Download this scenario. (http://www.straland.com/junk/Now.zip)

Last scenario update: August 18, 2002
Last readme update: October 1, 2002

It's finished and playable!
Here's the thread while making the scenario. (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=27853)

http://www.straland.com/junk/NowMap.gif

And here's the readme:

Now

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Scenario made by Maarten "Matrix" Lensink.
Email: matrix@civfanatics.net

Requires version 1.29f of Civilization III

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How to start with a different Civilization: see below!

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This scenario is based on the world map already made by Zach Wilson.
Perfected by Kal-Els.

As I speak, there are 192 countries in the world.
Dividing them into a number which playable for Civ3 is a tough job therefore. Some countries which just separated from their big neighbour are here back together again. Some big ancient old enemies are in the same "Civilization" now. Though some of you might see that as an error or perhaps even an insult, it is inevitable. What I wanted to achieve was to modelate the current status of this world. This isn't characterized by small wars between countries of which we could care less (although we should), but by a near worldwide peace.

I was disappointed when I noticed that the editor of Civ3 does not give the opportunity (yet) to set up relations between different Civilizations. However, I was happily surprised that (in the beginning) no one would dare to go to war with anyone else, and that's just what I wanted to set up, so no big deal. Only America and Arabia might have war now in Civ-terms, but the rest is all piece and tranquility anyway.

Nevertheless, it's most fun to start with Africa on a difficulty lower than you're used and then rule the world!

One last thing: do *not* learn your topography with this scenario. It's very inaccurate, but I didn't want to use the name Kamalazoo when Detroit is only 250 km away. (Which is only an example. There are much worse cases.)

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How to start with a different Civilization:

Start the Civ3 editor (Civ3Edit).
Go to "Player Properties".
Scroll the most upper drop-down menum where it says "Player 1", *not* the "Civilization" drop-down menu.
Search for the player which has the Civilization you want to play.
Click on the check-box "Human Player". It will ask you for a confirmation, click on "Yes".
Click on "Ok", save it and exit. Then start the scenario and you will start as your loving Civ.Why one has to preselect your wanting Civ with the editor and not when starting the scenario:
Because both money and technology is designated to a specific player and not a Civilization. It was possible to make it so that one could choose the Civ when starting the scenario, but then you'll always start with the same amount of money and technology, which makes the scenario highly inaccurate. Africa isn't quite as far as America, unfortunately.

Finally: I'm sorry it takes so long to load the scenario, but again that's out of my hands. But I'm quite confident there will come another patch for Civ3 some day to eliminate this tedious waiting.

Have fun!!
Matrix

Added: I wish to send this scenario to Firaxis, therefore I wish some people to test it. I think you won't be bored...once the scenario is loaded. :rolleyes:

Took a look at it, i've not played it yet.

It's Copenhagen in english not Kopenhagen, in Danish it's København. But you should call it Copenhagen.

And 'Venetia' should be called Venezia.

Is it Dutch names?

Maybe Manchester should be renamed Edinbough?

Well, I've used a Dutch atlas. :rolleyes: I know most cities in English too and that Russian names are different in Dutch than in English: an "u" in English is "oe" in Dutch (same pronounciation of course) (Moermansk=Murmansk; Irkoetsk=Irkutsk).

But thanks for the tips. ;)

:eek: HOLY SMOKES this took me a long time to load but hell it was worth it:goodjob: I think I could fix yer problem for u Ill check in if I can solve it;)

Sounds very promising Matrix :) I think I'll have a go at it tomorrow and perhaps do some extensive playtesting since I've nothing else to do these days.

Fun so far! Keep it up. =)

Great scenario.

However, I have a gripe with the way Russia is presented. First off, Russia has A LOT of tanks(mostly defensive) and this is not shown here. Also, they have many tactical nukes and ICBMs in their arsenal(I say about 3 per of each for each city, in Civ terms.)
Furthermore, Russia doesn't have only 25 million people; some of the cities, I feel, should be expanded, population-wise.

Otherwise, great scenario. :)

I think with Korea, Japan should control Seoul and China should control Pyongyang. I also think Isreal should be independent, it would make it more interesting.

Great scenario, two thumbs up!

Edit: One more thing, if you are going to make Isreal part of america, i think Kuweit should too.

