Saw this on AH.com (not mine)


About this:
http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff137/mowque/600px-Civil_and_Naval_Ensign_of_Fra.png

Could you give me a link to the thread? Looks interesting.

@Winner- http://alternatehistory.com/discussion/showpost.php?p=2347767&postcount=3871

This blotch-

http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff137/mowque/600px-Civil_and_Naval_Ensign_of_-2.png

What city is it?

Minneapolis/St. Paul.

Chicago?

Looks like a lot more than one city (great lakes in the North East.

Chicago?

Looks like a lot more than one city (great lakes in the North East.

The one I circled in red. :)

Totally missed the circle....

The Gooblah must be right, what other city would be in that area of Minnesota or Wisconsin (not exactly sure where the border is).

That's easy. It's Minneapolis/St. Paul.

What's the point?

That's easy. It's Minneapolis/St. Paul.

What's the point?

I was just wondering...

Europe as seen from Catalonia

Note: Catalonia has been erased so you can see the rest of Europe

http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/4780/europe.jpg

How did the Greeks betray Catalonia?

Damn! the wiki article on the Catalan Revenge is only available in Catalan, Spanish and serbo-croatian. Anyway, google Catalan Revenge.

Edit: Read this wiki article

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catalan_Company

Haha Tunisia is Star Wars to Americans as well...if they can find it.

Damn! the wiki article on the Catalan Revenge is only available in Catalan, Spanish and serbo-croatian. Anyway, google Catalan Revenge.

Edit: Read this wiki article

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catalan_Company
I'm mildly surprised - though I oughtn't be - that you know about that. Still, wiki article is extremely one-sided and doesn't mention the attempts by de Flor to circumvent the terms of his contract with Andronikos. Yeah, we betrayed you, but you started it. :p

Oh yeah! And the best thing to do by the emperor of Byzantium was kill the chief of the army that was protecting his territories just because he was trying to circumvent the terms of the contract (that's to say, the same that the other foreign mercenaries were doing), what caused their (logical) rage and the following devastation of Thrace and Macedonia. Hell yeah! That's a really smart thing to do!

We were only trying to get some profits from that military adventure, so YOU and only YOU are the traitors here.

PS: You also demolished our tower at the Acropolis! Damn greeks!

http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/4127/frankishtower1875sq1.jpg

REBUILD THE FRANKISH TOWER RIGHT NOW!!

Oh yeah! And the best thing to do by the emperor of Byzantium was kill the chief of the army that was protecting his territories just because he was trying to circumvent the terms of the contract (that's to say, the same that the other foreign mercenaries were doing), what caused their (logical) rage and the following devastation of Thrace and Macedonia. Hell yeah! That's a really smart thing to do!
I didn't say Andronikos was smart. I actually think he was a bloody moron. However, de Flor was pretty clearly doing some nasty stuff. Pillaging the cities of your employer and ally isn't usually considered to be a Good Thing, and Roger's Company did just that - in 1304 they attacked Magnesia by land and Chios and Lesbos by sea. All of these were Byzantine properties. De Flor then extorted even more monies from the Emperor in an extracontractual fashion during the fall and winter of 1305. The state fiscal burden was tremendous and Andronikos was basically broke, so he had de Flor assassinated to try to save him the trouble of paying the Catalans. Yeah, he was a fool and it backfired.

So: the Company still betrayed us first. :D

I didn't say Andronikos was smart. I actually think he was a bloody moron. However, de Flor was pretty clearly doing some nasty stuff. Pillaging the cities of your employer and ally isn't usually considered to be a Good Thing, and Roger's Company did just that - in 1304 they attacked Magnesia by land and Chios and Lesbos by sea. All of these were Byzantine properties. De Flor then extorted even more monies from the Emperor in an extracontractual fashion during the fall and winter of 1305. The state fiscal burden was tremendous and Andronikos was basically broke, so he had de Flor assassinated to try to save him the trouble of paying the Catalans. Yeah, he was a fool and it backfired.

So: the Company still betrayed us first. :D

He was definitelly a moron. But looks like you ignore one thing about the Almogàvers: they usually pillaged the cities of the Crown of Aragon two. In fact, there're still the ruins of medieval towns in Roussilon that disappeared because of the almogàvers. They pillaged with the permission of the king, of course. This was some sort of tradition of the almogàvers: pillage the cities in order to get profits, no matter in what side were these cities. Everyone back then knew this thing about the almogàvers, so Andronikos knew quite well what kind of risk was he taking when he decided to hire the almogàvers. So, after this, the ones that can only be called traitors here are the greeks. Period.

PS: Weren't you German-American or something like that?

He was definitelly a moron. But looks like you ignore one thing about the Almogàvers: they usually pillaged the cities of the Crown of Aragon two. In fact, there're still the ruins of medieval towns in Roussilon that disappeared because of the almogàvers. They pillaged with the permission of the king, of course. This was some sort of tradition of the almogàvers: pillage the cities in order to get profits, no matter in what side were these cities. Everyone back then knew this thing about the almogàvers, so Andronikos knew quite well what kind of risk was he taking when he decided to hire the almogàvers. So, after this, the ones that can only be called traitors here are the greeks. Period.
:lol: "We pillage our own territory, so you should've expected that we would pillage yours!" Uh, no, that's not how it works. There's no evidence that there was any sort of acknowledgment by the Emperor that the Catalans would have the authority to pillage Byzantine cities, and given the circumstances under which de Flor scarpered out of Sicily to the Empire I doubt he had the leverage to ensure that such terms were acceptable. The terms of the agreement did give the Catalans a territory for themselves in Anatolia, but Magnesia and the islands were not within these bounds.

