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OmniMower Aug 25, 2002, 03:30 AM Well, this is the progress of the Britt Centurion Mk VIII Tank so far.
Why put out a half done 3D model on the Forum?
In need some opinions on this before I go and rock with the animations
THIS UNIT IS CURRENTLY ON HALT DUE TO FILE DAMAGE!
kemal69 Aug 25, 2002, 03:54 AM I know Australia was the first country to buy them from the UK.
they came with 20 pounder guns and Besa machine guns, but we replaced the besa machine guns with .30 calibre Browning Machine guns.
They adapted better to the harsh terrain here than the leopards, which we also purchased.
However the centurions were phased out in 1977.
They were then replaced by leopards (much improved)
I'm not sure what we use here now.
Sorry I don't know much about other countries.
I do know they saw extensive deployment in Vietnam.
Probably not much help though! :)
Oh and I know many of the units that returned from vietnam (damaged) had the turrets removed and were turned into driiver training vehicles.
OmniMower Aug 25, 2002, 04:10 AM Thx kemal69,
So far its Australia and Sweden who imported them (what I know of) and as your army did, Sweden replaced it with Leopard 2 and Leopard 2 A6 a few years ago.
/omniMower
kemal69 Aug 25, 2002, 04:30 AM OmniMower: they were a cool looking tank, I know there are several restored ones around australia in museums and memorial sites.
I have seen some pictures on the web if they would be of any help.
I can't wait to see your final product, I have the aussies in my game as a civ and would love to replace their tank with the centurion
OmniMower Aug 25, 2002, 04:33 AM Kemal69,
IŽll do my best to finish it as soon I can. Glad if it comes to any use!
I think I have the 3D model done tonight, along with some beer...=)
/OmniMower
kemal69 Aug 25, 2002, 04:48 AM Originally posted by OmniMower
Kemal69,
IŽll do my best to finish it as soon I can. Glad if it comes to any use!
I think I have the 3D model done tonight, along with some beer...=)
/OmniMower
Good to see you have your priorities straight... referring to the beer that is! :goodjob:
OmniMower Aug 25, 2002, 04:50 AM Unit Stats.
Can anyone help me with the stats on this tank? I dont have the time to surf the net for it.
Stat suggestion: A/D/M - 170/120/3....
/OmniMower
OmniMower Aug 25, 2002, 04:54 AM Kemal69,
yeah, I know.... You are always more creative with some cold beer in front of you on the desk!!! =)
Gotta love it! hehe......
W.i.n.t.e.r Aug 25, 2002, 04:59 AM Israel bought them too- a real big post-war blockbuster :)
Looking good- what scale is it going 2 B when its done ?? (I mean- will be according to Firaxis' tanks)
Antiochus VII Aug 25, 2002, 05:06 AM So far as I can tell, one model or another of Centurion has been exported to Australia, Canada, Denmark, Ghana, India, Israel, Jordan, Kuwait, Somalia, South Africa, Sweden and Switzerland - at a minimum. Most of its combat service (outside of Korea) was with India and Israel it seems.
OmniMower Aug 25, 2002, 05:43 AM W.I.N.T.E.R,
does it need any special scale? I think it will match Firaxis tanks, I dont have the measurements on the real thing thou.
W.i.n.t.e.r Aug 25, 2002, 05:48 AM Nah, not really- just asked coz Smoking Mirror has a different scale to the tanks of Kinboat (just to mention two great unit creators :)) and I find it hard to incorporate some of their units due to the relative disparity in sizel... Would be great if the units are somewhat based on the size of the in-game units- that's all ;)
Kingpin Aug 25, 2002, 06:46 AM OmniMower,
I've got my old plastic Centurion model sitting on my computer monitor here... it's remarkable how similar it looks. You've done a fantastic job so far. I noticed that you havent put on the front geared wheel. But the rest of the chassis is very well done. Other than the front wheel, I don't think I'd change anything.
And I agree with W.I.N.T.E.R. about trying to keep it similar to the Firaxis tank in size.
And on a side note, if Canada had Centurions, which I can't recall right now, then we must have had only a few of them. Or maybe only one :) After all, our entire military consists of less than 60,000 troops. It really stretches us to do Peacekeeping missions...
Keep up the good work, OmniMower. I look forward to further posts...
OmniMower Aug 25, 2002, 06:50 AM Thanx Kingpin,
and yes, the front wheel is missing, putting it on this evening.
Im not sure how much of the details will show on the finished flic file but I put them on anyway Žcause its fun.
Ill stick with my plan and post a new image this evening....
/OmniMower
kemal69 Aug 25, 2002, 08:32 AM I know this is a tweensy bit off the topic of the centurion but here's a picture of a tank called the AC3 Sentinel which was actually developed in australia during WWII.