Edit: One more thing, if you are going to make Isreal part of america, i think Kuweit should too.


Israel is a much stronger ally, for more than a few reason.
For example, Israel has a lobby and there's also a population and inner-states connections.

In case of a total war for example, Israel is more than likely to stand with USA and Kuweit is still a target for pressure from It's population and neighbooring regimes.

Took a little over an hour to load ( :) )but man....its great! :goodjob: :)

Kudos for knowing that there is a St. John and a St. John's. Technically it is spelled Saint John instead of St. but hey I'm just glad my town made the world map! :D

Two suggestions:
Make Khartoum (Sudan) and Port Sudan part of Arabia. (Sudan has been in a civil war for a while witht he fundamental Islamists winning and the Christian South losing. A cease fire was just signed but the country is still Islamic and a haven for terrorism including Osama bin Laden at one point.)
Move Cairo one square SE to allow for a Suez canal. (Yeah only Arabia can use it, but it makes that city more important. Kind of like San Jose in Panama.)

Also hopefully by submitting the scenario to Firaxis they might speed up the loading process.

Originally posted by Daaraa
Two suggestions:
Make Khartoum (Sudan) and Port Sudan part of Arabia. (Sudan has been in a civil war for a while witht he fundamental Islamists winning and the Christian South losing. A cease fire was just signed but the country is still Islamic and a haven for terrorism including Osama bin Laden at one point.)
Move Cairo one square SE to allow for a Suez canal. (Yeah only Arabia can use it, but it makes that city more important. Kind of like San Jose in Panama.)
Good suggestions! :) I'll change that.

Russia will get more tanks and nukes as well.

This szenario is my favourite!

Great to hear that! :D

I hope Firaxis will like it as well... I sent it in wednesday and sent a updated version this morning. Let's hope they add it to PTW. :)

Nice job, I was only able to choose Europe as my playable civ, not that I am complaining, but if that is the way it is designed, then you should release it as a saved game that way we the players would not have to wait the 45 minutes or so for the scenario to configure (FIRAXIS please fix!!).

My WWII scenario I am working on takes a long time to load also, so I have been thinking of ways to cut down on the time it takes to load.

Very good scenario BTW. It has great potential to become one of the best in my opinion. All we need now is more user made units and to customize the Unique units for each civilization.

Pap

You should read the readme, pap1723. ;) Upper post.

I guess I figured I should have read that, must be why they are included and called README's. :)

Have you considered putting unique units in?

If you are, I would like to help you, I know a lot about the current situations in the world, so I would be willing to help.

Let me know if you are considering it, and if you would like help.

Pap

I started a game as South East Asia.When I met the Chinese,Russians,Indians,and Australians I signed a mutual protection pact with them.Then,i bought oil,aluminum,rubber,and incense from the Russians.About 20 turns later I had my first 2 ICBM's.

I am now keeping my alliances and loading my 10 transports with modern armor and mech infantry to invade Japan. :)



And even though it takes forever to load,I think this the best scenario on these boards. :goodjob:

can somone uplad this scenario to CFC, i keep getting errors when i try to download the file

My site was probably temporarily down.

no my network security settings wont allow me to download from that server fo some reason, i checked your site andit was fine. I cant change them so if you could upload it here i would really be greatful

Ok.

I don't played it at the moment, but it looks nice in a first view. I think it great. :goodjob:

Two very small things that might be changed are:

1. Middle AMerica should be Central America.
2. Arabians should be just Arabs.

These are not really wrong or anything, they don'y have to be changed, I just threw them out there in case.

I don't understand why Australia is there but not Canada. Canada is part of the 8 most industrialized countries of the world.

It would be cool because we could do scenario of Canada attacking USA like in the South Park movie.

The scenario seem to be great. I am downloading it. :goodjob:

I don't understand why Australia is there but not Canada. Canada is part of the 8 most industrialized countries of the world.

It would be cool because we could do scenario of Canada attacking USA like in the South Park movie.

The scenario seem to be great. I am downloading it


Canada is very close to the United States and doesn't have much of a military influence.

Australia has it's own continent! hehe

I agree that Austalia isn't more important thatn Canada, but you have to remember that the number of civs is not endless...

