Yes, it's another Hitler. The first skin was great, but Napoleon's uniform didn't look that great. :sad: The second skin used FDR's face, which didn't go down so well...

So here's my version! Complete with suit, hat and Iron Cross.

http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk123/NikNaks93/HitlerScreenie2Hat.png

Download Here (http://forums.civfanatics.com/downloads.php?do=file&id=10365)

Now includes a no-hat version (as per requests):
http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk123/NikNaks93/HitlerScreenie2NoHat.png

Bear in mind, this is a work in progress, mainly due to the skin quality, so I might be coming back to it in future. If someone more skilled than I wants to make a skin, please, go ahead, and I'll probably replace mine with yours.

I also want to add an insignia to the cap, to round it off nicely.

Oh, and please keep comments to the leaderhead, and not the leader. Ta. ;)

Credits:
Dutchking - originally used the hat from his Rommel
KrugerPritz - now using his modified hat
kodzi, Hadrean and Elohim - I used their Napoleon skin as my base, and I've used their background

This looks promising... but...

I HATE THE SOVIET HAT! Absolutely must go IMHO. The hat looks bad, the hat looks Russian... He'd look better without the hat, plain and simple... his hair should be fine for the top of his head.

The triple-swastika cuff thingie... looks bad... Just go with the armband and leave the cufs plain (even if the armband is on both sleeves, but one sleeve if that's workable would be the best thing to do).

Okay, Wolfie. The hat has been changed slightly since I took those screens, but not much. And it's perfectly acceptable to use here. If you don't like it, you can delete it in NifSkope ;)

On the cuff thing, I agree. I'll do that for the next version.

Say, could you help with the skin?

Say, could you help with the skin?
Maybe... say... can you offer TWO Nifs... one with and one without the hat... I really hate the hat (and Hitler didn't wear them inside anyways).

Since Wolf has said all that might be criticized, I think he looks OK - just wondering about the Iron Cross: is it Rommel's or Hitler's? :confused:

I'm not sure on the cross. I just googled for it :lol:

And, Wolf, again, you can delete the hat in NifSkope. Can you use NifSkope? ;)

I'm not sure on the cross. I just googled for it :lol:

And, Wolf, again, you can delete the hat in NifSkope. Can you use NifSkope? ;)
Nope... can't figure it out. I'm old and fear change. I just learned of the internet a few weeks ago.

If it's so easy, can you just offer two seperate NIFs? With and without hat?

Jeez, if more people want a no-hat version, I'll offer one. For now, being an experienced modder yourself, you can edit it at your end to suit your own needs.

Now, anyone else have anything to say?

Jeez, if more people want a no-hat version, I'll offer one. For now, being an experienced modder yourself, you can edit it at your end to suit your own needs.
I'm not an experienced modder for models, I'm a somewhat proficient skinner... there is a difference. If I knew how to do it myself, why do you think I asked?

Don't worry about it... I'll stick with my current Hitler... don't know why everyone has a fetish with freakin' hats anyways... most of them look horrible anyways.

Good job niks, and I'd say just leave it as it is and if wolf wants to change it he can.

http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii220/dutchking101/thebirdman-1.png

Good job niks, and I'd say just leave it as it is and if wolf wants to change it he can.
Another person that assumes too much.

Hey this looks very nice, I take it that this is a non-shader version?

@Wolfshanze...stop being so picky, he said it was a work in project. Removing the hat will be a very quick fix in nifskope (if you don't want him with the hat).

Thanks again NikNaks! :goodjob:

You manage to put heads on units, so you should be able to take hats off LHs :rolleyes:

And thanks for the, er, support, DK.

EDIT: Yep, this is without shaders right now. DK promised he'd write his tutorial at some point.

You manage to put heads on units.
I did? Funny, I don't remember ever changing one model.

Why do you keep assuming I know how to work with Nifscope when I keep saying I don't and can't figure it out?

If I knew how to do it myself, I'd say the hell with you guys and change it myself. Or do you think I wouldn't change something to fit my own needs even if I knew how?

If I say I can't figure out Nifscope in public, it's probably because I can't figure out Nifscope... and not some devious plan to get someone else to do something I already know how to do just fine.

I was thinking about some units like your Austro-German Warlords (http://forums.civfanatics.com/downloads.php?do=file&id=9938), where you claim to have "a new head" and "a new crown", but obviously that's a ruse.

Wolf:
He doesn't want to remove the hat. You can do it yourself by downloading nifskope, right clicking on the hat and clicking "remove" and save it. Its not rocket science.

Wolf:
He doesn't want to remove the hat. You can do it yourself by downloading nifskope, right clicking on the hat and clicking "remove" and save it. Its not rocket science.
These things you speak of sound easy... I have Nifskope, it just scares the beejebies out of me everytime I look at it... which right now is about all I know how to do... view an object with it.

Maybe I'll try looking again.

yikes...calm down Wolfshanze, take it easy. Like dutchking said, you can remove the hat on nifskope by right clicking on the hat,

then go to block > remove branch and that's it.

Now for some constructive criticism :goodjob:

NikNaks, you should give your "Hitler" the angry look Elhoim had on his. You know, when you met Hitler for the first time he had the annoyed look already.

Me not knowing much about LH making, wouldn't it be easier to just give Elhoim's Hitler a new uniform reskin?

Smooth work ignoring the point about you knowing how to use it :rolleyes:

Which angry look is this, DWOLF? I've got the same base he did.

this
http://forums.civfanatics.com/downloads/hitlerimproved1_FhA.jpg

no matter what you do, he always looks mad, maybe you did add this to your "Hitler" and I haven't looked closer.

Hm, I never really noticed that before. Try copying those animations over the ones in the d/l. See if that does it.

All you have to do is open up the annoyed.kf and copy and replace (no nifskope work, just copy and paste the file) the rest of the animations with that. :p (save the affirmative and negative reactions)

I've added a new version with a swastika armband. It's quite basic, but I think it looks OK.

Smooth work ignoring the point about you knowing how to use it :rolleyes:
What are you talking about? The first time you asked, I said "Nope can't figure it out".


I've added a new version with a swastika armband. It's quite basic, but I think it looks OK.
Screenies?

What are you talking about? The first time you asked, I said "Nope can't figure it out".Just out of interest, how did you change the heads on those warlords?

Just out of interest, how did you change the heads on those warlords?
I'm a great organizer... and I subcontract out what I don't/can't do personally.

I am an idea man, a mod-maker, an XMLer, skinner on the side, and gatherer of talented individuals.

To each his strengths, make the whole much better.

I wouldn't say your a skinner wolfshanze, just a unit painter or recolor. :p

Then, I'm sure you'll be able to find someone who wants to remove the hat, Wolfie.

NikNaks, check the files on your Hitler, you're missing some files that prevent the LH to display right...napoleon_bg.nif

I just think the arms/shoulders look a little "off," otherwise its fine. Hat or no hate doesn't make a difference, I would put some type of emblem on it though.

What Do You think about this reshaped cap?
The texture and the eagle could be better... but this is a work for Wolfshanze :D

BTW i include also the folder with the nif... I hope that NikNak and wolf enjoy it.

Thanks for that catch DWOLF, I'm uploading a fix now.

Kruger, that looks great! I'll include it when I'm fixing the download.

Capo, do you mean texture-wise? If so, then yes, they are. That's one of the areas that need improvement.

NikNaks, you should give your "Hitler" the angry look Elhoim had on his. You know, when you met Hitler for the first time he had the annoyed look already.

Me not knowing much about LH making, wouldn't it be easier to just give Elhoim's Hitler a new uniform reskin?
Did you fix this NikNaks? Mr Always ticked-off Hitler?

If/when you update your download you should provide a version number with changes and update the pictures so we can see what the current version looks like.

Yeah, I've been meaning to update the screenies. I haven't done the always-scowling-at-you anims yet, but I'll do it later.

Well there's no such thing as a happy Hitler, so don't hold-off too long.

:lol: I'm just trying to imagine Hitler happy. Disturbing.

Well, I do know watermelon always makes Hitler happy!

http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/sgt_stryker/emoticons/hitler-watermelon.gif

Does that mean Hitler's black?

Does that mean Hitler's black?

that wasn't very nice...:hmm: :nono:

Well, Hitler hated blacks, so I found a good way to skewer him!