There was a point when invasion of Australia by the Japanese seemed imminent, and england could not produce enough tanks to supply Australia, so several Sentinel models were developed, 3 prototypes of this unit were made but it was never put to production, because the american production suddenly hit an all time high and Australia bought tanks from the US instead.
http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads/sentinel_3.jpg
The Sentinel had a 25 pound howitzer mounted in turret. In this picture the MG which should be present in the hole below the turret at the front was removed. The 3 engines were given a single crankcase. It appeared in 1943.
OmniMower Aug 25, 2002, 12:39 PM EDIT: New Image with the Turret in place.
Does it look OK?
/OmniMower
Kingpin Aug 25, 2002, 02:03 PM I can't see the pic, OmniMower. Could you re-post? Oops... nevermind. It helps if you refresh your screen now and then.
It looks good, OmniMower.
OmniMower Aug 25, 2002, 02:04 PM Can anyone give me some suggestions on where to put the Civ specific colors???
Kingpin Aug 25, 2002, 02:06 PM I'd make some markings on the side plates or some rings on the barrel indicating the unit the tank belongs to.
OmniMower Aug 25, 2002, 02:12 PM Ok, IŽll do that and post a new image in a few minutes,
can anyone post a pic with the muzzlebreak?
/OmniMower
OmniMower Aug 25, 2002, 02:18 PM Would that work?
thisismysn20 Aug 25, 2002, 02:24 PM I like the unit, not bad...
Polaris Aug 25, 2002, 03:41 PM What about using colored chevrons on the sides of the track skirt for the civ colors.? Kind of like the Radar Artillery.
Kingpin Aug 25, 2002, 05:50 PM Polaris,
I was driving home this evening thinking that perhaps chevrons might be a good idea. I think the Israelis used something like that on their Centurions. I wish I'd kept the book that had photos of that...
OmniMower,
The muzzle break is the very end of the barrel, right? It would hardly be noticable when shrunk down to game scale. And what you've already produced looks about right. And is the machine gun really on the right side of the barrel? I think I put my model together wrong! :lol:
By the way, is this your first unit? Or have you posted others on this forum?
Kingpin Aug 25, 2002, 05:59 PM Oh, and one other thing... as far as detail goes, you should have a look at Smoking Mirror's tanks. He's really the master of detail. His latest tanks have fuel tanks, stowage boxes and what-not added onto them. Of course, he hasn't added anything that wasn't typically put on them. Those sorts of things can still be distinguished when the model is reduced to game-scale.
The Israelis were particularly famous for adding additional stowage to their armour.
Kingpin Aug 25, 2002, 07:15 PM OmniMower,
I like the civ colour rings on the barrel!
I'm not too fussy about such a large part of the side plates being civ coloured though. I think a unit number or Roman numerals or something would be more realistic. Can you imagine the poor English tankers having to crawl around with bright orange side plates!
I'd just leave it with the barrel. It's subtle. It's cool...
dannyevilcat Aug 25, 2002, 07:38 PM Great work, OmniMower! Also, I'm wondering what plans do you have in mind for when this fella is finished?
OmniMower Aug 26, 2002, 02:09 AM Kingpin,
IŽll change the civ colors on the sideplates and post it in a few minutes. I had an idea about marking the tank with three stripes....dont know if it gonna look good, but IŽll try... you never know. =)
This is not my first one, but I havent finished the other one either. Its a preview like this one.
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=30386.
dannyevilcat,
I thought I should continue with my Swedish UU, but if you have any idea, IŽll be glad to hear them.....
Take care now /OmniMower
OmniMower Aug 26, 2002, 02:34 AM Hey everybody,
before I go and post a new Image here I would like to hear what you think of a few things....
Several tanks has the spare tracks replaced with spare wheels on the front...wich shall I put there? (I would go with the tracks)
I also seen many tanks without the sideplates, but they will stick there right.
Shall there be a MG on the turret?
Antennas?
well, this was the ones now, but I have more questions later, Im sure....
/OmniMower
dannyevilcat Aug 26, 2002, 02:45 AM Originally posted by OmniMower
dannyevilcat,
I thought I should continue with my Swedish UU, but if you have any idea, IŽll be glad to hear them.....
Well, you seem to be into doing tanks/vehicles, so I'm not sure how interested you'd be in air units... but I really need either a UH-1 Huey helicopter or an F-4 Phantom II. Also, I need an American M-60 MBT and a torpedo boat. So, I'm not asking for much really :lol:
OmniMower Aug 26, 2002, 02:51 AM Hehe... since this is my second creation, it was a easy choice to go with the tanks, since they are so boxy.
But an airunit would be nice to try. I my game I really miss a good transport units, so one airunit I had in mind was the C-130 Hercules.
IŽll check the M-60 MBT out, and iŽll get back to you...Ok?