And I think it's better to include Canada in North America, and making Australia oceanic..

Looks fun but i dont think it does what u want it to. Not very realistic, and its not inevitable countries will be together. NO WAY! No one can predict the future, things happen that change everything. U wanna know what? It would have been a better idea for a realistic world to set the countries by alliances like Nato etc , there are African ones aswell etc. Find them out and then use it.

It aint gonna be possible to build a realistic world scenario unless there is a good diplomacy option. Maybe you can help me on a present world scenario when the new game comes out? I am impressed with most of your work. I respect the map. Great work.

Remember always make Britain its real size on a world map and not almost bigger than India.

Well anyways.
ok then
cya then

Hey, I just used a map that looked best in my opinion. But anyway, it's more important that countries' powers are balanced than the fysical geographic things are in order. Like Japan: I made it bigger than it is and still they are actually too weak.

Anyway, I'm very disappointed that I couldn't set up the diplomacy in this scenario, but that's just tough luck.

I've changed Arabians to Arabs. I didn't know about Central America instead of Middle America. I'll change that (based on the fact that your English is most likely better than mine. :o).

You know what? You could say that European countries like France, Britain and France are too weak to independent on this game, or Japan. Well Japan is just behind the USA in military spending. Uknow what would make it better? Giving countries like Russia more troops but conscripts and Japan etc more elite troops and up to date equipment.

Well we will have to wait and see if the next civ will have diplomacy. Uknow what? I would love to work on a Korean war scenario when the world was at the brink hehe. Anyways
ok then
cya then

Japan is not weak! the Type 90 is the 3rd rated MBT in the world (behind the the German Lepord 2 and the American M1A2) they dont have the massive forces that there neighbors china and russia have but there highly sophisticated forces I agree with Impereza u should make them elite but in less quantity but they shouldnt be weak.

Does it take a long time to load after you have installed it cause mine goes very slow?

Yes, loading the scenario takes very long time. :(

Making the Japanese troops elite might not be such a bad idea. And I also think I'll make some/all Russian tanks regular. They don't have such a good quality army after all. ;)

yes yes Russia is not what it once was :( . The only civ I fear in your scenario are the Europeans and the Americans :skull:. Try playing The Middle Easterners and ull se why ;)

Looks good, I'm going to download it soon. The problem with doing modern (20th century) scenerios is mainly nukes, I think. The fact that ICBMs can hit anywhere in the world is grossly unrealistic---an ICBM in Russia can't hit south america!!! and I think that the tactical nukes have too small of a range. What the game needs is tacitcal nukes, MRBMs (medium range ballistic missiles), and ICBMs. For example, an MRBM in mexico could hit most of the US, and an ICBM in north korea could hit the western US (I think). The fact that ICBMs have unliminted range can really tip the scales in Civ world power---a tiny country all the way across the map with twenty ICBMs in Civ could cripple the US's military and economy---NOT realistic.

Sorry for ranting, I'm going to download it now, be back in about 2 hours---if your not exaggerating on the load time:cry:

I agrre with cgannon64,nukes tip the scale too much and are unrealistic.On my Present Times scenario,I will either edit out nukes (ICBM's) or shorten their range.


A few more suggestions.

1.I would add Australia too either Europe or North America if your going for accuracy,if not,it's fine.

2.You could rename Australia to Oceania.

3.Put a few barbarian camps near Israel to represent the palestian liberation front and maybe a few barabarians in Colombia.

4.Change China's color to red.:p

Well, I'm back. *Note* 80 of those 100 minutes were loading time! :eek: Yikes!*Note* And I love it! Congrats, you made my new favorite scenerio (beat out WW2: Europe Front for the coveted spot. I must say, you really did a good job.

I know you said don't comment on geography, but Ireland is connected to England! Is that an accident? Won't affect gameplay too much (or at all), so I wouldn't worry about it.

I'm being Europe, and a pacifist, although I have MPPs with NA and Russia. I'm just waiting for WW3 to break out---I'll be taking bets on who and where it starts. It's inevitable, with the map filled up and everyone MPPing. My bet: Arabs invade Jerusalem. I would---its an ugly hole in their territory.

Anyways, I love it! Hope it makes PTW!

2 questions...


One, are there custom units?

Two, what is custom in this?