I'm starting to think that this deserves a separate thread, or at least to go into a different, preexisting thread.
PS: Weren't you German-American or something like that?
Yeah I was born there but I'm a Euromutt and some of that's Greek. Besides, I identify with Germany and Greece more than anything else.

Ok! Let's go to the Catalan-Greek rivalry thread! You damn traitor!

Inspired by gangleri's Europe in Catalonia's eyes, I present to ye...



http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h50/Taniciusfox/NAinAmericasEyes-1.png

North America in America's eyes! >:3

Originally, the words attached to Jamaica were going to mock Rastafarianism, but not only did that seem too offensive, but the general idea here is stereotypes/ignorance displayed by Americans.

I love the Georgia one the best...

I loled at Georgia, but you forgot to mention the arctic and hollywood movies.

Anybody have the link to the blank map of Europe?
Google doesn't seem to give a decent one and I am not not looking through 2 dozen pages here.

And the French invasion force isn't coming from France. But how many Americans realize France is included in that map?

EDIT: sorry for the double post, I thought I was on a different forum for a second.

Anybody have the link to the blank map of Europe?
Google doesn't seem to give a decent one and I am not not looking through 2 dozen pages here.

Search all my posts in this thread, i made a list of Blank maps a couple times. I've posted 6 or 7 blank Europe maps i think.

I did make some more blank maps over the March Break, i'll post them soon as well, (perhaps today, ounce i'm done a little work) so write your ideas down somewhere if you want to wait for me to repost the blank maps.

@say1988

Precisely!

As well, I've edited the map a bit more to try and add some humor. Hint. West Coast.

You can make Washington = Chinese (state not city)

You can make Washington = Chinese (state not city)

I dunno many Americans complaining about Washington... the joke about the West Coast was how a lot of people say they are de facto part of Mexico, hence the condominium/jointly-administered territory.. :lol:

Besides, I need to work on the other regions of the world. ;)

After going through hell with Paint (COLOURS DON"T EVEN WORK!!!!!!!!!!!)

Following the trend, I have compiled America's view of the world.
http://i590.photobucket.com/albums/ss349/dywed/worldfromUS-1.gif?t=1238720186
I got to pissed off I quit before I could add Israel.



I am never using paint again. I figured oh I am just filling a few boxes and adding a little text, how hard can it be....

Listen, Paint isn't the problem, it is the map. Do not feel bad, i'll post my blank maps in a second and you can try again with paint. You won't have problems.

I am never using paint again. I figured oh I am just filling a few boxes and adding a little text, how hard can it be....

Photobucket is made of win dude. ;) That's what I used to make mine.

On the map itself, I have to agree. Chinese people are good commies thanks to their cheap prices and generosity with loans. Now if they'd only stop putting damned poisons in them... :lol:

http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/5649/asiablankeasternasia.png
http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/1523/asiablankmaritimeasia.png
http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/1769/asiablanksoutheastasia.png
http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/9250/asiablankwesternasia.png
http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/1631/asiablank.png
http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/2972/blankworld.png
http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/9723/europeblank1.png
http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/7137/europeblank2.png
http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/9665/europeblank3.png
http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/552/europeblank4.png
http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/3045/europeblank5.png
http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/1537/europeblank6.png
http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/3888/europeblank7.png
http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/5346/europeblankcentraleurop.png
http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/4757/europeblankeasterneurop.png
http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/9228/europeblanknortherneuro.png
http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/1310/europeblanksoutheast.png
http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/1373/europeblankwesterneurop.png
http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/5935/mediteraneanblank.png
http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/4416/latinamericablanknorths.png
http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/1918/latinamericablanksoutha.png
http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/341/latinamericablanksouths.png
http://img528.imageshack.us/img528/9863/latinamericablank.png

There we go.

Did I ever tell you you're my hero? You're everything I wish I could be- Everyone in Civ IV.

Thanks a lot, TL1

You want to be a vodka(real vodka, not the horrible cheap russian kind) drinking pole who supports a horrible football team that is always on the verge of argueing that Poland is Central Europe, while begging to Poland to be included in Civ V?

http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h50/Taniciusfox/EuropeinAmericasEyes.png

And here's Europe...

Everyone, please remember to take this in good humor. This is about stereotypes/ignorance, not reality. So Poles and French, please don't get offended at the Polish/French jokes... Irish don't get offended at the drunk jokes... and Europeans in general, don't get offended at the "YOU'RE ALL A BUNCHA LIBERALS" joke. :lol:

nice to see my maps already being used. :D

Actually i'm not offended by France Jr. We are like a mini france, i always compare Poland to France, when i want to say something about how Poland should be/do.

East Asia according to America:

(Attached)

I think Bangledash is more famous for being flooded then Burma.

Also expect more blank maps coming up. I still have to do Africa and more World maps. I also want a goodone for the Carribean.

If your wondering, i get my maps of Wikimedia Commons, prtscn it (since copying doesn't work as say1998 experienced) then edit it a bit on paint. Paint is a great easy program imo.

Not in America :p (remember the nargis thing in 2007)

nice to see my maps already being used. :D

Actually i'm not offended by France Jr. We are like a mini france, i always compare Poland to France, when i want to say something about how Poland should be/do.

