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DVS
Jan 14, 2009, 05:41 AM
Ok, there are great ideas for wonders floating around the forum, let's get them all in here and I'll start adding them.


So far...


National Wonders are about finished:


http://a.imagehost.org/0849/World2009_nationalWonders.jpg

http://a.imagehost.org/0718/World2009_natWonders1.jpg


World Wonders:

I have a list of about 20 existing wonders that I am in the process of adding. These:


The Bolshoi Theatre in Moskow (http://forums.civfanatics.com/downloads.php?do=file&id=9536).
The Semperoper in Dresden (http://forums.civfanatics.com/downloads.php?do=file&id=9536).
The Bourla Theatre in Antwerpen (http://forums.civfanatics.com/downloads.php?do=file&id=9536).
The Old Opera House in Frankfurt (http://forums.civfanatics.com/downloads.php?do=file&id=9536).
BBC Broadcasting House (http://forums.civfanatics.com/downloads.php?do=file&id=10839).
White House (http://forums.civfanatics.com/downloads.php?do=file&id=966).
CN Tower (http://forums.civfanatics.com/downloads.php?do=file&id=964).
Big Ben (http://forums.civfanatics.com/downloads.php?do=file&id=2442).
Leaning Tower of Pisa (http://forums.civfanatics.com/downloads.php?do=file&id=2481).
Olympiastadion 2006 (http://forums.civfanatics.com/downloads.php?do=file&id=3342).
Arc de Triomphe (http://forums.civfanatics.com/downloads.php?do=file&id=3352).
The Gateway Arch (http://forums.civfanatics.com/downloads.php?do=file&id=3361).
Sydney Opera House (http://forums.civfanatics.com/downloads.php?do=file&id=3497).
Washington monument (http://forums.civfanatics.com/downloads.php?do=file&id=4275).
Las Vegas Strip (http://forums.civfanatics.com/downloads.php?do=file&id=4359).
Burj Al Arab (http://forums.civfanatics.com/downloads.php?do=file&id=4376).
Trafalgar Square (http://forums.civfanatics.com/downloads.php?do=file&id=7056).
Hubble Space Telescope (http://forums.civfanatics.com/downloads.php?do=file&id=11301). (not sure who should get this)
Wembley stadium (http://forums.civfanatics.com/downloads.php?do=file&id=10633).
Olympic stadium (http://forums.civfanatics.com/downloads.php?do=file&id=10586). (should go to China I think)
Fa Men Si temple (http://forums.civfanatics.com/downloads.php?do=file&id=9740).
Shrine of Imam Reza (http://forums.civfanatics.com/downloads.php?do=file&id=9556).

Custom ideas:
1:
Reserve Currency (Dollar -> USA)
+25% Gold in each city
+1 Trade Route in each city with a bank
+2 relationship with civs with free market or a similiar civic
-2 relationship with civs with communistic/state property civics

2:
Secondary reserve currency (Euro -> EU)
+15 % Gold in each city
+1 Trade Route in eacht city with a bank
+1 relationship with civs with free market or a similiar civic
-1 relationship with civs with communistic/state property civics

3:
Burj Dubai- Dubai, UAE
+25% Gold
+2 Trade Routes
City more likely to Generate Great Engineer

4:
Three Gorges Dam- near Yichang, China
Provides power for all cities on this continent

City more likely to generate Great Engineer

5:
Freedom Tower- New York, U.S.
+1 happiness in all cities
-15% maintenance in all cities
City More Likely to Generate Great Engineer

6:
Chicago Spire- Chicago, U.S.
+50% Gold
+1 Happiness
City More Likely to Generate Great Engineer

7:
Danyang–Kunshan Bridge- Kunshan, China
+1 rail movement
+25% Production in all cities

8:
Petronas Towers- Kuala Lumpur
+50% Culture
-25% Maintenance
+1 Happiness

Also we need bonus ideas for these two (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?p=7708057&postcount=71).



Updated: Basically, what we need now are buildable World Wonders that will be unlocked with our tech tree (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?p=7641954&postcount=77). See page #5, and please post your ideas! Nothing too futuristic, we should try to find things that are likely to be achieved within the next 40 or so years. But, nothing that is already built.

DVS
Jan 14, 2009, 05:48 AM
It would be great if one or several of you guys would find existing wonders we can add. Go through the download section (http://forums.civfanatics.com/downloads.php?do=cat&id=1), find wonders that currently exist in reality (or could exist in the near future, ie cure for cancer) and would work well with our mod, and post the links here. I'll add them.

For example, assuming the creator is cool with it, I'll take the tar sands and Hockey Night in Canada wonders from the Canada mod, and we'll put them in Calgary and Toronto respectively.

We can add as many of these as we want. Then we can tweak their bonuses to make sure they keep the game on track, existing world wonders especially. For example we'll make the ones that will start out in cities combine to help us recreate the current state of civs' GDP, research, etc etc. Hope that makes sense.

I'm not going to have time to find these myself, but if you guys find them, someone will add them. The more you guys find, the better version 1.0 of the mod will be.

sheep21
Jan 14, 2009, 06:28 AM
i wqas thinking of these:

Container Terminal (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Container_terminal)
+1 hammers from City
+15% gold from city
+1 Trade Route
Requirements: Must already have Harbour in city.

US\NATO\EU\China\Japan\India start with multiple container ports

DoD\MoD (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defence_Department)
+1 free upgrade in all new units built.
-5 hammers on cost of all military units to reflect the stream lining of procurement and high efficiency and orginisation.

Central Bank (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_bank)
+15% Gold production from all cities
Requires Bank in all cities and one stock exchange

Starting building for alot of developed countires

Naval Dockyard (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMNB_Devonport)
Naval units cost 10& less
Naval Units heal 10% faster
+2 hammers
Naval Units constructed in city gain one extra free upgrade
Requirements: City must have a Dockyard and a Harbour

again a stating building (perhaps neccasery to build advanced ship designs?)
or would they be best for normal building?

DVS
Jan 14, 2009, 06:35 AM
An existing world wonder we have to include is the Palm Islands in Dubai. If someone wants to figure out bonuses etc for that one I would appreciate it, you guys have that down a lot more than I do.

As far as I can see this idea has been kicked around in other mod forums, but never created. I'd be happy to do the XML and button for this, and I'm going to try to teach myself 3d art, I'll probably make this the first building I try. (assuming no one finds it elsewhere).

DVS
Jan 14, 2009, 06:38 AM
yes that's right, you posted those in the other wonders thread, I'll add them. Great stuff.

I will go through that thread later and try to add all the applicable ideas. Thanks a lot for pointing out my laziness. :coffee:

DVS
Jan 14, 2009, 06:52 AM
From the features thread:

australia has a motorway system where needed and China is in the process of building a large motorway network.

Yes, but there are some questions here. Saying that Canada should start with the same highway wonder as the USA is very unrealistic. As someone who has a lot of experience on both, trust me.

We have one national highway that goes in a strait line across the country from Vancouver to Newfoundland basically. It is a hodgepodge of different quality highways, some better than others, none as good as any American interstate highway I have ever seen. Then we have good (decent?) highways from major southern cities (major + southern is almost redundant in Canada) to the USA.

Try to go anywhere else (eg 10 minutes north of the north most major city in a province), and you are taking your life in your own hands. Undivided, low quality highways, poorly maintained.

Then on the other hand you have the USA, which has a network of interstate highways that can get you anywhere in the country from anywhere else on huge, highly maintained highways. The difference in highways when you cross the border is a joke basically.