My first WW started with Africa going to war against Russia. :confused:

The Arabs had an MPP with Russia so that changed the front lines.
But Europe had an MPP with Africa. :crazyeyes: I was NA and I had an MPP with Europe.
Central America had an MPP with Latin America who had one with Austrailia.
Austrailia also had an MPP with India who went to war against the Africans.

So you had

Europe, NA, Africans vs. Russia, Arabs, India, Central and South America and Austrialia.

I destroyed all of Central America (well, "liberated" it:) ) and the Northern bit of South America.

Europe took Iraq.
Russia took all of Scandanavia.
India took Pakistan/Iran.
Arabs took Ethiopia and the Nigerian area down to Congo.
Middle AMerica is gone.
South America is cut in half.
Africa is now a very MINOR power.
Austrialia didn't do anything.
It was great! :)

FaIaChad - No there are no UUs

Daaraa---who were you? I'm dying for a World War to start!!! I'm Europe, MPP'd with NA and Russia, but NO ONE else has MPPs. Its so boring. I don't want to start a World War, I want it do develop naturally like yours did. When did it start? I'm in 3350 BC and there are still no MPPs (besides America and Russia, with me).

I'm quickly not liking this scenerio, as it is getting boring VERY quickly. The PTW editor needs Diplomacy!

Give it a chance cgcannon64;).I don't know what scenario your playing,but whenever I play this scenario alliances grow quickly with everybody.

Downloaded it but yet to play it. About how long is load time? Is it different for each civ? If so, how long does it take India to load.

I've the same problem, I don't finished to load it one time. But I have the same problem with some other scenarios too.

I know this might seem a little bit 'nitpicky' but I feel a need to clear things up.

In Canada on this map there are alot of probs. First I noticed that vancouver is positioned directly south of edmonton. Vancouver is a costal city on the pacific. it is also about the same size as seattle.
There is a problem with this map(where did you get it?) The rockies seem to be set too for east and they are kind of split up into two mountain ranges(which is not the way it is in RL).
Edmonton is actually a very productive city(and has 1million pop). If you drive and you live in the states or canada then there is a good chance that your gas was made in edmonton. Another note - Canada's second largest military base is there.
Toronto is larger than montreal at about 3 million people.
The size of Canadas army is somewhere around 65,000 which is not a spit in the bucket compared with the US army(around 300,000 last I checked). Big thing you would want to look into adding for canadian forces on this scen would be Helicopters and Jet fighters since air power is more or less what marks canada as an effective military power.

Sorry, I've stopped playing this scenario---it's great, but the turn lengths just really get to me...especially long boring turns of just moving ships!

I haven't played the scenario -- but if you're going to have Australia independent, at least link it with New Zealand and call it "Australasia" -- which is the common name for both the countries of Australia, New Zealand -- and surrounding island nations.

Linking both up to Europe would be acceptable if you really had to remove one civilization -- but linking it to the US would be a mistake as it is not at all historically or politically accurate.

I like Australia independant but if you had to add to another civ,I would add it to a Western Allies kind of civ (along with Canada and Taiwan).

When I try to load the scenario with my scenario editor to change starting nation, it tells me that the file version is incompatible with my editor. But I have 1.29f. Anyone can help me with this one?

Ignis, I know there are lots or inaccuracies, but I'm not a geographer. The most important thing is that the power between the different countries is divided as real as possible.

Frimlin, I hope I haven't pissed off New Sealanders, but I just think Australia would be much better known than Astralasia, even if that's technically a better name.

FacelessMan-000, your error is weird. I'm not that much of a technitian, but perhaps you can ask your problem in the Tech Support forum...

What are you talking about long loading time? I loaded it in a few seconds with a 56kbit/second modem!!!???

Wizard

It's about starting the scenario in the game, Wizard. ;)

I was think,maybe South Korea should be part of North America or Japan.I doubt either of these countries would let South Korea catipulate to Chinese rule.:tank:

I would say give both Koreas to Japan to give them more of a Pacific powerbase. I can't think of anything else right now, but I'll be sure to let you know. Great scenario!

Oooooh, I just thought of something. Did you give the each of the nations their own city lists for any new cities they want to build? I think it would be a nice touch to give them their own regional city lists for any ones not already built. Just something to think of the next time you update the scenario. Once again, great job.