Well actually, I'm using the map from Wikipedia... reduced so only Europe is shown, though. Though you probably got some of yours from there too. ;)

Ah, good, good. :D I was actually referring to how Poland's often the butt of many jokes, being depicted as a weakling. And since France there is the butt of many of the same jokes, only made sense to connect them somehow. They do share a comparison in that their history is far more glorious if you go into their earlier history. Commonwealth period, and Napoleonic Empire, anybody?

But yes, I was afraid you'd be offended... :lol: I thought "if the Western Europe vs. Eastern Europe thing is so big... I wonder how he'll react to this..." Good thing I was wrong!

Listen, Paint isn't the problem, it is the map.
How does the map screw up my colours?
I did try multiple maps too.

How does the map screw up my colours?
I did try multiple maps too.

hmm? I tried your map and i got this:

http://i40.tinypic.com/vn04g3.png

I'm positive it is the map. I painted it white to highlight the little dots of which you are having problems with.

it is one of the problems maps have, i try to eliminate as much of it as possible while editing around with the maps i ripped of from wikipedia, try the world map in my post, i don't think it has it at all.

http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/ff136/kamikazeshadow/EastAsiaAmerica.jpg

I trump.

You need llamas and a Starcraft reference. Then you trump.

Also btw, try this guide here if you want to become an expert at paint:

http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/tutorial/mspaint

If your wondering, i get my maps of Wikimedia Commons, prtscn it (since copying doesn't work as say1998 experienced) then edit it a bit on paint. Paint is a great easy program imo.
I used right click, save as. And paint is great for just cropping/resizing/stuff like that, I tried using photoshop to do that basic stuff once, and it all went to hell.

I don't understand the problem. Whenever I tried to colour anything (except the blue) it went grey, then I uploaded to photobucket and I think I screwed up the sizing. Anyways, I think I got the point of the map across. I will try your maps next itme.

South America according to America:

(attached)

South America according to America:

(attached)

I don't understand why americans think Venezuela is Communist... It's just Chavez.

I used right click, save as. And paint is great for just cropping/resizing/stuff like that, I tried using photoshop to do that basic stuff once, and it all went to hell.

I don't understand the problem. Whenever I tried to colour anything (except the blue) it went grey, then I uploaded to photobucket and I think I screwed up the sizing. Anyways, I think I got the point of the map across. I will try your maps next itme.

The map isn't always good though. They sometimes have the dots like the map you posted here had. You can't really resize in paint without knowing how to. (check the guide i posted in my last post.)

I still don't understand the problem. Are you talking about the little dots like in the map you posted? if you are not, then link me the map, i want to see myself.

No, when I tried to fill colours, except for the blue, they did not come up the correct colour. Russia and China, according to the RGB thing should be pure red. But no matter what colour I use it comes out white black or grey.

That is why I don't think it is te map, it is either my computer or paint.

http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h50/Taniciusfox/AfricainAmericasEyes.png

Oh yo yo oh Afreeekaaa...

Africa + the Middle East. This one was rather simple.

That is strange, i do not have the issue.

Are you still having the problems?

Try going to Image -> Attributes -> Colors and make sure it is at Colors.

Kinda adding on to Huayna Capac357 :D

those blank maps were a bit off, poland was massive

the world according to britain

those blank maps were a bit off, poland was massive

the world according to britain

oh.. must've been playing with something, i'm fixing some maps, i'll find the original copy of that map to.

Anyway, that world map is a perfect example of what i do in my spare time. Belarus - Watch out!

the world according to britain
Not quite the world according to Britain but the world according to the Torys.
This has already been posted but deserves a second run:
http://strangemaps.files.wordpress.com/2008/05/toryatlasoftheworld2.jpg

Try going to Image -> Attributes -> Colors and make sure it is at Colors.
Did that, it is almost as if the shading was jacked up, but it isn't.

http://i44.tinypic.com/qn1pxd.png

European football as seen from a Pole

@Say1988, i really do not know what is wrong. Go to Colors and pick edit colors and see if something is messed up in there.

Nice:
How about a map of the world showing entertaining soccer teams,
http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/2972/blankworld.png

That was an easy one :)

I assume my paint install is buggered somehow. Meh, used it max a half dozen times in the past year. If necessary I can break out my other computer.

@ say1988

EPIC! :lol:

There's a blotch of pink in Africa though. ;) Guess they have an exotic playing style...

lol, they play to the death :p

Darn people giving me a not blank map :)

Countries that hate bacon

http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/8376/hatebacon.jpg

Damn! Now you're all doing the same I did!!!

Damn! Now you're all doing the same I did!!!

Yours wasn't very original either, there are zillions of these maps all over the internet and only a fraction of them are actually funny.

Yours wasn't very original either, there are zillions of these maps all over the internet and only a fraction of them are actually funny.

No, there're no lots of maps that show the catalan POV.

No, there're no lots of maps that show the catalan POV.

You meant Spanish point of view?

What I meant was that various maps showing national stereotypes are quite common.

I edited two maps to make them bigger in size:

http://i43.tinypic.com/9ixvtd.png
http://i42.tinypic.com/2mxl4ja.png

more to come throughout the day.

http://img119.imageshack.us/img119/6343/mediteraneanblanknobordj.png
http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/223/mediteraneanblanknobord.png
http://img5.imageshack.us/img5/496/africablank1.png
http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/5716/africablank2.png
http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/963/australiablank1.png
http://img518.imageshack.us/img518/3388/australiablank2.png
http://img48.imageshack.us/img48/2255/caribeanblank2.png
http://img294.imageshack.us/img294/4182/caribeanblank.png

Some more.