/OmniMower
PS. should we post a new thread on the M-60?
dannyevilcat Aug 26, 2002, 02:59 AM Sure, thanks! :)
EDIT: I'll see if I can dig up some good pics, then post them in the new thread, then. :cool:
OmniMower Aug 26, 2002, 03:40 AM Some suggestions of the marking on the sideplates.
http://C:\SolidWorks\Bilder\centurion\sideplate 2.jpg
OmniMower Aug 26, 2002, 03:47 AM hmmm.....where did that pic go???
How do you attach a pic in the message?? I cant get it right!
kemal69 Aug 26, 2002, 03:56 AM OmniMower: When you post a message, if you scroll down a little you will see at the bottom of your screen;
Attach File and a Browse Button, click on that, locate the image and your set, if its a jpeg, gif, pcx etc it will display as an image
OmniMower Aug 26, 2002, 04:01 AM Ah...got it! Thanx kemal69, didnt see that line before..... its to early in the morning...;)
Well here it is again.
/OmniMower
kemal69 Aug 26, 2002, 04:04 AM I really like the chevrons on the back/top image!
:goodjob:
OmniMower Aug 26, 2002, 05:26 AM Here is another idea.....
Hehe...messed around with a griffon on the side, but I dont know if it will show in the game (to detailed?)....IŽll try to finish that version and post it later.
/OmniMower
Kingpin Aug 26, 2002, 07:18 AM I like the <|| personally. But either of them will look good. This model is really progressing well.
OmniMower Aug 26, 2002, 09:22 AM Thanx Kingpin,
do you think the stripes should be wider? and what about the MG on the turret, put it on?
/OmniMower
Kingpin Aug 26, 2002, 09:33 AM Just as long as you can see the stripes on the rendered unit, it should be fine. You'd have to shrink your model down to the proper scale to check that...
As far as a MG goes, it's up to you. You're talking about a MG mounted on the top for the commander to fire, right? That might look nice, but it really would just be decoration.
OmniMower Aug 26, 2002, 09:40 AM Hey,
yeah, the MG for the com is only for deco, but it would be nice... I make one, and if it doesnt look good we can simple remove it.
I also test to do the stripes a lil wider... you have a nwe image in a few minutes...
/OmniMower
Kingpin Aug 26, 2002, 10:03 AM Let me see if I can post a picture here. The last time I tried to do that it didn't work.
OmniMower Aug 26, 2002, 10:16 AM EDIT: Posted the new image with side chevrons. Are going to put the stripes on top of the sides to.
Nice kingpin, old model?
I dont know if you saw the other question I had regarding spare parts on the front of the tank. Wich shall I put there, tyres or tracks.
Kingpin Aug 26, 2002, 10:44 AM It's not my model. It's from the Armoured Fighting Vehicle model website: http://www.msu.edu/user/storto/afv.htm. There's some interesting info on tanks from WWI to Modern day.
As for spare parts, I think I'd go with tracks. The model I have has two track parts mounted on the front of the chassis.
I just took a look at your latest image and downloaded it and miniaturized it to game scale. I think the markings on the side might not be noticable enough. That side is in a shadow, however. Perhaps a little wider on the <|| would be better. The turret rings look fine though.
OmniMower Aug 26, 2002, 11:02 AM OK Kingpin, great feedback! thanx,
IŽll change the stripes a bit and post a new image soon, and with the spare tracks on the front.
......what am I thinking????? havent put in that frontwheel YET!.....mmm.... I blame the beer ... hehe...;)
OmniMower Aug 26, 2002, 11:57 AM A new image is up....
Put the spare tracks on the front and made the stripes wider.
Kingpin,
can you scale it down and check if the Isometric degree is right? compare to the other units.
OmniMower Aug 26, 2002, 12:06 PM This how it looks from behind, anything missing?
Kingpin Aug 26, 2002, 12:11 PM That image looks good! Once the front wheel is on, I guess it's ready for the next stage, which is... ?
OmniMower Aug 26, 2002, 12:15 PM ANIMATION!! geeezzz.......I dont have full control over that prg...but IŽm working on it.
Kingpin Aug 26, 2002, 12:18 PM Okay,
Here's a pic of the approximate size of the final rendered unit. The civ markings are noticable, yet subtle.
OmniMower Aug 26, 2002, 12:18 PM The color on it, should it be Green, Desert or Camo?
Kingpin Aug 26, 2002, 12:22 PM I would think either green or camo using a combo of green and olive drab. Or should it be just olive drab. I wish there were some colour photos of it out there...
I've had a look, and most of the photos that are in colour seem to be green.
Make sure to get some dust or mud or something on it. It's got to look like it works for a living :)
Kingpin Aug 26, 2002, 12:36 PM A B&W photo of a British Centurion
Kingpin Aug 26, 2002, 12:38 PM And Another...
