This is a PBEM of the Age of War scenario which is in a way meant to replace the Pre-WWI PBEM that recently ended. For those of you that don't know, Age of War begins encompassing 1900 Europe, western Russia, the Levant, and North Africa, and it lasts until 1950.

This is the order so far:

Russia: Sas
Italy:
France:
Germany: Darius
Ottoman Empire:
Great Britain:
Spain: Rhodry

Academia is going to play too I think but he hasn't chosen a civ, and we welcome anyone else that wants to play.

Spain=bestest

I will give Russia a try.

One more time, FORZA ITALIA!!!!:D

isn't germany a little unbalanced in this scenario?

Originally posted by Rhodry
isn't germany a little unbalanced in this scenario?

Hehe, take a look at how germany fared in "Another AoW Game" over at apolyton... ;)

*reads it* jesus....germany got walloped....and it was nice to see Britain get a hefty chunk too

Yep, all you have to do is balance it out with alliances.

Russia: Sas
Italy: Academia
France:
Germany: Darius
Ottoman Empire:
Great Britain:
Spain: Rhodry

We certainly can't start without France, Turkey and GB

I'll be Great Britain

Russia: Sas
Italy: Academia
France:
Germany: Darius
Ottoman Empire:
Great Britain: Sun Tzu
Spain: Rhodry

I think we can go without a Turkey, but not without a France.

I'm not sure where the scenario is located, but France in 1900 sounds interesting.

I thought this scenario was more well-known, but I guess not. This is the intro to the scenario:


The Age of War, 1900-1950

After dividing up the the rest of the world after 1850, the European states Turned once more to local rivalry. Since Waterloo, the wars had been short and relatively bloodless. The Crimean War, the Six Weeks War, and the Franco-Prussian War were bloody but brief.

England, France, and Germany, the Industrial giants, built fleets of warships and vast armies. Italy, Russia, and Austria, facing social unrest, irredentism, and flagging claims to international prestige, all sought to somehow keep pace, thereby placing undue strain on their nascent industrial economies. Every summer new international crises appeared, and the inevitability of war became increasingly clear to all the powers.

Imperialism had run its course, now the nations of Europe would become involved in the contest to determine not simply European hegemony, but world hegemony. The wars would come; the conclusion was inescapable. The only question was where would the powder keg explode and how long would the colossal contest last?


It begins in that time period and encompasses all technologies and weapons that were in use until roughly the start of the Cold War in real history, and is accepted as one of the great CivII scenarios as far as I can see.

The game:

Cool, this started fast.

Russia: Sas
Italy: Academia
France: PinkyGen
Germany: Darius
Ottoman Empire:
Great Britain: Sun Tzu
Spain: Rhodry

Screw Turkey, just get this party started sas (Russia starts in the scen).

Finally, here is the Age of War starting map, courtesy of who else but Grothgar:

i say wwe need a Turkey

All right, how long whould we wait though?

I would very much like to be Ottoman Empire, if it is still open.
Hope for a positive response.

Hi Pinkygen!!!!
Is good to see you here!!! :D
Are you going to fight Germany one more time?:p

Why what could you mean? All we sniveling frogs want is peace. :D I mean, I only border Germany, Italy, Spain, and Britain, and historically was humiliated twice.

I'm sure I can appreciate honest relations with my Italian neighbors now. :D Anyways, I know Darius as Germany is the crafty one, I followed the Pre WWI PBEM thread.

Anyone have the link to the Poly thread on this, I'd like get a feel for what happened, I've never played this scenario before.

Why what could you mean? All we sniveling frogs want is peace. I mean, I only border Germany, Italy, Spain, and Britain, and historically was humiliated twice.

Well, remember French defeat in the last Franco-Prussian War...
maybe you´d like to take revenge...

I'm sure I can appreciate honest relations with my Italian neighbors now. Anyways, I know Darius as Germany is the crafty one, I followed the Pre WWI PBEM thread.

Really? Personally, i didn´t like the unlimited railway movement. Anyway, it was a tough game.
Well, this time Darius and I are allies... Be careful ;)


I've never played this scenario before.
Neither do I.
Darius proposed it; he said it was worthy to play. I trust him :rolleyes:

Wow, it just seemed to me this was one of the great scenarios. I saw the two threads at Apolyton and also Henrik and FMK's comments here about it on another thread and just thought it was some sort of common knowledge. :o Anyhow, IMHO it is the European scenario. :D

Russia: Sas
Italy: Academia
France: PinkyGen
Germany: Darius
Ottoman Empire: Knish
Great Britain: Sun Tzu
Spain: Rhodry

Good to go, sas!

BTW Pinkygen here are the links to the first (http://apolyton.net/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=21363) and second (http://apolyton.net/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=39685) Age of War PBEMs at Apolyton.

However they have become unreadably long, so to sum it up in the first one, Andersen's France isolated itself diplomatically, which resulted in all the major powers invading it. Later on an autonomous nation named Yugoslavia was created, which roughly resembled the Austro-Hungarian hald of the Central European Union.

In the second, El Awrence's Germany didn't manage to make any reliable alliances and was conquered by Britain, France, and Russia. A small autonomous Austrian state was put in place but was quickly devoured by Russia. Now there is talk of a return to German autonomy.

OH GOD!!!!!!
One more time, unlimited railway movement!!!1
:cry: :D :cry:

Well, let´s experience the "Darius strategies" once again :rolleyes:

Darius:
Are you going to build 50 engineers and then use your 10 cavalry and 10 cannons to conquer Europe?;)

I mean, are we going to experience the same "kind of war" that took place in the last Pre-WW1 History?

Look closer. I knew the difference was that the military units here do not have the same ridiculous capabilities here as they did in "History". Artillery units do not have movements of 2 but 1, and furthermore they are generally weaker. Meanwhile, the cavalry (movements of 2, not 3) are so weak that they are the same strength as conscripts; i.e. cavalry in this scenario are only mobile infantry, not infantry routers.

Just try it a while. While one History artillery unit can kill two conscript divisions per turn without damage, one Age of War artillery unit can kill one per turn due to its movement, and it would be damaged at that.

And finally, there is the fact that in the game we begin with very little forces, so our success will depend on what we build, while in the History PBEM I only used the units I began with (I literally only built two units throughout the entire war :lol: ).

All in all this is the same context with more realism.

This game is lots of fun, in the first AoW PBEM at poly i play Turkey and well its fun even though i'm just building up the nation. I'm gonna have some fun as Britain :)

It's gonna be fun to se how different things work out. And I think I am gonna learn very much from this game. Coz I aint so very hardcore has many other peeps at the forum is, not yeat at least. =)

Originally posted by Darius


However they have become unreadably long, so to sum it up in the first one, Andersen's France isolated itself diplomatically, which resulted in all the major powers invading it.

This France wishes to remain friendly with all of Europe, and be everyone's best buddy. ;) No outrageous accents here. :D

I am also very friendly of nature, I seek peace and prosperity to all, heh :P

Well guys, shall we begin?

BTW for those of you who aren't familiar with the scenario, here are just some of the many possibilities.

The German invasion of Belgium and the formation of the Western Front in WWI:

A blunderous British amphibious attack in the Dardanelles, about to find that a counterattack will soon destroy their beachead:

The Nazi Blitzkrieg on Poland:

Have Sas started now?? Just wondering, :-)

And last but not least, the Battle of Britain:

Lets get started!

On the morning June 3rd, Kaiser Wilhelm awoke in a cold sweat after a horrible nightmare. He had dreamt that after 14 long years of militaristic arms buildups, an accidental war brooke out with Germany and Austria-Hungary against France, Britain, and Russia (Italy as well after a year). British blockades and horrific losses of millions and millions on static trench fronts devastated Germany, and soon his dynasty would be overthrown and a humiliating surrender would be signed that would cripple Germany for years to come.

