I'm not certain if the topic is proper English, but I'm not certain of many things these days and sentance syntax and grammer do not concern me nearly as much as the concerns that have led me to posting in this forum. Sorry about the long sentance.

Okay, down to business then? Good.

First order of business
I am trying to contact a man named "el mencey," I belive. I am using a map of Europe in my scenario that apparently is authored by him -the map, not the scenario- and I'd like to get permission from him to use his map in my scenario. A friend of mine sent me this map and when i saw it in the glorious civ3 edit I thought "man that'd make for a great WW1 scenario map." Perhaps it shall should El Mency make contact with me.

Second Order of Business
I am having a tough time deciding whether to have

1.)the scandinavian nations as unique entities and turning the various balkan nations into parts of the empires they were proxies of or

2.)Having the scandinavian nations as part of a neutral civ (along with Switzerland) and having Rumania, Serbia, and Bulgaria as unique nations.

As is the human player is the Germans (they seemed like the most interesting power to play during this conflict). The nations are:

Germany(includes Germany, Alsac Lorraine-part of modern France-, part of modern poland, and East Prussia)
Ruler: Kaiser Wilhelm II
Government: Monarchy
Leaders: Hutier - the best ww1 general imho
Richtoffen- the red Baron
Luddendorf - big general
Rommel - became famous fighting Italy in ww1
Hindenburg - big general
Von Falkenhayen - brilliant general
Paul Von Lettow-Vorbeck - the reason that Germany kept in Africa for as long as it did

France(includes France, Corsica, Tunisia,Algeria,and Morrocco);
Ruler: Premeir Alexandre Ribot (so many choices for france, I may do Clemencau or Poincare instead)
Government: Democracy (Granted, it wasn't so in the French colonies)
Leaders:Foch- supreme commander of French forces
Petain- the man who saved the French army from total mutiny
Neville- random general
Joffre- random general
De Gaulle - fought at Verdun didn't he?



United Kingdom (includes Ireland, England, Scotland, Malta, Cyprus, and Egypt)
Ruler:Prime Minister David Llyod George
(he wasn't PM when the war started but he was for most of the war so I think he's a good choice)
Government: Republic
Leaders:Allenby- the reason why Palestinians and Israelis are in the situation that they are in now
Haig- how could I not include this butcher?
T.E. Lawrence- Surely you've heard of him
Jan Smuts- South African general who
Maude- random general
Townshend - random general



Italy(includes Italy, Sardinia, Sicily, and Libya)
Ruler:King Vittorio Emmanueule III
Government: Monarchy
Leaders:General Luigi Cardona-supreme commander of Italian forces
Commander Luigi Capello-random general
General Armando Diaz- man that replaced Cardona

Austria-Hungary(includes Austria, Hungary, and chunks of modern Poland)
Ruler:Emperor Franz Josef
Government: Monarchy
Leaders:Karl von Pflanzer-Baltin - random general
Borojevic von Bojna - random general


Netherlands
Ruler: Queen Wilhelmina
Government: Monarchy
Leaders: Henry of Mecklenburg-Schwerin - the queen's hubby

Belgium
Ruler:King Albert I
Government: Monarchy
Leaders: Albert I



Spain(includes Spain and spanish morocco)
Ruler: King Alfonso XIII
Government: Monarchy
Leaders: Eduardo Dato - Prime Minister in 1917
Miguel Primo de Rivera - General who lead a military dictatorship in the 1920s


Greece
Ruler: King Constantine I
Government: Monarchy
Leaders:Eleutherios Venizelos - pro allies Prime Minister

The Ottoman Empire(includes Turkey, Jordan, modern Palestine-Israel, Syria, Lebanon, and Iraq)
Ruler: Sultan Mehmet Rechad V
Government: Monarchy
Leaders: Enver Pasha - their Donald Rumsfield (in sooo many ways)
Mustafa Kemal- the man who would remake Turkey
Abdul Kerim - random general


the Russian Empire (Russia, the baltic nations, belarus, ukraine, the nations of the caucas, finland, and chunks of Poland);
Ruler: Tsar Nicholas Romanov II
Government: Despotism
Leaders: General Brusilov - the man who taught Hutier his tactics
General Kornilov - failed reactionary coup leader
General Yudenich- brilliant general in the caucas
General Myshlaevsky -commander of the caucas front
Kerensky -head of provisional government
Lenin - first head of soviet state
Trotsky- libertarian critic of stalin's soviet state

Portugal
Ruler: Emperor Afonso Augusto da Costa (i'm not certain if my info is correct please feel free to correct me)
Government: Monarchy
Leaders:Afonso Augusto da Costa

Switzerland
Ruler: President Arthur Hoffmann
Government: democracy
Leaders:Giuseppe Motta
Camille Decoppet
Edmund Schulthess
Felix-Louis Calonder
Gustave Ador
(all are future Swiss presidents)