Kingpin Aug 26, 2002, 12:40 PM A Swedish version of the Centurion...
Kingpin Aug 26, 2002, 12:42 PM Another Swedish Centurion (MBT 104)
Kingpin Aug 26, 2002, 12:46 PM And one final pic:
An upgraded Swedish Centurion (MBT 105)
Kingpin Aug 26, 2002, 12:53 PM As far as the isometrics go, I'll have to get back to you on that in a later post. It looks right, but I'll have to put the Firaxis Modern Armour up against it and see for sure.
OmniMower Aug 26, 2002, 12:56 PM Hey, gotta love that Swedish M90 Camo!!!
I just posted the new image, with the frontwheel IN PLACE! YAY!
IŽve noticed that the turret front are diffirent from the one I made. Shall I change it?
And what shall we do about the blue chevrons?
I will go to work now, are going to finish the tracks tomorrow. Bring me some feedbacks on the unit........
/OmniMower
Polaris Aug 26, 2002, 01:02 PM Originally posted by OmniMower:
anything missing?
Yes, a swarm of Chinese infantry beating on the turret/hull with their rifle butts and fists. :lol: :lol:
Kingpin Aug 26, 2002, 01:07 PM :lol:
Oh man! I nearly choked on my Coca-Cola! As it is, I think some when up my nose!
Kingpin Aug 26, 2002, 01:13 PM Front Wheel: :goodjob:
Blue Chevrons: :goodjob:
Changing the Turret: Hmmm. It depends on if you're trying to do the original 1950's & 60's Centurion or the later models. (Being a Mk VIII it must be later?) It looks like, from those photos, that the Swedes added some additional armour plates on the front and modified the turret. Your model looks like the earlier un-modified Centurion. Perhaps you could do it both ways and have the un-mod Centurion as a unit in between the WWII style tank and the modern armour style Centurion?
Kingpin Aug 26, 2002, 01:59 PM Hey, it turns out that Canada did, in fact, have Centurions. We had three "squadrons" of them, one of which saw action in the Korean war. I have attached a picture of one of them that is now on display at the military base in Borden, Ontario, just outside of the Royal Military College.
kemal69 Aug 26, 2002, 04:57 PM Originally posted by Kingpin
Your model looks like the earlier un-modified Centurion. Perhaps you could do it both ways and have the un-mod Centurion as a unit in between the WWII style tank and the modern armour style Centurion?
Hey thats a good idea, you could then upgrade the unit to a better version of the same thing, that would be great for scenarios, and it would actually make sense to upgrade that way, in a way some upgrades leave the head spinning, imagine the poor engineers having to implement them :lol:
OmniMower Aug 26, 2002, 10:14 PM Ok, but I would need some stats on that. So its not only the armour that changed. Should the unit upgrade from an Mk V to Mk VIII just for better D?
Polaris Aug 26, 2002, 10:50 PM I would think that the single biggest change would be upgunning from the 20 pounder to the L7 105 mm. The upgrade could be reflected by raising the attack factor, with the defense value remaining the same.
Kingpin, I'm glad you got that little Imjin river reference.:lol:
OmniMower Aug 27, 2002, 07:10 AM Ok, Polaris, got it......
So the L7 gun made the turret look differnt to, as on the pic of the swedish version. i think that one looks better so I make one and see if it looks ok.
Kingpin Aug 27, 2002, 07:15 AM Really, the difference between the Mark V and Mark VIII is upgraded armour, turret and main gun, right?
I would make the the Mark VIII roughly equal to the firaxis modern armour (more or less... more likely a little less) and the Mark V in between the tank and modern armour. I would make it equal in stats to Smoking Mirror's T-55 tank, which was it's Russion contemporary.
But we're still a long way off of figuring out what stats to give it...
OmniMower Aug 27, 2002, 07:23 AM I have change the turret front a lil bit, putting the tracks on soon.
Polaris Aug 27, 2002, 07:44 AM I like Kingpin's idea about giving it stats very close to the stock Modern Armor. The only stat I would question would be the movement. Centurions weren't particularly fast and the Modern Armor seems to move at a pretty good clip.
OmniMower Aug 27, 2002, 10:08 AM K, everybody, need som second opinion on this one: can someone check if the angle is right?
HomeAir Aug 27, 2002, 10:41 AM It seems that middle front section (between the tracks) is a little short or slopes down to far or something. It just makes the tracks look like they are sticking way out in front of the tank. Some of the pictures in the this thread show what looks to be extra metal plating at that section. Maybe you could do that. Up to you, it's your unit. But overall it does look very good and everything else looks right on or so close that it is really difficult to tell the difference without nitpicking.
OmniMower Aug 27, 2002, 10:55 AM Yeah, probably because its no shadows, the tracks and the frontslope is aligned in a mategroup, so they are attached to each other. But I agree its look like they hoover.