Then he saw an evil madman in the early thirties seizing power in the Fatherland by playing on its humiliation and hatred. He brought on a new war which killed innumerably more people on all sides, and furthermore he killed off over 11 million Jews and enemies of the state in hellish factories of death. After six years of war of unprecedented brutality, Allied armies and air forces reduced the entire Third Reich to rubble, and divided it to keep it weak.

All in all the death and destruction of the next 45 years that Wilhelm envisioned horrified him, and convinced him to lead Germany down a different path that would not lead to its destruction in two wars.

His first action will be to restructure the German government to give almost all of the power back to the people of his beloved nation, after being convinced of democratic rule by the horrid tyranny of the "Hitler" he witnessed. He knew that this modern stance would gain the good graces of France and Great Britain.

Before this he offered an alliance to Great Britain and France, with the stated purpose of promoting democracy and peace throughout Europe. So far the British prime minister SunTzu has accepted an alliance of both offensive and defensive purposes, and it is expected that this will convince France to accept as well.

As the upcoming Franco-Prusso-Austro-British Grand Alliance will divide Europe between a righteous democratic sphere of its members and a dark, despotic sphere of tyranny on the outside, Germany and Austria-Hungary have cancelled their alliance with Italy.

Excerpted from a speech made by the Kaiser:

"An iron curtain has descended across Europe. On the one side lie the modern, democratic, and peaceloving nations of France, Britain, Austria-Hungary, and Germany. Beyond it lie the ancient capitals of Madrid, Constantinople, Rome, and St. Petersburg, aligning themselves with the cause of decrepid absolute monarchy. The nations of Spain, Italy, Ottoman Turkey, and Russia constitute an axis of evil, and unless their nations conform to modern times and institute modern democratic governments, they will be considered an adversary. Germany's new purpose is a quest to liberate all nations of Europe from oppression, whether by military or diplomatic means. The power of the German Army and the British Navy will hopefully achieve this end."

Is that a joke????
German-Austrian-British-French Alliance!!!!!

When could I sign the unconditional surrender treaty?

Iron Curtain, Evil Axis...
Did Kaiser Wilhelm also dream with Churchill and Bush?;)

For you to know...
After Wilhelm´s announce, King Emmanuel III of Italy understood the situation. As any good patriot, he loves his country and he doesn´t want to lead it to war and finally see it reduced to ash and dust.
Obviously he abdicated to the throne, and as his german colleague, called elections (i´m not sure if this is the correct term in english :confused: ) in order to form a new republic. To bring Italy to a new era of democracy and prosperity.

So, Italy modestly asks to be included in this new democratic alliance. We don´t want to fight or get involved in stupid wars. Our only goal is the progress and development of our country, our people.
Please, let us join your democratic crusade :)

Who´s the leader of this alliance? I´d like to sent an ambassador to state my position.

Prime Minister SunTzu announced to the people of Great Britain, that the Grand Alliance between Germany and Great Britain has been signed.
PM SunTzu wishes France to join the Grand Alliance to secure our borders and rid the world of Tyranny.

Prime Minister PinkyGen welcomes the spirit of democratic change that appears to sweeping across Europe, and particulary congradulates the Germans on reforming their government. The Prime Minister even hinted that he himself will look to see if reforms our possible to make the French government even more open.


After reviewing private diplomatic messages sent by the Prime Minister of the Great Britain and the former Kaiser of Germany, France announces that we enthusiastically join the Democratic Alliance proposed by the new Democratic People's Republic of Germany. ;) Though we desire peace, we are also prepared to do what is necessary to safeguard these new democracies in Europe.

Stay tuned, more is to come as negotiations continue....

Hi guys!

Sorry for my lack of postings. I will have the first round played later today.

Well, I don't think I'll sell out to your huge alliance Darius....even if it kills me, I don't want my actions in the game to be determined by words from other nations....I hope Turkey and Russia stand with me....if not, it's gonna be a short game for me

Tsar Nicholas II is worried about the new alliance formed in Europe.

The demands issued by this new alliance is of no relevance to Russia. They may think that they can order the other nations of Europe as they please, but Russia will follow its own agenda not Germanys.

However, Tsar Nicholas is interested in learning more about the Democratic system and invites European leaders and scientists to Moscow for closer talks. If the democratic system is beneficial to the Russian people, we will consider changes in our government. Even if it means that Tsar Nicholas have to abdicate.

*In a new law passed by the Russian Tsar, the church is now no longer a part of the Russian state. They are separated into an independent entity. This have freed enormous amounts of resources that the Russian government can use elsewhere.

*Tsar Nicholas II*

Announcement!!


After the newly formed Franco-Prusso-Austro-British Grand Alliance, Russian diplomats have been sent to several European nations on diplomatic missions.

Tsar Nicholas II is happy to announce the formation of a new alliance, to counter the Franco-Prusso-Austro-British power block. The members of this new alliance is Russia, Spain and the Ottoman Empire. We are still awaiting the answer from our diplomats in Rome.

It is Russia’s hope that this new alliance will prevent the Franco-Prusso-Austro-British alliance dictating the rest of Europe. They should remember that Russia, Spain and the Ottoman Empire are sovereign states with the right to set they’re own agenda. Hopefully, the two power blocks can find a way to coexist side by side peacefully.

Trade and scientific progress should be on everyone’s agenda, not meddling in other countries internal matters.


Tsar Nicholas II

PS: I'm still interested in learning more about the Democratic System. But I will need help in attaining the level of knowledge witch enable me to convert to such a system.

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Originally posted by Darius
"An iron curtain has descended across Europe. On the one side lie the modern, democratic, and peaceloving nations of France, Britain, Austria-Hungary, and Germany. Beyond it lie the ancient capitals of Madrid, Constantinople, Rome, and St. Petersburg, aligning themselves with the cause of decrepid absolute monarchy. The nations of Spain, Italy, Ottoman Turkey, and Russia constitute an axis of evil, and unless their nations conform to modern times and institute modern democratic governments, they will be considered an adversary. Germany's new purpose is a quest to liberate all nations of Europe from oppression, whether by military or diplomatic means. The power of the German Army and the British Navy will hopefully achieve this end."

Doesnt sound very peaceloving if you ask me :rolleyes:

Due to the formation of the Tyranny Alliance, which is what the British press named it, the Royal Mediterannean Navy has been put on high alert, and the Royal Army has gone to the border.
The Northern Royal Navy is being sent to the Mediterannean.
The Strait of Gilbralter is also being closed to traffic other than Alliance ships

France welcomes the inclusion of Italy into the new Democratic Alliance. However, we join our British neighbors in voicing our concern over the formation of a new alliance of "tyranny" as the British have so aptly named it, as a threat to our peaceful Democratic societies. We have no urge to dicatate to the rest of Europe as the Russian Tsar has suggested, and view their alliance as nothing more than an attempt to intimidate us.

Tsar Nicholas II assumes that if the Democratic Alliance is indeed serious about its demands that Russia should conform to modern times and institute modern democratic governments, that the western governements will assist Russia in attaining this kind of knowledge.

As stated earlier, Russia is unfamilliar with this kind of governement, and needs assistance learing more about it.

hehe...bastards...don't end the game before it's begun

But make no mistake, Russia is fully backing the Russian/Spanish/Ottoman alliance.

Who's next? ;)

It is Italy now, if I am not mistaken :-)

Ready

It is now PinkyGen's turn, if anyone wondered. =)

To the young Turk, some of us need to sleep at night. ;)

Russia is still awaiting a reply about its request for assistance in attaining the knowledge of Democracy.

We, the Turks, is always seeking how to make our empire better. So we are willing to look at all direction of development.