Damn! Now you're all doing the same I did!!!

It could be worse dude, you didn't open up the can of anti-American humor. :( Those other two posters beat me to doing East Asia, South America and the whole world dangit! ...Well I'm still going to do them. :mischief:

I bring you, Neuropa 1991.

http://img237.imageshack.us/img237/1651/neuropakakkonencg3.png

I think I already posted this one. A very interesting map indeed.

I bring you, Neuropa 1991.

http://img237.imageshack.us/img237/1651/neuropakakkonencg3.png

I think I remember that AAR.

We need a Pacific counterpart to Neueuropa.

http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m51/Grenadier_539/PacificNewOrderLabelled.png

The Empire of China is a special case. Provincial leaders are semi-autonomous satraps although all owe allegiance to the Imperial Government in Kaifeng, which in turn is heavily influenced by Japan.

http://img206.imageshack.us/img206/5213/dyosworldmap.png

In context of the current story, the world is divided by three military powers: the Eastern Union (red, protectorates in pink); the Free Western Army (dark blue, protectorates light blue); and the Republic of Coruscant (purple). The enigmatic Mr. Toyoda operates from headquarters in Hokkaidō (orange). While he hasn't declared sovereignty, his "security" force lies outside government control, making him a wildcard.
Grey countries are not necessarily neutral, but have not yet affected the story.

Here's a close-up of Europe, combining my love of cartography with my love of flags:

http://img206.imageshack.us/img206/5115/dyoseurmap.png

Blue-pink areas denote condominiums between the Union and FWA, a result of the so-called Second Napoleonic War that led to the bilateral division of aforementioned protectorates. The only source of tension comes from insurgents under "FDR", and Captain2's resistence against Union occupation of Canada (which was resultant of war).
Note that the Russian flag on the world map is not to suggest Russia is the mother of the Union (which it isn't), although it houses the central administration. I have yet to come up with a satisfactory flag that encompasses the entire Union.

Hey CivGeneral unless I'm your Republic's generalissimus I'm going to have to launch a totally OOC rebellion against you using my apathy about drawing contributions to DYOS.

I was playing around with a map of europe, and got the inspiration from listening to the polish national anthem a couple times today..

Basically, if everything good happened to us in the last 2.5 century's.
http://i44.tinypic.com/2dh8r2e.jpg

The story is that, in the Partitions, our govornment wasn't ****ed up, nobles didn't have more power then the monarch, and nobles didn't side with the invaders, but rather with the king. Only Russia did any real damage to us. Russia took alot of our Eastern lands, while the Prussian invasion was quickly dealt with and Prussia was countered with the prussians in charge fleeing to Brandenburg. At Brandenburg, the officials planned a counter attack, which at first was successful, but the signing of peace by Catherine of Russia(due to gaining what she wanted, Kiev and Minsk) allowed the relocation of troops to the Western Border, pushing back Brandenburg's invasion force.

Austria's attack was Mild, and there was a long stalemate across the Polish-Austrian border. Austria was involved in all 3 partitions which ended up as 3 long stalemates when finally peace was made. Austria took Slovakia and that was all.

10 years after then end of the failed 'partitions', Poland sided with Napoleon. Tadeusz Kościuszko in october, sent an army into Slovakia, initiating the Austro-Polski war. At first it looked like Kościuszko's army would be fail at doing anything, but Mateusz Milanowski's(made that name up) reinforcement army pushed through Slovakia and invaded Austria. Austria fighting both against Napoleon and Poland, surrendered in late October as there was a fear of Kościuszko's army as it had a straight path to Vienna.

In November, Napoleon taking advantage of the Polish road system, invaded Russia with the help of Kościuszko, Russia surrendered almost instantly as it was not prepared. The following year, was the fourth Coalition. Of course there was no Prussia, so the Fourth Coalition was focused on Russia, the fourth coalition played out much like it had in real life.

Germans in Prussia and Latvia migrated to America, Australia and other German states, as it was hard for Germans to make a living in 19 century Poland. The few remaining Germans had their names Polanized and were fused into Polish society. Slovakian's are not that distant from Poles. If Slovakia was actually controlled by Poland in real life, noone, not even Slovakians would know what Slovakia is. They'd all be poles. In Latvia, Lithuanians took over. Poland for much of the remaining century had remained neutral and experienced an age of economic growth and national prosperity. The Franco-Prussian war didn't involve Prussia, but united Germany instead.

On the outbreak of World war 1, Poland was one of the allies, involved heavily in the war against Austro-Hungary, and with a German front which was over time slowly losing until nearly the end of the war.

Afterwords, Pilsudski turned Poland into a military power in Europe. The Russo-Polish war didn't happen obviously.

On WWII, Germany instead of invading Poland, as Poland was alot more stronger, started with the invasion of the low countries, then headed in towards France. Poland and England both declared on Germany. England sat on it's bum like it did in real life, while both Poland and France went under German control. The events followed the same throughout the rest of the war. At the war's end, Russia had control over Poland. Russia tried to decrease Poland's land size, but failed and caused the Polish uprising of 1949, which ended in a stalemate. A treaty was signed with Russia gaining some land in Belarus and Ukraine, and Lithuania (the nation compromising Lithuania and Latvia in the map) were all ceded to Russia. Russia knew it couldn't control Poland.

The second half of the 20th century followed like it did in Real life, except Poland had Lwow, Slovakia and other new lands. Poland instead of being a vassal like country as it was, was just allied to Russia, like Yugoslavia was in a way.

The Berlin wall would fall in '89 and Poland is now known for it's strong national identity, and it's amazing football team. (which without Lwow, couldn't have been accomplished) And Skrtl would be playing for us.

The only sideffect is that we no longer have our amazing national anthem as it wouldn't have been sang by the Poles from Italy invading along with Napoleon.

^---Don't like Butterflies, eh?

By that expansion, Poland can now definitively be classified as Eastern European. ;)

Although obviously all those events turning out good for Poland is pretty much an impossibility.

I haven't worked out the full butterfly effects of Napoleon's wars yet, or the ones of the world wars and well everything yet...

Carmen i'm well aware of that, but then again this is a fantasy 'altered' map thread.

I haven't worked out the full butterfly effects of Napoleon's wars yet, or the ones of the world wars and well everything yet...



Going to make it a real timeline? :D

I probably could, if i went through every year's wikipedia page and figure out the butterfly effect on all of those little things that have any relation to do with Poland or Poland's actions.

Also Mowque, are you polish descendent by any chance? I vaguely remember you being so and i was wondering for some time.

Also Mowque, are you polish descendent by any chance? I vaguely remember you being so and i was wondering for some time.

Yeah, my father was born in Poland. And my mother's side mostly is, although it is more distant.

I can see the decision was partial TheLastone. You Europeans are so divisive in unity.

Have I ever mentioned how obnoxious the Polish nationalism is? :)

Have I ever mentioned how obnoxious the Polish nationalism is? :)

Well, Polish nationalism is annoying--but Russians? You seems to be more angry about their nationalism.

Well, Polish nationalism is annoying--but Russians? You seems to be more angry about their nationalism.

I despise pretty much all forms of nationalism, it doesn't matter if it is Polish, Russian, American or French brand.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-l6bd5QdIUM&feature=channel_page

Interesting video map, if the the last centuries political history was made of sound..

And in the interest in making Thelastone smile like Poland just occupied Berlin. Tada!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAVVWlUywO0&feature=channel_page

Aronnax that was depressing... :(

As of me being nationalistic, i've just watched the Polish national anthem a gazillion times due to the other thread, which is where i got the inspiration from. (march march dabrowski, from italy to polski, united all our people blah blah blah(uniting all the polish people from gdansk to slovakia from germany to Minsk, Lwow and Vilnuis)).

Aronnax that was depressing... :(

As of me being nationalistic, i've just watched the Polish national anthem a gazillion times due to the other thread, which is where i got the inspiration from. (march march dabrowski, from italy to polski, united all our people blah blah blah(uniting all the polish people from gdansk to slovakia from germany to Minsk, Lwow and Vilnuis)).

I'll remind myself to mention it to my Slovak friends, that they're in fact Poles :lol:

;)

BTW, when can I get the music theme from the second video linked by Annorax?

Well they are, if you go back 1000 or so years. If Poland took over Slovakia, nobody would notice, and the slovakians themselves would consider themselves Polish.

Aronnax that was depressing... :(

As of me being nationalistic, i've just watched the Polish national anthem a gazillion times due to the other thread, which is where i got the inspiration from. (march march dabrowski, from italy to polski, united all our people blah blah blah(uniting all the polish people from gdansk to slovakia from germany to Minsk, Lwow and Vilnuis)).

They sung that song whilst marching with Napoleons Grand Armee? Was Poland an ally or subservient to France? I'm so ignorant about the Napoleonic Wars. Gotta watch more Sharpe...

The partitions happened 10 years earlier, so Poles wanted to regain independence, and we had a massive movement of young poles to Wlochy (italy) where they took arms with Napoleon and headed with him to gain Poland's independence in 1806 basically. Of course that didn't work out as planned.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-l6bd...e=channel_page

Interesting video map, if the the last centuries political history was made of sound..

I've just watched the youtube related videos that deal with Russia. Overall, maps with Russia being divided into numerous independent states and Russia being conquered by her neighbours are nicely compensated by the maps of Russia from Giblartar to Hong Kong. :crazyeye:

The partitions happened 10 years earlier, so Poles wanted to regain independence, and we had a massive movement of young poles to Wlochy (italy) where they took arms with Napoleon and headed with him to gain Poland's independence in 1806 basically. Of course that didn't work out as planned.

Thanks. :goodjob:

I wiki'd it. Makes for interesting reading.

Well they are, if you go back 1000 or so years. If Poland took over Slovakia, nobody would notice, and the slovakians themselves would consider themselves Polish.

I am perfectly sure that Slovaks are about 90% more similar to the Czechs. Have you noticed that you sound like certain Russians when talking about Poland and its borders? :mischief:

BTW, I edited my last post, can you look at the question about the music, please?

Research Dabrowski while your at it. He's the guy from 'March March Dabrowski" he and his brother were in charge of the whole Polish army during napoleonic times.

I am perfectly sure that Slovaks are about 90% more similar to the Czechs. Have you noticed that you sound like certain Russians when talking about Poland and its borders? :mischief:

I wouldn't be to sure, i think that Slovakian language is closer to Polish then it is to Czech. But then again, i'm not an expert on it.

Also, the difference is that those lands were actually ounce Polish (and most of them are still Polish inhabited) while the Russians actually go for new land already inhabited by other nations.