The extra armor plating is on other versions on the Centurion, such as the Swede Strv 105.
/OmniMower
Kingpin Aug 27, 2002, 12:14 PM I think it looks spot on!
Polaris Aug 27, 2002, 03:37 PM Originally posted by Kingpin
I think it looks spot on!
I agree. Well done OmniMower.:goodjob:
Smoking mirror Aug 27, 2002, 04:19 PM I like it; Very nice.
I usualy use the T55 as an intermediate unit between the Tank and modern armour- Its difficult to decide when to have it come available, and what stats to give it; I have a Heavy tank (My tigertank) come with Rocketry and the advanced armour (T55) come with Nuclear power or Nuclear Fission- I give it stats somewhat less than the modern armour, and require less resources.
Kingpin Aug 27, 2002, 06:21 PM OmniMower,
I'm sorry that it has taken me so long to respond to your isometrics question. It is a little bit off. I'm not really even sure how to describe it to you...
I'll be back in a minute. A picture is worth a thousand words...
Kingpin Aug 27, 2002, 06:29 PM Okay... I'm back. I have (hopefully) attached a picture below that shows both the current view of the Centurion next to the Modern Armour. You can see that they are not quite the same perspective. The Centurion needs to be... up more and a little more to the back? Perhaps someone else could actually tell you the proper angles to be looking down on the unit...
OmniMower Aug 27, 2002, 08:58 PM You are right Kingpin,
but the rear image isnt in a Isometric view. The ones I was curious about was the one from the side and the front one.
Can you check them to?
kemal69 Aug 28, 2002, 02:49 AM I think that smoking mirror may have posted a message recently in a thread somewhere in this forum about the correct angles, I'll have a look and if I find it I will edit this post with a link. You might want to have a look yourself tho.
Edit: This is all I could find, I am sure someone posted some angle plans and such recently though I remember thinking, wow thats useful to know... but like most things that are useful to know, they are soon forgotten.
Original Quote by Smoking Mirror
For camera angles I usualy set the camera at 60 degrees from vertical (striaght down). Ithink this is what the firaxis usits were done as.
OmniMower Aug 28, 2002, 05:45 AM Thanx kemal69,
iŽll try it and post a few images, I hope you can cope with all my images, but this is one of the first units and I want it straoght from the beginning......
/OmniMower
kemal69 Aug 28, 2002, 06:12 AM You're doing great omnimower, I have never created a unit.
Edit: ie. never created a unit, in awe of those who do. ;)
I probably really shouldn't speak for everyone, but I think people enjoy seeing previews and being able to help and give input, and also see the progress. You've got quite a following here! :)
OmniMower Aug 28, 2002, 06:16 AM :) Great to hear that kemal69, thanx,
IŽll put out some new pics soon... I hope to begin with the animations soon....cant wait to get this done!!! :)
/omniMower
Kingpin Aug 28, 2002, 06:54 AM Yes, I'll check those too. *Message to self... remember... side and front... side and front* :)
OmniMower Aug 28, 2002, 06:57 AM :lol: Great Kingpin,
should we worry about you posting a mess to yourself? :lol:
Kingpin Aug 28, 2002, 07:01 AM OmniMower,
Only worry if I start to answer them :)
OmniMower Aug 28, 2002, 07:04 AM :lol: I WILL!!! :lol:
Kingpin Aug 28, 2002, 07:10 AM Ever have people wonder why you're sitting in front of your computer laughing to yourself?
OmniMower Aug 28, 2002, 07:14 AM Yepp, all the time! Especially my gf, thinks Im nuts! :lol:
Smoking mirror Aug 29, 2002, 07:01 PM I keep meaning to do an animation tutorial but inever seem to have time; I'm building up quite a collection of diagrams though and I may make one with my next unit.
Here is a diagram that I think shows the angle that the camera should be set at; this is how I do it, and it looks about right (I e-mailed firaxis asking about camera angles but all I managed to do was confuse them).
kemal69 Aug 30, 2002, 03:41 AM Go Smoking Mirror, thats the diagram I mentioned you had posted somewhere else. :goodjob:
Kingpin Aug 30, 2002, 06:55 AM I was in the middle of submitting this to the forum last night when the forum went down. Grrrr.
So here it is, the isometric perspectives from the side view of Centurion and the Modern Armour. Looks like the Cent. needs to have the left side dropped just a little bit to give it the same perspective as the mod. arm.
OmniMower Aug 30, 2002, 07:50 AM Hmmm, Smoking Mirror,
is it 60 degrees in all directions? ie N W S E?
and 45 (30) degrees in the isometric views?
I am gonna get into trouble here since the 3D prg I am using not works with cameras. It uses geometric planes, but I think I can set the angles on them to.