The Germans have been noted for their effeciency, but apparently not for this year. All of Europe awaits the turn of Kaiser Darius. ;)

Blast! As I am posting everywhere, I'm going to be gone until at least the 20th, possibly even longer. It's a very long story. As it includes my not having access to the internet except for this 10-minute library sliver, I don't have time to arrange subs this time. Sorry, but I'll try to make the wait as short as possible. :sad: :suicide:

Does this mean that this game is off or what???

It means we must unfortunately wait, and hope Darius can return soon or find a replacement. Unfortunately, this is a frequent PBEM problem.

Sucks, well, if Darius is interested I got a replacement.
I think Darius knows him also.
He is Eivind, I think his nick is Eivind IV or something.

Just a thought, but he is away now untill the 18th though :(

Good news and bad news, it turns out I'll have my new college access to at least talk, but the bad news is still no turns. :(

Anyhow I usually allow subs and did on my long trip a month ago, but not when it's the first turn of an empire-building scenario. There are too many things I need to do in terms of construction and troop placements to really brief someone on.

All right, got this one in a bit early:

- Alliance with France formalised after a meeting with Ambassador AI. However, the British ambassador was reluctant, so I hope that the Prime Minister chastizes him (sets attitude to worshipful).

- In the same diplomatic summits, the scientists and political thinkers of Germany, France, and England traded information for the benefit of all.

- German troops this turn captured Arnhem, and afterward they emptied Amsterdam, Brussels, and Antwerp so that all our friends have to do is occupy. :goodjob:

- Massive amounts of freight have been organized to destinations and ships are already underway to Britain, Italy, and the Ottoman Empire (and two land convoys en route to Paris).

- German scientists and other academics have travelled to Italy to give them a considerable leg-up in research, as the nation's new path has convinced the Triple Alliance to accept Italy's offer of alliance.

- Chancellor Darius is considering the tsar's proposal of advising Russia's bureaucrats on how to run elections, but wonders what this would entail. What will Russia do?

Originally posted by Darius

- Chancellor Darius is considering the tsar's proposal of advising Russia's bureaucrats on how to run elections, but wonders what this would entail. What will Russia do?

Russia welcomes the Chancellors considerations on advising Russia's bureaucrats on how to run elections. The Tsar will make travel himsels to Berlin for further talks. Perhaps this is what is needed to create stability in europe. Russia will in return encourage foreign goods sent to Russia.

The Tsar have a new vision for Russia. A new and modern Russia where trade and scientific progress will be the first priority. This will in return benefit the Russian people with a higher living standard.

The Tsar is eagerly avaiting the Chancellors answer..

(to put it blunt guys, i think your so called Democratic alliance is just an excuse to go to war against the rest of us. Now is your chance to prove me wrong)

My question was more to the tune of whether you would ally with us once your nation takes the modern road. Anyhow I will send the tech regardless, and furthermore my trade will be rerouted to Russia as originally it had had orders to disregard demand in Russian cities.

(to put it blunt guys, i think your so called Democratic alliance is just an excuse to go to war against the rest of us. Now is your chance to prove me wrong)

True in a way, but my original impulse was actually to simply have a new alignment in this game than the boring, predictable Europe of Germany/AH (and possibly but not necessarily Turkey) vs. France, Britain, and Russia. I'm not saying that it is unbalanced and unwinnable for Germany; it may well be. I'm just saying that a change of pace would be nice.

My other motivation was simply that this arrangement was a source for the democracy tech, since my science under the Kaiser would never be able to compete with Franco-British potential adversaries, but with the new arrangement Germany's industrial power can be coupled with scientific prowess, something that wouldn't have happened otherwise.

Of course an alliance of France, Germany, Italy, and Britain vs. everybody else would be unbalanced, but so what? Then it would carve up the other civs and go on with a 4-civ Europe, which would possibly erupt into a new war with any number of pretexts. And now with Russia potentially in the club, we might have a 5-civ Europe in place after WWI, so what? You never know.

You wouldnt have been a tad bit inspired by the Democratic alliance of the original AOW game as well? ;)

Originally posted by Darius
And now with Russia potentially in the club, we might have a 5-civ Europe in place after WWI, so what? You never know.

Russia will stand by it's current allies (Spain and Ottoman Empire), as Russia considers other nations governments an internal matter. Russia will not force it's views upon other nations, Democratic or not.

Well Prime Minister SunTzu will send our Royal Army to force the Democratic ways on others if needed. For the time being our army is only playing war games in the Mediterranean....that could change though ;)

PS. in this game you need wars and skirmishes to keep the unit level down so we don't hit the unit limit...

Russia will stand by it's current allies (Spain and Ottoman Empire), as Russia considers other nations governments an internal matter. Russia will not force it's views upon other nations, Democratic or not.

Well then we can only think that this is a scheme to improve your research for the sake of the Axis and nothing more. :spank: No tech for you! Hahaha!

Forgot to say Henrik, I never really followed the thread. I just looked late in the thread to see who was conquered and who wasn't, and then I looked to the middle to see why France was gone. I just read the first page after reading your post and saw that this is redundant. :o

Then again at least this time the alliance has four countries in it. :D

Mmm... who´s next?

Its Knish's turn

hrm I know, heres it

FINALLY!!!!!!
Knish´s first PBEM turn!!!! [party]

YaY, heh

Germany - u have all technology that i have. So does France.
Amsterdam was taken and the Royal Navy is being readied for the invasion of Scandinavia.

Espagne...

Espagne as in Spain...

Spain as in Rhodry...

Hmm, maby espagne has fallen out, he seemed to think that the game was alredy decided, maby he quite, just a thought though.

we need a replacement?

I dont know, I havnt been in contact with him, has anyone else??
I might know of a replacement if it comes to that. But I really hope he will come back.

I'm willing to replace/sub him.
I do was in the old Pre-WW1 thread ...

Well i'm for Yop to replace Rhodry

You are welcome Yop!! :goodjob:

i cant argue on that :D

I PM'ed Rhodry a few days ago, and it looks like he's gone. :( Hopefully not forever, but anyway welcome Yop!

Finished.
Spain really sucks.

Russia kindly ask the German navy to conduct its operations in the Baltic Sea further south. We cannot accept German naval activity on the Russian coast. Russia will respect German territorial waters, and ask the Germans to do the same.

Nothing else to report..

Mmm... russia september? It´s supossed to be August. Is it just a typing mistake?

It´s supossed to be August. Is it just a typing mistake?
Sorry! My mistake. 2 months per turn :D

* No news. Outstading BORING waves spreading all over Italy

Belgium has agreed to join the great French nation, and Brussels and Antwerp are now flying the Tricolor.

As our troops moved in to restore order in Belgium, after some protests from the non-French speaking population :), we noticed German freight on the road to Dunkirk. We have tried to clear the road as much as possible to allow this Freight to proceed uninterrupted.

Speaking of trade, we have unloaded our first trading expedition into London. The trade has been quite profittable, and quadrupled the French state budget, which was then shortly spent the liberals on "internal improvements." ;)

French troops are moving towards Fez in Algeria following the lead of our English allies, who have occupied Tangier. (SunTzu, you might want to have announced you took Tangier, especially since I was sending troops to take it myself).

On the diplomatic Front, Alliance was signed with Italy. However, we note that during the great technological exchange among the Democratic Powers, France was the only country not to receive the actual Democracy mechanisms. We kindly ask our German or British Allies (Italy went) to send the manual immediatly. :lol:

France was the only country not to receive the actual Democracy mechanisms.
Neither do I.

According to my intel, you have the democracy tech. It was highlighted on Brit, Germ, and Ital. screens, meaning it's a tech I don't have. If I'm wrong, please tell me.