I wouldn't be to sure, i think that Slovakian language is closer to Polish then it is to Czech. But then again, i'm not an expert on it.

Uh, how many Slovaks have you talked with?

Czech and Slovak are mutually intelligible. Czech and Polish isn't. Slovak may be closer to Polish than Czech, but it's not closer to it that it is to Czech.

Also, the difference is that those lands were actually ounce Polish (and most of them are still Polish inhabited)

Which ones? Belarus is not Polish, Lithuania is not Polish, Slovakia is not Polish and Ukraine is not Polish. Somehow, inhabitans of all the nations previously occupied by Poland don't consider themselves Polish.

Must be a coincidence of some sort :mischief:

while the Russians actually go for new land already inhabited by other nations.

True, but Poland wasn't any different in the past.

Uh, how many Slovaks have you talked with?

Czech and Slovak are mutually intelligible. Czech and Polish isn't. Slovak may be closer to Polish than Czech, but it's not closer to it that it is to Czech.

Interesting, i can't understand Czech, but to me, Slovakian is basically Polish with an accent. That's how well i can understand it.

Lwow is Polish. Much of SouthWestern Lithuania and Western Belarus is Polish. I'm not saying the entire nation. Slovakia is an exception of course, as now it isn't Polish.

Hmm? Blame the Lithuanians then. We went into the union with them and it was them that controlled most of the Eastern Land. (which Poland then settled and modernized).

Lwow is Polish.

ORLY? (http://www.ukrcensus.gov.ua/eng/results/general/nationality/Lviv/)

___

How many of those Ukrainians are actually Poles?

I know atleast 3 people from Lwow with the name 'Borowik' written in Cyrillic. Many of those Ukrainians still consider themselves Poles and most of them probably have Polish ancestry.

And of course Russia moved the remaining ones to Siberia or to resettle Silesia.

How many of those Ukrainians are actually Poles?

Why they didn't define themselves as Polish, then?

Interesting, i can't understand Czech, but to me, Slovakian is basically Polish with an accent. That's how well i can understand it.

I find this hard to believe.

Lwow is Polish. Much of SouthWestern Lithuania and Western Belarus is Polish. I'm not saying the entire nation. Slovakia is an exception of course, as now it isn't Polish.

Uhm...

Ethnic Belarusians constitute 81.2% of Belarus's total population.[94] The next largest ethnic groups are Russians (11.4%), Poles (3.9%), and Ukrainians (2.4%)

Hmm? Blame the Lithuanians then. We went into the union with them and it was them that controlled most of the Eastern Land. (which Poland then settled and modernized).

I bet the Russians are saying the same thing to justify their expansion...


How many of those Ukrainians are actually Poles?

I know atleast 3 people from Lwow with the name 'Borowik' written in Cyrillic. Many of those Ukrainians still consider themselves Poles and most of them probably have Polish ancestry.

Many Czechs have German surnames and many Austrians have Czech surnames - it says absolutely nothing about their ethnicity.

http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x80/cubsfan6506/poland.gif
I believe I've restored Poland to it's natural borders

Many Czechs have German surnames and many Austrians have Czech surnames - it says absolutely nothing about their ethnicity.

Oh come on, it does. If not their ethnicity, then at the very least their heritage, ancestry, background whatthehellever you want to call it.

Oh come on, it does. If not their ethnicity, then at the very least their heritage, ancestry, background whatthehellever you want to call it.

How? So an Austrian guy has a Czech surname - something like Novak or Pospisil. He doesn't speak Czech, he lives in Austria, he doesn't care about Czech culture, politics or whatever. Does it matter that his grand-grand-grandfather was a Czech worker in Vienna? No.

Czechs with German surnames (at least 10% of the population - my observation) feel the same. Unlike the Americans, we don't pay much attention to the origins of our surnames.

How? So an Austrian guy has a Czech surname - something like Novak or Pospisil. He doesn't speak Czech, he lives in Austria, he doesn't care about Czech culture, politics or whatever. Does it matter that his grand-grand-grandfather was a Czech worker in Vienna? No.

Czechs with German surnames (at least 10% of the population - my observation) feel the same. Unlike the Americans, we don't pay much attention to the origins of our surnames.

It's not just Americans you know. And I am sure many Czechs do not care about Czech culture or politics. As for language, many Volga Germans in Russia do not speak German, yet they consider themselves German and are considered Germans by those around them.

I was playing around with a map of europe, and got the inspiration from listening to the polish national anthem a couple times today..

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That map and corresponding explanation isn't an alternate history, it's a Poland wankfest.

It's not just Americans you know. And I am sure many Czechs do not care about Czech culture or politics. As for language, many Volga Germans in Russia do not speak German, yet they consider themselves German and are considered Germans by those around them.

They're considered Russians by the Germans, though.

They're considered Russians by the Germans, though.

That kind of thing happens everywhere in the world.

It's not just Americans you know. And I am sure many Czechs do not care about Czech culture or politics. As for language, many Volga Germans in Russia do not speak German, yet they consider themselves German and are considered Germans by those around them.

That's the point - the Czechs with German surnames consider themselves Czech, not German or Austrian. The same goes to Austrians with Czech surnames and I bet also to Ukrainians with Polish names.

Here is yet another "corrected" Europe map:

Here is yet another "corrected" Europe map:

OTL doesn't have enough 90 degree angles. ;)

What's OTL?

What's OTL?