China is doing something like this on an even grander scale. As far as I know though, other highway systems (Canada, UK, Australia), are better than what less developed countries, but not in the same league as what the USA has and what China is building.

However, on a bit of a side note, recently the USA's network has been maintained less and less (bridges started to collapse etc). Not sure how to represent this, we probably can't.

Maybe this is represented simply by the USA having more cities connected, but something tells me there should be more to it. IMO the USA should be the only one to start with this national wonder, and maybe we can have China start with it halfway built or something.

Interested to hear your takes on this.

sheep21
Jan 14, 2009, 07:44 AM
I consider our Motorways equivelent to US Freeways, 6 or more Lane roads with a central barrier and higher speed limit.

List of UK Motorways (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_motorways_in_the_United_Kingdom)

German Autobahn network (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_Autobahns) the oldest in the world.

Autoroutes in belgium (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autoroute_(Belgium))

List of Autovias in spain (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roads_in_Spain)

List of Motorways in Eire (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motorways_in_the_Republic_of_Ireland)

Autobahn in Austria (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autobahn_(Austria))

Autostrade of Italy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autostrade_of_Italy)

just afew examples justifying in my mind Europe and NATO getting the wonder aswell :)

DVS
Jan 14, 2009, 07:51 AM
ok, so NATO and EU should have it too. Some others probably as well, I have no idea which.

Just not Canada, that much I know. We have a ways to go, so having to build a national wonder to catch up is appropriate.

Although, I suppose we could also represent this with just us having less tiles that contain railroads.

On another note, maybe we can make roads relevant again in the modern world, by having this wonder make road tiles closer to being equivalent to railroad tiles in terms of troop movement. That way we don't have to cover nations that have developed infastructure with railroads to give them an advantage over less developed nations. These countries can just have the improved roads, and then railways where they have rail in real life. And then once you build the high speed train national wonder, those improve. This way countries like the USA can have a more developed system than most, but still have room for improvement (like in reality). EU, Japan and others should have an advantage in high speed rail.

In that case, Canada and similar countries should start with the highway wonder.

DVS
Jan 14, 2009, 08:06 AM
then we can make it take a lot of turns to improve tiles to railroad

DVS
Jan 14, 2009, 10:38 AM
I left out your dockyard sheep, I think that is best as a regular building.

MasterOfDomain
Jan 14, 2009, 12:05 PM
[...] we have to include the Palm Islands in Dubai. If someone wants to figure out bonuses etc for that one I would appreciate it [...]

How about:

Palm Islands - Requires Harbour
(+1 Great Engineer)
+ 1 Population
+ 25% Gold in the city
+ 2 Great Engineers

MasterOfDomain
Jan 14, 2009, 12:46 PM
A few ideas I've had for wonders:

N - Olympic Stadium (+1 Great Artist)
+100% Culture
Colisseum +1 Gold

N -BBC Broadcasting House (http://forums.civfanatics.com/downloads.php?do=file&id=10839) (+1 Great Artist)
+ 20% Culture
+ 1 Free Artist

W - Secret Service HQ (use Security Beaurea graphic) (+1 Great Spy)
Requires Total Identification
No Anger in this city
+ 100% Espionage in this city
+ 10% Espionage in all cities on the continent

DVS
Jan 14, 2009, 12:48 PM
Perfect MasterOfDomain, exactly what we need.

NikNaks
Jan 14, 2009, 01:48 PM
There's already an awesome BBC wonder someone made a while back. The wonder movie's on YouTube, so we can rip it from there.

DVS
Jan 14, 2009, 02:03 PM
He linked to the existing file in his post. :-)

NikNaks
Jan 14, 2009, 02:12 PM
No, no. Someone actually made a wonder with another building and all sorts. Lemme dig it up.

DVS
Jan 14, 2009, 02:33 PM
Ahh cool, even better.

MasterOfDomain
Jan 14, 2009, 03:02 PM
I'm not great at finding existing content, and that download was the best I could find. Feel free to update anything I say with links!

DVS
Jan 14, 2009, 03:03 PM
no that was perfect, NikNaks just found something to add to it. We're going to use that building + the movie NikNaks found.

Joecoolyo
Jan 14, 2009, 05:34 PM
Heres a couple World Wonders, all of these are under construction (we can make it so the actual city is producing them in the game)

Burj Dubai- Dubai, UAE
+25% Gold
+2 Trade Routes
City more likely to Generate Great Engineer

Three Gorges Dam- near Yichang, China
Provides power for all cities on this continent

City more likely to generate Great Engineer

Freedom Tower- New York, U.S.
+1 happiness in all cities
-15% maintenance in all cities
City More Likely to Generate Great Engineer

Chicago Spire- Chicago, U.S.
+50% Gold
City More Likely to Generate Great Engineer

Danyang–Kunshan Bridge- Kunshan, China
+1 rail movement
+25% Production in all cities

That's all I have time to find now, I have to go study :cry:

NikNaks
Jan 15, 2009, 01:20 AM
I believe it's the Burj Al-Dubai (might be confused), but anyway. All of these are great! :goodjob:

Joecoolyo
Jan 15, 2009, 06:20 AM
I believe it's the Burj Al-Dubai (might be confused), but anyway. All of these are great! :goodjob:

Yeah, I always tend to mix up the two... anyways, thanks dude!

DVS
Jan 15, 2009, 12:45 PM
Should China be the only one to start with Maglev Train Rails? Searching around, it looks like the only one in existence is in Shanghai.

MasterOfDomain
Jan 15, 2009, 01:09 PM
Nice Joe, I was thinking of add the Burj, but didn't get around to it. The wonders you mention (under construction) should have enormous build times, to represent the manpower and years they take to make.
A few more ideas (both existing, proposed and eventual0:

N - Airport Expansion (+1 Great Engineer)
Requires Airport
+ 25% Gold
+ 4 trade routes
- 2 Popularity in the city

W - Channel Tunnel (+1 Great Engineer)
Requires Public Transportation
+ 2 Free Engineers
+ 4 Trade Routes in this city
(Should be built by Paris and London, I imagine that is possible)

ianinsane
Jan 15, 2009, 01:31 PM
What about some of the Wonders included in WoC Wonder Modpacks?
There's Arc de Triomphe (http://forums.civfanatics.com/downloads.php?do=file&id=10462) of Paris,
The good old Cure for Cancer, as well as the Gateway Arch (http://forums.civfanatics.com/downloads.php?do=file&id=10641),
And the Hungarian Parliament (?), Longevity and the Leaning Tower of Pisa (http://forums.civfanatics.com/downloads.php?do=file&id=10910)

ianinsane
Jan 15, 2009, 01:53 PM
Burj Al-Dubai- Dubai, UAE
+25% Gold
+2 Trade Routes
City more likely to Generate Great Engineer


For the Burj Al-Arab there's graphics (http://forums.civfanatics.com/downloads.php?do=file&id=4376).

ianinsane
Jan 15, 2009, 01:58 PM
The Brandenburg Gate (http://forums.civfanatics.com/downloads.php?do=file&id=7101)
The Trafalgar Square (http://forums.civfanatics.com/downloads.php?do=file&id=7056)
The Sydney Opera (http://forums.civfanatics.com/downloads.php?do=file&id=11132)
The Golden Gate Bridge (http://forums.civfanatics.com/downloads.php?do=file&id=10964)
The Sphinx (http://forums.civfanatics.com/downloads.php?do=file&id=10259)

Joecoolyo
Jan 15, 2009, 03:38 PM
For the Burj Al-Arab there's graphics (http://forums.civfanatics.com/downloads.php?do=file&id=4376).

