Welcome to the Bank!
Im taking this moment to become the first thread of the RPG forum.
Here is the Bank Standard:
100GPT standard pay

+50 for pres

+40 for Leader and Vice Pres

+30 for Deputies, chatreps and govonors

+20 for non-goverment poistions(IE: Citizen regisry, Citizen Honors)

+20 for Honored Citizens AND MAYORS

+10 for other low goverment poistions.

NOTE
Assistant bankers needed! Its a paying job! 2gpt!

PM me if interested

Also, all busineses, im multiplying your prices by 10. This is to go with the change.

Hehe. I am still confused about how to calculate the pension, and I am going to keep bugging you until you explain it to me.:p

i already did it for you. check under DG I for your pension. Now quit it!

What would an assistant banker have to do? I might be willing to dot hat job.

SMaM i thought we had a poll and decided on the other standard

Originally posted by Stuck_As_a_Mac
Please put your pension in your citizen registry.
I've put a pension section in the optional info list of the registry as well as a link to this thread.

So i calculate my pension as:
5t chatop=5*2=10
4t honoured citizen=4*2=8
4t census office=4*2=8
3t head of geo-soc=3*2=6
2t mayor of delphi=2*1=2
10 base
this will propably(!) total to 44*3=132
is that right?
some questions:
* nothing for group leader? (i hope so)
* is there an extra bonus for ranking in honours? (i was nominated three times and reached highest rank)
* mayors get less than offices? hmmm...
* what is the difference between non-governmental and low-governmental positions? remember the offices are governmental positions. maybe you should put the non-gov on 1 and the low gov on 2gpt and define the offices as low-gov-positions?

Originally posted by Stuck_As_a_Mac
i already did it for you. check under DG I for your pension. Now quit it!

Now my pension is going to be a problem. I have the second largest formor mandate list (next to dis). (also does term 1 stuff count.... you never did make that clear to me) Here's my info:

10+4+2+2+2+1=21.... and I feel like I'm missing some stuff, but anyway 21x3(I think)= 63

If it's all my jobs through out the game it will be:

10+3+3+4+4+4+4+3+1+1+2+2+2+2+2=
47x3= 141

well someone is gonna be just a tiny bit well off

What's x3? 3 Terms? Where'd the 10 go? I thought it was supposed to be just the amount over 10.

Originally posted by Strider

Now my pension is going to be a problem. I have the second largest formor mandate list (next to dis).

Now wait a minute you young whippersnapper. Former mandate:

Term 1: Chat rep for Trade Dept.
Term 1: original census taker
Term 1: Mayor of Fox Nest
Term 2: Domestic Deputy
Term 2: Domestic Leader
Term 2: Mayor of Fox Nest
Term 3: President
Term 3: Mayor of Fox Nest
Term 4: Governor of Istar
Term 4: Mayor of Fox Nest
Term 5: Vice President
Term 5: Mayor of Fox Nest

Can I base my pension on all this? (I'm looking to buy a nice house, settle down and raise a family.)

You want to see mine?

Term 1: Science Chat rep
Term 2: Science Deputy
Term 3: Science Leader
Term 3: Trade deputy
Term 3: Citizen Honors Manager
Term 4: Science Leader
Term 4: Vice President
Term 4: Citizen Honors Manager
Term 4: Demogame RPG Manager
Term 4: Mayor of Tsingtao
Term 5: Science Leader
Term 5: Citizen Honors Manager
Term 5: Demogame RPG manager
Term 5: Mayor of tsingtao

So does moderator count towards our income?

he-he-he. I kinda doubt it. But can't Mods break into the vault through the back door?

Originally posted by Cyc
he-he-he. I kinda doubt it. But can't Mods break into the vault through the back door?

Maybe they can be....convinced. I guess I could 'break in' to the vault, but I much prefer to have a legitimate income. Considering this is an extra forum we have to moderate, I think we should get paid for it.;)

Ok, now what about giving all people the same starting money? This will get ridiculous if we try to calculate the term1 values for all of us (i dont even know if i can remember all my jobs).
This is a totally new feature, so why not give everybody 100 gold to start with?