Can't wait for the final Hitler w hat version:):mischief::goodjob:

What Do You think about this reshaped cap?
The texture and the eagle could be better... but this is a work for Wolfshanze :D
"the hat looks great!">>http://img212.imageshack.us/img212/8400/muswbinocularsum3.jpg (http://img212.imageshack.us/my.php?image=muswbinocularsum3.jpg)

Hey jimmy how are You? You've changed from army to business I've seen :D (your avatar)

Yeah, I just meant the arms look out of place in that image, I didn't look at the actual animation though because I was waiting for the final version. I'll go ahead and plug in in though now, see how everything looks. Thanks for your work, I wish I could do this stuff on my own, but I'm just starting to get how to put in the leaderheads.

Oh, I put in the leaderhead and it showed up without the hat or the armband images, like so;

<img src="http://img115.imageshack.us/img115/213/hitlerscreenoy5.jpg">

Did I do something wrong, or is the whole thing unifinished so far?

Oh, I put in the leaderhead and it showed up without the hat or the armband images, like so;

http://img115.imageshack.us/img115/213/hitlerscreenoy5.th.jpg (http://img115.imageshack.us/my.php?image=hitlerscreenoy5.jpg)

Did I do something wrong, or is the whole thing unifinished so far?

Hm, that's odd. I may have missed a couple of texture files out...

How can i install him to Rise of man Kind Mod?

I'd like to see him without the hat too. And the arm textures seem... off.

Top notch work though.

Also, are sitting bull's anims compatible, his greeting could be used.

I was thinking that his anim is the best for a nazi-style greeting, but I'm fairly sure it doesn't work with Napoleon.

And, yes, my textures are appalling :lol:

@xbeanerx
I'm not too sure how RoM works. Could you post an example (any will do) from the following files:
CIV4ArtDefinesLeaderhead.xml
CIV4CivilizationInfos.xml
CIV4LeaderheadInfos.xml

I'm having the same issues with this LH as The Capo a few posts up. Any chance a corrected version could be uploaded soon? The LH looks great!

Cheers,
ripple01

Yes, I'm just checking it works in game. I'll update the screenshots, too.

Okay, new version posted! Comments appreciated. He now has an armband, and always looks angry, unless you've somehow got onto his good side :lol: There's also a no-hat version available, and I've re-worked the hair for that purpose.

Okay, new version posted! Comments appreciated. He now has an armband, and always looks angry, unless you've somehow got onto his good side :lol: There's also a no-hat version available, and I've re-worked the hair for that purpose.

Without Hat version looks great !

Thanks! That means a lot to me. :D

I heard that Aranor's Leonidas skin was lost, is that right?

Okay, new version posted! Comments appreciated. He now has an armband, and always looks angry, unless you've somehow got onto his good side :lol: There's also a no-hat version available, and I've re-worked the hair for that purpose.
Now we're talking! Love the no-hat version... wherever did you get such a cool idea to do a no-hat version? :mischief:

Anyways... great job NikNaks... may I offer one (and only one) bit of constructive criticism? It concerns the new armband.

From the screenies on the 1st page, it looks to me like Hitler is a little too fond of that armband and showing it off...
A) The Armband turned the wrong way... like on top of his biceps if he were to flex... the swastika should be on the side of his arm, not on top of his biceps... I realize you won't see it as well with the correct facing, but it is what it is... just looks sorta odd with its current facing.

B) Maybe it's just me... maybe it's the screenshot (I haven't looked at it in-game yet, just going off your screenies)... but it looks... hmmm... how should I say this... "too vivid"? Hard to put into words, but it seems to stand out more then it should. This last point is not a huge concern, more an observation of mine...

Anyways... that's about it... I LOVE this model NikNaks... very nice... (especially the no-hat version!). I think if you just turn that armband so the Swastika has the correct facing, you'd have an A+ winner here! As it stands now... I have to give you an A... maybe an A-... just turn that armband and you'll smoke everyone with a great LH model! :goodjob:

So, instead of facing forwards, you're saying it should face (from the way we look at it) more to the right of the screen? Yeah, I see what you're saying. As for the vividness, I went for a reddish brown over bright red to try and tone it down already, but... :dunno:

Yeah... more to the side facing out...

http://www.debbieschlussel.com/archives/hitler.jpg http://listverse.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/10/adolf-hitler-biography-2.jpg

Okay, working on it. I won't bother to update the screenshots, as that would be a bit of a waste of time for a small change like this.

Say, do you want/need any LHs for Wolfshanze Mod?

Oh... and I don't think the red armband is the problem... it might be more the white part and/or the swastika... perhaps the white is too white? Dullen the white... I think the red armband is okay... probably the white part that is too bright... maybe the black is too black too?

Oh... LHs for Wolfshanze Mod? Can't say I can really think of any major ones off the top of my head... I think someone is going to work on Chaing Ki Shek (and yes, my spelling of his name is awful).

Yeah, I think that's me as well :lol: I'll see what I can do with the colours.

Yeah, I think that's me as well :lol: I'll see what I can do with the colours.
Well good... now I don't have to remember who it was...

Maybe one day you guys will figure out just how old and senile I am.

:lol: Okay, well I've updated the main download. I've moved it round, blurred it a touch and made the swastika dark grey rather than black. Hope it's better now :)

Here's the changed file attached.

Oh, do you have any good source pictures for Chiang? I've found a few on Google, but they aren't that brilliant.

Outstanding LH!! I was using the awesome hatless Hitler that DWolf posted for some time now, and this one is even better:goodjob:

As for the 'mad-hatter,' I think it is a far better improvement form the Roosevelt, & my only other comment is the hat is missing the insignia. I wish I knew how to combine your's with KrugerPritz's hat.

No worries, love the hatless:love:!!! Keep up the great work.
-Jimmy

Seems the hatless version is popular... http://forums.profantasysports.com/images/smiles/WHISTLE.GIF

Chaing is hard to come up with good clear pictures (I posted one earlier, did you see it?).

Finally!

Hey there's a hatless version of Hitler, seems like Wolfshanze's nagging payed off...hehe...:lol: :mischief: j/k

nice work Niks!

Finally!

Hey there's a hatless version of Hitler, seems like Wolfshanze's nagging payed off...hehe...:lol: :mischief: j/k

nice work Niks!
Squeaky wheel and all DWOLF...

I think the Wolfshanze Mod has come full circle now... updating Hitler and all... do you know the Wolfshanze Mod v1.0 started with DWOLF's BtS Hitler Mod as the initial base? :lol:

Really? Weird...

Like I said, you've come along way Wolfshanze...

about Hitler, he's still smiling at me...I want him to be annoyed....

Okay... for the first time since DWOLF's BtS Hitler Mod (and v1.0 of the Wolfshanze Mod), I've uploaded a different Hitler (I never liked the FDR Hitler).... now I've got something beyond screenshots to go on...

More (in-game) feedback/constructive criticism:
1) First and foremost, this new Hitler is a torso & head with arms, and I know so because I can see that in-game. In other words, I can distinctly see the floor of the Chancellery underneath Hitlers disembodied torso. In any animation sequence, the floor is visible where Hitlers body should be (look underneath the iron cross on his shirt in-game, you can see the floor where you shouldn't be able to)... in some animations (where he's mad and reals-up) you can see considerable amount of floor where you shouldn't be able to.

I know that the model is only a torso & head with arms (as are all LHs), but I guess this one is set too high in the frame, and/or the camera is zoomed out too much?!?!? In either case, something should be done so you can't see the floor underneath Hitler's torso... this was not a problem with Elohim's Hitler (I even double-checked to make sure I wasn't seeing things).

2) Something is wrong with the arms... call it "football pads syndrome"... seems his arms are too low compared to his shoulders... like someone ripped his arms out of their sockets and they're sagging a bit out of his shoulder sockets. His shoulders are too high or his arms are too low. That's my take... once again, I compared it in-game with Elohim's Hitler to make sure I wasn't seeing things (and I checked default DeGaulle too), and I thought Elohim's Hitler shoulders/arms seemed more natural (as well as DeGaulle's). I have no idea how easy/hard this is to fix, but the arms definitely seem too low on the model compared to his shoulders.

3) The animations still don't seem right... at least not for Hitler... now this is purely personal opinion, not a mechanical fault with the model... so it's not so much a model problem, just my own thoughts... Elohim's Hitler seemed animated... well... like what you'd expect Hitler to be. If you were against him, used him yourself, or just viewed him in the "Select Leaderhead" screen, you'd get him scowling and putting his hands on his hips and looking disgusted... with this one, I'm getting a lot of hands in the shirt, half grins and pompously looking left and right... more like what I'd expect (and in fact do see) Napoleon do in-game. Is there a way you could just "steal/borrow" all of Elohim's Hitler animations for every pose? Is that possible? I think that might be best if that's possible. Once again, that's my 2-cent-take on animations, and it's certainly MY opinion, and I can't say Hitler would or wouldn't pose like that... but to me, it just felt like Elohim's animations were more appropriate, and the current set still seems to act too much like Napoleon with the hand in the shirt bit.