Our Time Line.

Here is yet another "corrected" Europe map:
Corrected for fail?

That's why corrected is in quotes. ;)

I demand a more philhellenic correction :D

Είστε ευπρόσδεκτοι.

EDIT: That is Google translated "You're welcome."

:)

:goodjob:

They've stolen us the Baleares!!! Damn greeks! Bunch of traitors!

Είστε ευπρόσδεκτοι.
Yeah that's a nice map but you should include Gibraltar,The Azores and Puerto Rico(Puerto Greeko) for no reason what so ever other than it would be cool;)
They've stolen us the Baleares!!! Damn greek's! Bunch of traitors!

That's because Greece is cool like that:goodjob:

Here is yet another "corrected" Europe map:

Whaaaat, Poland gets Königsberg :mad: !!??
( ;) )

THIS is a corrected map of Europe:

http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/4969/blankmapeurope.png

You musn't like France and Spain

He must like poland he made it huge!

It's Germany...

Whaaaat, Poland gets Königsberg !!??
Yes we did, and we are moving all the Russians there to Germany for fun.

THIS is a corrected map of Europe:

http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/4969/blankmapeurope.png

Interesting how come you have forsaken Hungary and Slovakia?

Stolen from AH.com

http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff137/mowque/Rough.png

Interesting how come you have forsaken Hungary and Slovakia?

Nah! It's just that I didn't know what to do with them, so I created the Slovak-Hungarian Lake. Now Czechs may enjoy of coastline too :goodjob:

New map of Europe. Germany is dark gray. The ugly yellow country is Poland. (Note the lack of seaports) Greece is purple and has a new capital. Russia gets to be green and has a border with Poland for future convenience.

http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/981/somerevisions.png

Corrected Balkans:

http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/3608/corrected.png

Corrected Balkans:

http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/3608/corrected.png

So Cyprus and Macedonia are still not part of Greece? Weird.

potatokiosk's world a decade or two later.
http://i590.photobucket.com/albums/ss349/dywed/somerevisions.png?t=1238965350

Russo-German border only approximate.

I had to give Rueeia the Ukraine or it just looked ugly.

As long as i'm on the German side. I look forward to Seeing Wisla Krakow beat Bayern Munich.

Not having any idea where Katowice is on that map, I am sure we an create a Russian enclave, if necessary, in place of Kaliningrad.

Wisla Krakow is not in Katowice, and that'd be stupid, cause Germany is no way giving up Silesia just because of one polish football fan.

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And who says it would be Germany's choice which territories it got? I just meant to say it would be divided it between Germany and Russia... as a joke.

Katowice: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katowice
Krakow: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krakow
Germany before WWII: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/3e/DR1919-1937.svg

As you see, even though Katowice and Krakow are outside Germany's former borders, Germany would be the first ones to get their hands on it. Besides, most if not all of Poland would rather be German then Russian.

OK< lets just focus on it being a JOKE.
And I assumed you were from katowice as that is what your location says.

I am. I support Wisla Krakow the football club.

Here's my Europe:D209760

Wow, Estonia is doing pretty good :)

Why yes Estonia is secretly a military juggernaut and has conquered most of Russia:lol:

:mischief:

http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m51/Grenadier_539/AlteredEurope2.png

I just made this one fresh out of the oven;)209784

Mowque, mad props for giving the Kashubians their own country.

The Kashubians are cool, mmkay?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a0/Kasz%C3%ABb%C3%AB_(Kashubia)_map.png/518px-Kasz%C3%ABb%C3%AB_(Kashubia)_map.png

Update of a map I posted awhile ago. Its 1915-ish

http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff137/mowque/messingaround.png

Noooo!

No glorious Russian Empire?!

Germany has not asserted it's right to Alsace-Lorraine, while the southeast remains independent?

This is a horrible alternate reality! :sad:

Neat map though. Makes you wonder if people would've been as terrified of Germany as they actually were if it didn't become a mammoth pre-WW1.

http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h50/Taniciusfox/AlternateMapoftheWorld.png

Wooo. Thread revived. :3

An alternate map of 1914. Take it how you will. Pretty much, history went differently.

Germany's done some good negotiations, avoiding the World War as we know it. With French cooperation, Germany overran the Low Countries, annexing the Netherlands and Germanic-speaking parts of Belgium and Luxemburg. In compensation, France got the Belgian Congo, while giving small parts to it's neighbors to appease them. Germany ceded some of the conquered Dutch East Indies to it's neighbors as well.

After that, Germany carefully moved to construct a Großdeutschland. Rallying Russian and Italian support, it invaded Austria-Hungary. The Habsburg monarchy was soon partitioned, with most of the land going to Russia, German speaking parts to Germany, and the areas south of the Danube to Italy. Whatever was left was turned into Yugoslavia, a reborn form of Serbia. The Habsburgs were reduced to a puppet state in Hungary, while Russia managed to bring much of Southern Europe under it's hegemony.

Serbia soon conquered Bulgaria with the help of Greece. Serbia soon played into Russia's hands when Italy - with German aid - invaded and conquered Greece.

Spain and Portugal, noticing how aggressive and rowdy it's neighbors were - seeing how France unilaterally annexed Andorra and Monaco - soon agreed to found the Iberian Confederation and unite their overseas territories.

In Africa, the USA invaded Liberia to 'protect' it from European aggression. As well, the French, British and Italians worked to conquer Ethiopia, which had managed to repel the Italians when they were alone. The country was partitioned, with Britain taking a lion's share.