To the Russian Tsar:

First off, Russia has quoted no treaty defining Russian and German waters. All we do know is that the closest ships were a full four squares from Riga and two squares off the Latvian coast. Furthermore these were mere destroyers on a recon mission, with no threat to Russian ground or naval forces.

Despite all this, the ships have been withdrawn and we apologize for any confusion.

- This turn the government of Denmark requested annexation by Germany to protect against agression by either Britain or Russia, so our first garrisons have arrived in Arhus and Odense. Our troops will parade through Copenhagen in a month.

- The best minds of Germany's bureaucracy held a conference in Paris to teach our allies how democratic elections are to be organized. A trip to Rome was not necessary as indeed they had already brought their knowledge to Italian diplomats several months ago. ;)

- Troops have been put in place to destroy Belgian and Dutch fortresses along the Franco-German border, so that our engineers can put together a more fluid frontier to facilitate land-based trade.

A trip to Rome was not necessary as indeed they had already brought their knowledge to Italian diplomats several months ago.
This should be the best moment to quote Homer Simpson:
"D´oh!!!" :crazyeye:

sorry Pinky, forgot to tell you

Turks continues to build up their country to reach the standard of other great nations. Though they expect that it will take som time to acomplish this.

The domestic advisor report great optimism in the turkish people.

Royal Engineer Corps are now in mass usage around Britain and Ireland and other colonies.
Trade Caravans are being sent to Denmark.
Part of the Royal North Sea Navy is being sent to join the Royal Mediterranean Navy to keep British merchant ships safe from pirates.

Nothing special happened.

And the file ...

Russia continues it's effort to modernise it's industry and education facilities. The Russian Financial minister announced an large increase in funding to the scientific community. This will create a deficit in the budget over the coming 2-3 years. But the federal reserves is sufficient to manage such an strain.

Also, the Tsar announced today that he will abdicate within next summer. He is announced that he will spend the remainder of his time as ruler of Russia to implement a more modern type of government. When the time is right, the Tsar will abdicate and ensure that no one can assume dictatorial powers in Russia ever again.

Originally posted by Darius
To the Russian Tsar:

First off, Russia has quoted no treaty defining Russian and German waters. All we do know is that the closest ships were a full four squares from Riga and two squares off the Latvian coast. Furthermore these were mere destroyers on a recon mission, with no threat to Russian ground or naval forces.

Despite all this, the ships have been withdrawn and we apologize for any confusion.



The Tsar is very happy with the constructive dialogue with the german leader. Perhaps we should define the Russian and German territorial waters ?

When did you get the tech?

As for the Baltic, attached is a map of what I hope for. The lines are at least five squares away from German and Russian cities so that there is complete security from sudden attacks by battleships on either side. Any Russian warships going to or from the North Sea would go through the Swedish territorial waters, as we know they have no voice. :D

Transport ships and non-battleship escourt warships are welcome to travel through German waters of course, and I hope German ships will receive the same courtesy.

ARGENTINA ARGENTINA ARGENTINA!!!!!!

Les ganamos a los yankees!!!!!!!

We beat the "Dream Team" :D :D :D :D

Dream Team???? :lol: :lol: :lol:

ARGENTINA ARGENTINA ARGENTINA


TURURURURU!!!!!!! Sun Tzu!!!! :p

Argentina isn't on the map academia. ;)

Argentina isn't on the map academia

One more time... another example of USA arrogance :(

It´s just a game Pinkygen. Please!!! I didn´t insult your country :(

I was ;), which means joking. I'm not trying to insult your country, in fact, I don't think anybody here watched the match.

PS. The US isn't on this map either. :)

Sorry, i misunderstood you Pinkygen :blush:
However, it was just a game. I´m sure that we´ll eventually meet in the final game one more time. And this time you´ll beat us. Now you are aware of argentina´s mighty, so you will give your 100%, try to kick our butt and restore ORDER in the Basketball World ;)

But please, don´t understimate FIBA basket again.

Just letting everyone know that SunTzu's been banned for three days. :(

Originally posted by Darius
Just letting everyone know that SunTzu's been banned for three days. :(

Why was he banned ???? :(

He didn't tell me at the time of the post why, but he just told me that he was spamming I guess.

Academica???

Sorry!!!! :blush: I didn´t realize that it was my turn to play!!!!

i'm back

Academia?

Academia, did you forget to upload the game file? The French people go impatient (actually, I just destroyed France an hour ago in a war of horsemen versus elephants, quite barbaric)

:aargh:

Sorry, i was waiting a PM respose...
The file:

Yawn, engineers transforming continent, trading expidition reloaded, headed for London next turn, please clear way. Troops begin to surround Fez for eventual attack (why couldn't it be a naval city?)

And ooh, Democratic processes have been perfected. Is the Republic going to end?

la-dee-da

All eyes are on Turkey...

Sorry, been unable to load civfanatics.com for some reason, but here is my turn.

Little to report, have improved on road system.

Ops, forgott the .zip file :)

Oops, wrong thread

yo yo Sun Tzu

dang, lol ok i'll get it posted today, i gotta go to class right now though.

Prime Minister Gregory of Lux was dispatched today to the Italian Embassy in London to get answer to why, a Italian Armoured Cruiser and Italian Destroyer are waiting off of the coast of Greece and Crete.
We demand these vessels, be moved out of British waters.

Britain Grows.....

Britain Grows.....

Failed to load, Sun Tzu, please repost the file ...
http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads2/ss9.gif

**** ok.

ok try this

Several rushbuyed engineers will begin working the fields next month. Sas, can you give me the tech please?

I still wanna know where you guys got the Democracy (or Republic?) tech! Academia, I'm looking in your direction... :mad:

The Russian Tsar abdicated this month, in favor of a more democratic government. Currently, an election is prepared for in may. In the mean time, the regional governors is taking care of the day to day affairs.

Sweden have officially requested Russian protection against any possible German agression. Russian officials agreed that such measures is agreeable. Stockholm is now a part of the new Russian Democratic Union (RDU).

Russia would like to invite the leaders of the so called Democatic Alliance to Moscow for talks and exchange of ideas. Represetatives from our trusted allies Spain and Turkey is invited as well.

Today British Prime Minister SunTzu, issued a request to the non-democratic alliance nations. Where did you acquire Democracy?
Italy, do you know where the Democracy was acquired?
Also, Italian naval vessels have been spotted in the harbor of Crete and off the coast of Athens, the British Parliament demands these ships of war be removed from BRITISH waters!

Britain also whole-heartily denies the request of the Russian Dictatorship that the members of the Democratic Alliance meet with the Russian Dictator to talk politics.
As far as Russia's government and any other Non-Democratic Alliance nations government is concerned, they are still Dictatorships until the knowledge of where the rogue nations acquired Democracy is brought to light.

Also, i suggest everyone gets Yaroslav's diplomacy utility, it'll make exchanging, hmmm money and technology(which i believe is all that is available right now) easier. We wo'nt have to deal with the AI.
You can find it in a thread on this forum posted by Yaroslav

Today British Prime Minister SunTzu, issued a request to the non-democratic alliance nations. Where did you acquire Democracy? Italy, do you know where the Democracy was acquired?
I see... it´s too easy to accuse the weaker member of traition.

About the vessels... they are part of a convoy. I´m planning to accompany my transports (loaded with traders) to Turkey.
Please!!!! You are overreacting!!! I thought we were allies... :mad:

I've already spoken to Italy and I believe them that they didn't gift the tech. I can't tell you the details, only that I'm reasonably convinced. ;) Originally I suspected Britain since it was theirs originally and they could claim they had a right to do whatever they wanted with it.

Anyhow I do know now that sas has done some shopping, but if it wasn't you, Pinkygen...

Originally posted by SunTzu
Today British Prime Minister SunTzu, issued a request to the non-democratic alliance nations. Where did you acquire Democracy?