Having said all that...

This is still a fantastic LH... I like the overall look better then Elohim's... the uniform is certainly a big improvement... I think if you could fix the "floor under the torso" thing, and fix the arms a bit... those are must-haves... I know my thoughts on animation use is a personal one, but it'd be a bigger bonus if you could fix that too... if not, oh well, just fix the torso and arm issues and I'd be pleased as punch.

P.S.
Yes, he's still smiling at me, and it must stop!

Yes, he's still smiling at me, and it must stop!

hey maybe he conquered Europe!

Okay... for the first time since DWOLF's BtS Hitler Mod (and v1.0 of the Wolfshanze Mod), I've uploaded a different Hitler (I never liked the FDR Hitler).... now I've got something beyond screenshots to go on...

More (in-game) feedback/constructive criticism:
1) First and foremost, this new Hitler is a torso & head with arms, and I know so because I can see that in-game. In other words, I can distinctly see the floor of the Chancellery underneath Hitlers disembodied torso. In any animation sequence, the floor is visible where Hitlers body should be (look underneath the iron cross on his shirt in-game, you can see the floor where you shouldn't be able to)... in some animations (where he's mad and reals-up) you can see considerable amount of floor where you shouldn't be able to.

I know that the model is only a torso & head with arms (as are all LHs), but I guess this one is set too high in the frame, and/or the camera is zoomed out too much?!?!? In either case, something should be done so you can't see the floor underneath Hitler's torso... this was not a problem with Elohim's Hitler (I even double-checked to make sure I wasn't seeing things).Yeah, I just realised that. I'll fix it in a sec.

2) Something is wrong with the arms... call it "football pads syndrome"... seems his arms are too low compared to his shoulders... like someone ripped his arms out of their sockets and they're sagging a bit out of his shoulder sockets. His shoulders are too high or his arms are too low. That's my take... once again, I compared it in-game with Elohim's Hitler to make sure I wasn't seeing things (and I checked default DeGaulle too), and I thought Elohim's Hitler shoulders/arms seemed more natural (as well as DeGaulle's). I have no idea how easy/hard this is to fix, but the arms definitely seem too low on the model compared to his shoulders. That's the fault of Napoleon's model. Remember those little shoulder things he has? They fill the gap. If I try and move his torso, I think he'll end up looking like a giraffe.

3) The animations still don't seem right... at least not for Hitler... now this is purely personal opinion, not a mechanical fault with the model... so it's not so much a model problem, just my own thoughts... Elohim's Hitler seemed animated... well... like what you'd expect Hitler to be. If you were against him, used him yourself, or just viewed him in the "Select Leaderhead" screen, you'd get him scowling and putting his hands on his hips and looking disgusted... with this one, I'm getting a lot of hands in the shirt, half grins and pompously looking left and right... more like what I'd expect (and in fact do see) Napoleon do in-game. Is there a way you could just "steal/borrow" all of Elohim's Hitler animations for every pose? Is that possible? I think that might be best if that's possible. Once again, that's my 2-cent-take on animations, and it's certainly MY opinion, and I can't say Hitler would or wouldn't pose like that... but to me, it just felt like Elohim's animations were more appropriate, and the current set still seems to act too much like Napoleon with the hand in the shirt bit.Well, except for the greeting and his friendly animations, I thought I'd changed it so that he was always angry. Maybe I uploaded the wrong files.

Having said all that...

This is still a fantastic LH... I like the overall look better then Elohim's... the uniform is certainly a big improvement... I think if you could fix the "floor under the torso" thing, and fix the arms a bit... those are must-haves... I know my thoughts on animation use is a personal one, but it'd be a bigger bonus if you could fix that too... if not, oh well, just fix the torso and arm issues and I'd be pleased as punch.Thanks, Wolfie. Next time I release a LH, I hope there'll be less criticism. :lol:

Okay, I've addressed those issues, and (finally) added KrugerPritz's cap. I've included his skin as an option, too. I'll update the screenshots at some point, but otherwise, that should be it. If anyone wants to improve the skin, please do :goodjob:

Okay, I've addressed those issues, and (finally) added KrugerPritz's cap. I've included his skin as an option, too. I'll update the screenshots at some point, but otherwise, that should be it. If anyone wants to improve the skin, please do :goodjob:
Okay...

I'd consider main-issues #1 and #2 concluded... the LH MODEL looks great! No complaints.

I'm still concerned about the animations.

He still has happy-go-lucky faces for friendly and pleased... go to the LEADER SELECTION screen and see what I mean... he gives you a big happy smile and keeps sticking his hand in his shirt like Napoleon... or select Hitler as your leader and see him in the opening screen... this hasn't been fixed yet in the download... now I was (on my end) able to fix the problem by copying-over the pleased and friendly animations with the annoyed/cautious animation... that fixed that problem, but should also be fixed in the main download.

The other problem I noticed was this... seems all he has is the ONE emotion/animation (other then happy Hitler).... the annoyed/cautious seems to be the only animation he has in the negative arena... one would think you could actually make Hitler MAD! The Furious animation is the same as annoyed/cautious. Can't you make Hitler mad and throw a rant?

Elohim had the arms on hips, general growl as the "normal" Hitler... I'm not sure if that was "Cautious" or "Annoyed" (or if there's even a difference between them)... but I would say that pose should be used for "Friendly, Pleased & Cautious". If there's an "angrier" pose then that one, use it for "Annoyed"... if that was "annoyed", then that's fine too... but surely there must be a "FURIOUS" animation that is worse then "Annoyed".

Are the default Napoleon animations useable with this Hitler, or did you have to modify the animations to work with this model? I'd really like to see a completely ticked-off Hitler.

that wasn't very nice...:hmm: :nono:

Baaaaaaww.

I'm still concerned about the animations.Oh come on!
He still has happy-go-lucky faces for friendly and pleased... go to the LEADER SELECTION screen and see what I mean... he gives you a big happy smile and keeps sticking his hand in his shirt like Napoleon... or select Hitler as your leader and see him in the opening screen... this hasn't been fixed yet in the download...That's the greeting animation. If I change that, there will be no animation except for hands-on-hips. I can't change animations themselves. now I was (on my end) able to fix the problem by copying-over the pleased and friendly animations with the annoyed/cautious animation... that fixed that problem, but should also be fixed in the main download.So even if you're on his good side, you want him to scowl. Okay, I'm going to leave that me at my end.
The other problem I noticed was this... seems all he has is the ONE emotion/animation (other then happy Hitler).... the annoyed/cautious seems to be the only animation he has in the negative arena... one would think you could actually make Hitler MAD! The Furious animation is the same as annoyed/cautious. Can't you make Hitler mad and throw a rant?
Elohim had the arms on hips, general growl as the "normal" Hitler... I'm not sure if that was "Cautious" or "Annoyed" (or if there's even a difference between them)... but I would say that pose should be used for "Friendly, Pleased & Cautious". If there's an "angrier" pose then that one, use it for "Annoyed"... if that was "annoyed", then that's fine too... but surely there must be a "FURIOUS" animation that is worse then "Annoyed".Wolf, that is the furious animation. All the other animations, he just looks from side to side, or even stares at you.

Are the default Napoleon animations useable with this Hitler, or did you have to modify the animations to work with this model? I'd really like to see a completely ticked-off Hitler.No, you need Max to change anims. These are all default animations.

Look, I can only do so much, and I'm frankly tired of trying to fix everything according to your specifications :lol: I've spent far too long on this one leaderhead already. So, I'm pleased with it, and I'm not going to edit it any more unless there is some terrible bug in it.

Oh come on!
That's the greeting animation. If I change that, there will be no animation except for hands-on-hips. I can't change animations themselves. So even if you're on his good side, you want him to scowl. Okay, I'm going to leave that me at my end.
Well, if that's the greeting animation, I've never noticed Hitler continually sticking his hand in his shirt like Napoleon always did and pompously jutting his head in the air like a stuck-up pig. Maybe you like Hitler doing his best Napoleon impersonation, but frankly, sticking his hand in his shirt and pretending to be Napoleon is a lot worse then Hitler scowling at you... obviously you and I have different opinions on typical Hitler mannerisms... I'd be okay with a less angry Hitler so long as he wasn't pretending to be Napoleon, which that animation you speak of just SCREAMS NAPOLEON... you and I are obviously on different pages on Hitler impersonating a hands-in-shirt, pompous chin in the air Napoleon-acting Hitler... Okay... leave him impersonating Napoleon, I can only voice my opinion.


Wolf, that is the furious animation. All the other animations, he just looks from side to side, or even stares at you.
Well that would probably explain what Elohim did then...


Look, I can only do so much, and I'm frankly tired of trying to fix everything according to your specifications :lol: I've spent far too long on this one leaderhead already. So, I'm pleased with it, and I'm not going to edit it any more unless there is some terrible bug in it.
If the only kind of feedback you want is positive, everything is great, don't change a thing :goodjob: kind-of feedback, then you need to state-so in your first post.

I apologize for actually trying to improve your LH by thinking that there might be animations better suited to Hitler's personality then doing blatant Napoleon impersonations.

Most of your feedback comes from people looking at a screen shot and going "looks good", I attempted to take the extra step of checking all aspects and providing feedback on something beyond a still-shot. I wasn't the only person who mentioned animations, and in fact the only people that mentioned animations kept saying they weren't happy with "happy" Hitler.

Whatever... the model is done... it's fine :goodjob:

I'll avoid providing feedback on models in the future... one feedback per model is all that is permitted... good-enough will do... who wants them as good as they can be anyways? Let him impersonate Napoleon with his hand in his shirt and smiling big... yeah, that's so Hitler.

Moving on... :crazyeye:

Well, if that's the greeting animation, I've never noticed Hitler continually sticking his hand in his shirt like Napoleon always did and pompously jutting his head in the air like a stuck-up pig. Maybe you like Hitler doing his best Napoleon impersonation, but frankly, sticking his hand in his shirt and pretending to be Napoleon is a lot worse then Hitler scowling at you... obviously you and I have different opinions on typical Hitler mannerisms... I'd be okay with a less angry Hitler so long as he wasn't pretending to be Napoleon, which that animation you speak of just SCREAMS NAPOLEON... you and I are obviously on different pages on Hitler impersonating a hands-in-shirt, pompous chin in the air Napoleon-acting Hitler... Okay... leave him impersonating Napoleon, I can only voice my opinion.:rolleyes:Well that would probably explain what Elohim did then...Well, that's the same as what I did.If the only kind of feedback you want is positive, everything is great, don't change a thing :goodjob: kind-of feedback, then you need to state-so in your first post.

I apologize for actually trying to improve your LH by thinking that there might be animations better suited to Hitler's personality then doing blatant Napoleon impersonations.

Most of your feedback comes from people looking at a screen shot and going "looks good", I attempted to take the extra step of checking all aspects and providing feedback on something beyond a still-shot. I wasn't the only person who mentioned animations, and in fact the only people that mentioned animations kept saying they weren't happy with "happy" Hitler.

Whatever... the model is done... it's fine :goodjob:

I'll avoid providing feedback on models in the future... one feedback per model is all that is permitted... good-enough will do... who wants them as good as they can be anyways? Let him impersonate Napoleon with his hand in his shirt and smiling big... yeah, that's so Hitler. Look, the world doesn't revolve around you. I have better things to do than attempt to make this suit your needs perfectly. I've done my best, and I'm going to leave it as is. Now please, stop posting the same complaints repeatedly in this thread. If you're that bothered, ask Refar or somebody to create some cool new Hitler specific animations. I want to do something else now. Sorry if that's so terrible.

In other news, I'm working on Vespasian :goodjob:

@Wolfshanze...stop being so picky, he said it was a work in project.

First of all, everybody be friends! :)

If the animations are the problem, you already fixed it on your end Wolfshanze...No need get so Picky. I can tell you miss dutchking don't you Wolf? :mischief:

You either want feedback or you don't. This wasn't about the world revolving around me, if it was, I would have just fixed it FOR ME, and not bothered to tell anyone else about my findings/observations.

Some people appreciate getting feedback until the unit is as good as it can be... whether that's one feedback or multiple... it's clear NikNaks doesn't want feedback unless it's slap on the back stuff. I was trying to help make this model the best for all, and I got the usual "this is all about you" crap that I get everywhere... so fine... I'll STFU since you guys want nothing but happy-go-lucky slaps on the back and high-fives. The world doesn't revolve around me and you guys are fine with half-attempts at fixes. Quantity before quality... move on to the next project, I won't offer anymore feedback, because it's all about me, right?

You either want feedback or you don't. This wasn't about the world revolving around me, if it was, I would have just fixed it FOR ME, and not bothered to tell anyone else about my findings/observations.

Some people appreciate getting feedback until the unit is as good as it can be... whether that's one feedback or multiple... it's clear NikNaks doesn't want feedback unless it's slap on the back stuff. I was trying to help make this model the best for all, and I got the usual "this is all about you" crap that I get everywhere... so fine... I'll STFU since you guys want nothing but happy-go-lucky slaps on the back and high-fives. The world doesn't revolve around me and you guys are fine with half-attempts at fixes. Quantity before quality... move on to the next project, I won't offer anymore feedback, because it's all about me, right?Yep, glad you agree. :goodjob: Don't forget that it's always down to opinion, and in my opinion, I'm fine with "Napoleon impressions" as you call them. And if you keep getting the "this is all about you" crap, then I suggest you take a serious look at yourself and consider why you keep getting it from completely different people. And if you recall pages 1, 2 and 3 of this thread, I've taken a whole heap of criticism and I've dealt with it by improving the model. Now, I'm happy with it, and when I decide to comment on your latest opinions, you decide to get angry that I haven't changed it to suit your needs.

Now, I'm really not going to reply to you again if you post something else like this, and I think I might report you to the mods if you post something like that again. I suggest you start doing something that's a better use of both our time. :goodjob:

Okay, I've addressed those issues, and (finally) added KrugerPritz's cap

Different from post #45, the updated, pissed:thumbsup:, Hitler's hat looks like:
http://img92.imageshack.us/img92/4694/blackhatao2.jpg (http://img92.imageshack.us/my.php?image=blackhatao2.jpg)

Please help:help:

I've included his skin as an option, too.

What's the difference between them? I tried them both but they look the same (Hitler & Hitler0)

What, again? Ok, it's an easy fix. Give me a few minutes.

Great.

I edited my last post re: the skins

Fixed. :) Please re-download.

With regards to that, I didn't mean to include Hitler0.nif. Look for the alternate Stalin texture and rename it.

Thanks. He's now ready for business!! :mischief::mad::nuke:

niknaks,

could you post a couple of your hitler blends? I'd like to see some things :)

I don't actually save blends, I tend to keep exporting and testing my files as nifs. I could post a couple of those if you like.

:eek: I'll just work with the dl then. I usually save blends before major alterations so I have a good backup.

Nice work! I've been thinking about doing the same thing myself, but I hate making leaderheads. :lol: The suit is a vast improvement over the painted on suit on napoleon's uniform.

Something doesn't look quite right though, does he use shaders?

Also, he looks way better without the hat, but you've solved that by uploading two versions. ;) I also prefer a black tie, but that's just personal preference again.

He doesn't use shaders, no. And the arm texture is a little "interesting" to say the least. Maybe that's what looks odd.

I've tried several times to install this but every time i get a red screen when selecting him and a pink square as his icon. I know I am not getting the art defines leaderheads file correct so could you please post which file goes in which of the categories (e.g. NIF, BUTTON, etc.). Thanks in advance because I like the look of the hitler and can;t wait to play it, I have set up everything else correctly, just this file!

Liking the look of Hitler, well done it's very good quality.

Ok, as much as I hate making leaderheads, I decided to make a new Hitler from scratch. The neck cutting into his shirt has been corrected, is there anything else that needs fixing?

http://img530.imageshack.us/img530/4664/adolfhitlerap2.jpg http://img530.imageshack.us/img530/2568/adolfhitler2gh2.jpg

Also, you get a cookie if you can guess which leaderhead I used as a base to make it.

Ok, as much as I hate making leaderheads, I decided to make a new Hitler from scratch. The neck cutting into his shirt has been corrected, is there anything else that needs fixing?

Also, you get a cookie if you can guess which leaderhead I used as a base to make it.
First, great effort... I can tell you put some time in this... you asked for feedback, so I'll give my constructive criticism (meant to be helpful, not anything negative).