Scratch that... NikNaks, you confused me lol! What I really meant was the Burj Dubai, the Burj Al-Dubai is a hotel completed within Dubai, what I really meant was the Burj Dubai, the one under construction... sorry for the confusion.

Joecoolyo
Jan 15, 2009, 03:42 PM
Should China be the only one to start with Maglev Train Rails? Searching around, it looks like the only one in existence is in Shanghai.

I think Japan also has one... here check out his link (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maglev_(transport)#Commercial_operation)

DVS
Jan 15, 2009, 03:43 PM
Thanks guys, all of those will go in. I'll post my first attempts at creating custom ones tonight or tomorrow (Maglev trains and Universal health care). I can't do the 3d art though, so these will have placeholders for now. But the buttons look pretty good so far IMO.

DVS
Jan 15, 2009, 03:44 PM
For the Burj Al-Arab there's graphics (http://forums.civfanatics.com/downloads.php?do=file&id=4376).

Swoit! That's a keeper. Even if we add the Burj Dubai as well.

DVS
Jan 15, 2009, 03:45 PM
I think Japan also has one... here check out his link (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maglev_(transport)#Commercial_operation)


check, thanks.

Joecoolyo
Jan 15, 2009, 04:04 PM
Swoit! That's a keeper. Even if we add the Burj Dubai as well.

Actually upon looking it up, its called the Burj Al Arab, it is the tallest building in the world exclusively used as a hotel. The other one (the lumbering giant) is still called the Burj Dubai. We can still do both, just a heads up on info :goodjob:

DVS
Jan 18, 2009, 10:24 AM
Maglev Trains will have to be a technology instead of a national wonder. I can't figure out how to increase movement on railroads with a building.

DVS
Jan 18, 2009, 10:46 AM
Should we rename the Heroic Epic or leave it as is?

DVS
Jan 18, 2009, 10:54 AM
...and should we make the Hubble Space Telescope (http://forums.civfanatics.com/downloads.php?do=file&id=11301) a world wonder that starts in either the USA or EU... or a national wonder?

MasterOfDomain
Jan 18, 2009, 11:12 AM
I think the Heroic Epic needs to be renamed, it brings forth images of warriors in Sparta cheering at it..

I have a lot of name ideas, but decide which ones you all like (if any, they're strikingly unoriginal):
- War Beacon
- War Memorial
- War Column (Nelson's Column)
- Ministry of War

DVS
Jan 18, 2009, 11:17 AM
Yeah I was thinking about making it more like a modern war memorial. Ministry of war is the ministry of defense, or pentagon, whatever we decide to call that one.

should I use the Washington monument artwork for this one? Or can you think of/find a better one to use?

MasterOfDomain
Jan 18, 2009, 11:24 AM
Or can you think of/find a better one to use?
There is a new war memorial here in Blighty: War Memorial (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/7040801.stm)
Additionally there is Nelson's Column in Trafalgar Square, another possible candidate.
Keeping it British.. :D

DVS
Jan 18, 2009, 11:34 AM
I can't make original 3d art. I am looking for existing ones.

I'm going to have Trafalgar Square as a world wonder.

MasterOfDomain
Jan 18, 2009, 11:44 AM
I can't make original 3d art. I am looking for existing ones.

I'm going to have Trafalgar Square as a world wonder.
Fair enough, but I considered it may have already been made graphically, or someone else could do that for us. Also I didn't know that Trafalgar Square was going to be a world wonder (yay). :lol:

DVS
Jan 18, 2009, 11:56 AM
Anything that can be found here (http://forums.civfanatics.com/downloads.php?do=cat&id=1) is made an can be used.

We have an art backlog as is, so we are trying to find at least placeholders for everything for now.

Glad you like the Trafalgar Square (http://forums.civfanatics.com/downloads.php?do=file&id=7056) wonder!

sheep21
Jan 18, 2009, 01:00 PM
for the war memorial wonder?
The Cenotaph (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cenotaph)

DVS
Jan 18, 2009, 03:04 PM
What art can we use, is the issue with that one. Unless we can find better I am going to use the Washington monument (http://forums.civfanatics.com/downloads.php?do=file&id=4275).

DVS
Jan 18, 2009, 04:00 PM
Or this (http://forums.civfanatics.com/downloads.php?do=file&id=10888).

.

DVS
Jan 19, 2009, 12:09 PM
National Wonders are done. We have 18 total (including kept/modified existing ones). 4 are completely new. I'll post details later.

I've left out MagLev trains for now, because I want to do more with it. I want to make MagLev a new terrain improvement, an (expensive, time consuming) upgrade to railroads. On our starting map, this will only exist where current maglev lines do.

A civ will have to research a tech, build 3 or 4 buildings ( maglev stations (http://forums.civfanatics.com/downloads.php?do=file&id=2441) ), which will unlock a national wonder (central maglev station). After they build that, their workers will be able to build maglev lines. The AI should be able to do this, as long as we keep it exactly the way railroads work.

Foreseeable downside: Once the AI has the ability to build these lines, as far as I know, it will stop building regular railroads. So if we make it too time consuming to build, it will hurt AI civs that are trying to improve areas without roads/railroads (it will be forever before they have any improvements, since they will skip roads and railroads). Maybe we can reduce this effect by reducing the build times for these once a player enters the future era.

What do you guys think?

DVS
Jan 19, 2009, 12:44 PM
World wonder status: I've cleared out the old ones, and added a few contemporary ones. I have a list of about 18-20 existing ones that I want to include. Rather than post a list now, I'll just post a screenshot when I'm finished. That's will be a good time to look for any I've missed.

For now, you guys can look for/suggest other national wonders. I'll post a screenshot of the ones we have tonight.

MasterOfDomain
Jan 19, 2009, 03:15 PM
It looks as though it's going very well, I'll try and brainstorm some potential National Wonders (from the different technologies actually, have we worked out the rewards for them yet..?).

DVS
Jan 19, 2009, 09:30 PM
Cool, I wouldn't spend too much time thinking about wonders though, 18 national ones is about enough.

Tech rewards haven't been worked out yet, and won't be for a while (units + buildings have to be finalized first).

Joecoolyo
Jan 19, 2009, 09:36 PM
...and should we make the Hubble Space Telescope (http://forums.civfanatics.com/downloads.php?do=file&id=11301) a world wonder that starts in either the USA or EU... or a national wonder?

We can make it a world wonder that has effects every civ (kinda like the Manhattan Project) that has discovered satellites (or something similar), of course the person who built it has larger amount of bonuses then the other civs, but the other civs still get some sort of bonus (don't know what though...)

Joecoolyo
Jan 19, 2009, 09:48 PM
National Wonders are done. We have 18 total (including kept/modified existing ones). 4 are completely new. I'll post details later.

I've left out MagLev trains for now, because I want to do more with it. I want to make MagLev a new terrain improvement, an (expensive, time consuming) upgrade to railroads. On our starting map, this will only exist where current maglev lines do.

A civ will have to research a tech, build 3 or 4 buildings ( maglev stations (http://forums.civfanatics.com/downloads.php?do=file&id=2441) ), which will unlock a national wonder (central maglev station). After they build that, their workers will be able to build maglev lines. The AI should be able to do this, as long as we keep it exactly the way railroads work.

