View Full Version : Colonization Excitement


bhoffarth
Sep 13, 2008, 12:21 PM
How excited are you about the release of the new Colonization game?

Lord Shadow
Sep 13, 2008, 02:54 PM
I think I'm excited about the release of Civ4Col as much as I was about the release of Civ4 back then.

Arjan
Sep 13, 2008, 05:23 PM
I really didn't care about civ4 but I'm counting the days to colo!

jediliz
Sep 13, 2008, 05:23 PM
I didn't buy Civ IV (still prefer Civ II) so I'm excited about this new Colonization......

Sol_Invictus
Sep 13, 2008, 05:25 PM
I love strategy games yet have never played any of the Civ titles so I am very excited.

GreatDeceiver
Sep 13, 2008, 07:12 PM
I love strategy games yet have never played any of the Civ titles so I am very excited.

You say you love strategy games yet you have never played any of the Civ titles? How is that possible!?! ;)

In good spirit, what strategy games have you played? I occasionally dabble with other games, but always come back to Civilization. I may find some attractive elements in other games, but find I can't beat the overall Civ gaming experience. :king:

Hope you enjoy Colonization II. :)

bob bobato
Sep 13, 2008, 07:15 PM
I love strategy games yet have never played any of the Civ titles so I am very excited.

:confused:Then how did you end up HERE?!?!?:confused:

i_diavolorosso
Sep 13, 2008, 07:30 PM
I excited with all sid's stuff

ACEofHeart
Sep 13, 2008, 09:19 PM
Loved all the Civ Titles,, but when Civ II came out it was a great time for PC strategy game lovers.. At that time great games like Master of Orion II , Steel Panthers , Jagged Alliance, Heroes of Might and Magic II, to name a few, kept us in turn-based heaven.. Sadly since the console arrival even a good turn-based game is hard to come by today, so Colonization is being very anticipated..

Padje Dog
Sep 13, 2008, 09:55 PM
I'm thinking CivCol will be too similar to the original. I love the look of the new graphics but after a few plays won't care so much about the pretty graphics. I should say I played the original alot.

What I am looking forward to is the Mods. I won't buy it until I see what the modding comunity does.

Sol_Invictus
Sep 13, 2008, 10:11 PM
I realize that I'm a freak for never playing Civ, but I tend more toward EUI-III, Lords of the Realm II, the AGEOD titles, Total War, Legion, and Spartan. Mainly the more historicly oriented strategy games. I never really felt drawn to Civ's more open, anything goes approach. Actually, the only Sid Meier game I ever really enjoyed was Pirate's Gold. One of my favorite games ever. I really can't remember why I passed on Colonization back in the day, but I fully intend to grab it this time around.:yup:

comtedemeighan
Sep 13, 2008, 10:35 PM
I'm very Excited about this so excited I joined the forums :)

bhoffarth
Sep 14, 2008, 08:49 AM
I realize that I'm a freak for never playing Civ, but I tend more toward EUI-III, Lords of the Realm II, the AGEOD titles, Total War, Legion, and Spartan. Mainly the more historicly oriented strategy games. I never really felt drawn to Civ's more open, anything goes approach. Actually, the only Sid Meier game I ever really enjoyed was Pirate's Gold. One of my favorite games ever. I really can't remember why I passed on Colonization back in the day, but I fully intend to grab it this time around.:yup:
I can understand why you enjoy games like EU 1-3 and AGEOD. Their historical accuracy appeals to me on many levels too. I can derive a great deal of satisfaction from beating the computer and especially a human in such a realistic representation of past events. Microprose and Firaxis games are not known to be the most historically accurate games available. Sid Meier has made it clear in several interviews that this is not his most important goal when he makes a game. However, Sid Meier and his team is a master at three gaming principals which are not always present in the games you mentioned.

1) He makes intuitive and easy to use interfaces. They allow you to learn how to play the game in very little time, but not easily master the strategy needed to win.
2) The graphics tend to be very sophisticated at the time when his games are released.
3) He inserts a "fun factor" that is important in this genre. This has often been described by others as the desire to play "just one more turn".