Kingpin,
you are so right, the image from the side is in only 30 degree angle, it should be 60 as Smoking Mirror stated.
IŽll get back to as soon I can, I have devoted my weekend to unit creation.... along with cold beer ofcourse!
/OmniMower
Kingpin Aug 30, 2002, 08:03 AM Be careful with that cold beer, Omnimower. It can distort that perspective somewhat, on occasion :) We'll know what happened if the next image you post is a little off...
Keep up the good work, OmniMower. This is shaping up to be a first-class unit. You've certainly got some talent there. The Centurion is looking awesome so far.
I imagine the rendering of the unit will be a bit of a challenge, but be patient with it. There are many people in this forum who are willing to assist you if you need help.
OmniMower Aug 30, 2002, 08:09 AM Thanx Kingpin! :)
Always good to hear that you are on the right track!
Well the rendering part is the easy one (I hope we mean the same thing), the export thing is a lil black cloud hoovering above my head at the moment... but I will solve it!
I thought that the beer made you more focused??? :) or is it just me being optimistic :lol:
/OmniMower
Kingpin Aug 30, 2002, 08:30 AM Hmmmm. From personal experience, I can't really say about the beer. I'm a non-drinker. Always have been. Always will be.
I'm not sure that we're talking the same thing regarding rendering. That's really not my field at all. I've reached the length of my artistic talent with this: O-<--< (in case you can't tell what it is, it a person sleeping :))
And that export thing will work out. Have a great weekend, buddy!
OmniMower Aug 30, 2002, 08:48 AM Will do mate! You have a good tima on the weekend to....
About the rendering: when I talk about render I mean the last thing you do with a model... when you put on lights, textures and other things that are in the "final image" Do you mean that?
and good luck being a non-drinker, I admire those who are that I can resist it. The only thing I am is a non-smoker, always been and will always be.... (never tested it either) its the most useless invention the world have ever seen!!!
Kingpin Aug 30, 2002, 09:05 AM By rendering, I was meaning taking the final image and turning it into a flc file. I guess I used the wrong word there. Whatever. I'm sure you've got the whole process figued out...
OmniMower Aug 30, 2002, 09:07 AM Almost.... as I said, its the export thing that bothers me now.....but I figure it out! :)
OmniMower Aug 30, 2002, 09:27 AM This is how the Centurion looks in a 60 degree front view.
What is the angle to use from the sides?
If the image look funny its Žcause its not rendered yet.
/OmniMower
Kingpin Aug 30, 2002, 09:32 AM That seems like it's too great of an angle. Shouldn't it bee the same angle as the side view? I'll have to compare this to the firaxis unit when I get home.
OmniMower Aug 30, 2002, 09:34 AM Yeah i thought so to, but this is the 60 degree angle, and the side view is now in a 45 degree angle.. i put on to...wait a few sec
OmniMower Aug 30, 2002, 09:35 AM here it is
Kingpin Aug 30, 2002, 09:38 AM That one matches up to the Mod. Arm. perfectly. Definitely go with 45 degrees on the side views.
OmniMower Aug 30, 2002, 09:40 AM Great!!! Damn...why isnt the tracks in place????? *stupid swede* :lol:
OmniMower Aug 30, 2002, 10:02 AM Here are a 4 view compilation
Kingpin Aug 30, 2002, 10:13 AM I'll let you know, later, if 45° or the 60° front view looks better. I'll take this comparison and put the Mod. Arm. un the middle so we can see which of the two match it's perspective. Right now, I'm betting on the 45° angle, although that goes against what Smoking Mirror suggested. He would know better than I would.
OmniMower Aug 30, 2002, 10:14 AM Agree, we have to see later on wich one it is. IŽll wait for you.
/OmniMower
Kingpin Aug 30, 2002, 10:16 AM It's going to be... six or seven hours at least, I'm afraid.
OmniMower Aug 30, 2002, 10:17 AM Hehe...Im up!
Kingpin Aug 30, 2002, 10:20 AM Sweden would be... five hours ahead of central Canada?
OmniMower Aug 30, 2002, 10:21 AM yep...so in six ours it will be almost 00.00 here... but since I worked nights this week I think IŽll be up...try! :)
Kingpin Aug 30, 2002, 10:24 AM You better hope I don't forget!
*Message to self: Don't forget!*
Smoking mirror Aug 30, 2002, 12:12 PM Try doing a SE or SW view, these usualy give you the best indication of the correct angle. It looks like 45 degrees may be the best for your program, but you won't be able to tell till you do the SE or SW view.
Kingpin Aug 30, 2002, 12:16 PM OmniMower,
If you can post what Smoking Mirror has suggested I'll shrink them up this evening and post a comparison with one of Firaxis's stock units.