Foreseeable downside: Once the AI has the ability to build these lines, as far as I know, it will stop building regular railroads. So if we make it too time consuming to build, it will hurt AI civs that are trying to improve areas without roads/railroads (it will be forever before they have any improvements, since they will skip roads and railroads). Maybe we can reduce this effect by reducing the build times for these once a player enters the future era.

What do you guys think?


We can make it so that Maglev stations can be built in cities (it would simulate Maglev transportation system within the city only) with a small amount of bonuses. But if two cities have a maglev station, then they can connect them with the Maglev improvement, with will instead of bringing a movement bonus maybe an extra trade route plus economic bonuses? This could prevent the A.I of building the very expensive (yes, it will still be expensive b/c of the bonuses) Maglev rails instead of regular ones.

Here are some bonuses it could have:

Maglev Station
-1 unhealthiness
+25% gold
+25% Production
-when connected by Maglev rails to another city with a maglev station
+1 trade route
+another 25% gold (for a total of 50%)
+another 25% production (for a total of 50%)

DVS
Jan 19, 2009, 09:50 PM
That is too complicated, we have to keep it simple.

Joecoolyo
Jan 19, 2009, 10:00 PM
That is too complicated, we have to keep it simple.

Just posting ideas here dude :D. Than if we don't want the A.I. preoccupying itself with expensive Maglevs, then I say we just keep it as a building, and once a certain number are complete then it will unlock the Central Maglev Station National Wonder (kinda like the way oxford is unlocked with universities).

DVS
Jan 19, 2009, 10:02 PM
That's the plan

A civ will have to research a tech, build 3 or 4 buildings ( maglev stations ), which will unlock a national wonder (central maglev station). After they build that, their workers will be able to build maglev lines.

Joecoolyo
Jan 19, 2009, 10:19 PM
That's the plan

Sounds good too me :)

MasterOfDomain
Jan 20, 2009, 11:43 AM
Tech rewards haven't been worked out yet, and won't be for a while (units + buildings have to be finalized first).
I thought as much. Is this going to be a team decision or would you like it to be an extension of my work on Technologies?

DVS
Jan 20, 2009, 11:50 AM
Let's work on that together. I have some ideas in mind from when I built the tree, and I'm sure your work is giving you plenty of ideas. When the time comes we should combine our efforts. :-)

MasterOfDomain
Jan 20, 2009, 11:52 AM
A wise decision I think. Work on my part is frustratingly slow at the moment (commitment to coursework and exam preps at the moment) but it is progressing.

DVS
Jan 20, 2009, 01:24 PM
National Wonders:

http://a.imagehost.org/0849/World2009_nationalWonders.jpg

http://a.imagehost.org/0718/World2009_natWonders1.jpg

sheep21
Jan 20, 2009, 02:07 PM
HUZZAH! I like alot :D

MasterOfDomain
Jan 20, 2009, 02:18 PM
Wow, I cannot wait to play this. But what is the bottom most right icon for..?

DVS
Jan 20, 2009, 02:26 PM
I had already gotten started on world wonders when I took that screenshot. That icon is for Bethlehem (http://forums.civfanatics.com/downloads.php?do=file&id=10760). :-)

I still have to get those National wonder icons to show up in the right place on that bar. As you guys can see, they are presently in the wrong place (the place of world wonders).


Wow, I cannot wait to play this.

Neither can I, and I'm sure we're not alone!

Joecoolyo
Jan 20, 2009, 02:36 PM
Great job with the National Wonders plus the Icons for them look great! Keep up the good work guys! Sorry I haven't been able to contribute as much lately, finals are over Thursday and I should be able to contribute a lot more once there over.


P.S. I can't wait to play too! Its gonna be awesome once its finished! :D

DVS
Jan 20, 2009, 02:38 PM
Thanks buddy. :)

sheep21
Jan 20, 2009, 02:39 PM
Do you think we could use this:
http://forums.civfanatics.com/downloads.php?do=file&id=2880
for the Parliament Building? It looks of better quality than the hungarian one out there and also has a certain dignity about it.

Its a pity there is no Palace of Westminster out there :(

DVS
Jan 28, 2009, 05:20 PM
Ok, just about finished with world wonders. The way I see it, we should try to include all modern wonders that have already been created for civ and are available to us. Here is what I have so far in no particular order, let me know if you can find any others:

The Bolshoi Theatre in Moskow (http://forums.civfanatics.com/downloads.php?do=file&id=9536).
The Semperoper in Dresden (http://forums.civfanatics.com/downloads.php?do=file&id=9536).
The Bourla Theatre in Antwerpen (http://forums.civfanatics.com/downloads.php?do=file&id=9536).
The Old Opera House in Frankfurt (http://forums.civfanatics.com/downloads.php?do=file&id=9536).
BBC Broadcasting House (http://forums.civfanatics.com/downloads.php?do=file&id=10839).
White House (http://forums.civfanatics.com/downloads.php?do=file&id=966).
CN Tower (http://forums.civfanatics.com/downloads.php?do=file&id=964).
Big Ben (http://forums.civfanatics.com/downloads.php?do=file&id=2442).
Leaning Tower of Pisa (http://forums.civfanatics.com/downloads.php?do=file&id=2481).
Olympiastadion 2006 (http://forums.civfanatics.com/downloads.php?do=file&id=3342).
Arc de Triomphe (http://forums.civfanatics.com/downloads.php?do=file&id=3352).
The Gateway Arch (http://forums.civfanatics.com/downloads.php?do=file&id=3361).
Sydney Opera House (http://forums.civfanatics.com/downloads.php?do=file&id=3497).
Washington monument (http://forums.civfanatics.com/downloads.php?do=file&id=4275).
Las Vegas Strip (http://forums.civfanatics.com/downloads.php?do=file&id=4359).
Burj Al Arab (http://forums.civfanatics.com/downloads.php?do=file&id=4376).
Trafalgar Square (http://forums.civfanatics.com/downloads.php?do=file&id=7056).
Hubble Space Telescope (http://forums.civfanatics.com/downloads.php?do=file&id=11301). (not sure who should get this)
Wembley stadium (http://forums.civfanatics.com/downloads.php?do=file&id=10633).
Olympic stadium (http://forums.civfanatics.com/downloads.php?do=file&id=10586). (should go to China I think)
Fa Men Si temple (http://forums.civfanatics.com/downloads.php?do=file&id=9740).
Shrine of Imam Reza (http://forums.civfanatics.com/downloads.php?do=file&id=9556).

This is a decent enough list to start, but I know you guys can find more! Remember, a lot of mods have buildings that aren't in the downloads section. If you find any that are good in other mods, we can always ask if we can use them.

I'll keep this post updated, we'll use it to keep track of who to give credit to.

These are existing ones. In addition to these, we will have new ones that are revealed by our techs, for example, the Electric Car Factory (gives 10 Electric Car resources). Feel free to have a look at our tech tree and suggest others like this as well. Nothing too futuristic, all stuff that predictable; generally being developed in reality.

Also maybe someone wants to go over the list, and post the civ each of these belongs to.

I suspect we will tweak the bonuses of these existing wonders, using them more to help us match up economies to the real world. New wonders will function more like normal.

Joecoolyo
Jan 28, 2009, 05:29 PM
Weren't we also going to go with some that are already under construction? Here was a list I posted way earlier with ones that are currently under production (though I have no graphics for them).