I would love to play a game that attains these three important qualities and is part of a historically accurate game. Sid Meier came closest to this with his Civil War games. Colonization will most likely not attain a high level of historical accuracy, but it will fun to play for a long time.

SoonerNation
Sep 14, 2008, 10:25 AM
I think I'm more excited about Colonization because it focuses on the Colonial Era, which interests me the most.

Sol_Invictus
Sep 14, 2008, 12:09 PM
bhoffarth, I guess that is why Colonization appeals to me more than Civ, at least there is a veneer of history within the game. I don't expect Colonization to be extremely accurate, but at least it has that flavor. I would also love to see Sid make a historicly accurate game. I played his Civil War and Napoleonic games, but they were less than ideal because of realtime. Seemed a bit hectic to me. Now if they had been similar to Combat Mission with a wego turn progression, I would be playing them to this day.

Berba
Sep 14, 2008, 01:05 PM
"I'm so exited".....
I think the shops in nyköping get the game on the 25th!!
I would see if I can buy it from there.... :king:

Sid
Sep 14, 2008, 03:11 PM
I'm excited; mainly because the expectations that I had from Civ4 weren't met. I'm hoping that something this pretty will still be an addictive and rewarding game.

Lord Chambers
Sep 15, 2008, 03:06 AM
I wish I could reach across the internet and punch you through this poll, that's how excited I am.

Berba
Sep 15, 2008, 05:28 AM
I wish I could reach across the internet and punch you through this poll, that's how excited I am.


Who do you want to punch??? :):):)
I think, hovever, it's illegal.. :):)


:):)

Honolulu Blue
Sep 15, 2008, 10:50 PM
How excited am I? Excited enough to finally sign up for this site so I could discuss the old & new game with like-minded individuals.

I'm glad I did. You guys have treated me well so far.

thelibra
Sep 19, 2008, 01:36 PM
I'm technically more excited about Col2, because I've had Civ4 for years now. Doesn't mean I don't love Civ4, it's just that Col2 is newer. When Civ5 comes out, I'm sure I'll be more excited about it.

Zhahz
Sep 19, 2008, 03:12 PM
I think I'm excited about the release of Civ4Col as much as I was about the release of Civ4 back then.

Same. I love Civ but I always loved colonization.

Colonization is my most anticipated title for the rest of the year, with fallout 3 not really being fallout and wotlk just being more of the (good but still) same.

bhoffarth
Sep 19, 2008, 08:54 PM
I certainly have enjoyed playing Civ IV, but I wonder if the detailed economic system will put Colonization over the top? It was this unanswered question that forced me to say I am equally excited between these two games. The enhanced graphics certainly will help make Colonization an enjoyable experience.

The imminent release has created one of those rare times when I would actually like the weekend to end sooner rather than later. :)

Lord Shadow
Sep 20, 2008, 07:34 AM
The imminent release has created one of those rare times when I would actually like the weekend to end sooner rather than later. :)
Same here! :lol:

Seen
Sep 20, 2008, 11:20 AM
How excited am I? Excited enough to finally sign up for this site so I could discuss the old & new game with like-minded individuals.

Same here :)

Been lurking for years but this was the final push. Also for some reason I missed that civ IV was to be released ( :blush: ) so didnt have to sit trough the agony of waiting with that one.

Apocalypto
Sep 20, 2008, 11:50 AM
I'm more excited about Colonization 2, although I have to say that BtS was the perfect Civ experience. Colonization is my all time favorite game, and it's the game I've always wanted them to remake or follow up on. I didn't expect that it would ever happen, so I was extremely happy to hear that they would.

At this point my blood is pretty much boiling over with expectation, can't wait!

bhoffarth
Sep 21, 2008, 08:40 AM
The poll is showing a trend where more people were excited about the release of Civilization IV than the immenant release of Colonization. Yet, we have not really heard from any of these poll voters. I'd love to know why they feel the way they do. :confused:

TheDS
Sep 21, 2008, 12:24 PM
1) He makes intuitive and easy to use interfaces. They allow you to learn how to play the game in very little time, but not easily master the strategy needed to win.
I would have to disagree. I'd say that Sid's team designs the minimum interface needed to do the job, and that's it. Any intuitiveness is an accident. The game concept and mechanics are what make it easy to win, hard to master.