(think of it as a reformation of currency. when they changed from reichsmark to deutsche mark every1 got 20).

Originally posted by eyrei
So does moderator count towards our income?
We get paid as non-government officials. ;)

Hmmm.... so what does irrespponsible plexus get?

Governor of Ameri= 3*3=9
Mayor of San Francisco= 1*3=3
Deputy of Foreign Affairs= 3*3=9

Hmmm... 51g pension lol, somehow this doesn't seem fair in my case... not that i'm complaining :)

plexus: you forgot to add the 10*3 base pay. so it will be 51. and its not gpt, its GOLD. you will have to earn gpt this game ;-) pensions of the p-land are one-time payments.
i still would like to have an equal start for every1...

ok, i get it now :)

One last time. This is way harder than it needs to be.

Base pay, 5 terms: 10 x 5 = 50
Leader, 5 terms: 4 x 5 = 20
Mayor, 5 terms: 1 x 5 = 5
1st honor, 4 terms: 2 x 4 = 8
2nd honor, 3 terms: 2 x 3 = 6
Mod, 1 term: 2 x 1 = 2

50+20+5+8+6+2 = 91
91*3 = 273

Is that correct?

Originally posted by disorganizer
Ok, now what about giving all people the same starting money? This will get ridiculous if we try to calculate the term1 values for all of us (i dont even know if i can remember all my jobs).
This is a totally new feature, so why not give everybody 100 gold to start with?

(think of it as a reformation of currency. when they changed from reichsmark to deutsche mark every1 got 20).

No, let's do the pension - I have to refigure mine though because I only calculated it on my current job. (Oh, I'd better refigure it before I lose my VP job. :) ).

When you redo the currency doesn't how much new money you get still depend on how much old money you have?

@donsig: most of the time, NO. except like when the euro came. the RM was exchanged due to high inflation... so it was worth almost nothing. it was a start from plain.

@all:
do we add the 10gpt per turn we were in the game? then i would have much more!
34+5*10=84*3=252!

and i also noticed, as i was honoured 3 times (i think), i would propably total to even much more:

1st was already in
2nd=3turns=3*2=6
3rd=2turns=2*2=4
which would total to 44+5*10=94*3=282!
im rich!

BUT AGAIN:
as this is pretty unfair to new citizens, i really would like to see a fixed pension=starting balance for all citizens upon registration as citizen. it would make things easier for the bank and would equal starting grounds for all of us.

What about a loans office for the bank? People could request money, we'd charge a certain amount of interest per certain amoun tof time (I'm thinking turn chat, but any other would be fine) if so I'd be happy to be the loans officer. They'd borrow money for a home, a specific tile, etc. So what does any one else htink?

Opposite loans, what about interest bearing accounts? I don't intend to keep my money in a mattress! :)

I'd also be happy to take care of that, now who's in charge of this bank?

SAaM

Then I shall wait for him.

he hasnt been on for a few days he might be sick on holiday or something else or at chool so you best keep waiting

Very well, then wait I shall.

ok then as i am also waiting as i said i would help as much as i could on the website

Sorry, gentlemen...the bank closes in 10 minutes. You'll have to come back tomorrow...

people, its 1.5. not 3

base pay DOES NOT COUNT. repeat- does not.
and assistants would help update after the turn chats. PM me if you want in to a 3gpt job (im taking, at max, 2)

What about a loans officer? Think I could be that?

if your willing to divide up the census, taking A-N, and updating their pay every turn chat, getting three extra gpt (deputy) and giving loans with 5% interest, pm me and ill give it to you

curufinwe is the assistant manager. his job is listed above.

