To be honest, i can't see that this game may have a big, dedicated fanbase (unless it's for making creatures) for a long time. :sad:

Lets have the subforum open for a few more weeks, so that people can vent their frustration and then close it :mischief:

It is not a failure, same stages lack things but i have many people say they love a stage and hate the rest, but as shown by the Best Stage thread, there is a diverse range of love hate stages. Some people think it is a failure, some people love the game. It has already got many more post then some of the other games in the OTHER GAME forum.

Look at the sales numbers in a few weeks. You may be surprised to find that it is selling well.

Look at the sales numbers in a few weeks. You may be surprised to find that it is selling well.

That would not be surprising as people are unlikely to return the game even if they are ultimately disappointed by it and this probably wouldn't be reflected into the sales figures anyway. Given all the hype it should sell very well although people might be a bit cautious when they release one of the famous expansions.

Still doesnt mean it's good. Halo 3 sold like hotcakes yet it was barely mediocre in quality.

I like spore. It's a good game - what are you smoking

This subforum will probably go the way of the Sid Meier's Railroads subforum - eventually, all the complainers will get bored and leave, and it'll be quiet, but not dead. So TF may as well leave it here.

Perhaps move it below NES, though, because NES is (or will be) more active.

Wait how come we want to get rid of the Spore subforum but Sim Meier's Railroads and Rise of Nations are still up? :mad:

I think the Spore subforum will serve as a place to put our AAR's if we so like.

What are you taking about? Spore is an amazing game. You might not like it, but that doesn't mean everyone hates it. The thing with Spore is it caters more to the builder/creater-type and less to the action/event-type. Sure, it might not be worth hours of playtime on end, but I can easilly see myself going back and playing it a few hours each week.

Nah, I will play Spore on a monthly basis for the future, probably creating random things to pass time at times. And I find it nice to have a place to discuss it here, especially to check on other people's creatures and stuff.

Agreed- I would say that Spore, while not everything I hoped and dreamed, is still a damn good game that I am still just beginning to play.

keep the forum open, there may not be as much traffic as in the Civ forums, but the game is still worth a look

Saying it is a failure is subject to opinion. Since there are a lot of Spore fans here on CFC, the forum should stay open. Should the Civ I forum be closed? That can't be frequented that often now.

Saying it is a failure is subject to opinion. Since there are a lot of Spore fans here on CFC, the forum should stay open. Should the Civ I forum be closed? That can't be frequented that often now.

Spore failed to deliver what it promised in 05, because EA are money-whores.

What was it supposed to deliver on 05? Oh wise one

It is not a failure, same stages lack things but i have many people say they love a stage and hate the rest, but as shown by the Best Stage thread, there is a diverse range of love hate stages. Some people think it is a failure, some people love the game. It has already got many more post then some of the other games in the OTHER GAME forum.

I disagree.
Nope, I think this is an absolute failure.
Potential or not, this game sucks.
Purely.

I love this game, but then I can still play rail road tycoon and sim city for hours. I don't play games every day so maybe thats why it isn't getting on me that I don't like tribal that much, but the other stages more than make up for it to me.

A lot of people think civ 4 sucks, or think bts sucks.

I love this game, but then I can still play rail road tycoon and sim city for hours. I don't play games every day so maybe thats why it isn't getting on me that I don't like tribal that much, but the other stages more than make up for it to me.

A lot of people think civ 4 sucks, or think bts sucks.

My nephew loves Civ 4 AND bts. In fact, it's the most underrated game of my family line. Had they knew the potential, they would ditch the 2nd rate The Sims 2 from thier minds.

I do feel some games are too in-depth for them, and some refuse to catch the steep learning curb, even if the game is overall a far superior game.

Spore is a complete and utter failure gameplay wise, even with it's patch. And EA should avoid even considering accommodating making a sequel.

Oh, I think we'll see tons of expansions before a sequel.

EA doesn't care if a game is good or bad. All that's important is that it sells well. There's no art in Electronic Arts anymore.

Oh, I think we'll see tons of expansions before a sequel.

I agree. Remember the Command & Conquer and The Sims series? One expansion after another, kinda like a conveyor belt.

I had The Sims series in mind. C&C games tend to have just one expansion most of the time.

The upside is Spore might get more complete (not expanded) as the expansions come out. The downside is the EA will probably charge no less than 20-30 USD per expansion. Nice tactic there: release an unfinished game and then charge customers further to 'complete' it. Worst case scenario: players will be pretty much forced to buy them or give up the online component of the game (similar to World of Warcraft expansions: buy or lag behind).

As for the subforum, well, the ones that exist beside these share the similarity of being about reasonably deep strategy games (don't know about Railroads, but it was at least made by Sid Meier). Spore is as deep as a puddle, and calling it strategy is like calling my kindergarten doodles artistic masterpieces comparable to the Mona Lisa.

However, this debate needs a poll to really reflect how many people want the forum to remain and how many want it to disappear. :p

C&C games tend to have just one expansion most of the time.

They did (http://www.mobygames.com/game-group/command-conquer-games)? I just lumped them all together unless they had a 2 or 3 in the title. :p

As for whether or not this subforum should continue to exist, I suppose there will always be Spore enthusiasts no matter how bad many feel the game to be. So despite my own lack of enthusiasm for the game, I don't begrudge the fans who have a place here to share their gaming experiences.

There are many different games in that list, with a few expansions, a lot of bundles and unofficial mission packs.

Back to topic, I have nothing against the fans themselves, but the question is: why does Spore belong in a community like CivFanatics? Is it merely because it has a stage named Civilization or because it shows the progress of a species (more than a civ) across the ages, no matter how barebones and lackluster it might be along the whole process?

I don't know. Fans do have the right to a forum where they can discuss the game, but, and this is just my opinion, this doesn't seem to be the place for it, given Spore's characteristics. Perhaps it'll get better in the future, with 3 expansions slapped on it, and be worthy of its place here. But in the end, again, this is my personal opinion and have no authority nor say in this matter. Whether the subforum stays or goes changes nothing for me. I'm much more active in the main ones.

They did (http://www.mobygames.com/game-group/command-conquer-games)? I just lumped them all together unless they had a 2 or 3 in the title. :p

As for whether or not this subforum should continue to exist, I suppose there will always be Spore enthusiasts no matter how bad many feel the game to be. So despite my own lack of enthusiasm for the game, I don't begrudge the fans who have a place here to share their gaming experiences.

No Command and conquer game other than RA1 has gotten more than one xpac. EA bought Westwood before CNC Zero hour

;7264050']No Command and conquer game other than RA1 has gotten more than one xpac. EA bought Westwood before CNC Zero hour

After the original C&C, there were so many C&C releases (including C&C clones) that I quit buying any of them. I mean who wants 1,000 similar games? That's just overkill to the max IMO.

Back to topic, I have nothing against the fans themselves, but the question is: why does Spore belong in a community like CivFanatics?....

I see what you mean. Spore isn't part of the Civilization or Sid Meier "family" at all.

I see what you mean. Spore isn't part of the Civilization or Sid Meier "family" at all.

It's part of the Soren Johnson family.

Lucy Bradshaw has comfirmed (http://sporedum.net/2008/09/12/spore-expansions/)that their will be expansions (no duh... its EA), and Will Wright has also talked about it (http://sporedum.net/2008/09/19/will-wright-spore-2-and-expansions/).

Yes, there will be xpacs. Unless you have your head stuck in a Soup Can, you probably should know this by now. It's a comon thing

Well, I play both games because I roleplay things, and the massive scale of each game is quite similar.

I wanna thank the mod gods for keepin this open. Now I can confirm what Ive heard through local back channel here, where informed sources vent in from across the world.
We civ fans are formost a world class focus group on strategy games if there ever was one. Opinion heres beats the corrupt sub'sid'uarys online reveiw companies so If you guys say it sucks then so be it. I trust you the majority

I just saved money man!. Dam EA sucks. They got sued for not payin whats due, 30 million plus intrest.
One letter from a distressed wife of high ranking employee revealed hubby was bogged down on a 6 day 12 hour day work week that lead to family and his personal health rapid decline.
Mind you try working in a mine and see what 20 days straight of 12hrs isolated can do to the mind ;)) Still for a MIT computer geek thats pritty absurd and it shows the moral these guys had when they sqeezed out this collosal turd :D

Im also delighted that the one who ruined civ4 and ran to EA, Sorren 'I have a 3d dream'" Johnson, brought the bad stink there way like he dished Civ 4 some nasty over-bloated gameplay
Makes you respect civ3, going strong all these years on such little pay