I can't seem to make it worthwhile, what am I doing wrong? They'll offer me like 300 gold for 100 cigars. And is there a way to only offer to sell 10?

sell what they want... early on rest assured that is guns and horses... but later on after you talk with a chief and the city becomes revealed to you what they really want is in the small circle.

Ooo nice, didn't notice the small circle - will hafta look for that.

And is there a way to only offer to sell 10?

I haven't found one - this is a design oversight and hopefully it gets enough attention that it gets updated in the first patch. Having to send my wagon train back to the city to dump all but what I'd like to sell instead of selling everything is lame. I mean, I bring 100 cloth and I arrive and find that they only have 140g, so I hafta go back to my city, dump all but what they can afford to get a decent price.

Haven't tried it yet but it may be possible to put their 140g on the left side and ask what would you be willing to trade...

The individual tribes do have limited gold, so if you trade with them alot they will run out and start making rediculously low offers even for stuff they want. Once I had a galleon full of random finished goods that had to escape the Man O Wars in my home waters and I wanted to try and at least make some money since I couldn't go to Europe. I sold cloth and rum for about 700 each, then the settlement switched to wanting cigars. When I then offered cigars, the offer was 10 gold for 100 cigars. :lol: I think they accumulate like 10 gold per turn.

I can't seem to make it worthwhile, what am I doing wrong? They'll offer me like 300 gold for 100 cigars. And is there a way to only offer to sell 10?

press shift en then drop the goods in the trade, a box will show up asking you to enter the amount of goods you wanna trade.

press shift en then drop the goods in the trade, a box will show up asking you to enter the amount of goods you wanna trade.

I tried doing that it didnt seem to allow me to do that in the trade screen but i can always give it another shot.

Also here is way to pump up the indians money. You can always buy everything they have in extra supplies (aka tobacco, furs, etc.). Then they will probably have a least a few hundred extra in their treasury, which you can then get back by selling your goods.

Of course this would all be easier if it allowed you to trade goods and cash at the same time. Why that is not allowed is beyond me.

Try buying silver from the native's. Just look for a village with a peak or silver deposit next to it. Usually you can buy for 5 gold and sell it back in europe for 19. I did this in a game and flooded the silver market so much by buying all silver of entire south america that the market price eventually dropped to 6.

Also tools and guns can make a nice profit, if you are willing to run the risk of armed brave's.

Also tools and guns can make a nice profit, if you are willing to run the risk of armed brave's.

Until they have a gold. Very-very soon they will badly want your goods, but have only something about 10 gold pices at hand...

It will be nice patch/mod if indians will recieve extra gold in their coffers after recieving goods they wish...

Or simple if indians will generate golds each turn very fast :)

As now I see no reason to trade with indians except the beginning of the game.

What ive noticed, natives start out with circa 3k gold (normal speed). If u sell a bunch of weapons at start, theyll spend all their money and wont get more that fast (if at all).

Yes, it is possible to sell only 10. Go to city screen, shift click and drag a trade good to your boat/wagon and choose 10. But if u have 300 tons of goods in your ship, you cant sell only 10 of them to natives. (might be a bug, or the natives see, that you have more and want it all :P)

the trick to trading with the indians is to buy what they have in addition to selling what you have, that way you repenlish there gold and still make a profit on the goods you sell and buy from them.

the trick to trading with the indians is to buy what they have in addition to selling what you have, that way you repenlish there gold and still make a profit on the goods you sell and buy from them.

And what the Idea? With this strategy I will recieve back my own gold. No any profit at all.

Only possible revenue - to sell recieved goods to Europe, but there are boycottes.

In col1 Indians become usefull trade partners (and gold income!) in middle-late game when Europe have boycottes or just have very low prices.

In game are only 2 valuable resource :
1. Gold - to buy specialists and have big game score
2. Ore - to make tools & guns to win the war. But it is not too uncommon.

Point. All other resources are needed only as source of gold. If you have no gold income from trading with indians - this trading is pointless.

this trading is pointless.