Thread stickied at a charge of 5 gold.:lol:

Originally posted by eyrei
Thread stickied at a charge of 5 gold.:lol:

Ok... Eyrei so you pay a tax of 56 gold correct :)

Originally posted by Strider


Ok... Eyrei so you pay a tax of 56 gold correct :)

No. I am still well under the poverty line.:eek: Seriously though, since mods are barred from holding most government positions, I think we should be compensated for our mod duties. It requires more work than the leaders of most citizen groups, and even some of the elected positions.:sheep:

okay. you get the pay of a leader. (+4 gpt)
and well give you a nice house and car (when available)

Nice!:cool: I new the sheep would work.:crazyeye:

Originally posted by Stuck_As_a_Mac
people, its 1.5. not 3

What are you talking about? The tripling? Do we get the pension based on all terms we were in the demo game or just he last one? Base pay doesn't count? I think we need a new thread: Calculating Pensions 101. :confused:

Ok... So i would make this:
Term1:
Science Leader=4gpt
Term2:
Science Leader=4gpt
Term3:
Science Deputy=3gpt
Citizen Honor=2gpt
Term4:
Science Deputy=3gpt
Governer of Kashmir=3gpt
Mayor of Civanatoria=1gpt
Citizen Honor=2gpt
Citizen Honor=2gpt
Term5:
Science Deputy=3gpt
Citizen Honor=2gpt
Citizen Honor=2gpt
Mayor of Civanatoria=1gpt
(?)Leader of the IDA

RPG Organizer=2gpt

Total: 34
34*3= 102

is that right?

Ok, let's see...

Term 2 - Trade Leader = 4gpt
Term 3 - Trade Leader = 4gpt
Term 3 - Vice President = 3gpt?
Term 4 - President = 5gpt
Term 5 - President = 5gpt
Term 5 - Mayor of Xinjiang = 1gpt

22*3 = 66g

...

Let me get this right:

Term 4:
Mayor of El Armana 1gpt
(Do Asphinxian honors count?) Asphinxia honor 2gpt
Standard pay 10 gpt
Term 5:
Mayor of El Armana 1gpt
Military Deputy gpt 3gpt
Standard pay 10gpt

27*3= 81 gold

I'm now assistant for finances and head of Loans. Loans are up to 1000g, and 5% interest is cahrged per turn chat (I believe)

Umm... what's this Standard Pay?

Originally posted by Chieftess
Umm... what's this Standard Pay?

I think it is around 10 gpt.

Time to figure it out :):

Term 1:
Science Chat Rep +1
Term 2:
Science Deputy +3
Term 3:
Science Leader +4
Trade Deputy +3Citizen Honors Manager +2
Term 4:
Science Leader +4
Vice President +4
Citizen Honors Manager +2
Honor +2
Demogame RPG manager +2
Term 5:
Science Leader +4
Demogame RPG manager +2
Citizen Honors Manager +2
Honor +2

= 38

if there is a standard pay i woug get an extra 150 gold for my 5 terms x3

now this is silly. we need central calculation of the pensions. otherwise i will just put 1000 gold up for mine...

civinator: only the HEADS are counted. you just had a helper position, which does not earn you any money.

i again want to discuss deleting the pensions. i also want to discuss having the non-government/mayor/low-government ratios changed.
this paylist was just put up without any approval. if it was not, show me the poll about it.
otherwise i refuse accepting it.

I second disorganizer's call for a centralized official pension accounting.

I'll third that. I've tried to figure mine too many times. I give up.

how about we just take everything we make and don't multiply it? but for people who make UNDER 10 gold multiply by 3? I think that should make it a little easier, or they just add 10 gold to there pay?

IE:
I make 3gpt, so i would mutliply by 3 making a salary of 9gpt
OR:
I make 3gpt and i add 10gpt to make it 13gpt.

Originally posted by CivGeneral


I think it is around 10 gpt.

I mean, what's it used for? When do you use it in your calculations? Is it every term?

how often is the GPT paid?

Originally posted by curufinwe
how often is the GPT paid?
After each chat turn.

Chat Turn as in game turn or Turn chat?

so that means i get paid 10 times in one night?

so pension is once i would make 96 gpt one turn and then make 32 gpt the rest of them?

Turn chat, I'm assuming. Otherwise we'll all be swimming in so much cash it'll be devalued.

yah that seems right.

Ok, so the 10gpt is *not* part of the pension?

NO!

i guess not. So with the 1.5 pension i get 48 and then i get 32 the rest?