On the looks... I dunno... something just not quite-right, but I can't put my finger on it. The lips and the eyebrows seem a bit off... both too narrow maybe? The eyebrows kinda look like those girls who shave their eyebrows off and draw them back on with a pencil. :dunno:

If I were to sum-up my first thought when looking at this version of Hitler... I'd say "baby face"... not sure how to correct it though. I know LHs are difficult to do, and this is not my forte'.

P.S.
I guess I'm not getting a cookie, cuz I have no idea who's face you used as a base... good job on that.

Hmm... I don't know who that's based on.

His head shape kinda looks like Gorby's, though.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/de/Mikhail_Gorbachev_1987.jpg

First, great effort... I can tell you put some time in this... you asked for feedback, so I'll give my constructive criticism (meant to be helpful, not anything negative).

On the looks... I dunno... something just not quite-right, but I can't put my finger on it. The lips and the eyebrows seem a bit off... both too narrow maybe? The eyebrows kinda look like those girls who shave their eyebrows off and draw them back on with a pencil. :dunno:

If I were to sum-up my first thought when looking at this version of Hitler... I'd say "baby face"... not sure how to correct it though. I know LHs are difficult to do, and this is not my forte'.

P.S.
I guess I'm not getting a cookie, cuz I have no idea who's face you used as a base... good job on that.

I think I see what you mean.. I need to furrow his brow more and adjust some of his wrinkles. It still resembles the base leaderhead slightly, so you should be able to get the cookie. :yumyum:

I think I see what you mean.. I need to furrow his brow more and adjust some of his wrinkles. It still resembles the base leaderhead slightly, so you should be able to get the cookie. :yumyum:
...Roosevelt!? The chin and oblong head shape are similar...

Cheers, LT.

Nope, not Roosevelt. :)

De Gaulle?

Is it Bismarck?

You get the cookie, The_Capo! :yumyum:

Wolfshanze I modified the wrinkles and eyebrows, although it's hard to tell:

http://img362.imageshack.us/img362/883/adolfhitler3cm8.jpg

You get the cookie, The_Capo! :yumyum:

Wolfshanze I modified the wrinkles and eyebrows, although it's hard to tell:

I think I know what is getting at me about the lips... maybe the mustache is too short... I think it should come down a little more.

Great work, Chugg! Say, can you send me the De Gaulle suit texture you're using? It'd really help my version.

Thanks for the cookie!

I think his jaw/chin is too square, but its really good. Keep in mind that I am totally incapable of doing anything like this myself.

Instead of a cookie though, maybe you could help me figure out a problem I've been having. I am making this mod for a group of guys I normally play with, actually I am using a lot of your stuff chuggi, but anyway I am adding Israel and splitting up the Natives into the Sioux and the Iroquois (because they used to be civs before and I think its retarded/lazy of them to have "Native Americans" as a civilization). Anyway I am having a great deal of difficulty getting the Iroquois Axemen to show up, I basically used the XML in the CivInfos from the Natives and replaced everything, and I want to make the Iroquois UU a "Mohawk Warrior" which is going to replace the rifleman... anyway I digress, here's the thread and I posted some of the XML from the files so if you don't mind taking a look that would be fantastic.

HERE IS THE THREAD I MADE (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?p=7315587#post7315587)

BTW sorry for hijacking this thread. Good work on Hitler though.

I think I know what is getting at me about the lips... maybe the mustache is too short... I think it should come down a little more.

I'll try that..

Great work, Chugg! Say, can you send me the De Gaulle suit texture you're using? It'd really help my version.

You may need to move it around a bit, I did a bit of UV mapping. :p (it's attached to this post).

I think you should work on getting his suit to animate properly with Napoleon's body first though, as that's a glaring issue. Oh, and the face would look a thousand times better with shaders, like in Elhoim's screenshots.


I think his jaw/chin is too square, but its really good. Keep in mind that I am totally incapable of doing anything like this myself.

...

HERE IS THE THREAD I MADE (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?p=7315587#post7315587)



I'll check out his jaw in 3dsmax, I may be able to improve it. I think I worked out your problem in the other thread, btw. :)

http://img362.imageshack.us/img362/883/adolfhitler3cm8.jpg

Pretty good, but... yeah, the moustache... (Why are we looking up his nose?)

I changed the moustache, haven't modified the jaw yet though.

Thanks for trying to help me out Chuggi, but that didn't work either. I don't get why this doesn't work. All of the other flavor units I used worked, and they were all pretty much totally new additions because I added the Civ, but I can't get their axeman to show up, that's the main problem right now. They can't even BUILD an axeman at all. It doesn't even show up in the city screen. I just can't get it. Again, sorry for hijacking your thread here a little, but I'm just hoping somebody would see this and help me out because the thread I started isn't really much help so far.

I changed the moustache, haven't modified the jaw yet though.

Better, but his face didn't get that puffy impression until later in WW II. (And the twinkle in his eye reminds me of The Great Dictator, i.e. Chaplin.)

Pretty good, but... yeah, the moustache... (Why are we looking up his nose?)

As ugly as he was IRL.

Good job. Well made leader. :goodjob:

Good work, Chuggi, looks very unique, but also so... feminine. I can't tell you why, but I think it has something to do with the eyes... BTW: did he really have blue eyes? There seem to be different sources mention two colours: blue and brown. However, they tend toward brown...

Chugginator, like your Hirohito, this is extremely well-done while somehow also seeming very simple. Wonderful work! You really ought to take a break from units to do a few more leaderheads (perhaps round off the WWII selection to make the official Chugginator Collection). Meanwhile, thank you for providing us at long last with a decent Hitler.

Good work, Chuggi, looks very unique, but also so... feminine. I can't tell you why, but I think it has something to do with the eyes... BTW: did he really have blue eyes? There seem to be different sources mention two colours: blue and brown. However, they tend toward brown...

I don't think there's any real colour photos of him but in his black and white shots they appear very light coloured:

http://www.holocaust-history.org/short-essays/hitler-480.jpg
http://www.germaniainternational.com/images/siphfrahapart17.jpg


Also, in his portraits they have mostly been painted as blue:



As a side note, do you think he would look better with a grey uniform with the black tie, or the brown uniform with the yellow tie?

http://www.bytwerk.com/gpa/images/hitler/kdr41-4.jpg
http://www.bytwerk.com/gpa/images/hitler/di39-16a.jpg


Chugginator, like your Hirohito, this is extremely well-done while somehow also seeming very simple. Wonderful work! You really ought to take a break from units to do a few more leaderheads (perhaps round off the WWII selection to make the official Chugginator Collection). Meanwhile, thank you for providing us at long last with a decent Hitler.

Thanks! :) The Chugginator Collection. :lol: I've been thinking about making a better Hirohito, my old one is looking dated now.

The brown uniform refers to his party leadership, whereas the grey refers to his capacity of army leadership (which might be more appropriate for his Leader rôle).

I know you can't see it on black/white pictures. I've actually done a search for his eye colour and I think this is the opinion of historians / people who have met him. The reason for that he was painted with blue eyes could be his own propaganda: a perfect German should have blonde hair and blue eyes, you know. So, how would this look like if the one send by the destiny, the "biggest German", (that's not my opinion, but it is the picture he paint of his own) wouldn't fit that ideal in no ways? Well, it's your LH, but I would give him brown eyes.

The brown uniform refers to his party leadership, whereas the grey refers to his capacity of army leadership (which might be more appropriate for his Leader rôle).

I attached a screenshot with a grey uniform, do you think it suits better?

I know you can't see it on black/white pictures. I've actually done a search for his eye colour and I think this is the opinion of historians / people who have met him. The reason for that he was painted with blue eyes could be his own propaganda: a perfect German should have blonde hair and blue eyes, you know. So, how would this look like if the one send by the destiny, the "biggest German", (that's not my opinion, but it is the picture he paint of his own) wouldn't fit that ideal in no ways? Well, it's your LH, but I would give him brown eyes.


You can tell with black/white pictures, they appear as lighter, usually darker around the outside, whereas brown eyes would be mostly dark. I also found some enemy propaganda which had Hitler with blue eyes, which doesn't go well with your theory. :lol:

I think if he had some little "leather-belt_sash" thing going on and an armband it would be perfect, but I'd round-out the jaw/chin area a little bit, I think his jaw looks too square, unless that's an animation thing.

And also, I'd go with brown, I think it looks better/more traditionally associated with Hitler. Plus he wasn't that great of a military leader, in fact I think he was a pretty crappy military leader.