Burj Dubai- Dubai, UAE
+25% Gold
+2 Trade Routes
City more likely to Generate Great Engineer

Three Gorges Dam- near Yichang, China
Provides power for all cities on this continent

City more likely to generate Great Engineer

Freedom Tower- New York, U.S.
+1 happiness in all cities
-15% maintenance in all cities
City More Likely to Generate Great Engineer

Chicago Spire- Chicago, U.S.
+50% Gold
+1 Happiness
City More Likely to Generate Great Engineer

Danyang–Kunshan Bridge- Kunshan, China
+1 rail movement
+25% Production in all cities


I think these wonders should balance the wonders a little more (because after looking at the list, there seems to be a lot of European wonders). If you want more that are under construction, or that could be built, check out this Wikipedia list (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supertall#Under_construction)

DVS
Jan 28, 2009, 05:32 PM
Great, yes, I'll add those as well. Forgot.

Could you come up with bonuses for the Petronas Towers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petronas_Twin_Towers)? I'd love to see those in there too. I can't believe no one has done art for them yet. If no one does it by the time I'm done with XML/SDK/testing etc etc etc, that will be one of my first attempted art projects. :-)

Joecoolyo
Jan 28, 2009, 05:46 PM
Great, yes, I'll add those as well. Forgot.

Could you come up with bonuses for the Petronas Towers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petronas_Twin_Towers)? I'd love to see those in there too. I can't believe no one has done art for them yet. If no one does it by the time I'm done with XML/SDK/testing etc etc etc, that will be one of my first attempted art projects. :-)

IDK about the Petronas, they took over the Sears Tower's (Chicago, my home town :) ) record in 1998, only because they had a massive 200 foot spire on top of the tower. Here is a comparative graph I found:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/1/16/Tallest_Buildings_new3.png

I wound't really call the Petronas a wonder, mostly because it only got the tallest record because of its giant spires, the Sears Tower was still had a taller roof than the twins did, and the Antennas on top the Sears Tower were still taller than the one on top of the Petronas, though I can't argue that their architecture is still beautiful. Well I digress (thats just my home-town pride getting in the way :D ), it would give Indonesia at least one wonder :).

Joecoolyo
Jan 28, 2009, 05:51 PM
Oh, oops forgot to post the specs ;)

Petronas Towers- Kuala Lumpur
+50% Culture
-25% Maintenance
+1 Happiness

DVS
Jan 28, 2009, 06:04 PM
heh, Sears tower would be a great one too! Hometown pride, that's funny. Both are cooler than anything in my town by a factor of 100. Sears would be only the third one I've seen in person, along with the CN Tower and Vegas. I did the Ferris Bueller thing up against the glass when I was 12.

Actually, now you have brought out my hometown pride. We can't have Winnipeg without a world wonder. I can think of two that would be pretty good:

Esplanade Riel (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Provencher_Bridge). (scroll down to "The pedestrian bridge")
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d4/SideSparCableStayBridge1.jpg


Canadian Museum for Human Rights (http://www.canadianmuseumforhumanrights.com/)- Will make a great World Wonder one day, but it isn't built yet. I will make art for this too if I can learn to do it decently.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/4/4b/Canadian_Museum_2.jpg

DVS
Jan 28, 2009, 06:08 PM
The museum is supposed to look like clouds, in case anyone was wondering.

Also, the reason a city like Winnipeg is getting something so big and important (first Canadian national museum outside Ottawa, worlds first human rights museum, coolest thing in WPG by far), is that a local billionaire died.

Joecoolyo
Jan 28, 2009, 06:15 PM
Looks great, we could either have Winnipeg already building the museum or a future one that other civs (if Canada dosen't get it first) can build if they research a tech, though I don't know which one...

That bridge is also really cool looking... so we could add it.

You know, I've been up the Sears Tower 3 or 4 times now and I never have actually done the Ferris Bueller thing with the window... I'll have to try it some time :D

DVS
Jan 28, 2009, 06:22 PM
No, Winnipeg. lol. But I'm serious.

So did you folks in Chicago start building the Spire just because you wanted to beat Kuala Lumpur?


You know, I've been up the Sears Tower 3 or 4 times now and I never have actually done the Ferris Bueller thing with the window... I'll have to try it some time :D

How could you not have?!

ianinsane
Jan 29, 2009, 03:27 AM
The Brandenburg Gate (http://forums.civfanatics.com/downloads.php?do=file&id=7101) (Berlin, Germany)
The Golden Gate Bridge (http://forums.civfanatics.com/downloads.php?do=file&id=10964) (San Francisco, USA)
The Sphinx (http://forums.civfanatics.com/downloads.php?do=file&id=10259) (Giza, Egypt -> Cairo

Here are three I posted that aren't yet in your list. I know the Sphinx isn't a modern wonder but it is still there and it boosts Egypt's tourism. So it has an effect. Thats why I also suggest to include all those wonders from the BTS that still are existing. Although we should modify the stats so they mainly boost gold and culture (representing tourism).

These are:
Ankor Wat (Angkor, Cambodia. -> Phnom Penh)
Apostolic Palace (Rome, Italy)
Broadway (New York, USA)
Chichen Itza (city on yucatán peninsula, mexico)
Cristo Redentor (Rio de Janeiro, Brazil)
Hollywood (Los Angeles, USA)
Shwedagon Paya (Yangon/Rangoon, Burma)
Notre Dame (Paris, France)
Stonehenge (Amesbury, UK -> Southampton)
The Dai Miao (Tai'an, China)
The Eiffel Tower (Paris, France)
The Great Wall (some northern chinese city)
The Hagia Sophia (Istanbul, Turkey)
The Kashi Wishwanath (Varanasi, India)
The Kong Miao (Qufu, China -> Jinan)
The Kremlin (Moscow, Russia)
The Mahabodhi (Bodh Gaya, India -> Patna)
The Masjid Al-Haram (Mecca, Saudi-Arabia)
The Pentagon (Washington D.C., USA)
The Pyramids (Giza, Egypt -> Cairo)
The Sistine Chapel (Rome, Italy)
The Spiral Minaret (Samarra, Iraq -> Baghdad)
The Statue of Liberty (New York, USA)
The Taj Mahal (Agra, India -> Kanpur or Lucknow)
The Three Gorges Dam (Sandouping, China -> Wuhan)
The United Nations (New York, USA)
University of Sankore (Timbuktu, Mali)
Versailles (Paris, France)

And we should add some of the National Wonders as World Wonders:
Forbidden Palace (Beijing, China)
Hermitage (St Petersburg, Russia)
Moai Statues (Rapa Nui/Easter Island, Chile)
Mt. Rushmore (Keystone, USA -> Omaha)
Oxford University (Oxford, UK)
Red Cross (Geneva, Switzerland)
Wall Street (New York, USA)
West Point (New York, USA)

EDIT: city placement for DVS' list
The Bolshoi Theatre in Moskow. (Moscow, Russia)
The Semperoper in Dresden. (Dresden, Germany -> Berlin)
The Bourla Theatre in Antwerpen. (Antwerpen, Belgium -> Amsterdam)
The Old Opera House in Frankfurt. (Frankfurt, Germany -> Munich)
BBC Broadcasting House. (London, UK)
White House. (Washington DC, USA)
CN Tower. (Toronto, Canada)
Big Ben. (London, UK)
Leaning Tower of Pisa. (Pisa, Italy -> Milan)
Olympiastadion 2006. (Berlin, Germany)
Arc de Triomphe. (Paris, France)
The Gateway Arch. (St. Louis, USA -> Chicago)
Sydney Opera House. (Sydney, Australia)
Washington monument. (Washington DC, USA)
Las Vegas Strip. (Las Vegas, USA -> Los Angeles)
Burj Al Arab. (Dubai, UAE)
Trafalgar Square. (London, UK)
Hubble Space Telescope. (not sure who should get this) (Washingon DC, USA)
Wembley stadium. (London, UK)
Olympic stadium. (should go to China I think) (Beijing, China)
Fa Men Si temple. (Famen, China -> Xi'an)
Shrine of Imam Reza. (Masshad, Iran)

Joecoolyo
Jan 29, 2009, 06:26 AM
No, Winnipeg. lol. But I'm serious.

So did you folks in Chicago start building the Spire just because you wanted to beat Kuala Lumpur?



How could you not have?!

Because we lost the title for the tallest building twice (first to the Petronas, second to the Taipei 101 in Taiwan, both of those won because their spire was taller than their actual roof), so yeah we wanted to reclaim the title of tallest to the city which invented the skyscraper. Oh, and sadly I just recently saw Ferris Bueller, and I haven't been to the tower since.

DVS
Jan 29, 2009, 11:36 AM
Here are three I posted that aren't yet in your list. I know the Sphinx isn't a modern wonder but it is still there and it boosts Egypt's tourism. So it has an effect. Thats why I also suggest to include all those wonders from the BTS that still are existing. Although we should modify the stats so they mainly boost gold and culture (representing tourism).

These are:
Ankor Wat
Apostolic Palace
Broadway
Chichen Itza
Cristo Redentor
Hollywood
Shwedagon Paya
Notre Dame
Stonehenge
The Dai Miao
The Eiffel Tower
The Great Wall
The Hagia Sophia
The Kashi Wishwanath
The Kong Miao
The Kremlin
The Mahabodhi
The Masjid Al-Haram
The Pentagon
The Pyramids
The Sistine Chapel
The Spiral Minaret
The Statue of Liberty
The Taj Mahal
The Three Gorges Dam
The United Nations
University of Sankore
Versailles

And we should add some of the National Wonders as World Wonders:
Forbidden Palace
Hermitage
Moai Statues
Mt. Rushmore
Oxford University
Red Cross
Wall Street
West Point


I was going to go through those world wonders and pick out which ones are still around... thanks, you saved me the trouble. As far as national wonders go, I think only Moai statues, and possible mount rushmore, should be world wonders. I'll explain why.

There is no sense in giving 5 new world wonders to the USA, just because the game used American names for the national wonders. Sure we could change wall street to stock exchange, and west point to military academy, but personally I don't think it's a big enough deal, we should just leave them as is.

Forbidden palace has been renamed "Provisional authority" and remains a national wonder.


If someone wants to figure out which cities each of the wonders your listed starts in, as well as the ones I posted earlier, that would be super.

MasterOfDomain
Jan 29, 2009, 12:29 PM
That list is getting very good, but do we have any potential ones that the player will be able to choose and build in the future? I know the problem of 3D art and whatever else, but naturally we do need something.
If they are needed I'm sure we can pull together and think of a few.

DVS
Jan 29, 2009, 12:32 PM
These are existing ones. In addition to these, we will have new ones that are revealed by our techs, for example, the Electric Car Factory (gives 10 Electric Car resources). Feel free to have a look at our tech tree and suggest others like this as well. Nothing too futuristic, all stuff that predictable; generally being developed in reality.


I know there are a lot of posts to read through, I can understand how you would miss this! I have some ideas, feel free to suggest more.

ianinsane
Jan 29, 2009, 02:09 PM
If someone wants to figure out which cities each of the wonders your listed starts in, as well as the ones I posted earlier, that would be super.

NP, I'll start working right now. I'll edit the city names into my earlier post.

DVS
Jan 29, 2009, 02:11 PM
Sweet dude, thanks! Don't forget to try my list to, if you have the time.

DVS
Jan 30, 2009, 03:25 PM
I found something very cool: Paved roads (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=280604).

I will look into making this a terrain in between roads and railroads. Your roads will change once you build the national highway system wonder. This should be doable, but it may not be, we may have to just let a tech do the upgrade.

This way, we can make railroads more expensive, and not necessarily ubiquitous in developed nations.


Edit: appears this is already in the BUG mod, so we likely already have it. I will look into separating it from unpaved roads, to represent the difference between developed and undeveloped countries.

MasterOfDomain
Jan 31, 2009, 03:56 AM
I thought we hadn't missed future national wonders, but admitedly this topic is rather large. I'll start considering some.

ianinsane
Jan 31, 2009, 01:28 PM
Did some thinking about wonders again. Of all those wonders that we're gonna include from the main game a lot now only have touristic relevance. They should only boost a city's commerce and culture. Nevertheless their impact on great people birth should stay the same representing the inspiration the Pyramids can be to an engineer or the Sistine Chapel can be to an artist.

The wonders that have only touristic relevance are (including stats):

World Wonders

Angkor Wat
culture 8
gp 2
+25% commerce +25% culture
City more likely to generate Great Intellectual

Apostolic Palace
culture 4
gp 2
+50% commerce +25% culture
City more likely to generate Great Intellectual

Chichen Itza
culture 6
gp 2
+25% commerce +25% culture
City more likely to generate Great Intellectual

Cristo Redentor
culture 5
gp 2
+25% commerce +25% culture
City more likely to generate Great Engineer

Shwedagon Paya
culture 8
gp 2
+25% commerce +25% culture
City more likely to generate Great Intellectual

Notre Dame
culture 10
gp 2
+25% commerce +25% culture
City more likely to generate Great Artist

Stonehenge
culture 8
gp 2
+25% commerce +25% culture
City more likely to generate Great Intellectual

The Dai Miao
culture 4
gp 1
+25% commerce +25% culture
City more likely to generate Great Intellectual

The Eiffel Tower
culture 6
gp 2
+50% commerce +25% culture
City more likely to generate Great Engineer (changed it from Merchant)

The Great Wall
culture 2
gp 2
+50% commerce +25% culture
City more likely to generate Great Spy

The Hagia Sophia
culture 8
gp 2
+25% commerce +25% culture
City more likely to generate Great Engineer

The Kashi Wishwanath
culture 4
gp 1
+50% commerce +25% culture
City more likely to generate Great Intellectual

The Kong Miao
culture 4
gp 1
+25% commerce +25% culture
City more likely to generate Great Intellectual

The Mahabodhi
culture 4
gp 1
+25% commerce +25% culture
City more likely to generate Great Intellectual

The Masjid Al-Haram
culture 4
gp 1
+50% commerce +25% culture
City more likely to generate Great Intellectual

The Pyramids
culture 6
gp 2
+50% commerce +25% culture
City more likely to generate Great Engineer

The Sistine Chapel
:culture 10
gp 2
+25% commerce +25% culture
City more likely to generate Great Artist

The Spiral Minaret
culture 8
gp 2
+25% commerce +25% culture
City more likely to generate Great Intellectual

The Statue of Liberty
culture 6
gp 2
+50% commerce +25% culture
City more likely to generate Great Entrepreneur

The Taj Mahal
culture 10
gp 2
+50% commerce +25% culture
City more likely to generate Great Artist

University of Sankore
culture 8
gp 2
+25% commerce +25% culture
City more likely to generate Great Scientist

Versailles
culture 10
gp 2
+25% commerce +25% culture
City more likely to generate Great Entrepreneur

Former National Wonders

Hermitage
culture 10
gp 2
+25% commerce +50% culture
City more likely to generate Great Artist

Moai Statues
culture 2
gp 2
+25% commerce +25% culture
City more likely to generate Great Intellectual

Mt. Rushmore
culture 4
gp 2
+25% commerce +25% culture
City more likely to generate Great Artist


Wonders that IMO should keep their stats from the original game are

Broadway
Hollywood
The Kremlin
The Pentagon
The Three Gorges Dam
The United Nations


I'm not sure right now for which ones of the other wonders we have stats alreade, since there are some that I think only have touristic relevance, too.
These are:

The Brandenburg Gate
The Golden Gate Bridgre
The Sphinx
Big Ben
Leaning Tower of Pisa
Arc de Triomphe
The Gateway Arch
Washington Monument
Trafalgar Square
Fa Men Si Temple
Shrine of Imam Reza


Of course I included all the wonders that have a religious meaning into this touristic list, since we leave classic religion out of our mod.

DVS
Jan 31, 2009, 06:03 PM
Thanks ianinsane.


I thought we hadn't missed future national wonders, but admitedly this topic is rather large. I'll start considering some.


National wonders we don't really need any more of, it is future world wonders that we still need. Tech tree is here (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?p=7641954&postcount=77) for reference.

So far all we have:

Sustainable Car Factory.
Requires "The Electric Car" tech, which has I think been renamed.
Provides 15 "Zero Emission Car" resources.

Cure for Cancer.
someone help me think of bonuses, I am terrible at that.


That's all I can think of offhand, others may have been suggested that I am forgetting.

Other general ideas, hopefully others can expand on;

-One similar to sustainable car factory for Sustainable Mass Transport (renamed from electric). This tech is supposed to represent sustainable air, sea, and truck transport. We could have multiple wonders for this (or any).

-We should probably find some construction projects that have been conceived of, or think of our own, for advanced construction. Looking at the tree, this comes pretty late in the game. Maybe we should move it back, or split it into two.

I will try to think about more later, I'm sure I'm forgetting some. I can't wait to hear your ideas guys, I'd say we could use up to 10 or 15 more, if we can think of them. Remember, just nothing too futuristic.

Joecoolyo
Jan 31, 2009, 10:30 PM
Cure for Cancer
- +3 Health in all cities
- +1 Happiness in all Cities
- +1 Population in all Cities

Future Wonders

The Illinois (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Illinois) (or Mile High Tower)
- +50% Gold in the city
- +1 Diplo points from all leaders

MasterOfDomain
Feb 01, 2009, 02:32 PM
I agree Joe, however I think +1 Diplomacy from all leaders would reflect the worldwide elation.

With regards to future World Wonders:

Transoceanic Maglev Train
+ 1 Free Specialist in all cities on the continent
+ 100% gold in this city

(This is a perfectly feasible technology, but it will require a lot of investment. I'm wondering whether we can then have 'Maglev Stations' and that countries with diplomatic agreements can use these to send units across the oceans.)

DVS
Feb 01, 2009, 02:38 PM
Maglev has been discussed in this thread, I'm trying to do something more with it than a wonder. But thanks! Keep the ideas coming.

We will probably not do transoceanic. We are trying to include only things the AI understands how to use. I guess we could just make these a second airport, but what's the point? Think simple.

Joecoolyo
Feb 01, 2009, 10:11 PM
I agree Joe, however I think +1 Diplomacy from all leaders would reflect the worldwide elation.



:confused: What do you mean? The one diplo point is because I believe that if any country in the world was able to create a Mile High Tower, most leaders would feel congratulatory and proud for the leader of that country.

sheep21
Feb 02, 2009, 07:59 AM
perhaps +1 commerce would be better?

After all, do you think the president of iran gives a rats arse about who has the biggest tower, likewise why would Gordon Brown, of Silvio Belescunni (sp) be more ameeable in negotions?

Obama: So you see, this is a very good deal for all of us.
Brown: I dont know, I think your gonna hve to do better.
Whitehouse Aid: Mr President, Chicago has just completed the mile high tower!
Obama: Excellent, now will you except Mr Brown?
Brown: Oh how could I ever have doubted your sincerity in this deal, the american people awe us and make us all porud to be citizens of earth through this wonderour achievement. USA! USA! USA!

Maybe abit ott but can you see why commerce or an extra trade route would be better?

ianinsane
Feb 02, 2009, 01:54 PM
How about this:

One Laptop per Child (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One_Laptop_per_Child)
Project
+ 2 free scientists
+10% :science: at each university
requires Tech Quantum Computing

DVS
Feb 02, 2009, 02:17 PM
Awesome idea. :-)

Joecoolyo
Feb 02, 2009, 03:21 PM
perhaps +1 commerce would be better?

After all, do you think the president of iran gives a rats arse about who has the biggest tower, likewise why would Gordon Brown, of Silvio Belescunni (sp) be more ameeable in negotions?

Obama: So you see, this is a very good deal for all of us.
Brown: I dont know, I think your gonna hve to do better.
Whitehouse Aid: Mr President, Chicago has just completed the mile high tower!
Obama: Excellent, now will you except Mr Brown?
Brown: Oh how could I ever have doubted your sincerity in this deal, the american people awe us and make us all porud to be citizens of earth through this wonderour achievement. USA! USA! USA!

Maybe abit ott but can you see why commerce or an extra trade route would be better?

That is true... I was just thinking about the magnitude of the project. Plus, I want to make some of these future projects a little different from the already placed/currently building projects. All of them either give trade routes or gold bonuses er sumthin similar. Maybe instead of an extra trade route or diplo bonus, maybe war weariness. Because the enemy would get kinda weary fighting a country in which the citezens in the army are proud and willing to give their lives for their country after knowing what their country is able to acomplish (A Mile High Tower is a huge accomplishment, to put that into perspective, thats basically saying if built in Chicago, from the top of it, if you went straight west you would the height of the streets in Denver). Maybe +50% War Weariness would be more realistic.

Oh yeah, the One Laptop per Child is a great idea!

MasterOfDomain
Feb 02, 2009, 04:31 PM
:confused: What do you mean? The one diplo point is because I believe that if any country in the world was able to create a Mile High Tower, most leaders would feel congratulatory and proud for the leader of that country.

I meant for the Curing of all Cancers. I'm sure it'd be appreciated more than a really big building to be honest (so I think it should have the +1 Diplo Point instead). :)

Joecoolyo
Feb 02, 2009, 06:14 PM
I meant for the Curing of all Cancers. I'm sure it'd be appreciated more than a really big building to be honest (so I think it should have the +1 Diplo Point instead). :)

Hmmm... yah, we could switch it around. So it would look like this:

Cure for Cancer
- +3 Health in all cities
- +1 Happiness in all Cities
- +1 Population in all Cities
- +1 diplo point for all leaders

The Illinois (or Mile High Tower)
- +50% Gold in the city
- +50% War Weariness (in civs its fighting against of course ;) )

DVS
Feb 05, 2009, 03:42 PM
Existing world wonders are added, I'm just working on our future ones now.

Sorry guys, but I don't think we can have buildings increase diplomatic relationships. I can't find any tags that do this.

So unless someone can find a building that does this in another mod, we are going to have to change those bonuses. :-(

NikNaks
Feb 06, 2009, 01:41 AM
There are more tags in the WoC than would seem, my friend ;) Poke around the schema file and see if you can find something relevant.

DVS
Feb 06, 2009, 11:41 AM
Thanks buddy, I'll do that.

ianinsane
Feb 10, 2009, 05:19 AM
What about a modern version of the Chinese Wall? It might be a National Wonder rather than a World Wonder. Israel should be building one (The Israeli West Bank barrier (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_West_Bank_barrier)) and USA, too (the fence at the Mexican border).