I agree, their money just runs out too fast. It would be nice if there was an option to trade goods for goods instead of only being able to trade for money.

And what the Idea? With this strategy I will recieve back my own gold. No any profit at all.

Ex - buy guns in europe - 100 for 700g. Sell to natives for ~1600g (900g profit). Buy whatever the natives sell, say 100 tobacco at 3g ea (900-300 = still got a 600g profit and 100 resources), take it a cigar making city, convert to cigars, make more profit. You make even more money and don't totally deplete the natives. They'll still run out of cash, but a smidge slower. Even if you just sell the tobacco/whatever to europe you'll usually profit since the buy price is probably lower than the sell price.

A lot of natives want horses early and those are cheap from europe early - you can triple your money or so with them. But then you have mounted braves and if war breaks out - you've done what our genius US govt does and equipped what turns out to be your enemies.

The natives are...natives, not capitalist europeans - it's kind of silly that they have 1000's of gold to begin with (maybe it represents treasures or whatever) so IMO they should have finite resources.

Natives during the colonial period weren't a source of infinite wealth. I think it's represented pretty well - you can quickly run them out of cash but you can use them over time as an extra source of raw materials if you want to, which you can convert into greater wealth if you want to.

I have tried to sell them only 10 resources and it seems imposible... tried shift, as always has been, but nope.

I have tried to sell them only 10 resources and it seems imposible... tried shift, as always has been, but nope.

the trick is to use shift when you put the resources on the ship. you cant do it when youre already trading.

Ex - buy guns in europe - 100 for 700g. Sell to natives for ~1600g (900g profit). Buy whatever the natives sell, say 100 tobacco at 3g ea (900-300 = still got a 600g profit and 100 resources), take it a cigar making city, convert to cigars, make more profit.


1. if there no boycotte
2. if they have enough materials to sell (i often see only something like 27 tobacco)
3. you do not know what goods they will have. It's more profitable not to bother with it at all and grow tobacco in you cities.

Really - see like it was in Col1. Much more entertainig. And buy raw materias from natives in col1 was effective too.


A lot of natives want horses early and those are cheap from europe early - you can triple your money or so with them. But then you have mounted braves and if war breaks out - you've done what our genius US govt does and equipped what turns out to be your enemies.


1. Early. Yes, early trade is ok and tested a little. Do you trade in middle of the game? What is this 38 tobacco from natives for me, if I send galleon full with all kinds of goods every 3-4 turns?
2. When I start WoI Kings army wipe all my nearest indian allies at second turn.


The natives are...natives, not capitalist europeans - it's kind of silly that they have 1000's of gold to begin with (maybe it represents treasures or whatever) so IMO they should have finite resources.


1. It is not fully true - natives have other values then europeans. They did not value gold, silver and gems extremely high. They have plenty of gold (espetially in Middle and South America) but value it much less then steel, for example.
2. I wish fun game, not history simulator.


Natives during the colonial period weren't a source of infinite wealth.

Really??? And what is the Spanish Gold? Historically, Spain recieve enormous profits from natives. They take the way of marauding, robbery and enslavement. It's intresting to try to take the way of cooperation.
And as I say - there must be fun, not exact history simulation.

yeah natives should replenish their gold. it's pointless to establish regular trade with them only to see it end 30-40 years because they are broke

As long as you make even the smallest profit of what you buy from the natives, heck if you break even it's worth it since trading improves relations with the natives. Even if you lose a little money it can be worth it to get the money back for free by getting more gold in your next arms/horses sale if you've almost drained their gold reserves and you need a cash inflow asap.

Also: make the trading extensive. When you've drained the gold of one tribe trade with the next and so on, then you can come back after a time. Try to be the first to trade with Incans and Aztecs as they have a of money.

the trick is to use shift when you put the resources on the ship. you cant do it when youre already trading.

Well, yes that works, but its just a walkaround for a bug. I still will expect a patch.