Near as I can figure, the current pension scheme is to add up all of your "extras" from the entire game 1. That's the extra cash for being in office, being in charge of maps, getting honored, etc. Don't take the base pay - it doesn't go into the pension.

When you've added all of that up you multiply it by 1.5 or 2. Multiply by 1.5 if you are running for election in Game 2, term 1. Multiply by 2 if you are retiring from the government at the end of game 1.

So if you were the leader of a citizen group for 5 terms, department leader for 2 terms and pres for 2 terms you would have:
5 x 1 = 5 (citizen group)
2 x 4 = 8 (dept leader)
2 x 5 = 10 (pres)
Total 5+8+10 = 23.
If you're retiring you would have 23 x 2 = 46 pension.
If you're running in T1 of G2 you would have 23 x 1.5 = 35

Note that this is my understanding of it and it's entirely possible that I'm completely wrong as this whole thing is giving me a massive headache.

:)

We still need verification that that is his will therefore please leave all pension calculation to a further date in which this is figured out thank you have a nice day.

Originally posted by Shaitan

After each chat turn. Hmm, now all this sounds VERY unfair... why would our pension be paid EVERY turnchat? I thought it was a One Time sum... and to base our "Salary" on the last game is just wrong. It should ONLY be based on this game.

Originally posted by Grey Fox
Hmm, now all this sounds VERY unfair... why would our pension be paid EVERY turnchat? I thought it was a One Time sum... and to base our "Salary" on the last game is just wrong. It should ONLY be based on this game.
Pension is a one time thing. He was asking when we get paid the base salary in game 2.

IT IS! Pension is paid once, she was talking about our normal salaries! Therefore please do NOT continue these questions, all information is in prior posts. THank you and have a nice day.

ok. My pension is 64 cause i am not running for office because of RL. that was 32x2=64. I get payed that first? and then 32 each other time?

Please don't give curufinwe a heart attack.

Once pension is received, that calculation and everything about those figures goes away. Salary for game 2 is strictly based on what you do in game 2.

Please wait for all questions until SAAM comes back. Thank you have a nice day

OOOHHHH. so now i just make 1gpt, crap!

CIVANATOR! listen to what I've said, I've said that we'll work on clearing this all up when SAAM gets here. Therefore please refrain from posts concerning that! Any more and I'll request Shaitan to delete them. Have a nice day.

Originally posted by Civanator
OOOHHHH. so now i just make 1gpt, crap!

Please honor curufinwe's request and hold these questions until they can be answered definitively by SAaM. Thank you.

Suggestions are allowed people. Therefore I'm giving one:
Why not savings accounts, that pay interest depending on one factor. A minimum amount you can have. THis limits the amount of money they have accesible and if they go down they get a different percentage of interest. This is paid per turn chat like loan interest is. Say, Minimum 10-2 percent (which is next to nothing) minimum25-3 etc.

Originally posted by curufinwe
Suggestions are allowed people. Therefore I'm giving one:
Why not savings accounts, that pay interest depending on one factor. A minimum amount you can have. THis limits the amount of money they have accesible and if they go down they get a different percentage of interest. This is paid per turn chat like loan interest is. Say, Minimum 10-2 percent (which is next to nothing) minimum25-3 etc.

Sounds like a great idea :D

I could be incharge of that.

will i get all the money i earn from my trabsportation store?exept the 10 gold tax?

I try it again (it hard to get thru to you):

Why dont we just give all the same starting amount and thats it?
We dont even have a independent archive who was in which non governmental position when... or do we?

or who was chat-rep for who when and which low governmental positions were held or who was mayor for which city....

so this is senseless imho.

lets start with 100 gold for all. this would also be fair for new citizens.
no pension, i say!

also you wouldnt get 1gpt you would get 11 cos it is 10 base pay if people just read through the threads they would find out their questions and wouldnt need to post as much in this thread

i think nobody really understood this thing ;-)

no, they didn't

I just want to say that the whole idea of a pension is a bad idea. Let's start fresh.

I would urgently like to request a change of the banking standard:
1) no pension. it is just too complicated.