Britain also whole-heartily denies the request of the Russian Dictatorship that the members of the Democratic Alliance meet with the Russian Dictator to talk politics.
As far as Russia's government and any other Non-Democratic Alliance nations government is concerned, they are still Dictatorships until the knowledge of where the rogue nations acquired Democracy is brought to light.

It is with interest Russian official notice that even when Russia is in the prosess of changing government to a more democratic rule(REPUBLIC), you try to shift your focus away from the fact that this Russia is actually meeting your demands on changing towards a more deocratic governement. The only reason Russia cant change to a regular democracy, is because you refuse to share the knowledge. And you demand a change, but lack the will to assist the nations willing to meet your damands.

And calling Russias new government a Dictatorship doesnt hold water, and you know it ;)

But you've ignored his original point:

they are still Dictatorships until the knowledge of where the rogue nations acquired Democracy is brought to light.

Germany is absolutely willing to improve ties to Russia once this demand is met. It is imperative as we have to consider what it will mean for our alliance with whoever secretly gave you the Republic technology without our permission.

Upon news that the new Russian Republic's government is based almost entirely upon our Republican system, Prime Minister PinkyGen angrily ordered an immediate investigation of all ministries of government. The Prime Minister will personally lead this investigation.

So far, the preliminary report has outlined two methods that the Russian's might have used.

1. Contact with a corrupt Minister, pseudonym AI, who foolishly conversed with the Russians. Referred to by one Minister as "cheating." Not considered likely, so do not treat this as an accusation, but more of a reminder of the codes of civlized conduct (PBEM rules).
2. Betrayal by another nation we shared the Republic with. Most unethical, but legal. The government has unfortunately lost the records of precisely when these records were shared with the allies.

The investigation could be considerably eased if the Russians revealed how they did it. We would feel no ill will towards the Russians, who only naturally wish to improve their governmental system. However, unless the Russians reveal their methods, we shall be forced to view it as treacherous espionage on part of the Russian Government, making a warming of ties impossible. We do not wish to hold grudges, and indeed would welcome improved relations with the newly emerging democratic nation. But we are not a Russian library.

The British government doesn't recognize the new Russian government as a democracy or a republic, but as a dictatorship due to the obvious acquirement of the technology from an ally!

However, unless the Russians reveal their methods, we shall be forced to view it as treacherous espionage on part of the Russian Government, making a warming of ties impossible.

Could not have put it better. The fact that Russia acquired the technology through flattery, subversion, and espionage only increases Germany's old suspicion that any modified Russian government would only be in place to be a tech and gold machine, and not to practice a true belief in our ideals:

Well then we can only think that this is a scheme to improve your research for the sake of the Axis powermongering and nothing more. :spank: No tech for you! Hahaha!

Only honesty can bring the possibility of recognition. Dishonesty and the corruption of one of our friends is not the way to improve relations.

Sorry for the delay

File:

Scandal!!!

In the early morning of a very cold New Year's Day in Berlin, a courier sent by the French Prime Minister entered the German Foreign Ministry handcuffed to a suitcase marked "Top Secret". He had been rushed by train direct from Paris to meet personally with Kaiser Wilhelm, still considered the seat of power in the provisional government as elections are still awaited. Little did he know that he brought with him the files which may well end up causing a world war: the results of France's detailed investigation of the recent controversy about technological espionage. It's final conclusion was that Russia absoutely acquired the technology of The Republic from Italy!

This was determined after their Foreign Minister's intelligence sources reported that Russia did not have the technology until after the Italian turn of gameplay.

Upon looking at the evidence the Kaiser was convinced and ordered a German investigation to take place, which revealed even more shocking results: not only did the treacherous Italians give the Russian dictatorship knowledge of the Republic, but they also thoroughly trained the Tsar's scientists in a full six other disciplines, mostly of a military nature at that!

The selling of one technology for a good price in gold may have been small enough of an infraction for the Allies to simply withdraw alliance with and protection of the Italian people. But now, as we see that literally everything we were gracious enough to give to them was immediately betrayed to our worst enemies without any consultation, it can only be believed that their proposal of friendship was simply a ruse with which to assist their Russian masters.

This array of espionage, lies, and betrayal has given the nations Great Britain, France, Germany, and Austria-Hungary no choice but to declare WAR on the so-called Italian "Republic"!

Now first I must clarify: this war is simply of a punitive nature; there are no plans (nor do we have the capability) for military occupation of Italy. Hopefully small land advances and the destruction of their entire navy will teach them a lesson. :evil:

If the members of the Alliance for Tyranny decide to intervene on the side of these untrustworthy swine, so be it; we are prepared to defend our borders.

And to secure our pretext, here are the findings of the German Foreign Ministry's investigation:

Italian Treachery!!!

Prime Minister PinkyGen has announced the French government has finished it's investigation into the Russian's method of acquiring the Republic. With clear and unequivocal, the report clearly reported and properly concluded that the Italian government abused their terms of the alliance, willing trading French, British, and German secrets to the Russians. An investigation through the Foreign Minister diplomatic records between the Russian and Italian announcements duinrg November of 1900 clearly demonstrated that after the Russian announcement, they still did not have the secret of the Republic. However, after the Italian "turn", the Russians immediatly had a copy of the Republican government right in their archives.
Conferring our results with German intelligence, they reported that in fact Russia had acquired the following shared technologies of the Alliance.

General Staffs
Naval Bases
Fertilizers
The Republic
Operations
Militarism
Land Reform

Clearly, the Italian Government has not only betrayed the alliance, but has done so in a cowardly fashion. France cannot tolerate the stealing of her state secrets that we so generously shared with the Italians, gaining nothing in return. We view this as a hostile act of treachery, and one that can have only one French response.

WAR!!!!!!!!

The French Engineer corp has constructed an emergency railink between Valance and Turin, paving the way for our mighty French forces to attack in Northern Italy. Our initial success has been more than we could have dreamed. Turin, Milan, Verona, Venice, and Florence now fly the tricolour of true freedom. A third of Italy (and a third of their treasury as well) is in our hands. Her artillery was destroyed in the open field of combat, her conscripts and engineers cast aside. The road to Rome is open. Italy shall pay a dear price for her treachery!

Though we have declared a defensive war against Italy, we reiterate that all we want is peace in Europe. Though we are displeased with Russian actions in this matter, they did not betray our trust. We shall not go to war against Russia on this matter. The same stands for Turkey and for Spain. As a gesture of goodwill towards Spain, we have withdrawn our ships from the port of Barcelona, and we request that the British reopen the straights of Gilbratar towards Spanish shipping.

As towards our "true allies," Italy has betrayed you as much as she has betrayed us, and she owes you two reparations as well. We urge swift action to help augment our offensive, and invite you to share in our combined gains.

Viva la France.

Turin, Milan, Verona, Venice, and Florence now fly the tricolour of true freedom.

:eek: Way to go, that's way more than I expected! :goodjob:

Did you manage to build those bypasses, BTW?

Sorry, but no. I have to make to many of them, as I have used artillery camped outside some of their cities, and with such gains, I don't have the engineers to build railroads around them. I'll cede Verona or Venice to you (I forget which one, anyway the city closest to Trieste) if you can get troops very quickly.

Just play your turn, I'm interested to see what happens next ;)

No, you go on ahead. It'd be at least three turns before my artillery could make it through AH's crummy roads.

To be honest I'd rather play my turn after Russia's reaction, but I suppose he could just fool me until my turn's already done just like we did to Italy, so I might as well do it now.

You can wait for Russia, I'm out of town for two days, so I don't know if I can take the suspense, that's all. :lol:

WHAT??????
I didn´t do it!!! Damn it!!!!

I admit that i negotiated with SAS, but i didn´t sent anything...
DAMN!!!! I talked to Darius!!!!
What the f**k is this?????