OmniMower Aug 30, 2002, 12:17 PM Hi Smoking Mirror,
well Im lil confused here, I study Dark SheerŽs How to thing and he said that the angle for the views are at 30 degrees (SW SE so on) isometric, but since you get a good angle at 60....
Its darn funny how it can look different between platforms with the same angle.....
OmniMower Aug 31, 2002, 09:52 AM YAY!!! The tracks is in place...so what do you think. :)
OmniMower Aug 31, 2002, 04:41 PM OK, here is a rendered preview with the swede camo M90, its not complete but should get some idea if its right or wrong.
OmniMower Aug 31, 2002, 05:33 PM to remember, the camo pattern is assign to every surface on this 3D model, therefor the different apperance of the same camo.... we are working on that...:)
Nd we lost the side chevrons...they are back in place in notime!
OmniMower Aug 31, 2002, 05:48 PM this is another image (oh no not more images...YES), that shows the real background and improved camo texturing.,....
OmniMower Aug 31, 2002, 05:50 PM And yes the blue chevrons isnt in place yet .:)
Kingpin Aug 31, 2002, 06:16 PM Here is another isometric view. I hope you didn't wait up for it, OmniMower.
OmniMower Aug 31, 2002, 06:17 PM ****, that is no good.... we are at the momont using 3D Studio Max for the best result and we dont put our cameras at the right locatoin... but does the tank look good overall???
Kingpin Aug 31, 2002, 06:20 PM Oops.
You got a screen shot of my entire desktop there... Not what I had in mind. Let try this again...
OmniMower Aug 31, 2002, 06:20 PM Kingpin,
i can always count on you!
Kingpin Aug 31, 2002, 06:22 PM Does it look good? I think good is an understatment. It looks great. Although, you might want to oversize the camo on your model so it can be distinguished more on the miniature.
Tracks look great. Awesome.
OmniMower Aug 31, 2002, 06:25 PM Yeah, we are working on the camo thing... we got a .jpg on the camo and assaign it to each of the diff surfaces, therefor the funny looking.... but we are working on it....Thanx for the great words Kingpin!
Kingpin Aug 31, 2002, 06:28 PM They're just honest words, OmniMower. If that makes them great, so be it.
I'm just civin' & surfin' right now so if you need some more opinions and such, I'll be around for an hour or so (as long as my ISP doesn't let me down).
OmniMower Aug 31, 2002, 06:36 PM Ofcourse they are great!!! Every word that critisise this unit are welcome.....
I just whanŽt it to be usefull.........
Republic_Outlaw Aug 31, 2002, 06:46 PM Great start! Im lookin forward to this one ;)
OmniMower Sep 01, 2002, 05:58 AM New camo image....
OmniMower Sep 01, 2002, 07:06 AM Here is a image to compare the Centurion with Modern Armor, as posted by Kingpin.
OmniMower Sep 01, 2002, 09:05 AM Here is a green version of the Centurion. The lighting is not complete, but it shows the green color.
/OmniMower
kemal69 Sep 08, 2002, 02:49 AM Looking good omnimower. Quite an adventure for your first tank eh??
I like the green version.
OmniMower Sep 08, 2002, 02:52 AM nah... its screams like a stop light!
dont ya think?
kemal69 Sep 08, 2002, 02:54 AM Not sure about other countries, but I do suspect the green might be a little dark, I think this was more the green used?
OmniMower Sep 08, 2002, 02:55 AM yeah, along with the swedish camo version,
I think it has metal texture to, gonna get rid of that....
kemal69 Sep 08, 2002, 03:00 AM COol. I love the detail, your model looks so close to identical to the real thing its amazing. :goodjob:
kemal69 Sep 08, 2002, 03:10 AM Here's a bridge layer modification of the centurion MK III.
I just love this. Shame units like this have no use in civ 3
OmniMower Sep 08, 2002, 03:12 AM Yeah, I thought about that before. Why cant you build bridges over those tiny bits of sea that usual are between to landmasses? (landmasses? nice word, couldnt you come up with a better one? Nopp, sorry) :D
kemal69 Sep 08, 2002, 03:30 AM heh yea plonk a centurion bridgemaker in the water and whammo. :)
OmniMower Sep 08, 2002, 03:33 AM Does that require new programming, ya think?
kemal69 Sep 08, 2002, 03:35 AM I think it would be like paddling up a waterfall with a pitchfork. :) The game has no support for such concepts at all.
:(
Dragon King Sep 17, 2002, 01:57 AM What ever happened to this unit, is it still under construction?
OmniMower Sep 17, 2002, 04:01 AM Yes it is, I was waiting for the angles to come right.
We tested a few diff sets with the JAS 39 Gripen , and I think we got it right.
kemal69 Sep 17, 2002, 08:51 AM Cool omnimower. this unit may be just the thing I need to bring about my salvation... The lure to the darkside is becomign almost uncontrollable... I am sure you know what I mean. :D
OmniMower Sep 17, 2002, 03:23 PM NOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!! dont turn to the dark side!!!!
Use da force, kemal!!! :D
Dragon King Sep 17, 2002, 04:18 PM sweeeeeeet
OmniMower Sep 17, 2002, 04:24 PM Sweeeet as sween can be :D
kemal69 Sep 18, 2002, 09:43 AM The dark... Its calling... I can't fight it...
Any news on the unit omni?
OmniMower Sep 18, 2002, 01:15 PM No damn news what so ever...
I beginning to get furious!!!
Kingpin Sep 20, 2002, 12:10 PM OmniMower,
Are your still working on the Centurion? I certainly hope this wasn't one of the ones that fell victim to your computer crash. Somehow, your crash is probably Microsoft's fault...
Polaris Sep 20, 2002, 12:48 PM Originally posted by Kingpin:
Somehow, your crash is probably Microsoft's fault...
Undoubtedly, Bill Gates is the sworn enemy of fun.;)
kemal69 Sep 21, 2002, 07:02 AM Omni informs me the centurion base is intact... *sigh of relief*
P.S. he's unable to post for a week as some of you probably already know, but for those of you who don't.
Kingpin Sep 22, 2002, 12:47 PM OmniMower also informs me that he's still working on the Centurion and plans to complete it.
OmniMower Sep 28, 2002, 11:21 AM Hi everybody,
This unit got damaged under my software crash....
I have to remodel half the unit, but I will get it on....
Thanx for your patience
/OmniMower
kemal69 Sep 30, 2002, 03:24 AM What do we want???
We want centurion!!!
When do we want it???
We want it now!!!
*Just joking omni*
Kingpin Sep 30, 2002, 07:04 AM Hey OmniMower,
Welcome back. I hope the damage to the Centurion wasn't too extensive. It was coming along so nicely too... Let me know if there is anything I can do to help.
OmniMower Sep 30, 2002, 07:39 AM Thanx Kingpin,
I will surely contact you if I need any help...... wich I think I need!
kemal.....mmmm who waits.......
kemal69 Sep 30, 2002, 04:08 PM Originally posted by OmniMower
.... a perfect weekend is a bunch of beer and my 1001 unfinished units!
Your girlfriend didn't even rate a mention???
Actually thats ok. Anytime spent on the centurion is a good thing.
:D
Vdog Sep 30, 2002, 04:26 PM Is this unit gona be finished ever?
OmniMower Oct 01, 2002, 09:24 AM Originally posted by Vdog
Is this unit gona be finished ever?
Yes, I hope so Vdog, but it was damage due to the crash I had... ...and again, I need someone to animate it.....:D
Eliminator Oct 06, 2002, 12:16 PM So.....how are we doing with this unit?? can't wait when it will be finnished!
Kingpin Oct 07, 2002, 10:17 AM I sure wish I knew how to animate... Anyone have tips on how to get started???
OmniMower Oct 07, 2002, 02:15 PM I only have to learn FLICster, then this one will be done.
Eliminator Oct 08, 2002, 11:13 AM lmao.....when will this happen? :P
OmniMower Oct 08, 2002, 12:02 PM About NOW, just got the hang of it! :lol: Just lil more time
Eliminator Oct 09, 2002, 01:19 PM Hurry up m8 :D I'm almost done with my game...i'm in the year 2032!! I will add all the new units that i missed during playing. So I hope your units will be in there 2......cant wait!
OmniMower Oct 09, 2002, 01:31 PM Hang in there buddy!......
Boulboulgadol Oct 10, 2002, 06:32 PM OmniMower, you see, that's the problem of posting previews. You can't have any delay or our fanatic fox will burry you ! :)
They are rude, aren't they ? They want it so quickly...
So when is it going to be done ? :D
You're late !!!
OmniMower Oct 10, 2002, 06:34 PM Well, I fear that the files are to much damage, so I have to remodell this one from scratch!
...and therefor, it will take time! ...sorry about that. :(
OmniMower Oct 10, 2002, 06:37 PM Damn shame thou, I was really pleased how this one came out! It looks good.
Eliminator Oct 11, 2002, 06:11 AM DAmm what did u do?
Dragon King Oct 20, 2002, 09:50 AM What happened to the unit? I've been looking forward to this one.
OmniMower Oct 26, 2002, 03:26 AM Swedish Weaponry and Units
If you like Swedish weaponry and units, please join me in the Carolean Armory at CDG today!
/Omni
OmniMower May 24, 2003, 05:03 PM Ok, Im gonna give this beuty another try now :D ... I hope Ill do that without another crash *knock on wood*
Risbinroch May 24, 2003, 05:06 PM Please do, this will be cool...
OmniMower May 24, 2003, 05:07 PM Keyword: try :D
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