so we are not outdone by Orange Sury? If we do that we are comitted to a space race win. Or do we move in for the kill and let our economy totally tank?

We are not doing so bad in tehc considering

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/Sury/SuryF0031.jpg

Our empire is larger than the others, So I expect we shall catchup eventually although no promises on this insane map.

Diplomatically we have 1 friend.

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/Sury/SuryF0032.jpg

And a view of what Grey Sury has left.

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/Sury/SuryF0033.jpg

So there are 2 paths

1) Peace, hunker down, and beeline the spaceship path letting our empire size do the talking.

2) Tech Military Tradition and Steel and take out as many Surys as we can and go for the Conquest win (we shall have to do some razing though).

I am fine with either path.

Do not acept capitulation. finish the guy, tech communism and adopt SP. Then smash Orange and Purple ( by that order ) with drafted rifles :p

Option (2) for great justice! Sury(s) need a beatdown for their backstabbing alien ways in all the games I've played against him!

I vote for conquest, haven't seen one in a long time.

you have a tech lead (ie rifles), why stop warring

Conquest!!!

!!!tseuqnoC

Seriously, those weird coloured cambodians have caused me too much confusion to live another day!!!

So the collective has reached consensus :D

Conquest !

i say make them all radioactive . Nuke them all.

Why nuking? I doubt the game goes that far.....

Indeed, kill them all. :hammer: I mean two of these impostors have abandoned your beloved Buddhism and are now running Free Religion!?

Remember the credo by which the One True Sury started this quest:
2) We must play as the Suryavarman in BTS would play as the AI. Meaning agressive Militarily, a bit of a religious Zealot, favors LOT's of Military, and needs to stay in the OR civic all game!
Agressive. Zealot. Military. There is only one conclusion:

KILL THE NON-BELIEVERS! (and the believers too for that matter because... just because.)

Yeah, I'm choosing to conveniently forget that the OR civic portion of the credo was already broken. Truth has no place in warmongering propaganda. :p

You've already destroyed him this far, you might as well finish the job, he won't really be useful to you anyway and its not like his cities will be hard to get to.

How much is war weariness hurting you? I'd imagine this far in it'd have to be pretty bad. Maybe your economy will look better as soon as the war is over.

After that, I'd definitely have to be in the boat that says beeline Communism, get State Property, and purge the infidels!!

Give me a "C"! Give me an "O"! Give me an "N"! (I guess you see where I'm going with this...)

I thought you turned Domination victory off? :(

MS, you know what we want, we want BLOOD!!!!!!!!

I thought you turned Domination victory off? :(

If I understand correctly, MadScientist was asking whether to pursue a space victory or a conquest victory, not a domination.

I'd take revenge on the most annoying Sury by knocking him down to one city, surrounded by your borders while you tech to space.

Not the most fun to read, but it's what I'd do in an offline game.

Not to mention killing his economy by spamming corps to his lone city and forcing him into Enviromentalism somehow.

If I understand correctly, MadScientist was asking whether to pursue a space victory or a conquest victory, not a domination.

I know, but he said "We'll need to raze", implying so that he didn't get a domination...he should have turned domination off!

Go to space :D












Just kidding KILL THEM ALL!

I still get the feeling to ask you the next question:

"Do you take the blue or the red pill" because it keeps feeling to me like you are in the Matrix :p

I had originally thought the "will need to raze" comment was in regards to keeping the economy from totally tanking due to city maintenance from the captured cities. But looking at the save, it seems none of the victory conditions were actually turned off so Ninentdo was right -- avoiding domination will be necessary.

"Will the Real Suryavarman Please Stand Up?": Part VII

A very short round, looking for some final decision/advice on how to proceed here. Also blood started to flow from my nose and I figured it safe to put a break on this insane board.

To summarize the Sury's
Orange = Cyrus
Dark Blue = A zealot (Zara or Sal)
Lt. Blue = A Sury who's favorite civic is Universal Sufferage because

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/Sury/SuryG0000.jpg

So a short round because we killed Green/Grey Sury and another interesting thing happened.

We took the new Khmerian capital

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/Sury/SuryG0001.jpg

Moved onto Batenbang, but we lost the just captured captial slowing us down a bit.
Annoying too because that city had the SoZ wonder.

And the interesting potentially game turner

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/Sury/SuryG0004.jpg

Dark Blue Sury vassaled to Orange Sury!!!!!

Oraneg Sury also declared on Grey Sury capturing a Grey Sury city that we could not find, which worked out well because

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/Sury/SuryG0005.jpg

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/Sury/SuryG0006.jpg

Another Sury bites the dust!

So we saved here with the biggest empire, and our scince slider all the way up to 20%!!! Still we are teching OK because of a decent SE game.

Now peak at the tech

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/Sury/SuryG0007.jpg

OK, so we have cavalry rifling/military Science against Orange Sury's Steel. We are also teching steel as we speak.

So, do we immediate proceed and attack Orange Sury now or build a vast military first and do it right! Understand We are facing a two front war here and will likely lose our last allie!

Well, with a power rating of 0.6 of Orange Sury I don't think you should expect much if you invade right now. However 10+ turns of extreme drafting/whipping Rifles should get you in a better position. After that you can consider building gold if you're getting dangerously low on cash, and slowly build gold-boosting buildings in city by city when you can afford it. If you finish Orange Sury the game is as won anyway.

By the way, when you do go to war you should consider bribing the remaining Sury to join the war on your side. The last thing you want is for him to fight against you.

anything worth doing is worth doing right! You do not want to half-a$$ anything. Maybe you can drag the other Sury into battle with you.

carl corey is right.....

This is well beyond rage...This is MAD-ness!

Go kill 'em all.

Yeh gods, this is the most insane RPC I have yet to play. My head is buzzing from playing the last segment.

I willt ry and give you a quick recap now so as I can post the segment, well I don't know. Nevertheless,

1) We teched off communism while building a force of rifles/cannons/cavalry.

2) We attacked Sury, Sury, and Sury. But not Sury, he pretty much stayed put and watched.

3) We started the war three different time since the first 2 we got our Khmerian behinds kicked. Nevertheless, this is an insane game and I am entitled to try this war a few times.

4) Third time is a charm, I think. Many Khmerians are dead, including my Khmerians.

5) No Sury likes us.

6) So we are still involved in a major bloodbath. I DO NOT plan to ever get peace.

7) Oh, by the way. I am very cautious about getting an accidental domination win, so I simply razed every city I came across,including a holy city and some wonders (not sure which one, it's pointless anyway).

Lt. Blue is Washington or Roosevelt. Not Gandhi.

"Will the Real Suryavarman Please Stand Up?": Part ?????

You say my quick Summary, let's get onto the game.

We teched our biggest tech

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/Sury/SuryH0000.jpg

We them went as suggested towards Sci Meth and Communism. State Property is a biggie.

We managed to get a little further along here.

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/Sury/SuryH0001.jpg

We teched to Communism and switched civics

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/Sury/SuryH20000.jpg

Now as I said I messed up this crazy war a few times. The first we tried to keep some cities, badddd idea. The second our capital was captured and inefficiently defended, Bahhhh. The third time, we played some defense and let Sury break his army on our cities.

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/Sury/SuryH30000.jpg

Now a large force of Crussairs/cannons attacked our capital. The key was keeping a small stack of Cavalry with flanking II to attack the stack.

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/Sury/SuryH30001.jpg

This destroyed enough Crussairs and weaked the cannons. After a few turns the cannons were eliminated at the cots of a few cavalry, and the remaining stack went on a suicide mission against our capital. This took alot of starch otu of Orange Sury.

We had a small stack going againt green Sury (he is green, right???)

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/Sury/SuryH30002.jpg

And proceeded to try and raze every city to know one Sury out. At teh save we are still trying to knock him out!!!

Blue Sury we have been fighting a defensive war, as there is only a 1 city border. While he is low in power, he has the bulk of his troops guarding that city, so we have to attack his rear once we finish shredding Orange Sury.

Here we captured and razed the Hindu Holy city.

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/Sury/SuryH30003.jpg

We regrouped this stack, enlarged it with more troops, and sent a good old mega stack off on a direct path to Orange Sury's capital, bypassing other cities. Time for a jugular stroke.

Which is shown here!!!

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/Sury/SuryH30005.jpg

Orange Sury's power numbers are dropping as you can see from the numbers next to the Sury's score. 1.0 means equal power graph numbers, less than 1.0 we are less in power, greater than 1.0 we are ahead.

We proceeded to capture another city near the capital, seeing little counter attacking troops.

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/Sury/SuryH30006.jpg

There is a clear area where we can heal pretty well as we have a medic III cavalry unti courtesy of an attached GG!

And here is a stetch of land connecting our cities to where Orange Sury's capital used to be.

OK, we saved here.

The war shall continue!!!! My goal is to pummell Orange Sury and let Blue Sury break away. Get a peace with Blue Sury and crush Orange Sury and his slime henchman Sury.

Any suggestions? None, good. Sury must die. Sury too, then Sury and finally Sury. Research? The hell with it.

Lt. Blue is Washington or Roosevelt. Not Gandhi.

The favoriute civic is US, GW loves FS and I believe Roosevelt's favorite is Merc unless it's different in BTS.

Nukes. And tons of em.

The favoriute civic is US, GW loves FS and I believe Roosevelt's favorite is Merc unless it's different in BTS.



More changes from Vanilla?

Great...

Good plan. Sury and then Sury, then sury after that and finally, Sury. Sounds great.
Off-Topic a bit: It's CUIRASSIER, oh how it bugs me to see it mispelled all over the place...

Time to kill every Sury on the map! :D

(Except yours, of course. :) )

First of all, Mad, thanks for a highly entertaining RPC, haven't laughed this much in ages, afraid my neighbours are rather cross with me now for going :rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl: in the middle of the night.

The favoriute civic is US, GW loves FS and I believe Roosevelt's favorite is Merc unless it's different in BTS.

It is different in BtS:

1. George Washington
Universal Suffrage
Charismatic
• +1 per City
• -25% XP Needed for Unit Promotions
• +1 from Monument, Broadcast Tower
Expansive
• +2 per City
• +25% for Worker
• +100% for Granary, Harbor

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2. Franklin D. Roosevelt
Universal Suffrage
Industrious
• +50% for Wonders
• +100% for Forge
Organized
• -50% Civic Upkeep
• +100% for Lighthouse, Factory, Courthouse

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3. Abraham Lincoln
Emancipation
Charismatic
• +1 per City
• -25% XP Needed for Unit Promotions
• +1 from Monument, Broadcast Towe