2) change of payments:
10GPT standard pay

+5 for pres
+4 for Leader and Vice Pres
+3 for Deputies, chatreps and govonors
+2 for mayors and office heads (IE: Citizen regisry, Citizen Honors, Prison)

+2 for Honored Citizens

+1 for non-goverment poistions and office deputies

census office and all other offices ARE governmental positions.

i agree with no pension but to, late to change wages cos sales items have been set accordingley to other prices

well, its just the point the naming was wrong. non-governmental shold be changed to governmental (well, the mayors i put up to 2gpt also).
the deputies of the offices got nothing in the version in the 1st post btw. now they would get 1gpt.

I support Disorganizer's new payment plan cause mayors are important ;)

I don't think that chat reps should be making as much as governors and deputies. They are the understudies to the deputies and not elected, ever.

I agree with Shaitan. And Disorganizer, as honourable as your ideas are, there is competition. I'm afraid that it will likely not be accepted as law, though it does stand a chance.

What about Citizens Groups?

i second that. this would than be:

1) no pension. it is just too complicated.


2) change of payments:
10GPT standard pay

+5 for pres
+4 for Leader and Vice Pres
+3 for Deputies and govonors
+2 for chat-representatives, mayors and office heads (IE: Citizen regisry, Citizen Honors, Prison Director)
+2 for Honored Citizens
+1 for non-goverment poistions and office deputies (IE: chat deputy, prison ward)

ill accept the mayor thing, but the pension is just one turn. we do it for 1 turn and its over.

note- im adjusting the mayor thing now

its been updated. see the site- under this name @yahoo

could you please post a link?

http://www.geocities.com/stuck_as_a_mac/
heres my baby

the prices for transportation in ancient times is incorrect, see t/w's thread.

just sayin, i created the upgrade price. its only for if you upgrade.
and as for prices, thats what i recieved

SAAm, many questions have been asked baout the details of the pension, please answer ASAP.

i have now become the item keeper so ill decide how much it will cost for a shop to get a item in his shop, when i have done that i think the prices will become right.
oh, and wats wrong with my prices?should it be more expensive?i tried to do them so that everybody could afford a slightly better than a normal horse.

SAaM where are my items i have PMd them to strider they are in my thread and it is not up there also i should have the marketplace and bank by today

SaaM:
anther slight change: exchange low-government and non-government in you paylist. the census and the other offices are in fact government positions. the non-government positions should have +1 and the low-government +2. also we may need to distinguish between the department head and its deputies/helpers, as the head normally has much more to do (maintain the thread).

dis-
blame strider 4 that typo.
ps- im abolishing pension. every1 just starts out w/ 100 gold
bcgl- ask strider

ok and me i should ask strider as well ;) seriousley though you need to get some help on this as most posts so far start out with SAaM you need to get and assitant i believe curu is doing it so maybe tell him what you want done i will also help as much as possible

Bank COS:
1: All bank rules are official and binding. These effect the entire DemoGame II RPG. These rules are to be writen one of two ways:
By the Bank Head or
By a passing of 2/3 of the senate.
2: The bank does engage in giving loans. All loans are based on 5% interest.
All loans must be approved by Bank Head
3: All busineses must report sales to the Bank. This applies to both large department stores and personal businesses.
4: All businesses must be registered. This will give them their permit. Any business found operating with out a permit will be closed down.
5: Business owners, after paying any expenses, recieve all money earned. This money must be shown in their records to be considered vaild.
6: At the end of turn chats, bank accounts will be updated. This means all sales DURING the turn chat will be placed in the next turn chats account.
7: Multiple businesses, at this time, (they will eventually be allowed) are not allowed. Businesses working together are allowed, unless a trust is formed.
BUSINESS INVESTIGATIONS:
A BI is similar to a PI. Same standards apply, however the BI is money related. Any company found to be operating a monopoly (ie- Microsoft). If the defendant is found guilty, their business will be taken from them and they will face a penalty of half the gold earned.

in addition to rule number four to register you have to PM me strider civanator and SAaM though im not sure about stuck might be too much extra work for him so best just leave stuck when getting registered first pm me strider or civanator and we will see if the buisiness is good eough to go in the RPG

i need an asistant 4 doin stuff w/ rule 4.
curu is 4 loans and does part of the update.
pm if interested

A couple questions/comments:

5% interest over what period?

There's no need for official businesses to report earnings. They don't actually have a need for profit and don't need to keep track of anything. They are NPC's.

Why a restriction against multiple businesses? It seems arbitrarily restrictive.

A monopoly clause isn't necessary. Every business that doesn't have a competitor is a monopoly. This clause would shut down virtually every private business.

@BCLG100 - Keep it simple. Have a single registration point. PMing 4 different people isn't going to work.

how about PMing one of us, and then in the first post say at the bottom who gave the green light for the business?

Originally posted by Shaitan
A couple questions/comments:

5% interest over what period?

There's no need for official businesses to report earnings. They don't actually have a need for profit and don't need to keep track of anything. They are NPC's.

Why a restriction against multiple businesses? It seems arbitrarily restrictive.

A monopoly clause isn't necessary. Every business that doesn't have a competitor is a monopoly. This clause would shut down virtually every private business.



im talking monopolies that charge whatever theyd like because theyre the only one.

5% over the while it takes to repay it.

and the multi was to bulk it up. its gone now

Originally posted by Stuck_As_a_Mac


im talking monopolies that charge whatever theyd like because theyre the only one.

5% over the while it takes to repay it.

and the multi was to bulk it up. its gone now
Let people charge what they want. People will buy it or not. If it's ridiculous pricing they won't buy it, somebody will start selling it for less or it'll go into one of the official department store lists so people can get it at a reasonable price.

So there will be a total of 5% interest over the course of the loan no matter how long it takes to repay it? That would be okay for short term loans with a specific payment schedule and no early payment possible. The payback time would also need to be the same for all loans.

Originally posted by Shaitan

There's no need for official businesses to report earnings. They don't actually have a need for profit and don't need to keep track of anything. They are NPC's.

Why a restriction against multiple businesses? It seems arbitrarily restrictive.

A monopoly clause isn't necessary. Every business that doesn't have a competitor is a monopoly. This clause would shut down virtually every private business.



In responce to these three points...

First, buisnesses MUST keep track of profits, as the profits belong to the person running the store. ie, if I make a profit in my bodyguarding or useful items buisnesses, then I can keep that gold and spend it on something else. The RPG is not as simple as 'money goes out from bank' at the turn chat and 'money goes back to bank' when people buy a 'bank owned' stores. In fact, there is much more TRADING of money and goods between people than with the bank.

Secondly, I completely agree, people should be able to own multiple buisnesses. It is wrong to prohibit this. All it would do is force people to run everything under one name
eg: AJ's Bodyguard/Usefull Items/Party Hire/Travel Store.

Lastly, I think this is very valid. In fact, I think monopolies are BETTER. People who have a good idea should be the ones who get to reap a profit. How is it fair if I start up a herbs buisnees and undercut Civinator just because I can. It may be capitalism, but it's not fun. Anti-monopoly law would be folly.

Originally posted by Almightyjosh
First, buisnesses MUST keep track of profits, as the profits belong to the person running the store. ie, if I make a profit in my bodyguarding or useful items buisnesses, then I can keep that gold and spend it on something else. The RPG is not as simple as 'money goes out from bank' at the turn chat and 'money goes back to bank' when people buy a 'bank owned' stores. In fact, there is much more TRADING of money and goods between people than with the bank.
Yes, private businesses absolutely must keep track. I meant that the official shops (department stores? I'm still not clear what they're being called) that are run by the RPG managers don't need to keep track of anything. Only the players need to do this. It's wasted effort for an NPC outfit to keep track of such things.

Am I to believe then, that EA does not get the profits from his grocery store because it is an 'official' shop?? That doesn't seem fair!! (I just picked EA as an example, would this would be the case for all of us if it is for him.)
Why do we NEED official stores? They are EXACTLY the same as private stores, exept the people who go to the effort of running them don't get the profit!! What is achieved by official stores? Why not have all buisness as private and tax? (that is if the bank needs money at all!!)

because at the moment that is how the game is working

well now we can get all the necessary needs at all the private businesses, and others.

Executive Descision regarding proffits:
All things purchased must be recorded.
All sales must be recorded.
When final profit is determined, that must be reported in a new thread designed for businesses (tba)
A portion of this profit (either 5 per 10 or 6 per 10, to be voted on) will be kept by business owners. The rest goes to theFRA (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=30603)

THE FNS IS DUE TO OPEN TUEDAY SEPTEMBER 3RD 2002. IF YOU WISH TO BE ASSOCIATED WITH THE FNS DROP ME A PM. YOU WILL BE RECEIVING A LIST ON MONDAY ON WHAT WILL BE NEEDED. IT IS NOT DIFFICULT.

you realise that was alll in capitals and this is not an advertising thread dont you have you posted this in the volunteer thread?

The FNS is important for business's. It is absolouitely necessary that business's get this message.

SAaM, I'd like to request permission to open a Loans office, If I'm still in charge of that, and am allowed by you.

yea, u get it.

okay ill add curu to my job list
as loans officer

Thank you sir SAaM

SAaM, due to a change by Shaitan (increasing all things by a factor of ten) you must follow suit please. Thus do the same, or else we'll be overwhelmed with everyone having castles.

we factored ten? i thought that lost...

yea, it did.
Fixed (salary paid per chat) 9 50.00%
Variable (salary paid per game turn) 8 44.44%
Abstain 1 5.56%
100%
poll closed.

SAaM,what Shaitan did was purely numerical, and aesthetic, if everything is increased by a factor of ten (still paid normally, if not please don't involve that in this discussion) and thus if everything is the net effect is none existent. Thus if it is pure aesthetics, should it not be allowable?

curu could you dumb it down a tad?

What shaitan did not break any rules, it merely multiplied all values by 10 to make things easier fo rpeople to understand and for it to look more "realistic".

Quite right. There were no rules to break before I posted 'em. :lol:

Like curu said, the scales were simply increased by a factor of 10. Simply add a zero to the end of the pre-rule figures and everything works spiffily.

There was also a change in the profit schedule that gives businesses a bit more profit. This will keep more money in the economy.

ok, so start of 100 gold. then u make 100 gold per tc? and then you add the excess? odd...
i still say we 100 with 10 regular. otherwise, you screw up the businesses. look for the banl cos (mine) and the rpg cos (me n bcgl) to be written soon

ok right now i understand

u no, 2gether u n i can overturn this. we hav that power, my rules being final and you being head.

i think its working fine at the moment people uderstand shaitans way and we dont wanna confuse them more

SAAM, you're devolving into some hybrid webbie style typing. Please refrain from this. It's annoying and difficult to read.

So how do we post a bank transaction? Where are the accounts?

This thread has been massacred. I strongly recommend closing it and starting a fresh bank thread.

yeh this has turned into an idea thread

pardon me for acting my age. and yes, it has.
anyway, the new site should go up soon. im using the 10gpt with the 100 gold start up.
i hope that is okay.

No, it really isn't. Starting pay is 1000g and pay is either straight at 100g + bonus per chat or 10g + bonus per turn. Players need to opt into pay per turn. If you want to change the rules you need to do it within the rules - 3 of the 4 RPG manager positions must agree with the change.

c'mon. this is going to throw everything into chaos. people will have mansions with out doing anything. hmm.. bcgl (2 positions) and i (this very bank) seem to dislike it. does that count as 3 out of 4?

BCLG100 has stated he likes it. He just had me make the announcement that he supports the ruleset and they should be followed.

It won't throw anything out of wack. Prices have to adjust to the economy, not the other way around. People were simply not getting a handle on thinking of 10g as a load of cash. As an entire paycheck it has to be. It's a lot easier to think of 100g as a good amount of money.

As it's a base 10 devaluation all you need to do is add a zero to the end of the pre-rule pricing and all is well.

k- after reviewing the thread, i guess im okay with the x10 jump. ill x10 in the main prices and give the money that way.

Excellent. Do you need any help with setting up rules and procedures for the Bank and the Fanatikan Revenue Association?

no, im workin on it.
expect me 2 be quieter in the tc. ill be coding the html.

so the first chat is over... do we have a list of our account balances somewhere?
i believe i have 1260gold on the account, 1000 start+130*2 for the first two chats at office head and office deputy?
(2 chats because the startup was also a tc).

btw:
i believe we should start a new, clean bank thread with the new rules, as this one is way too cluttered...

i propose: second national bank of fanatika?

Official Bank of Barvaria. This one was just to get the ideas out. The Barvarian bank will come out soon.

I propose the new bank should have a "transaction only" thread, with the balance sheet in the 1st post, and a "discussion only" thread to discuss things.

Maybe this will reduce clutter. And the mods should drive a hard hand against those posting in that no-post thread ;-)

I agree. The transaction threads (Bank, Revenue Association) should be non-conversation areas. The only thing that should go in those are players posting transactions and the Bank Manager making announcements and updating the accounts.

Yes, but they should of course be cross-linked.
The non-conversational bank-thread for example should hold a link to the bank-discussion-thread in the first post and vice-versa (see census threads for example).

Everyboddy who actually need to report a transaction or request a loan, do so in the national bank of barvaria.

see my post above for the cross link part. the discussion thread should then of course be unstickied. and if we have a new discussion thread, this thread should also be crosslinked, closed and unstickied ;-)

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=31378
no, we should have a discussion thread. besides, i want this to be the longest lasting non mod thread of the demogame. it was the 1st thread posted.

saam: as i said?!?
i meant we should close this one and open a new one to get rid of those 4 pages of now obsolete discussion ;-)

okay...
not sure of who said what here.
the thread will stay open as a discussion thread, mabey those 4 pages could be disposed of.
*ya, zee pages vill be eleminated!*
um...
that vas, i mean was stalin talking.

nah... i would propose putting up a new one with the new name and closing this one... would be a cleaner cut for new people, as they will propably get confused by its bigness.

those 4 pages should be conserved as archive and reference...

but a crosslink in the new and old discussion thread will help not to forget it ;-)

I want to buy some land. Where is that done?

@donsig - Post list purchases in the new bank thread (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=31378).

when will the updated account balances be up?

another thought:
how does the bank determine the payment we receive? will they look in the registry for the jobs we have?
the bank needs to know all jobs we own (like head of chat office, cartographic office helper, chat rep for xyz etc.) to calculate the amount of money we earn.

my concern is how the banker keeps himself updated...

maybe an idea for that:
we open a thread "rpg participants". the 1st post contains the list of all participants in the rpg and the jobs they hold (table or excel-table?).
when you change a job, you must post in that thread to announce the change (like "i retire as chat office head" or "i am now governor of xyz").
the banker can then update the first post and request deletion of the request (like in the indexes). or maybe even a mod could handle this?
this way the banker gets notification of all changes easily by subscribing to the thread and has a updated list of jobs in the 1st post.
and we all know who participates in the rpg without searching thru the registry for a specific option.

every weekend, using the most current census, the bank will be updated.

now where do i have to state i participate and what i will earn?

and do job-changes during a week not reflect in the payment then? we get a chat-based pay, so i would propose the bank to update after every chat?

Originally posted by Shaitan
@donsig - Post list purchases in the new bank thread (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=31378).

That's a squeky clean thread - nothing happening in there yet. I guess I need to be brought up to speed on the basics here. Does anyone own land yet? If not who do I buy it from - or better yet, why would I buy it and not just squat? Do we have a realtor yet? This gold is burning a hole in my pocket!

Originally posted by disorganizer
we get a chat-based pay, so i would propose the bank to update after every chat?

Technically we could be paid per chat or per game turn but either way things should be updated after avery chat.

I'm starting to like this RPG thing - I figure I've got 2405 gold. I must be the richest guy in Fanatika! Will the accounts be public?

Yes... beware of the robbers!
Hey, will a bank-robbery be possible?!? Or inflation! (Black Friday?)

@saam: please empty your pm box ;-)