Ok, I'll fix his jaw, make the shoulder strap and armband, and make the uniform brown and the tie yellow. Does anyone know what the medal is called that's on his tie in this picture:

http://www.usmbooks.com/images/AHprints/HitlerCoat.jpg

It appears to be an eagle, can somebody help me find a closer picture so I can model it?

I attached a screenshot with a grey uniform, do you think it suits better?

It does, though in the end it's a matter of personal taste. (His military capabilities are completely irrelevant to his being a Leader.) But his face indeed looks feminine. Would it be possible to thin his cheeks a bit?

BTW, that propaganda picture looks like a perfect example.

@ Chuggi

The name for the symbol is "Reichsadler" or "Parteiadler" I think. It depends which way the eagle's head faces. Here is a wikipedia link.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reichsadler

One suggestion: I would be sure not to make the tie too yellow, because I've seen that on other Hitler LHs and it looks really cartoony, and depending on how the leaderhead looks it works or it doesn't. In this case I'd try to make it a little more "gold" in appearance than yellow, kinda like in that propoganda poster you put up. But this is a fantastic LH so far, I mean its really good the way it is now. I think part of the reason he may look feminine, MAYBE, is his lack of any sideburn at all, I think if you made his hair drop a little before the ear he will look a little more man-like, although I can't say I totally agree with the feminine thing to begin with.

BTW: Thanks for helping me out with that Iroquois nonsense Chuggi, I got it to work, although I still have to add a UU and a UB so you'll probably hear from me again soon if I manage to screw that up too.

But his face indeed looks feminine. Would it be possible to thin his cheeks a bit?

BTW, that propaganda picture looks like a perfect example.
I agree that there's something about him that still looks "baby faced". Maybe his cheeks are too puffy...

Also, Hitler's eyes were definitely blue.

This would be a good reference-picture for a LH... for outfit and look of the face... note, he doesn't have that "baby face" look here... I'm sorry I can't explain myself better... but something with this LH is a bit off... I wish I knew how to explain it... the best I can do is offer a reference pic:

http://www.gazellebookservices.co.uk/Military/WW2/images/Psychological%20Study%20of%20Adolf%20Hitler.jpg

@ Chuggi

The name for the symbol is "Reichsadler" or "Parteiadler" I think. It depends which way the eagle's head faces. Here is a wikipedia link.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reichsadler

Thanks! :)

One suggestion: I would be sure not to make the tie too yellow, because I've seen that on other Hitler LHs and it looks really cartoony, and depending on how the leaderhead looks it works or it doesn't. In this case I'd try to make it a little more "gold" in appearance than yellow, kinda like in that propoganda poster you put up. But this is a fantastic LH so far, I mean its really good the way it is now. I think part of the reason he may look feminine, MAYBE, is his lack of any sideburn at all, I think if you made his hair drop a little before the ear he will look a little more man-like, although I can't say I totally agree with the feminine thing to begin with.

I know, that's why I went for the black tie in the first place - it looked nicer and less cartoony. But with every picture I've found with him wearing the brown uniform, he has the yellow/gold tie to go with it, so it would seem I have no choice but to make it yellow. :lol:


BTW: Thanks for helping me out with that Iroquois nonsense Chuggi, I got it to work, although I still have to add a UU and a UB so you'll probably hear from me again soon if I manage to screw that up too.

No problem! :)

I agree that there's something about him that still looks "baby faced". Maybe his cheeks are too puffy...


I'm working on it, I think it would help if I lowered his eyebrows a bit.

Ok, narrowed his jaw a little, changed his tie, and added the strap and armband.

Ok, narrowed his jaw a little, changed his tie, and added the strap and armband.

Why does he look happy and gay?
he is supose to look mean and pissed off at the world!
and call him your fuher
Ich Prejin Doutch!!:D
make him look like a mean bastard!

Ok, narrowed his jaw a little, changed his tie, and added the strap and armband.
Looks better, but comparing him to the picture in post #121, I still think his face is "too full"... especially around the cheeks (puffy-cheek syndrome compared to actual Hitler)... Hitler's face was a little-more gaunt/narrow, going by the portrait of Hitler above.

The eyebrows look better now, but I'm still thinking the cheeks are too full/puffy. My 2-cents. :dunno:

P.S.
He is too happy, but I'm sure if Chuggi uses all the animations, it's as simple as using an "angrier" animation for the default and/or happy faces, so that's an easy fix for the end-user.

Looks better, but comparing him to the picture in post #121, I still think his face is "too full"... especially around the cheeks (puffy-cheek syndrome compared to actual Hitler)... Hitler's face was a little-more gaunt/narrow, going by the portrait of Hitler above.

The eyebrows look better now, but I'm still thinking the cheeks are too full/puffy. My 2-cents.

I have to agree here.

looking really good chuggi, but u might consider making the eyes a little bigger, tip of nose a bit lower and mouth slightly larger and a bit lower....maybe?) also wrinkle him up a bit, darker/bigger bags under the eyes?

also, i would agree that bismark's animations r way to "jolly" for hitler....

That might be it. (Though Bismarck wasn't such a jolly fellow ether...)

Thanks for the help, I'll put those changes into effect. :) Also, out of interest I think they made Bismarck so jolly because he liked to drink (or so it says in his civlopedia entry).

Also, out of interest I think they made Bismarck so jolly because he liked to drink (or so it says in his civlopedia entry).

:confused: Right. (He never looks jolly on any of his depictions, though. So I guess the drinking bit didn't help.)

Drinking doesn't always make people jolly, sometimes it makes people something else...

Well, I hope you guys don't think anything wrong about me, but I went a bit deeper in this topic about his eyes. Most english sources say he had steelblue eyes. They are mostly citating people who met him, but how much can we trust in Göbbels or Hitlers secretary about that? That his eyes appear light on black/white photos, isn't a proof for me. It could be a light effect (caused by flashlight, something similar like the redeye effect, etc.) or he may had light brown eyes...
However, most german sources (except of nazis and those questionable sources) say he had brown eyes. It appears that there are even jokes about his "aryan eyes", although I never heard one.
I won't give much on these coloured pictures. They are painted and can be easily faked. I read that there was also a picture of him in the TIME magazine showing him with brown eyes.

Last thing I can think of are coloured movie strips showing him (I am sure I have seen them in TV, but I didn't care for his eyes then). This shouldn't be faked.

BTW: This theory about keeping the propaganda up by painting his eyes blue isn't mine, I've read it anywhere.

I just told you this to bring this topic to an end. As it is simply unclear which eye colour he had, the choice is yours.

I'm pretty sure they were blue. The only reason a lot of people think they were brown is because of the black/white photography, but if you look closer at them you can clearly tell they're a light, pale colour (like in the photos I found before). There are a lot of references stating his mother had blue eyes as well.

Also, I don't think it would be possible of him to deceive the entire German population into thinking he had blue eyes, because he made many, many public appearances.

It just doesn't make sense that so many people that knew him would lie about his eye colour. If they had respected him at all, they would have at least told the truth about what colour eyes he had. That way, they would hold some creditability and maybe get away with lying about more important details. :lol:

However - you are right about it being unclear - but it's odds on that it's blue.

This whole "he didn't have blue eyes" thing smacks of some sort of revisionist history... he had blue eyes, let's move on folks. Hitler was personally met by thousands of people, every one of them that I've heard mention eye color always said "blue"... I'm pretty sure that:

A) They weren't all lying to in some sort of massive blue-eye conspiracy.

B) Hitler didn't have a German Midget standing underneath him with a flashlight to make his eyes look blue (Hitler didn't like midgets anyways, so this theory is pretty much blown out of the water).

In fact, until this thread, in 30+ years of studying WWII, this is the first time I've ever heard anyone say Hitler didn't have blue eyes. This is almost as ridiculous as discussing if the Holocaust happened or not... the Holocaust happened, and Hitler had blue eyes... let's move-on folks.

Chuggi, press-on... each version looks better then the previous. Keep it up!


P.S.
I think the mustache needs to be wider... to the corner of his nostrils at least... see picture in post #121.

Who cares if he had blue eyes or not? That's the LAST thing he should be bothered by. Chuggi, make his eyes red just to screw with everyone.

Although I would put myself in the "blue" camp, just to make it clear.