Well, both Koreas would be furious if they were Japanese. :undecide: That's why I've given it to China.

And about the city names: I actually should do that, but it's so much work...

I'm really interested in playing this mod, but whenever I go into the game, it says that the version won't work with my game. Does anybody know how to fix this?:confused:

Do you have the 1.29f patch yet? If you do I don't know what the problem is.

hey matrix, do you mind if i make another scenario based on this one?

Originally posted by Matrix
Frimlin, I hope I haven't pissed off New Sealanders, but I just think Australia would be much better known than Astralasia, even if that's technically a better name.


:lol: Hee hee. You could always have made Australia part of New Zealand ;)

Originally posted by Plexus
hey matrix, do you mind if i make another scenario based on this one?
Sure, go right ahead... :)

It appeared my scenario was not included on the PTW cd.
I'm actually not surprised with all the fine work the others made there. :)...:undecide:...:(...:cry:

Matrix, I think I accidently used the same map for my scenario as you did for yours. Did you use Kal-els map?

Yes.

Okay, I'll just switch my scenario from Kal-els map to el-menceys map.:D

Hey Matrix, you could use Balou's Modern Infantry for this scenario, unless you are using it already.

yeah how bout the desert paratrooper....I forgot who made it doh :(

Oh my, what a map. I have a couple of suggestions to make the scenario more accurate, or at the very least, palatable :)

1. The Indian civ should encompass all the predominantly Indo-Aryan nations like Iran and Afghanistan. You set the precedent with Pakistan. Besides the Muslim religion (though India has the second largest Muslim population in the world), these two countries are tenously linked, in a tribal sense, with the Arabs.

2. Secondly, Israel part of America?? The two countries may share the same enemies but I disagree that they are that closely linked. Unlike Arab countries, Israel has actually actively spied on the US. Some friend. In addition, it's a bit awkward seeing this US outpost so far away. Hebrews and Arabs may hate each other now, but basically they are all Semitic peoples inheritors of a monotheistic faith.

3. Some controversy on the OZ v. Canuck designations. Possible solution: Anglosphere! Put the English-speaking countries together under one civ. Includes the British Isles, Canada, US, Australia and New Zealand.

Overall great map. I'm playing around with it in the PTW editor.

How about this for a theory?

1) Make Canada (remove from the US), Australia and New Zealand part of the English Empire AND remove mainland Europe from the English Empire and make it the EU (standing on its own).

2) Break South America into 2. Brazil and the Spanish American speaking countries since Brazil was Portugese. This would give a little more variety.

Russia seems enormous (which it really is) but China seems a little small and India seems really, really small. The 2 latter have half the world's population. I haven't downloaded it so I have to go off what I can see. But just some ideas to throw at you.

Originally posted by Bruinesian
1. The Indian civ should encompass all the predominantly Indo-Aryan nations like Iran and Afghanistan. You set the precedent with Pakistan. Besides the Muslim religion (though India has the second largest Muslim population in the world), these two countries are tenously linked, in a tribal sense, with the Arabs.
That's a good idea. :)
Originally posted by Bruinesian
2. Secondly, Israel part of America?? The two countries may share the same enemies but I disagree that they are that closely linked. Unlike Arab countries, Israel has actually actively spied on the US. Some friend. In addition, it's a bit awkward seeing this US outpost so far away. Hebrews and Arabs may hate each other now, but basically they are all Semitic peoples inheritors of a monotheistic faith.
First of all, cities so far off it's main land is quite normal when playing a Civ3 game. Secondly, what should Israël be part of then? It won't be independent!
Originally posted by Bruinesian
3. Some controversy on the OZ v. Canuck designations. Possible solution: Anglosphere! Put the English-speaking countries together under one civ. Includes the British Isles, Canada, US, Australia and New Zealand.
No, no, no... Some of these countries have nothing to do with each other. I think it's fine the way it is. :)
Originally posted by Bruinesian
Overall great map. I'm playing around with it in the PTW editor.
Thanks. But beware for the fact that I'm making a PTW scenario of it myself and don't you dare publishing it! :p

Originally posted by HomeAir
1) Make Canada (remove from the US), Australia and New Zealand part of the English Empire AND remove mainland Europe from the English Empire and make it the EU (standing on its own).
Same answer: I think it's fine as it is.
Originally posted by HomeAir
2) Break South America into 2. Brazil and the Spanish American speaking countries since Brazil was Portugese. This would give a little more variety.
That would only make them less powerful, but to what purpose?
Originally posted by HomeAir
Russia seems enormous (which it really is) but China seems a little small and India seems really, really small. The 2 latter have half the world's population. I haven't downloaded it so I have to go off what I can see. But just some ideas to throw at you.
I've thought about this as well. Please notice yourself that I've only placed irrigation around the Chinese and Indian cities to make the cities as big as possible. (Same for Mexico City, though it's not helping much.) I can't do anything more than that, as I'm simply restricted to their terrain.

Oh no!

Not another one! Crappy computer... double posts, sorry guys!

Originally posted by Matrix
I've thought about this as well. Please notice yourself that I've only placed irrigation around the Chinese and Indian cities to make the cities as big as possible. (Same for Mexico City, though it's not helping much.) I can't do anything more than that, as I'm simply restricted to their terrain.

Maybe you could add some bonus terrain, or change the local terrain to grassland.

i dont like this 1 the load is huge! 2 i play as US and it took forever to set all the citys they were making swordmen and i have to move so many units.3 why dose my civ not no alot of big techs that let me make icbms because i have them but i cant make them and why do i not have space tech.4 when the nukes went flying evertime one wood hit it wood take a long time to load.this was a huge waste of time!!!:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

I dont like this, i waited an hour and it didnt finish loading, I got really pissed off...

Well, ive just downloaded the Scenario and am just about to load it up in PTW... Wish me luck! I`ll be back here periodically with my impressions and what could be improved, etc... Middle of the night and im in a Civ playin` mood!

Originally posted by battle ship
i dont like this 1 the load is huge! 2 i play as US and it took forever to set all the citys they were making swordmen and i have to move so many units.3 why dose my civ not no alot of big techs that let me make icbms because i have them but i cant make them and why do i not have space tech.4 when the nukes went flying evertime one wood hit it wood take a long time to load.this was a huge waste of time!!!:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:
1. I wish it were different too.
2. That's just one turn.
3. If I understand your crappy English correct I believe you didn't set the Americans as the human Civ, but just removed the human Civ. Then you can start as whatever Civ you like, but always start with the money and tech of the Latin Americans.
4. "Wood" comes from a forest. "Would" is what you mean. :rolleyes:, but to answer your question: It's simple because the world is fully built. If you play a normal game on a huge map and launch a nuke then you'll get the same thing!

I'm sorry to say, but you and Lynx just got a too slow computer. For me loading the scenario takes about 10/15 minutes. (850 Mhz, 256 MB RAM)

Make Canada a separate nation. It's not exactly a tiny nation separated from it's big brother, no, it's a freaking huge chunk of(holy) land that's pretty hard to ignore.

when will this be on ptw

I know it's been like 16 months since anyone posted here, but I just thought I'd throw in my $.02

I really like this map. The scenario took like 45 minutes to load on my computer, but apparently unlike some of the above whiners, I read this thread beforehand and knew it might take a long time, so I sat down with a good book while it loaded.

It bothered me that every city started out making warriors, and that I didn't start out knowing what the world looked like, but as far as I can tell there's no way to change that in the editor, so it's more something that should be taken care of in an official patch than can be dealt with by whoever makes a scenario.

One thing you might want to suggest in the readme is that users may want to disable the space race victory before starting. Otherwise, it ends up being a pretty quick game, with half the civilizations already technologically ready to start building space ships. (I first played it at Chieftan level, and it only went to 2550 BC.)

This is great, but I'd advise creating a seperate North Korean nation as well as making Seoul part of America. Also, create a city two squares south of Los Angeles called Tijuana and make it part of Middle America. Make sure that America has no coast on the Gulf of California. Good work, this must have taken a while! :)

This looks eerily similar to the scenario that Luiz made. The thread is here: http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=30775

A few minor differences, I know. But consider this: the cities have the same units in them and improvements/wonders in them, and both scenarios have the same spelling errors. A side-by-side comparison of the two scenarios: