The Organization

Chairman/CEO- VHS
Executive Vice Chairman- Octavion X (nominated)
President- Strider (nominated)

BOARD OF DIRECTORS
Danke
Trader/Warrior
Almightyjosh
BCLG100
Stuck_as_a_Mac
Zarn

Stock prices will be updated frequently.

this is a very legit organization, as i do know how to calculate the price of stocks.

it seems you have not seen the thread which says no more buisnesses for the time being i think that you either need to PM strider about this as he is in charge im sure that he will probably let it go but next time try and read the threads which say important first

as bank head, i would like to see these "formuli" for calculating stock prices.
if you have it, im swiping it and making a killing on the nyse

lol, are u sure u want to see the formula

Originally posted by BCLG100
it seems you have not seen the thread which says no more buisnesses for the time being i think that you either need to PM strider about this as he is in charge im sure that he will probably let it go but next time try and read the threads which say important first

well, when business's come, ill be ready. Besides, i have to work out a few kinks involed with this (I.E. auditors, quarterly earnings, balance sheets, etc.)

Originally posted by VHS
lol, are u sure u want to see the formula

yes, i do. as head of the National Fanatikan Bank, i wish to see these formulas to determine wheter or not this "fse" is an enron or an apple.
please submit these or feel the wrath of the first ever BI

can u give me ur email?

I'd also like to see this (these) formula(e).

hopefully, stuck_as_a_mac can find a way to copy/paste, because it's tough.

you sent me nothing.
i need this formula.
send it as a word doc

was it a bunch of numbers and brackets. ALOT of numbers and brackets. Because thats the formula.

post it in the first post.

after a firm review of this, not only do i support it, but i want it to become a branch of the FNB (Bank)

Please let it be a part.
Also, what companies are to be in the FSE?

I don't understand a thing. I want it explained please ;) if my store is in the FSE.

Civ, it is not the case that every company is on the FSE. In fact, you would have to float any company and then pay dividends baced on profit after expenses. I really like this idea, but I fear it will be a long time before we work out simple buisness, let alone a Sock Exchange!!

EDIT: I do of course mean sTock exchange

actually, that was part of my plan. I would companies pay dividends, + i would need free risk factor. However, i doubt any1 even knows what these terms mean, therefore I'm going to need to work out some way organize all of this. SAAM is looking over my formula, i don't know why, but wtv. Actually, i like sock exchange better :)

Originally posted by Almightyjosh
Civ, it is not the case that every company is on the FSE. In fact, you would have to float any company and then pay dividends baced on profit after expenses. I really like this idea, but I fear it will be a long time before we work out simple buisness, let alone a Sock Exchange!!

EDIT: I do of course mean sTock exchange

u seem to have an idea of what im trying to do. my formula was approved by the banks head (SAAM) so, thats one order of business complete. The other is organizing daily stocks, which i think needs some working out.

this is some of the data i need to calculate stocks. I've provided a small definition for it, and its significance to the calculation:


Required Rate of Return: is the risk free rate plus the risk premium of the stock. If the stock is relatively more risky then its risk premium should be relatively higher- obviusly, i need a way to evaluate risk of certain companies, not only for the calculation but for the investors.

First Dividend: is the amount of the first-time dividend that you expect to receive after your have bought the stock-another for both the calculation & the investors.

Growth Rate is the rate of growth of a company's dividends (earnings) in a particular section (period) of time-VERY important.
there are a few other things, but it's not important for you to know. If anyone works for the exchange, ill give you MUCH more detailed information on calculating and other matters of business.

Ah Hahahahaha! I'm going to make *meeeellions*!

Ahem, Boondoggle & Pork's average rate of return is significantly higher than industry averages or any third-party index. As such we confidently declare that our predicted growth rate far outpaces predictions for inflation, or returns on bonds or any other Fanatikan investment instrument. Dividends will be paid promptly to Series-A stockholders, pretty much as soon as the check clears.

B&A investments have a high P/E, S/E, N/A, and D/E ratio, are sold direct to consumers to avoid middlemen and can be converted easily* to maintain liquidity. B&A investments are certifed AAA by our subsidiary, A&B General Accountants, LLC.

What, no takers?

Danke Q. Boondoggle
Boondoggle & Pork, Lobbyists
Greasing the Wheels of Democracy Since 4000 BC-ish

*180 days notice

lol, don't reveal your strategies b4 opening day.

the bank wishes to be listed on the FNSE as FNB. Our opening price is 20g a share. We have determined this by placing our value over everything else and making it an official head decree (see rule #1).


Stuck A. Gates A. Mac.
Corparate Tycon, circa 4000 BC

wait a minute. We still haven't made a clear premise. besides, to establish an opening price, we need sufficient data to begin. We have to be fair, and havde a procedure to follow. We also need to advertise a bit, and attract investors. We also need people and methods to keep track of all transactions, and a place to buy shares. We're going a bit too fast. There are still very few corporations, therefore there isn't much growing room. Maybe we can speed up the process if we can all openly discuss what we can do.

so far, your the only corporation in the FSE, so we need more.

I rushed into lobbying. I may have to re-start Boondoggle & Pork as an investment firm specializing in IPOs.

In regards to leadership, i would like to make it similar to the NYSE. If you would like to have an idea, visit www.nyse.com/about/organization.html. Obviously, its going to be EXACT, but as close as possible. I'm also going to need records to determine the stocks value, as well as a Securities and Exchanges Commitee to make sure no accounting misrepresentation or acts of fraud take place. But 1st of all, I think we need to establish some leadership.

brokerage firms????

also, i would like to write a consitution for the FSE, establishing some rules and regulations.

listen, i need a board of governors. Next week I'll be giving you the official board of governors. If you've been nominated ill PM you.

THE FNS IS DUE TO OPEN TUEDAY SEPTEMBER 3RD 2002. IF YOU WISH TO BE ASSOCIATED WITH THE FNS DROP ME A PM. YOU WILL BE RECEIVING A LIST ON MONDAY ON WHAT WILL BE NEEDED. IT IS NOT DIFFICULT. please be in touch w/this site during the week. Saturday or Sunday I will be announcing the board of directors.

we don't have brokerage firms, so investors wil l invest on their own.

everything is going smoothly. I just need a few corporations if any1 wants to make $$$

Originally posted by VHS
so far, your the only corporation in the FSE, so we need more.

Well not every commodity need be a company. You could speculate on wheat, iron, furs, game and other commodities for in-game trading, and get big bucks when one of these is traded to the AI but lose value when you have to buy them in.
I think that you should have someone permanently (or at least one per term) in charge of the stock exchange but with an impressive salary. This person would be disallowed from trading in shares during the time they hold the office and should have all their shares liquidated when they take the office. At all other times they can trade as they see fit. Basically they would decide upon starting prices for stock and then work out the changes every week based both on in-game factors like those I mentioned above and on a random element with a basic RNG. For example, wheat is initially priced at 20g per share and while the city is growing to size 2 wheat will see a related rise in price. Once the city has reached size 2, though, even more wheat will flood the market with the introduction of a new worker and so the price will fall. This has to be incorporated with a random element so that people can still make money or lose it through chance. So each game turn or each week, whichever you prefer as leader, you can have Wheat (Initial price + game state variation + RNG). This formula is really simple, but requires that the RNG be occasionally over the game state index so that the price can fluctuate properly. I'm sure that someone can work out a better system but it definitely needs to reflect the actual mechanics of the game more and include a random element each time the price changes, whether positive or negative. If you set up a RNG to give you a number out of 10 and had 5 as the base, you'd get a decent range between -5 and +5 to work with.
Just some ideas I'm throwing out here. :D

this is an rpg. The origninal formula work fine. we are selling shares of companies, not in game goods.

VHS, you've asked me to vice chair this organization a few times. If you feel like doing a whole lot of explaning to a 14 year old who is now taking geometry, I'd love the job.

Otherwise, I haven't the slighest clue to as what is going on.

I have a quick Q....

What does each of these people do?

too...many...questions....

I'll PM both of you.

I'm a new corporation and (my luxuxry store being its first buisness) and I woul like too invest...........but how do I invest, buy shares and stocks, and that kind of stuff agian?

I'm a new corporation and (my luxuxry store being its first buisness) and I woul like too invest...........but how do I invest, buy ans sell shares and stocks, and that kind of stuff agian?

i want to open as soon as possible. I think im going to have sufficient amont of business, however, i was on my brothers mac and typed up a constitution, then sent it to "stuck_as_a_mac. Then isent it to my PC. unfortanetly, it didn't work so i need SAAM to send it to me, so I can finish the rest of the laws and then the 2 new forums.

Octavian X, i didn't know you are only 14????? wow

On Topic:
When will the stock market open?

it was supposed to open last wednesday, but things got a little complicated. SAAM finishing a few things, as well as some board matters. I suspect some time during the week. Ill post news up here, as well as the transaction froum and the IPO index.

@octavian earlier lol
just smile and nod i dont understand some of it and i am game manager

Well, VHS, I'd be glad to take the position, only if the mathematical stuff I handle is basic addition.

okay, an address to botth of you (BCLG100, Octavion X) IM DOING THE MATHEMATICAL "STUFF". Since both of you are very good at organizing and addressing certain problems, I choose you, and thought that you would best be suited in these positions. I just need youi to help with the organization of the exchange, as well as a voice in resolving certain issues that may or may not arise. I'll try and explain this l8er when i get my file that i sent to SAAM, which he said is somewhere in the Bank discusion thread. Unfortanetly, i can't find it, and will probably have to get it from my "other source"

Eyrei is a really nice guy.

diabloinex, if that is your real name, we will see you in one week.

So is the FNSE a held company itself or an official office of the RPG?

We don't have any public companies yet, except maybe the official stores and the bank. We actually only have 4 businesses that have gone through the startup procedure.

Originally posted by Diabloinex
Eyrei is a really nice guy.

diabloinex, if that is your real name, we will see you in one week.

what is this???

N E ways, thanks to some helpful suggestions by Danke, Im ready to move forward. I expect to have everything done for next week. Unfortanetly, we don't have many business's so its going to be hard the 1st few weeks (or easy, we'll see). I'm going to hav everything done by friday, as well as our new brokerage firm, Fanatrade. Things are looking good.

Originally posted by VHS


what is this???

Diablo made fun of eyrei and he got kicked (also he chaged the text to Eyrei is a really nice guy.) I only know that, because he told me in the chat.

okay, but y does it say eyerei is a nice guy in my thread?

becasue it siad summin else and eyrei changed it to say he was a really nice guy

errr...whatever, this is confusing.

my 100th post! This is not what i thought i would say on this post, but hey, what can u do.

Originally posted by VHS
errr...whatever, this is confusing.

my 100th post! This is not what i thought i would say on this post, but hey, what can u do.

Mods can edit other peoples post to something else.

okay

all the former board members will getm new postitions, as well as the chance to run different sectors in the exchange. The organization is now the Bavarian stock exchange. All the details are on the thread.

New Thread (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=32093)