But time for something constructive; I agree with Wolfshanze that his moustache needs to be a bit wider, but I think the main issue is that his head is too bulbous. I think if you made it thinner or made it more elongated, or made his chin less prominent (maybe lower his mouth a little) it would look much better. Other than that it looks really good, honestly I'd use it as is, but there's nothing wrong with making it a little better. Fantastic work.

Who cares if he had blue eyes or not?
Cool3a2 cares... he brought it up in the first place, and has repeatedly been questioning the blue-eyes for multiple posts... I double-checked, he's the only one in the anti-blue-eyes camp.

I've never once heard a credible discerning point on the blue-eyes thing, and I've read countless historical documents, and seen countless interviews with people who actually knew Hitler in person, and they've always, always stated he had blue eyes.

Frankly, I rack-up this Hitler had brown-eyes thing right up there with the "we never landed on the moon" and "the earth is flat" conspiracy theories.


But time for something constructive; I agree with Wolfshanze that his moustache needs to be a bit wider, but I think the main issue is that his head is too bulbous. I think if you made it thinner or made it more elongated, or made his chin less prominent (maybe lower his mouth a little) it would look much better. Other than that it looks really good, honestly I'd use it as is, but there's nothing wrong with making it a little better. Fantastic work.
Concur with this.

Wow nice one Chuggi:)- The texture looks excellent:goodjob:.

He does look rather feminine, with the circular, "bulbous" face. Moustache should go to the nostril's end. Cant wait for the update!!:mischief:

Yep his eyes were blue, but not a bright blue. More of a deep blue on the greyish side:crazyeye:. I questioned it in an earlier post and eventually found many references that blue it is. (Wolfshanze you were correct in that earlier post:):lol:)

I think the consensus is that he looks like a retired lesbian gym teacher. :lol:

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http://menwholooklikeoldlesbians.blogspot.com/

Cheers,
ripple01

Warned - Spam.

do you need any modeling work in blender? i should add the discalimer tht if you are reshapingi t in nifskope it wont import into blender

Would maybe an animation change effect the "feminine" look? I don't know if this is a stupid comment or not, I know nothing of making leaderheads.

Ok, I'm losing track of stuff I have to change.

-eyes a little bigger, tip of nose a bit lower and mouth slightly larger and a bit lower....maybe?

-Hitler's face was a little-more gaunt/narrow.

-Add Reichsadler medal to tie.

-Moustache should go to the nostril's end.

I've only got Bismark's animations to work with it so far, but the annoyed one looks good. I'm not sure what I can do about the feminine thing. :confused:

@ Ekmek - I can send you the Nif if you like, although I don't know about your chances of importing it into Blender. :( It could work if you cleared out some of the shader stuff first though.


http://menwholooklikeoldlesbians.blogspot.com/

Cheers,
ripple01

I can't see Hitler there! :lol:

Also, you insult me - why is Neil Finn there?! :cringe:

Would maybe an animation change effect the "feminine" look? I don't know if this is a stupid comment or not, I know nothing of making leaderheads.
Animations just change movement and expressions, not the actual model itself.


I've only got Bismark's animations to work with it so far, but the annoyed one looks good. I'm not sure what I can do about the feminine thing. :confused:
Essentially, follow the suggestions...

The cheeks are too puffy and/or the face is too round... if you narrow/lengthen the face or make the cheeks more gaunt, that should go a long way in reducing the "feminine" look.

I don't think its necessary that he look overtly angry anyway, he smiled alot aroudn Moussolini... what do you think THAT was about? Maybe a little assenpounden... :confused:

I agree, when I was looking for proof of his blue eyes I stumbled on a website with an account of Hitler by Goebbels, and it had about 10 happy photos of Hitler - playing with his dog, laughing with kids, talking to fans. :lol:

When do you think you'll be done with the LH Chuggi?

I am not trying to rush you but I am working on this mod for the Diplomacy Games CivGroup at Apolyton and I've included a lot of extra leaders (I think like thirty so far), seven extra religions (although you can only have seven total in a given game), inquisitors, superspies, I added Israel, and split the Native Americans into the Sioux and Iroquois (to bring back some civs from II and III), flavor units for each country, and your improved graphics actually. I really like this Hitler LH and I wanted to add him to Germany because that's one of the few countries that I didn't add leaders to (Greece, Persia, England, France, and Mongolia are the others) and I want to add him.

I like some of the stuff you guys are doing here at CivFanatics, I registered like seven years ago and totally forgot to come back here and now I got into modpacks and stuff so I really appreciate a lot of the stuff you guys do here, and the help a lot of you guys have given me.

Anyway, I'm almost finished with the mod I just have a few little bugs I have to "kill" and then it'll be ready to go. Its made for SP too so I guess I'll upload it here, but there's not really anything original in it that I did, I just kinda combined a bunch of other people's stuff and it isn't really much of a departure from the normal game.

Never rush the Chugg...



http://th106.photobucket.com/albums/m252/RiverIsMyGoddess/icons/th_smiley_signspanishinquisition.gif

I wasn't rushing him, I was basically asking if it was worth waiting to release my mod to the Diplogamers or if I should just release it when its finished. I know it should be easy just to put in one leader but these people aren't the smartest guys around, so even something as simple as adding a leader becomes an entire debacle to them, that's all.

I would never rush anyone, despite my hopes. ;)

@ Ekmek - I can send you the Nif if you like, although I don't know about your chances of importing it into Blender. :( It could work if you cleared out some of the shader stuff first though.


post or send it and I'll give it a shot!

I wasn't rushing him, I was basically asking if it was worth waiting to release my mod to the Diplogamers or if I should just release it when its finished. I know it should be easy just to put in one leader but these people aren't the smartest guys around, so even something as simple as adding a leader becomes an entire debacle to them, that's all.

I would never rush anyone, despite my hopes. ;)
There's a couple of other pretty good Hitlers out there... use one of them as a placeholder until Chugg finishes polishing-up this one.

Then you'll already have Hitler in the game, and you can swap out the "look" later-on.

Way ahead of you Wolfie. ;)

I think I'll wait for this to come out before releasing the mod to the kids. The other Hitlers look like Napoleon and I already have Franco (who looks like Napoleon) in the mod so I don't want to go too far. Although I am thinking of replacing Franco with Simon Bolivar from Colonization and calling him Philip II/Felipe II. Anyway I'm just excited for this leaderhead, it looks really good.

chuggi,

have you tried the npoleon.nif with augustus caesar's animations? according to the LH.xls that ambriox and refar contributed to its supposed to work. since you modified the napoleon.nif in nifskope i wonder if your works with that.

I think I'll wait for this to come out before releasing the mod to the kids. The other Hitlers look like Napoleon
Not true... one of the Hitlers looks like FDR with a funny mustache.

He didn't have blue eyes people, he had brown. Proof is between 1:10 and 1:20 in this COLOR video of Hitler:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WePTBgi9rXs

He didn't have blue eyes people, he had brown. Proof is between 1:10 and 1:20 in this COLOR video of Hitler:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WePTBgi9rXs
Oh good Lord... :rolleyes:

Yeah, and the thousands who personally knew and met Hitler in-person all lied, we didn't land on the moon and 9/11 was a government conspiracy.

Some people just have to revise actual factual history because they're really bored and just want to believe in every conspiracy theory they here. :rolleyes:

You want to argue with a video because you don't want to admit you're wrong. I just shown you proof. Do you wish me to believe the Nazi's doctored the video to throw us off thinking that he actually had blue eyes but made us want to think he had brown so that the Nazis can watch us argue from their age-proof bunker on the internet?

Then you go ahead and throw in grandiose conspiracies that have nothing to do with the situation in an attempt to better seat your argument.


:thumbsup:


I have shown you his eye color. It's right there.

he's looking good Chuggi!

@ Sudoku - I still think his eyes were blue. Videos and photos aren't always proof, although they can convince people.

@ The Capo - Give me a week and I can perfect it. :p

@ Ekmek - I sent you a link to what I have so far (same as the last screenshot, I think). Also, this guys based off Bismarck (who's animations are supposed to work with Augustus' but after the modifications, it doesn't animate well with them).

@ DWOLF - Thanks :)

@ The Capo - Give me a week and I can perfect it. :p


Sounds good to me. :goodjob:

You want to argue with a video because you don't want to admit you're wrong.
I'm not going to argue with someone who can't accept the testimony of thousands of people who met him in person, what's clearly written in history books, what's all over the net (http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_was_Adolf_Hitler's_eye_color) as backing up what thousands of people who met him have stated, including ENGLISH diplomats and others (I guess they're all a part of a global conspiracy in your book) because you'd rather take one grainy, faded, color-distorted, 3-pixels equals his eyes, 70-year old video as your gospel truth over what thousands of people who knew him stated... whatever dude... you need to join the rest of the human race on accepting reality. I don't know why you feel there is a massive global, multi-national, media-publications, mass-conspiracy to lie to everyone about Hitler's eye color. Some people just have to find conspiracy in everything in life... I feel sorry for those people... sometimes the truth is just that... the truth. He had blue eyes... get over it.

You're living in your own Private Idaho if you can't accept that... why does it bother you so much?

Brown eyes, blue eyes....doesn't really matter. Let's just move on, m'kay?

Personally, I'd go with the blue myself.

@ Ekmek - I can send you the Nif if you like, although I don't know about your chances of importing it into Blender. :( It could work if you cleared out some of the shader stuff first though.



I had to remove the jacket and the tie but was able to get everything else to import into blender (jacket and tie can be added later)

I'll see if I can work on something but I, uh, I have this thing called colonization on my computer that I'm deep in at the moment...;)

Dude can you please create some Storm troopers SS elite for hitlers armys maybe some tiger tanks panzer tanks and some V2 rockets.

Wrong thread, dude. But you might wanna check out MaxRigaMod BTS3 (just out) or Merged Mod.;)

Ok, narrowed his jaw a little, changed his tie, and added the strap and armband.
http://forums.civfanatics.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=190682&d=1223329433 http://www.gazellebookservices.co.uk/Military/WW2/images/Psychological%20Study%20of%20Adolf%20Hitler.jpg

Finish me please? Chuggi?

I tried putting chuggi's model on augustus's skeleton (didn't try animations) and it narrowed the head. but had other problems (face distortion etc)

How about Chuggi's Hitler below the neck (suit) on an existing Hitler face (Elhoim/NikNak)?

But Chuggi's also has the best Hitler hair out of the existing attempts, and you'd lose that if you switch heads. I say let him finish it up himself; it's already the best-looking version even if it isn't perfect.

But Chuggi's also has the best Hitler hair out of the existing attempts, and you'd lose that if you switch heads. I say let him finish it up himself; it's already the best-looking version even if it isn't perfect.
I want Chuggi to finish, that's why I asked.

Thing-is, the suit is PERFECT... the head... well, the hair may be nice, but frankly there's something about the face that screams "Jim Henson's Muppet-Baby Hitler" or something... hard to put a finger on it, but Hitler just seems a little too cute/cuddly right now, and I'd rather stick with an older version then get a cuddly Hitler.

But Chuggi's also has the best Hitler hair out of the existing attempts, and you'd lose that if you switch heads. I say let him finish it up himself; it's already the best-looking version even if it isn't perfect.

the hair is a separate object. I guess if you guys want a quicky I could probably add the suit and hair to the hitler based on fdr...

the hair is a separate object. I guess if you guys want a quicky I could probably add the suit and hair to the hitler based on fdr...
Ewwwh... I hate the Hitler based on FDR. It looks like... well... a Hitler based on FDR. Of course, if you could make it look more like Hitler (and ditch the hat).

I want Chuggi to finish, that's why I asked.

Thing-is, the suit is PERFECT... the head... well, the hair may be nice, but frankly there's something about the face that screams "Jim Henson's Muppet-Baby Hitler" or something... hard to put a finger on it, but Hitler just seems a little too cute/cuddly right now, and I'd rather stick with an older version then get a cuddly Hitler.

I wouldn't say its cute and cuddly.

I think the other Hitlers, while they are good and much better than anything I seem to be able to pull off so far in my attempt at making a leaderhead, are not nearly as good as this one. The other ones look exactly like someone just threw a Hitler costume on Napoleon or on FDR, but this one looks unique. Maybe it isn't perfect, but I still agree with Vrenir that it is the best out there right now, even unfinished.

But I can also see what you are saying; his "disposition" (I guess that would be the correct term in this case) doesn't seem very Hitleresque, I think if the top portion of his head was smaller/thinner he'd look more like his image, just by looking at it. But I'd use it as is personally.

Ewwwh... I hate the Hitler based on FDR. It looks like... well... a Hitler based on FDR. Of course, if you could make it look more like Hitler (and ditch the hat).

that may take more work. I still mant it to some way use augustus's animations (pacal's would be cool too but thats pretty much impossible). The thing I don't like about the napoleon based ones is that the nose is off and the texture looks weird. The fdr one I think had a great skin texture but the animations made it so un-hitler.

if you don't want an fdr hitler than I guess we should way on chuggi then.

What I want is a Hitler-Hitler. I don't want an FDR Hitler or a Napoleon Hitler. Ekmek, you're good at making LHs look like nothing you base it on (I still don't know the base models that half your work is based on). Meiji doesn't look like anyone but Meiji, Franz Josef doesn't look like anyone but Franz Josef, Mussolini? Great stuff!... etc, etc.

Now Chuggi... he's damn good... and I'm sure, given the time, Chuggi can/will make a top-notch Hitler, and this one is "on the way"... problem-is, I (personally) don't think it's there yet, but I do have confidence that Chuggi can make it that way... my only problem with Chuggi is that he (obviously) has a "real" life... his time that he's able to commit to here is spotty at best, and often-times near non-existant. That's not Chuggi's fault, nor do I fault him for having higher priorities in life then a game (certainly nothing wrong with that)... but for those of us waiting for the "perfect Hitler"... well... it either leaves us as the mercy of Chuggi's busy personal life, or at the hands of FDR/Napoleon looking Hitlers... I still think this Hitler by Chuggi as-is, still needs more work on the face... it's either too chubby or too shiny or too effeminate... not sure what to say, but it's "off"... unique, yes... doesn't look like FDR or Napoleon, but it doesn't look like Hitler either IMHO.

In a nutshell, I have confidence that Chuggi could pull-off the perfect Hitler as he's very talented... but his track record of finishing projects before the polar ice caps melt is not really great. Nothing personal, and I surely understand why, but it is what it is. Chuggi is a great talent, but he's an "overbooked" one.

Everybody has different tastes... I kinda like Elhoim's/NikNak's Hitlers, Napoleonesque as they may be, they're better then the FDR Hitler or the "cute" Hitler (it's unfinished anyways, so let's realize it just ain't done). Technically, the FDR Hitler was well-done, but to me it's just FDR with a funny mustache and Stalin's hat.

I still search the world for the "Perfect Hitler LH"... it doesn't exist yet, and that includes the not-yet-finished work of Chuggi, as well as the Napoleon and FDR-based Hitlers... someone needs to start (and finish) a proper Hitler that looks like Hitler, and isn't too cute either! For now, I think the closest ones are the Elhoim/NikNak Hitlers... the animations work well too... surely there are bits and pieces of other Hitlers that are done better, but overall there's not a "perfect" Hitler out there yet.

I know what you are saying. I think the "perfect" hitler may be hard to pull off. I guess I haven't been "inspired' to really work one because to really pull it off there are some elements missing like head shaping etc. that I cant figure out.

For other leaders like Franz, someone mentioned the San Martin chops and then the Julius face and saladin animations really pulled it off. Thats how I got fired up and finished him off.

Some leaderheads that I cant figure out how to pull off languish in my "blender purgatory." Reagan was there but is out thankfully to bernie14. Ataturk has been there for awhile but I might be getting somewhere. Meanwhile a new Cleopatra, Juarez, a better Alexander the Great, Chiang Kaishek, Gustavus Adolphus, a female viking/valkyrie, Gaddafi, Nasser, and Olympias are stinking up the place :(

Does anybody have the files for Chuggi's Hitler by the way?

I think most of the problem revolves around the lips. They are a little to pink and curve up at the ends instead of down. Thats what gives him that charub look. Might also help to thin the head out a little if thats possible, but if the lips were darkened a little and pulled down at the ends it would look alot less feminen.

I think most of the problem revolves around the lips. They are a little to pink and curve up at the ends instead of down. Thats what gives him that charub look. Might also help to thin the head out a little if thats possible, but if the lips were darkened a little and pulled down at the ends it would look alot less feminen.
Good observation... also, I think the cheeks may be a bit too "puffy", and the jawline is too round/soft... he should be given a more angular jar line like in the picture/painting. I still think the mustache needs a little work too.

I like it personally, however I think it would be helpful if we could "see it in action" so to speak, which is why I asked for the files. I find that, often times at least, you get a better grasp of what it looks like when you see it in motion.

Chuggi, if you visit this could you post the Hitler LH as is?