SAS???? I sent you the techs????????
No!!! please, tell them that i didn´t do it. WE were negotiating and i told you that the AI wanted like 6 techs and then the democracy!!!!

Please guys, i´m not a liar. damn!

Trust me academia I totally believed you before, but then Pinkygen showed me what he found and it's ironclad. Italy goes immediately after Russia. He didn't have the 7 techs at the end of his turn, and he did at the end of your turn. What other explanation could there possibly be for this?!?!

DAMN!!!! i did my own research and it seems that i did it!!!
You know what happened?
During Nov1900, I talked with the AI and i did the negotiations test!!!! You know that the AI asks you for a number of techs until they ask for the really important (democracy in this case) So, i gifted them like 6 techs and finally democracy!!!!1
Yes, it was a test.
And i saved that test. and posted that file!!!!
What an idiot!!!!!
Obvioulsy, it was the wrong file!!!!!

And the funny thing is that i didn´t send them DEMOCRACY!!! :D :D :D
What an idiot!!!!!

hmmm, (assuming this is true ;)) what should we do then? Have academia redo the November turn? We certainly shouldn't let the Axis keep the techs over a mistake. ;)

Ahhh you done ****ed up now Italy..
The British War Department is in full swing, bringing old and new war plans to deal with Italy and any other conflict that might arise from this WAR!!!!
The British Navy is on high alert and is ordered to hunt down and sink any and all Italian ships in Operation No Fleet. (need a better name ;) )

And SAS didn't say anything about how he got all this technology? He didn't thank you, or even ask why you gave it? Or the fact that you were negotiating with him? Or that he launched the revolution and we were all busy looking for the mole. And what is the tech test?

Ah well, I guess I can meet you in Rome to talk about it real soon. :D

Edit:
As for restarting, bad idea. A whole turn passed, and it would take a while to replay, and we'd need to all get on board. Also, I've shown too much of my hand with that army.

Anyways, I don't entirely believe Academia yet. (Nothing personal, in fact I admire your sneakiness if that was your goal). Even if it was all true, our alliance member was negotiating something seperate with Russia, without telling anyone.

And in general principle, I don't believe in the do-over for posting the wrong file and then correcting it later after so much time has passed. Yes, it's a mistake, but we all make mistakes in this game (I could've captured Rome if I hadn't moved some units accidently on a road).

Anyway, I may be convinced to stop after I take Rome.

To resume:

1) I negotiated with Russia. That´s true
2) It wasn´t my intention to send them 6 techs.
3) I was willing to give him democracy because SAS expressed his intentions in the forum. He even talked with Darius.
4) I made a test and posted the wrong file.
5) That mistake led to this scandal

Guys, i hope you understand that these negotiations are part of the game. I hate cheaters and liars and i don´t want to be mentioned as one of them.
I hope you understand that i made a mistake (posted the wrong file) and that led to this stupidity.

3) I was willing to give him democracy because SAS expressed his intentions in the forum. He even talked with Darius.

But I and the other members made it clear that we were not going to give it to him, and, while we did not PM you that it was an official alliance policy, we still should be pissed that you were considering giving him the tech in the first place. According to your story, if Russia's AI had asked for Democracy first, you would have given it to him, and we would still be in this situation. ;)

well then i believe WAR will continue! Onward!!!!!!!

hmmm, (assuming this is true )
It´s true!!! i´m not a liar, i´m a stupid!!!!


And SAS didn't say anything about how he got all this technology? He didn't thank you, or even ask why you gave it? Or the fact that you were negotiating with him? Or that he launched the revolution and we were all busy looking for the mole. And what is the tech test?
If you want, i can send you all my PM. i have all of them!!!!
The tech test. i didn´t make myself clear?
1) I talked with the AI
2) i wanted to gift them a tech
3) There wasn´t the option of democracy, there were other techs like Naval Bases
4) So, i gave them all the techs he wanted until i saw the democracy tech
5) I jot it down. "6 techs before democracy"
6) I saved that test
7) I posted that file. Obvioulsy it was the wrong one
8) Please, notice that i didn´t send him democracy!!!!!

RUSSIA DOESN´T HAVE DEMOCRACY!!!!!!

But I and the other members made it clear that we were not going to give it to him, and, while we did not PM you that it was an official alliance policy, we still should be pissed that you were considering giving him the tech in the first place. According to your story, if Russia's AI had asked for Democracy first, you would have given it to him, and we would still be in this situation.
Yes, that´s true. I was planning to sell it.
I just want to point out that i didn´t lie to you Darius. I talked to you, and i admitted that i was negotiating.
I posted the wrong file. That´s it.

Personally, i don´t care about this game.
One more time, i´m not a liar guys!!!! I admit that i was negotiating with SAS!!!!!

Anyways, I don't entirely believe Academia yet. (Nothing personal, in fact I admire your sneakiness if that was your goal). Even if it was all true, our alliance member was negotiating something seperate with Russia, without telling anyone.
That´s true. And that MUST be the real reason for war against Italy. Not other one.

I believed you then and I believe you now, but the fact remains that your intention to sell him the one tech is still a bad thing, and must be dealt with. Should we restart from sas' November turn with no tech trades? And if so, should Italy be rejected from the alliance (but not attacked) as a punishment?

I agree with Darius. Assuming it is true (and even if it's not, it doesn't make you a cheater. Just really sneaky), you were going to give Russia Democracy on your own. While Darius might have had an inkling of what was going on, Myself and SunTzu (who was the one who started with Democracy) were left out in the cold.

As for Russia not having Democracy, in the long term, that's good. But he has 7 other tech's.

The war shall continue...

eh, well hmmmm replay your turn if you like.......i suppose nothing will happen to you if u replay your turn.............................................. ...............................................i suppose....................................

Pinkygen, you must think about the big picture here. Deep down a reason for having a replay would not just be for academia to change the mistake. IMO a major reason for the redo is so that RUSSIA WON'T HAVE THOSE TECHS! In the grand scheme of things we should have a redo so that Russia doesn't have an impressive 7 extra techs to work with due to a mistake.

Perhaps you have less concern for it since you do not border Russia, but I do not want them to have a huge boost in technology that happened completely by accident. Accidentally moving a unit off railroads is one thing, but this, the other hand, can have a HUGE effect on the game.

I believed you then and I believe you now, but the fact remains that your intention to sell him the one tech is still a bad thing, and must be dealt with. Should we restart from sas' November turn with no tech trades? And if so, should Italy be rejected from the alliance (but not attacked) as a punishment?
Great! That´s the point. I betrayed my alliance in this game. I didn´t lie to you about the facts of the negotiations.
These are PBEMs and sneaky negotiations are allowed; it´s diplomacy!!!
I sneak attacked in other PBEM and i was betrayed in another. But this diplomatic stuff belongs to "inside the game negotiations". There aren´t bad feelings between these guys and me. We played our cards in those games, and let the best general/diplomatic win.

Pinkygen, you must think about the big picture here. Deep down a reason for having a replay would not just be for academia to change the mistake. IMO a major reason for the redo is so that RUSSIA WON'T HAVE THOSE TECHS! In the grand scheme of things we should have a redo so that Russia doesn't have an impressive 7 extra techs to work with due to a mistake.
That´s true. it wasn´t my intention to send him 7 techs!!!!

And that´s the reason for war. The 7 techs!!!
You know, due to this "AI wants 7 techs" problem, i decided not to give SAS the techs. None of them!!!!
Without these techs, no war against Italy.

Edit:
As a result: you may never get the information about these sneaky negotiations between Russia and Italy!!!!

PinkyGen:
If you want to make this problem something personal and invade Italy, do it.

Personally, i´d like to redo my Nov1900 turn and don´t send anything to Russia.
Then, if you want to go on with the invasion and attack Italy, do it. I won´t blame you for that.