Denmark
Ruler: King Christian X
Government: Monarchy
Leaders: King Christian X

Norway
Ruler:King Håkon VII
Government: Monarchy
Leaders: Håkon VII

Sweden
Ruler:King Gustav V
Government: Monarchy
Leaders: Gustav V


Now, I might have A neutral civ with a capital in Zurich, Hoffman as the ruler and Håkon VII, King Christian X, and Gustav V as leaders. That way I could have Rumania, Serbia, and Bulgaria as independant nations. I don't know which I wish to do. The scandinavian nations did formally declare their neutrality in a treaty that their rulers signed, so it'd make sense to have them in a neutral civ but it sure was fun while I was playtesting to have Sweden join my war effort, Norway keeping me well funded, and denmark declaring war on me.

I'm also wondering about special units. I'll let the Ruskies keep the Cossak but I'm having trouble deciding on unique units for the WW1 nations. I won't let the Germans keep their panzer, its just too powerful and its anachronistic.

Third
I need playtesters and people to help me in certain regards with placing structures in cities. For the life of me I can't get everything I want into the cities. Its very vexing.


Well thanks in advance for any advice or offers of aid and support.

There is a thread where a WW1 MOD will be created: Click here (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=27394)

In this thread, there is already much material you could use...


Some ideas:

Austria-Hungary included Czechoslovakia, Slovenia, Croatia, "chunks" of Ukraine, and Romania as well! and around 1912 they also got Bosnia..

If you say "Kaiser Wilhelm II" you should say "Kaiser Franz Joseph" as well!

Ja das ist richtig. While I realize that Franz was also a "Kaiser" I wasn't thinking of that when writing my post. Also, I knew that Austria Hungary was of the deminsions that you just mention,once more I didn't catch it during the post.

Thanks for the link and the the reply, however. I'm thinking that I'll set this scenario in 1912 or so (granted, the year clock will say 4000 BC but hey what can you do?) because I can't set diplomacy... GRRR!

Forget about the clock.... You can't set the date...
Much bad things were already spoken in this forums about that....
:mad:


About the starting: Diplothings are made this way: you start the szenario, then save it, and then alter the savegame with an savegame editor...
The "Player" starts the Szenario over the savegame then...

But for an Great War Szenario, it would be possible to start in 1900 - then you wouldn't need to set any Diplothings. That will depend on the players then. You can make all the Civs aggressive and expansionist.. I think war's are very likely then!

Good luck!

Just an idea, but if including Communism you could set its war weariness to the highest setting to represent its 'anti-imperial' mindset at THIS time (so once Russia, etc goes communist they pull out as was historical)

Yeah, that was my thinking, danielshannon, set it in 1900 so that that the diplomatic situation is fairly fluid.

Re: communism, one thought I had was to actually make the communist "red guard" UU dependent on the communist tech, or even on the communist government, so the Russians would be encouraged to go that route...

Hopefully PTW will arrive with all sorts of new editor toys to solve these problems, though.

Are you looking at just Europe or the whole world?

I will propably make a Red Guard unit...
I' just not sure on what unit it should be based....

I think of a more green uniform, with a red dot on the green cap...
Then of a Cic-colord backpack or so...

I suggest to give the Russians the Red color - then it would look great...
But on the other side.. At 1900 it would look better to give the British Red, and White to the Russians...

I was looking at just Europe. I'll send you what I have if you are interested.


Here is what I have so far:
http://www.geocities.com/danielshannon.geo/ww1.zip

I also included the original map upon which this scenario is based. I still have yet to get ahold of the author of the original map. This is a work in progress, a lot of cities have not had all of their buildings placed yet, but I think I've got all the cities that I want in their. Check out the end game summary map, it looks very much like a political map from that era. I also need to put in the names of leaders for the Balkan nations (originally I was going to have the Scandinavian nations as unique entities, so these civs still have scandinavian leader names).

Ooh, in regards to Communism, I was already thinking of going that route vis a vis the war weariness. The Communist unique unit is a good idea. I wish I could change the leader's name based on government type.

I like what I'm seeing in your zip!

Great job! :goodjob:

Your city placement is superb!


Only change the civ-colors! Ottomans / Italians, and Neutrals / Netherlands have the sme color...

BTW: I noticed a Barbarian camp south of Rabat and Tangiers... is this purpose, or did you forget to delete it?

Thanks for letting me know about the barb camp. I didn't notice it. When you play the scenario the civs show up in different colors they only appear the same color in the editor. Or at least thats how it works on my computer. I'm glad that you like my city placement.

By the way, I hear that you are Austrian. Is that stimmt?


I must add however that it is the excellent map that allowed for the decent city placement. Congrats to whoever was the original author of this map. Please get in touch with me so that I may use your map in a scenario.

By the way, I hear that you are Austrian. Is that stimmt?
Yeap.. true to the bone :D

BTW: You used "stimmt" in a context of "right" ... But "stimmt" is a hard word with the grammar...
you could say "Ist das wahr" (is that true) or
"Stimmt das?" (is that right?)
If you wan't to translate "is that right" you should say "Ist das richtig"

But great work anyway! :goodjob:


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And you are right.. The Europe Map is gigantic and real good!

I have recieved the author's permission to use his map in my Scenario!
Any suggestions for units?

hmmm

Heavy and Light Cavalry ...
Tanks ...
Normal Infantry, Flamethrower,
Maybe some kind of cruise missile that works as C-Attack....
Artillery
Zeppelin
Biplane, Triplane
...
Much ships!
In ww1 The German's proudesd and strongest part was the Navy!


As much UUs as possible...
e.g.

Some Camel Riders for the British in Arabia against the ottomans...
Austria could have Kürassier (heavy Cavalary) and husars (light Cavalry)
Italia and Austria could have Alpini (Alpine Infantry)
Legion Etranger for the French...
Cossaks for the Russians, maybe Red Guard after changing to Communism...
...

I will think of more!

Thanks for the suggestions. I think that your Foreign Legion unit would fit into this scenario nicely. Any ideas on how I could limit it to only being buildable in some North African cities? The Camel Riders idea is also a good one. As is the Alpine infantry idea, Caporetto anyone? That was a glorious operation for Austria.
Would Husars be limited to Austria? I thought that the Germans called theirs that as well.
Are their any good Zeppelin and Calvary units that have been previously made? I like the idea of poison gas being used like a missle unit. All are very good ideas. Thank you very much.

You could limit the Foreign Legion troop builds by requiring a North African (only) resource, placing no ports in North Africa, and by not allowing new ports to be built during the scenario.

Thats a swell idea...

Actually it should work well both ways by denying North Africa the ability to build the more resource intensive units as well (France never built battleships in Oran anyway).

As far as I can tell, just require some Europe-only resource to build a harbor. Then unless someone opens an overland trade route no one can build one in North Africa. Or (and I haven't tested either of these ideas but the THEORY seems good :) ) you could just build no new Harbors at all by making their required tech say "Synthetic Fibers".

Antiochus VII ...

That's a great idea!



danielshannon

If you give Austira and Italy Alpine Infantry, don't call them "Alpini" because that's the italian name.. just call them "Alpine Infantry" - then yiu an use one unit for two nations..

About the Husar...
Strictly a "Husar" must be of Hungarian origin, but it mixed up in Eastern Europe.. e.g. the light Riders of the Polish are named "Ulans", but they are often calles "Husaren" as well.
"Cossacs" are very the same, but have another name, they are a bit north eastern...

I can only say that Austria had defenitely "Husaren" Regiments.. I doin't know if the Germans had one...

The best is to go to google and search for ww1 Regiments lists...

I suggest that most historical correct UUs schould be used ;)

Hello danielshannon. Where I can download your scenario?
Thanks

el mencey, me encanta tu mapa de la Península Ibérica. Excelente trabajo! :goodjob:

Gracias mi General Pablostuka ;)
A ver si te pasas por el foro hispano de apolyton.
Yo estoy más allí por el asunto del idioma, no domino el Inglés.
Muy buenas unidades, preséntalas allí también.

Saludos

Gracias por la invitación...ya me pasaré a saludar :D

Hey, I posted the link on the first page of this thread. It was
http://www.geocities.com/danielshannon.geo/ww1.zip

however, this is still a work in progress, I'm still working on it.



























http://www.rathergood.com/vikings/

http://www.rathergood.com/vikings/

that is hilarious!!!

Yes, it amused me as well

Government: Republic
Come on Britain was and still is a constitutional monarchy. How to represent this: Create a new government with mixed stats from Democracy and Monarchy. Note: Remeber Republic is meant to represent the early democracies e.g. Athens, Rome (read the civilopedia).
As for ships there is at least 1 good drednought animation and a somewhat comical predrednought. However for a super drednought you may need to use the Bismark class (true its a ww2 ship but it was ultimatly developed from a ww1 design). There are also some packs of ww1 air units.

A "somewhat comical" predreadnaught? It's one of the best units available, take my word for it.

You're going to be hurting on ships. There are no smaller ships for WWI around here, and the Dreadnought doesn't have civ-specific colors.

I was away for two weeks..

How is the project coming along?

It goes well, I'll post a new version of what I have in a week.

Cool, Can't wait....

I'm waiting till PTW comes out to see what kind of goodies are in its editor. I should have a more complete version posted in the next week or two.