Border Barrier (?)
prevents terrorists and immigrants (if we'll eventually have them) from entering borders
+1 :mad: in each city
-1 relations with neighbouring civs

veBear
Feb 22, 2009, 02:22 PM
Personally i would recommend to rename some of the national wonders to make them less civ specific (of course you dont nees to do this:)). Here are all of them:
Mount Rushmore -> Historical Monument
Wall Street -> Stock exchange (If the english has the same UB, rename it to Bank of England)
Oxford University -> National Science University (or something like that)

That's all.

PS
Also i would recommend this (beneath) as a world wonder of some kind :)
Svalbard Global Seed Vault (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Svalbard_Global_Seed_Vault)
I also have a Quote for this (if you want to have quote with it):
"This place is abondoned by God and ought to have been abondoned by mankind as well" - Unknown person about Svalbard:viking:

Joecoolyo
Feb 22, 2009, 03:12 PM
Personally i would recommend to rename some of the national wonders to make them less civ specific (of course you dont nees to do this:)). Here are all of them:
Mount Rushmore -> Historical Monument
Wall Street -> Stock exchange (If the english has the same UB, rename it to Bank of England)
Oxford University -> National Science University (or something like that)

That's all.

PS
Also i would recommend this (beneath) as a world wonder of some kind :)
Svalbard Global Seed Vault (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Svalbard_Global_Seed_Vault)
I also have a Quote for this (if you want to have quote with it):
"This place is abondoned by God and ought to have been abondoned by mankind as well" - Unknown person about Svalbard:viking:


Nice! This could be one of the future Wonders that we were looking for (I know that it is already completed but we really need some future wonders :D ).

ianinsane
Feb 24, 2009, 02:15 PM
Great idea!

How about this:

Global Seed Vault
Culture: 4
GP Points: 2
requires Organic Farming
+1 :health: in all cities
+2 :food: in all cities
City more likely to generate Great Scientist
Can only be built in cities with tundra or ice in city radius.

veBear
Feb 25, 2009, 08:03 AM
Great :D

veBear

Eirik Blodřks
Feb 27, 2009, 08:23 AM
Adding the Global Seed Vault as an existing wonder in Longyearbyen would, however, better reflect this town's important function as a centre of research, especially ecologic, climatic and paleontologic reasearch.

Some future world wonder suggestions:

The Rotating Tower (http://www.madarchitect.org/super-structures/construction-for-the-rotating-tower-in-dubai-to-begin-this-month/)
+2 :health:
-50 % :yuck: caused by population
+2 :) with Grass-roots civic
+6 :culture:, +2 :gp: (great scientist)

Habitat 2020 (http://www.yatzer.com/postDetails.php?post=1095)
-25 % :yuck: caused by population in all cities
+2 :) with Grass-roots civic
+4 :culture:, +2 :gp: (great scientist)

California Academy of Sciences museum (http://www.ecofriend.org/entry/san-francisco-s-living-breathing-green-museum/)
+2 :food: in all cities
+1 :health: in all cities
+2 :) with Grass-roots civic
+6 :culture:, +2 :gp: (great scientist)

Green City (http://www.multihousingnews.com/multihousing/content_display/features/e3i4552e786232dd91b74485906f817af33) (not a good name for this wonder, any suggestions?)
+2 :) with Grass-roots civic
No :yuck: in this city
+2 :gp: (great scientist)

Teatro del Agua (http://www.igreenspot.com/teatro-del-agua-by-grimshaw-architects/)
+4 :food: in all cities
+1 :)
+2 :) with Grass-roots civic
+8 :culture:, +2 :gp: (great artist)

Fraser's Broadway (]http://www.madarchitect.org/green-buildings/the-most-sustainable-development-in-australia-frasers-broadway/#more-151)
+40 % :commerce:
+3 :health:
+4 :culture:, +2 :gp: (great merchant)

Russia Tower (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russia_Tower)
+50 % :commerce:
+2 trade routes
+4 :culture:, +2 :gp: (great merchant)

Most such future building projects seems to have a focus at ecology/commerce. Perhaps we in some way should add even more sickness to this mod, as several future techs and wonders have a focus at increased health and otherwise would be become pretty much useless? Also, if anyone have any suggestions to other bonuses for these wonders, I would be most thankful, as it's pretty hard to come up with ideas not focusing too much on environment/healthiness. And which wonders should require which technologies?

Joecoolyo
Feb 27, 2009, 03:51 PM
Adding the Global Seed Vault as an existing wonder in Longyearbyen would, however, better reflect this town's important function as a centre of research, especially ecologic, climatic and paleontologic reasearch.

Some future world wonder suggestions:

The Rotating Tower (http://www.madarchitect.org/super-structures/construction-for-the-rotating-tower-in-dubai-to-begin-this-month/)
+2 :health:
-50 % :yuck: caused by population
+2 :) with Grass-roots civic
+6 :culture:, +2 :gp: (great scientist)

Habitat 2020 (http://www.yatzer.com/postDetails.php?post=1095)
-25 % :yuck: caused by population in all cities
+2 :) with Grass-roots civic
+4 :culture:, +2 :gp: (great scientist)

California Academy of Sciences museum (http://www.ecofriend.org/entry/san-francisco-s-living-breathing-green-museum/)
+2 :food: in all cities
+1 :health: in all cities
+2 :) with Grass-roots civic
+6 :culture:, +2 :gp: (great scientist)

Green City (http://www.multihousingnews.com/multihousing/content_display/features/e3i4552e786232dd91b74485906f817af33) (not a good name for this wonder, any suggestions?)
+2 :) with Grass-roots civic
No :yuck: in this city
+2 :gp: (great scientist)

Teatro del Agua (http://www.igreenspot.com/teatro-del-agua-by-grimshaw-architects/)
+4 :food: in all cities
+1 :)
+2 :) with Grass-roots civic
+8 :culture:, +2 :gp: (great artist)

Fraser's Broadway (]http://www.madarchitect.org/green-buildings/the-most-sustainable-development-in-australia-frasers-broadway/#more-151)
+40 % :commerce:
+3 :health:
+4 :culture:, +2 :gp: (great merchant)

Russia Tower (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russia_Tower)
+50 % :commerce:
+2 trade routes
+4 :culture:, +2 :gp: (great merchant)

Most such future building projects seems to have a focus at ecology/commerce. Perhaps we in some way should add even more sickness to this mod, as several future techs and wonders have a focus at increased health and otherwise would be become pretty much useless? Also, if anyone have any suggestions to other bonuses for these wonders, I would be most thankful, as it's pretty hard to come up with ideas not focusing too much on environment/healthiness. And which wonders should require which technologies?


Great stuff dude! Glad to have you on the team, we would never have thought/found these ideas with all the stuff we're doing right now. Just one comment though, the Russia Tower, I wouldn't make that a future wonder, I would make it a wonder currently under construction in Moscow, we're doing the same for the Burj Dubai, the Chicago Spire, and so on. Though, to make sure it isn't too similar to the others... how about

Russia Tower (under construction in Moscow)
+50% gold
+50% more Health (to go along with its very green design)
City more likely to produce Great Engineer (I think the tower is more suited for an engineer, mostly because its takes a lot of engineering skills to make such a large and green building)

theeazy23
Jun 06, 2009, 04:56 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cincinnati_Museum_Center_at_Union_Terminal
Cincinnati's Union Terminal is an amazing building that could be put in the game:goodjob: