Just continuing the discussion that was started here (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=28937).

Now that the forums are here, we should talk about adding/moving/deleting things. (threads)

im still not happy with so many game critical or forum critical things going to the rpg forum. the offices are not placed very well there, as they are mostly forum-administrational, gameplay-administrational or governmental positions, with some game-information issue. have nothign to do with rpg.

I think Chieftess' idea for combining the turn chat schedule and registry with the turn statistics (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?postid=445914#post445914) is very workable. The major issue against putting this in the main forum is that we need to keep our sticky thread count down. However, this information really should be in the main forum.

I propose another index thread for Game Critical Information (suggestions for better name are welcome). It would change the main forum organization (Code of Standards, Section A) from:
Intro Thread / Meta Index
Constitution
Judicial Log
Citizen Registry
Needed Stuff
Maps (Geographic Society)
Nomination index (seasonal)
Turn Chat threads
Election threads (nominations, polls)
Only mods should open threads here. A through G are sticky.
To:
Intro Thread / Meta Index
Game Critical Thread Index (Indexes chat/statistics, constitution, Judicial Log and Map threads)
Citizen Registry
Needed Stuff
Nomination index (seasonal)
Maps (Geographic Society)
Constitution
Judicial Log
Turn chat schedule/instruction thread index/statistics thread
Turn chat threads
Election threads (nominations, polls)
Only mods should open threads here. A through E are sticky.

Thoughts? It reduces the sticky threads to 4 (5 during election week). Active threads will stay on top regardless. There will always be a fast way to get to any of them through the indexes.

I think if the main forum is restricted so that only mods can open threads, we won't have too many threads. Hence, I'm not sure we'll need indeces at all. You love those indeces, don't you, Shaitan... ;) Seriously, if you really want something like this, I won't vote against it.

Yes, I do love those little buggers. :)

We need indexes here for finding things quickly and so we don't lose threads during election times.

Indicies are a good tool, I'll agree. That is, as long as someone else takes all their time to manage them :D

On the stickiness of items in the main forum, I'd go ahead and keep our maps, constitution, and judicial log sticky. They would get rather hard to find, especially for those who need to update them. The use of sticky threads may eliminate the need for an index for the main forum.

Can you list your "Chat Turn" enteries as "Turn Chat".

Originally posted by Cyc
Can you list your "Chat Turn" enteries as "Turn Chat".
Edited them in the proposal. :)

Thanks - :)

I think indexes are good for newbies to find thru the threads. I also think shaitans idea for the "critical" things is perfect.

I again would like to discuss moving the offices and cities out of the rpg forum. they will soon be burried by rpg-threads.

I agree with disorganizer. I had no idea there would be some many rpg threads.

I came in mid-game and the indexes were critical in getting my bearings. I didn't use them much afterwards but by then i knew where everything was

I think the RPG explosion has taken everybody a bit by surprise. I'm not opposed to putting them in the Gov't forum.

im IMPRESSED with the rpg explosion. obviously many people just waited for that fun!

I'd like to get this completed before the actual game start. Any more comments on what we've laid out so far?

What exactly DID we layout so far? Was there a conclusion i missed?

Originally posted by disorganizer
What exactly DID we layout so far? Was there a conclusion i missed?
The Main Forum:
Intro Thread / Meta Index
Constitution
Judicial Log
Citizen Registry
Needed Stuff
Maps (Geographic Society)
Nomination index (seasonal)
Turn Chat threads
Election threads (nominations, polls)
Only mods should open threads here. A through G are sticky.
To:
Intro Thread / Meta Index
Game Critical Thread Index (Indexes chat/statistics, constitution, Judicial Log and Map threads)
Citizen Registry
Needed Stuff
Nomination index (seasonal)
Maps (Geographic Society)
Constitution
Judicial Log
Turn chat schedule/instruction thread index/statistics thread
Turn chat threads
Election threads (nominations, polls)
Only mods should open threads here. A through E are sticky.
The Citizen Forum takes these from the RPG Forum:
Offices Index/Registry, Office threads, Cities Index/Registry, City threads.

The last sentence would be bad... would put too much in citizen forum (as we already discussed cutting some groups out of here).

I would propose:
Office-Index->Government, Sticky
Cities-Index->Government, Sticky
Offices->Government, Unsticky
Cities->Government, Unsticky

this would free the rpg AND the citizen forum. it would bring the whole governmental threads into one forum also.

as we brought the elections and nominations (as well as the FNN-Report hopefully) into the main forum (why did we nominate in the government forum this time?), the government forum will also be nice and clean during elections (and not like last game).


btw: please change "geographic society" to "cartographic office" ;-)

Good point, dis. We're already losing threads in the citizen forum (this one almost disappeared to dreaded page 2).

The government forum will be fully indexed so will be resistant to overcrowding.

I think it was just a goof that put the nomination threads in the government forum. As it was empty it didn't matter much this time. They will be in the main forum next term.

We should move election and nomination threads out of there though after the elections this term are over. Will there be any threads stickied in the government forum except the indexes? If no, i would leave it that way ;-) This would also give cities the chance to "flip on top".

At the moment, the census stats and the maps are also sticky in the main forum. I think this will be needed because there will be almost no "discussion" and with that new posts there, though there will be very "attracting" infomation in those threads... but maybe it is just mho.

The census is an office so should go with the offices. There's no critical need for that to be a sticky in the main forum. Or are you talking about the citizen registry?

i think the census office is split: a discussion thread (clearly an office) and a statistics thread (like the map-thread of the cartographic office and its office thread).
i talked about the statistics thread and not the office thread (sorry it wasnt clear enough).

Not convinced that needs to be stuck in the main forum though. It's not critical info or necessary for turn play.

Anyway...we can deal with that later. We need to firm up the base layout. Is everybody happy with the current proposal? To recap, the main forum goes from:
Intro Thread / Meta Index
Constitution
Judicial Log
Citizen Registry
Needed Stuff
Maps (Geographic Society)
Nomination index (seasonal)
Turn Chat threads
Election threads (nominations, polls)
Only mods should open threads here. A through G are sticky.
To:
Intro Thread / Meta Index
Game Critical Thread Index (Indexes chat/statistics, constitution, Judicial Log and Map threads)
Citizen Registry
Needed Stuff
Nomination index (seasonal)
Maps (Geographic Society)
Constitution
Judicial Log
Turn chat schedule/instruction thread index/statistics thread
Turn chat threads
Election threads (nominations, polls)
Only mods should open threads here. A through E are sticky.

The Offices Index/Registy and threads plus the Cities Index/Registry and threads will move from the RPG forum to the government forum.

Originally posted by disorganizer
i think the census office is split: a discussion thread (clearly an office) and a statistics thread (like the map-thread of the cartographic office and its office thread).
i talked about the statistics thread and not the office thread (sorry it wasnt clear enough).

I helped muddy this by creating a statistics thread in the main forum, but not an office/discussion thread in the Citizen's forum. I'm going to wait a few days until this is clear, but as long as the census office and reports threads are intuitively accessible, where they are is less important.

@Shaitan:
i believe you also meant the offices and cities threads move to government forum too ;-)

and:
maps=cartographic office ;-) the geographical society is g1!

@Danke:
the office discussion thread=office thread will go to the government forum propably ;-)

Originally posted by disorganizer
@Shaitan:
i believe you also meant the offices and cities threads move to government forum too ;-)
That's in there - last sentence of the recap post.

Ah. I missed the "and threads"... i shouldnt work so hard when posting ;-)
Obviously my pipe between the brain and the eyes broke ;-)

We need a sponsor from the Executive Branch. This is ready to use. Simply "quote" this message then copy the parts below this paragraph except for the "quote" tags. Then paste what you've copied into the Council Vote.


Do you approve the change to Section A of the Code of Standards as detailed below?

All Department Leaders should reply with YES, NO or ABSTAIN.

Proposed change to Section A of the Code of Standards:

1. Main Forum - Game play related information
A. Intro Thread / Meta Index
B. Game Critical Thread Index (Indexes the
Chat/Statistics, Constitution, Judicial Log and
Map threads)
C. Citizen Registry
D. Needed Stuff
E. Nomination index (seasonal)
F. Election poll index (seasonal)
G. Maps (Cartographic Society)
H. Constitution
I. Judicial Log
J. Turn chat schedule / Chat instruction thread
index / Statistics thread
K. Turn chat threads
L. Election threads (nominations, polls)
M. Only mods should open threads here. A through
F are sticky.
2. Government Sub-forum - Government related information
A. Government Thread Index (all branches)
B. Offices Index (appointed/created positions)
C. City Index and Registry
D. Budget
E. Government Threads
F. Province Threads
G. City Threads
H. Office Threads
I. Citizens are allowed to post, but not to open
their own threads. All discussion should be
spawned to the citizen forum with only a link
in the governmental forum to avoid clutter. The
result of the discussion should be brought back
to the government forum thereafter. A through D
are sticky.
3. Citizen Sub-forum - Citizen related information
A. Citizen group Index & Registry
B. Discussion Registry
C. Citizen groups
D. Discussions
E. A and B are sticky.
4. Poll Sub-forum - Polls
A. Poll Registry
B. Citizen Polls
C. Legislative Votes
D. Council Votes
E. A is sticky.
5. RPG Sub-forum - Role Playing Game related information
A. RPG Index & Registry
B. Heritage Index & Registry
C. RPG Rules / Main office thread
D. Bank thread
E. RPG Threads
F. Heritage threads
1. Examples: Cultural Art thread, Newspaper
thread, etc.
G. A through D are sticky.
Current version of Section A:
1. Main Forum - Game play related information
A. Intro Thread / Meta Index
B. Constitution
C. Judicial Log
D. Citizen Registry
E. Needed Stuff
F. Maps (Geographic Society)
G. Nomination index (seasonal)
H. Chat Turn threads
I. Election threads (nominations, polls)
J. Only mods should open threads here. A through
G are sticky.
2. Government Sub-forum - Government related information
A. Government Thread Index (all branches)
B. Budget
C. Government Threads
D. Province Threads
E. Citizens are allowed to post, but not to open
their own threads. All discussion should be
spawned to the citizen forum with only a link
in the governmental forum to avoid clutter. The
result of the discussion should be brought back
to the government forum thereafter. A and B are
sticky.
3. Citizen Sub-forum - Citizen related information
A. Citizen group Index & Registry
B. Discussion Registry
C. Citizen groups
D. Discussions
E. A and B are sticky.
4. Poll Sub-forum - Polls
A. Poll Registry
B. Citizen Polls
C. Legislative Votes
D. Council Votes
E. A is sticky.
5. RPG Sub-forum - Role Playing Game related information
A. RPG Index & Registry
B. Heritage Index & Registry
C. Offices Index (appointed/created positions)
D. City Index and Registry
E. RPG Threads
F. Heritage threads
1. Examples: Cultural Art thread, Newspaper
thread, etc.
G. City Threads
H. Office Threads
I. A thorugh D are sticky.

Particulars:
This change was discussed in this thread (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=30416). This vote will remain open for 48 hours or until it receives an unbeatable majority of votes to pass or decline it, whichever comes first.

Ok, I will sponser it, since it's still technically Term 1. ;)

don't you mean Term 5? ;)

Originally posted by Chieftess
Ok, I will sponser it, since it's still technically Term 1. ;)
Thanks, Chieftess :)

Originally posted by Eklektikos
don't you mean Term 5? ;)
Can you start the review process, Eklektikos? The vote is here (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=30834).

Thanks

Hah. That'll teach me to go around making smart alec posts :rolleyes:

THWWWWWUMP
Eklektikos feels the hammer of dooooooom, well, the hammer of Shaitan anyway.

@shaitan: argh. small change: carthographic OFFICE, not society ;-)

Originally posted by disorganizer
@shaitan: argh. small change: carthographic OFFICE, not society ;-)
That's just a terminology change. I'll fix it before the Rules are updated.