I also support a redo of the November turn, although not necessarily to prevent the invasion of Italy. I recommend it for one reason alone: to keep Russia from having those extremely important techs!!!

Well guys, i´m going to sleep.
It´s your decision.

G'night. I think everyone knows my position, so I'm out too.

pinky, lets go ahead and let him replay his turn...

Oh no, my invasion of Italy is nothing personal.

The way I see it, I have no way of knowing if you are telling me the truth the not. I think it sets a dangerous a precedent to replay turns after something very bad happens to your civilization. In TSFE, I could have claimed that I had meant to withdraw all my troops from my forward cities before your invasion, that I accidently loaded the wrong file of a playtest I did. This would be BS, but no one would have any way of knowing.
We still haven't heard anything from Sas on his view when he "miraciously" acquired seven technologies.
It is impossible to tell if academia or anyone else in the future is telling the truth or not.

Also, it very much screws France to restart. I have shown a large portion of my hand and capitibilities that I don't want people knowing about. Restarting because of someone else's possible mistake hurts my overall strategy.

As for Russia, I'd rather they not have the seven technologies. But for Darius and me, we have different but legitimate national interests. He wants the restart to stop Russia from getting the technology, a restart serves German interests.
However, I don't border Russia, so I am willing to believe the alliance's combined technology pace can outstrip Russia, Spain, Turkey should they even switch, especially since Russia did not get Democracy. While German interests would be helped, France would suffer under a restart.

I'm willing to stop my offensive (we might want to negotiate about Genoa, I could withdraw from some say Florence to tidy up the line a bit). But I am very much dead-set against restarting, for the reasons I posted above.

Now, off to my debate tournament, thanks for the practice. :)
See you on Sunday if I can't find a computer there.

Pinkygen:
The way I see it, I have no way of knowing if you are telling me the truth the not. I think it sets a dangerous a precedent to replay turns after something very bad happens to your civilization. In TSFE, I could have claimed that I had meant to withdraw all my troops from my forward cities before your invasion, that I accidently loaded the wrong file of a playtest I did. This would be BS, but no one would have any way of knowing.
Please, understand that i´m not talking about troop movements!
It was a negotiation! and with the AI!!!!
One more time, it was a test!!!! it wasn´t my intention to give them 7 techs. :(

However, I don't border Russia, so I am willing to believe the alliance's combined technology pace can outstrip Russia, Spain, Turkey should they even switch, especially since Russia did not get Democracy. While German interests would be helped, France would suffer under a restart.

But I must say a strong Russia is bad for French interests as well. The stronger Russia is, the less that Germany would be able to a assist you in a future conflict. ;) Not to mention that Russia's military techs could possibly make them win a future conflict, which would mean they would border France after all.

Well i want Italy out of the Democratic Alliance, for even negotiating the trade of technology with russia.

Hi guys !

I'm in the middle of moving to a new apartment, so i'm only online every two days or so. I will be able to play though.

About Russia getting the 6 techs from Italy:

I didnt realice that i had gotten any techs than Republic. I'm not familliar with this scenario, and i thought that perhaps Spain had the tech and gifter it to me. We had an agreement after all to share techs. But on the other hand, i should have noticed the arrival of another 5 techs :rolleyes:

Allthough the mistake made by Academica means a HUGE boost to Russia, it was not as a result from negotiations between Academica and myself. It seems this is like Academica claims, a mistake on his part. I can confirm that i apporached Italy with a proposal, that included the Democracy tech. Any other comment i will not issue.

However, i dont think we should continue to play like this since i know this was all a mistake. So PinkyGen, in this matter Academica is not making excuses for a planned move gone wrong.

I support we let Academica replay, and continue as normal.

There goes my Democratic plans down the toilet... :cry:

Academia just go on and play the turn, it seems to be everone vs. Pinkgen on this. ;)

Edit:

Also I agree with SunTzu that Italy will from now on be cast out from the alliance, but not attacked. Unfortunately, it would only be logical that in her isolation, Italy would go to the welcome arms of the Axis for friendship. Germany sees no fault in this on Italy's part.

However, the Foreign Ministries of the Triple Entente will continually be vigilant of Russian technologies. I hereby suggest an ultimatum to be signed by the Entente members:

"If at any time even one of the technologies we were kind enough to give to Italy end up on the intelligence screen for Russia, Spain, or Ottoman Turkey, war will immediately be declared on Italy alone by the Entente. In other words: Italy is allowed to defensively ally with the Axis, but if they gift any of our techs, goodbye Italy."

A complicated solution to a complicated problem.

I don't like, it and I don't agree with it. The point is not a matter of lying about troop movements vs. technology, the point is that people can always claim to have uploaded a playtest if thing's don't go there way.

But I'm going to lose on this, so restart.

Also I agree with SunTzu that Italy will from now on be cast out from the alliance, but not attacked. Unfortunately, it would only be logical that in her isolation, Italy would go to the welcome arms of the Axis for friendship. Germany sees no fault in this on Italy's part.

Darius:
What is the "Axis"? :confused:

I think he means the "alliance of tyranny" ;)

Yes, that is what Wilhelm originally called them, I think it has a ring to it. Plus it's shorter, I think the other one's just cumbersome.

And I'm sorry Pinkygen, but you have to balance out what is good and bad for us. IMO it is far worse for Russia to have 7 EXTREMELY important techs than for you to have vaguely revealed your military capability. So they now know how much artillery you have, so what? Not only does that have a miniscule effect on the game, but furthermore that knowledge will fade with every turn.

Ignore all concerns about whether this sets a precedent as you have said, and think about this simple question: Which of the two options do you think would be better for our alliance? The answer is absolutely to restart with a Russia weak to the point of uselessness.

Originally posted by Darius
Yes, that is what Wilhelm originally called them, I think it has a ring to it. Plus it's shorter, I think the other one's just cumbersome.

And I'm sorry Pinkygen, but you have to balance out what is good and bad for us. IMO it is far worse for Russia to have 7 EXTREMELY important techs than for you to have vaguely revealed your military capability. So they now know how much artillery you have, so what? Not only does that have a miniscule effect on the game, but furthermore that knowledge will fade with every turn.

Ignore all concerns about whether this sets a precedent as you have said, and think about this simple question: Which of the two options do you think would be better for our alliance? The answer is absolutely to restart with a Russia weak to the point of uselessness.

Darius, i was actually hoping your motive for wanting Academica to replay his turn was less selfish. I agreed because he made a mistake, no other reason than that. If i was using the same line of thought as you, i would oppose replaying the turn strongly.

My original reason is because he made a mistake, but I'm pulling everything out of the bag I can to change Pinkygen's mind. ;) Besides I originally was talking about the amount of effect on the game, not just Germany wanting Russia to be weak.

Academia, since we agreed to restart, can you please play your turn.

game on

Ready

The French government announced that the Republic would be drastically reformed to give the citizens even more of a say in government. The transition to a new form of government is not expected to take a while.

As for the Italian issue, France requests that the Italians immediatly instruct there ambassador to cancel the false alliance that our countries still share. Also, the government has agreed with the statement from the German Minister, if Italy should ever the technology given to them by members of the Entente, we shall invade Italy. Our war games have shown we will probably win. :)

Darius?

Sorry dude (that was only less than a day but I won't complain ;)). Captured Copenhagen again, dropped off freight in Britain.

If you insist on turning back the clock, at least try to allow us to arrive at the present in reasonable amount of time. ;)

(Yes, I confused myself with that as well)

(Yes, I confused myself with that as well)

:confused:

Confused with the last post or with the bump?

Confused myself with my deep statement on time. Perhaps it is amusing only to me and my French frogs.

Nah I got that part, I just wasn't sure what you were referring to with the latter one.

u sure as hell confused me froggy ;)

bumping knish

I don't believe knish is still active. His last turn was on sept. 15 .
Do we need a replacement? Or let the AI take over?

I'm ok with letter Turkey being AI, since they are not extremely important. On the other hand, he was your ally though, not mine. :)

Turkey can be extremely important. I play them in the AoW pbem at Apolyton.
We need a human player for turkey

Do you guys need a Turkey?

I would be willing to pop in.

Where do I get the scenario, and I would need a little background from my ally.

conmcb25

Just click here (http://www.civfanatics.net/downloads/civ2/scenarios/AGEofWAR.zip) for the files and play whenever you confer with your allies. :)

Roger that
sent email to YOP.
Installing scenario

Knish password protected his Civ. Do you have a keymaster?
conmcb25

This looks like an interesting PBEM. I just read thru all the posts.
Do you do most of the diplomacy thru PM or email?
And does anyone have knish's password?

The democratic alliance mostly uses PM's. I don't know how the alliance of tyranny does it ;) , but I think they use PM's as well, since that was what academia was using.

Did you guys give all your passwords to someone?
I didn't see anything in the posts about that.

i can see if Henrik would like to remove the password

Darius, here's what u need to do, take the password off of your civ, and send your game file to Henrik at henrik.lohmander@telia.com

He'll take off Knish's password...

Maybe we should send our emails to someone after this is straightened out. You guys have put a lot of time into this and it would be a shame to end it at a later date.

conmcb25,I do all my diplomacy with PM's. But I recieved your mail. You should know that you're allied with Russia too.
The rest, in a PM ;)

Email sent to Henrik

Thanks dude, that was quick. :goodjob:

Does this mean its now knish's er conmcb25's er Turkeys turn?

If it is I need to talk to my Allies since you evil Westernm Europeans decided to gang up on less fortunate souls to the south and east.

PM me guys so I now what the h**l is going on.
Thanks conmcb25

Yes, it's your turn.

And we haven't ganged up on any unfortunate souls. There was the Italian fiasco, but that was a matter of stolen state secrets, and was resolved.

Originally posted by PinkyGen
Yes, it's your turn.

And we haven't ganged up on any unfortunate souls. There was the Italian fiasco, but that was a matter of stolen state secrets, and was resolved.

I guess time will tell on the truth of that statement,

I will try to contact my allies.

If I cant find em Ill play on anyway. Heck its only a game.
Ill post the turn by tomorrow afternoon CIVFANATICS time.

PM'ed SAS and YOP 73.

Im gonna look at the file next.

Well you guys waited long enough to do this turn and it didn;t look like I could screw too much up so here it is.
In the mean time I would sure like to hear from my allies............

Sun TZU

Its your turn I believe

Conmcb25, settle down, take a chill pill. You posted your game 30 minutes ago. Now, i will get to it now, but in the future please don't be rash and get made cause i haven't played my turn within an hour of your posting. I'm in college now and college is more important than that. When i'm not at school, doing homework, studying, working, or having fun i'm here playing PBEMs. I have a lot of things in my life to do. Now, you only need to 'BUMP' if its been someones turn for 2 days. Not 30minutes.
Thanks

:lol: Aha, we have a winner! You beat El Awrence's 29-minute bump record by 9 minutes... never thought it was possible. ;)

turn completed! i'm sorry it took me so freakin long! bah humbug!


i'm sorry but expecting anyone to put Civ2 before life just pisses me off

BUMP DAMN YOU BUMP!

Shall I draw up the Turkish invasion plans now? :lol: ;)

Glad to know I hold at least one record.
I didn't know about the "Bump Protocol". Ill see if I can find a continueing education class on the proper use and applications of "bump".
I regret the offense you took because causing it was not the intention.
Saw you online so I figured Id give you a nudge.
PinkyGen and I like to keep things moving. On the Colonies game we bump if its more than 12 hours.
You need to take the chill pill, it was an honest mistake.

Maybe pinky, maybe

Go for it.
Just remember:
Age and Treachery will ALWAYS defeat Youth and skill.
Is it time to "Bump" yet?

dont push me, i'll make u hold the record for shortest time played in a PBEM. Plus i'm a moderator.....think about it

OK
Im done with this banter back and forth.
I made a mistake, I admitted that.
Everything since that has been joking around, notice smiles in all posts.
If you dont want me around just say the word, but I think you are taking this way to seriously.

Geez chill everybody, we're just joking around. Bumps are traditionally after 48 hours, con made a mistake and its no big deal, end of discussion. :)

Yes sir! End of discussion, game on

Sun Tzu, did you post the wrong file? I already have a 1900novBritain ?

its the file they posted before me, i downloaded i played it. I thought before that i had played this file already......i think i have. i'm confused

well when did we stop the game to give Italy a return? Was it on your turn?

yes we already have played a 1900NOV cause that was the turn before we found out about Academia's hmmmm "mistake" ;)
So we're replaying that turn now. No worries we're on track here

Ok, it's 48 hours, bump for Spain. ;)

Game on.

Tsar Nicholas II made a speech to the top officials in both the Military and Government today. A summary of the speech as followed;

"After repeated attempts to seek scientific aid from the western powers to meet they're demand convert to a more modern system, we have met nothing but rejection and suspicion. This is in my view proof that the so called Democratic Alliance (laughter from the audience) is not seeking a more civilized Europe. On the contrary, they only seek to reap the benefits and deny the rest of us the same. It can easily be concluded that this benefits will be used against the rest of Europe in the future, not to promote a more stable continent.

If they're intentions had been to promote democratic rule, they would have shared that knowledge to anyone willing to implement it. Russia as a democracy would be a good partner for Germany, France and Britain. But as long as Russia honour it's alliance with Spain, Turkey and now Italy, we will not gain that type of government from them.

I have set up a special institute, promoting studies on new types of government. Especially of the more democratic types. So Russia will change it's political system even without the help of the so called Democratic Alliance. And when Russia finally attains such knowledge, we will share it with everyone interested.

To get this knowledge we have to pay a heavy price. Our budget will be running on a heavy deficit for years to come, but it will be worth the price in the end. If nothing but to prove that Russia can do manage without western help.

Russia will still allow trade to continue, but any trade units will be closely monitored. Any sign of spying or unauthorised movement will result in the confiscation of the goods. We will not implement this plan until next year.

It is with great sadness that I am unable to give the Russian people a new and better government. And I can only hope that Russia will prove itself a vital flexible country even when opposed by the west.

We have not yet decided on the framework for the Russian/Turkish/Spanish/Italian (RTSI) alliance, but Russia guarantees the safety of all the members of the alliance. Any attacks on any member will result in a war against the whole RTSI.

I now hope the so called Democratic Alliance will realise they cannot on one side claim they're alliance to be all about promoting democracy. If they where, we would be in this situation"

..........

*The Swedish government requested protection from any possible German attack. As a result, Stockholm is now officially part of the Russian empire.

Originally posted by PinkyGen
Ok, it's 48 hours, bump for Spain. ;)

Darn it PinkyGen by my calculations (and I didn't use a calculator) you were 6 hours and 56 minutes ahead of the legal and ethical bump time! I had planned to inject a bump at precisely 48:01 time elapsed or at 9:45PM Civfanatics time. You need to be carefull or else the "Bump Police" will come after you......

:lol: :lol: :lol:

The ancient and arthritic Ottoman Empire aplauds the speech given by the Russian Emporer. We firmly back our commitment to the Russian, Spanish, Italian, Ottoman alliance.

:goodjob: :goodjob: :goodjob:

* Alliance with France and Germany cancelled.
* Alliance signed with Russia.

Britain:
I have an Armoured Cruiser near Canea. Please, don´t sink it. ok?
It is on its way to Turkey.