Civ4 is rife with poor interface design! Firaxis has shunned simple innovations left and right, just to get it out the door, simply because they felt that modders could fix all their mistakes. Modders can't fix these mistakes.

Railroad Tycoon required a separate Macro program to cut the wasted time building late-game station buildings to under 5 minutes. WTF? I hear that Railroads was a step backwards, making people think that even RT3 was good in comparison. WTF? I won't touch it. Alpha Centauri got almost unmanageable in the late game. Colonization spins out of control in just 100 turns! I like most of Sid's games, but for the love of pizza, man, hire someone who can do an interface!

I will therefore wait, and try a demo before laying out any cash. I don't feel like rewarding laziness and stupidity any more.

Lord Shadow
Sep 21, 2008, 12:32 PM
I really haven't had any problem with the interfaces of Sid's games. I haven't played the latest Railroad Tycoon, but that's not my cup of tea.

Apocalypto
Sep 21, 2008, 01:06 PM
I would have to disagree. I'd say that Sid's team designs the minimum interface needed to do the job, and that's it. Any intuitiveness is an accident. The game concept and mechanics are what make it easy to win, hard to master.

Civ4 is rife with poor interface design! Firaxis has shunned simple innovations left and right, just to get it out the door, simply because they felt that modders could fix all their mistakes. Modders can't fix these mistakes.

Railroad Tycoon required a separate Macro program to cut the wasted time building late-game station buildings to under 5 minutes. WTF? I hear that Railroads was a step backwards, making people think that even RT3 was good in comparison. WTF? I won't touch it. Alpha Centauri got almost unmanageable in the late game. Colonization spins out of control in just 100 turns! I like most of Sid's games, but for the love of pizza, man, hire someone who can do an interface!

I will therefore wait, and try a demo before laying out any cash. I don't feel like rewarding laziness and stupidity any more.

I haven't really had any problems with the interface. After we got building queues and some sort of automation, things got a lot better. The old colonization gets pretty tiresome late in the game, having to run through 20-30 alerts and building selections before each turn, but that's been fixed now in newer games.

What I find has ruined some games for me, more so than the interface, is the lack of attention paid to the power of exponential functions over time. Effects increasing over time, as you get more cities and buildings then increase those effects by some percentile, for example the way pollution was in Civ3. Having to send 20-30 guys out to clean up pullution every turn ruined the game in later stages. And in Alpha Centauri, having to get rid of all those "indigenous lifeforms" every turn would be another example.

It seems much of that has been addressed in later games. BtS not only removed those problems, but it further enhanced later game stages by introducing new concepts like corporations etc. In my view, the most important part of game testing would be to make sure that the later stages work just as well and are just as fun as the early stages in the game. BtS was great in that regard, and I'm hoping the late stages of Col2 will be a lot more fun than they were in the origianl Col.

Ellestar
Sep 22, 2008, 05:13 AM
I didn't like Civ 3 so i didn't expect much from Civ 4, but i ended playing Civ 4 more than any other game i played. But i prefered Colonization to Civilization so i'm more excited about Col2 than about Civ 4.

cephalo
Sep 22, 2008, 09:20 AM
One more day... hell ya I'm excited.

much2much
Sep 22, 2008, 09:29 AM
Its hard to explain why I remember Colonization as being great fun. I think it was partly the supply chain which Civ4 doesn't have at all.

As an Aussie American history doesn't really interest me so their is no grab factor there.

These days my nostalgia for the original helps but I also prefer the objective. Civ4 is too sandbox and spammable I think. The objectives are so far off it becomes about just getting yourself a bit of a tip of the balance. Colonization's balancing aspect of taxation going up as you sell more means you will have to manage trading with natives and other powers well.

Lord Chambers
Sep 22, 2008, 10:30 AM
The poll is showing a trend where more people were excited about the release of Civilization IV than the immenant release of Colonization. Yet, we have not really heard from any of these poll voters. I'd love to know why they feel the way they do. :confused:
I am not one such voter, but perhaps it's because Civ4 was a new game in the series and Colonization is a remake. We've already played Colonization. I look forward to playing it again, but I'm not excited.