Asia saw the partitioning of Persia and Afghanistan. The Iberians had moved to reclaim some of the region, and were propped up by the Russians, Ottomans, and British as a neutral third party that wasn't too strong. The Ottomans themselves had managed to regain their strength and quell most separatist sentiments, and worked to conquer the rest of Arabia. China also came close to booting out the foreigners with a series of reforms, but was beat back by a coalition of all the Great Powers. The end result? In addition to any current concessions remaining, China was forced to cede huge amounts of territory to it's foreign foes, and Tibet was conquered by Britain.

Siam saw some further actions by the Brits and French, who agreed to leave a rump state to separate themselves.

In the Americas, the USA re-invented Manifest Destiny; Coast to Coast became pole to pole. It thus aimed to conquer Mexico and the Caribbean for a start, and came close for the most part; it gave some extra territory to Britain to show goodwill.

In the South, the Great Powers exploited Brazil's position as top dog to unite all the vast powers of the region into one alliance. Brazil soon found itself partitioned and split apart into separate states. Paraguay finally had a long-desired port, while most of the countries formed colonies in Brazil. Iberia once again was favored heavily by the Great Powers, who saw it as a minor power, that could also administer Portuguese-speaking Brazil more efficiently.

Update of a map I posted awhile ago. Its 1915-ish
lolwut independent Bavaria

@ Dachs:

That's what I said! How can he deny Germany it's chance to become glorious Großdeutschland?! :(

I for one like it. Let them join Austria or Venezuela.

@ Dachs:

That's what I said! How can he deny Germany it's chance to become glorious Großdeutschland?! :(
Meh, screw that and think about even the remote plausibility of Bavaria staying independent of both the Habsburg (?) state and whatever quasi-German empire that is.

I for one like it. Let them join Austria or Venezuela.

While my desire for a Greater Germany forbids the first from happening... I support the second one. Just for the epicness of an empire like that. :lol:

Meh, screw that and think about even the remote plausibility of Bavaria staying independent of both the Habsburg (?) state and whatever quasi-German empire that is.

Indeed. Partitions of Poland, meet partitions of Bavaria... :evil:

lolwut independent Bavaria

It is a TEMPORARY state, born out of the intense civil war that occurred in Germany after 'WW1". Munich is already starting to re-integrate.

Excellent. Germany looked a bit disgusting without it's rightful lands to the Southeast...

I'm referring to Austria just as much as Bavaria.

Germany looks disgusting without its rightful lands to the southwest and north.

@ Potatokiosk...

Maybe it should be like my Germany story... complete annexation of all Germanic language regions... the Poles, French and Italians can be annexed as part of a policy of "Lebensraum" to make Germany prettier... :lol:

Germany looks disgusting without its rightful lands to the southwest and north.

The Danish parts might be harder to reclaim...

@ Potatokiosk...

Maybe it should be like my Germany story... complete annexation of all Germanic language regions... the Poles, French and Italians can be annexed as part of a policy of "Lebensraum" to make Germany prettier... :lol:

Italy and France should be left alone, with the exception of alsace-lorraine and possibly tyrol. There's more room in Russia.

Italy and France should be left alone, with the exception of alsace-lorraine and possibly tyrol. There's more room in Russia.

But a re-created Holy Roman state would look epic... granted, the "Holy" would be dropped... lest there be another 30 years war.

But yes! The red giant needs to be cut down... all of Poland should be Germany's anyways... why should they share with their good eastern neighbors?!

why should they share with their good eastern neighbors?!
Good? In Eastern Europe? That is not possible :) Poland, Russia, and every other country in question is inherently bad.

Lets just break all of continental Europe up into small independent states. Let Luxembourg have a shot as the big power on the continent :)

Good? In Eastern Europe? That is not possible :) Poland, Russia, and every other country in question is inherently bad.

So half of Germany must be bad to, no?

We are closer culturally to Germany then to Russia.

I'm sorry, go ahead and group up all Slavic countries, but I do not appreciate calling us 'bad' because of Russia's bad PR of 20 years ago with the West.

Good? In Eastern Europe? That is not possible :) Poland, Russia, and every other country in question is inherently bad.

Lets just break all of continental Europe up into small independent states. Let Luxembourg have a shot as the big power on the continent :)

Hey! Don't mess with the Po' Land! :mad:

GAME MAP AGAIN (unmodded HoI2:Armageddon)

http://img177.imageshack.us/img177/310/hoi22009041105354685d.png

BWAHAHAHA...!?

(I just had to post it here, it is so funny)

Going to take a guess and say that is a uber-Germany and not a huge France?;)

Going to take a guess and say that is a uber-Germany and not a huge France?;):lol:http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/6611/1by1transparent.png

http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/ff136/kamikazeshadow/CrazyEurope.jpg

Went through Wikipedia and added any region that wanted to breakaway from a nation and had a) a rebel movement, b) a name, or c) was bigger than Rhode Island.

Edit: Tan box between Ireland and Scotland is Isle of Man IIRC.

'Walloons' should at least be 'Wallonia'. And I betcha gangleri is going to get pissed at your small version of Catalonia.

Went through Wikipedia and added any region that wanted to breakaway from a nation and had a) a rebel movement, b) a name, or c) was bigger than Rhode Island.

Edit: Tan box between Ireland and Scotland is Isle of Man IIRC.

Nice map :) !
But the Frisians are present in Germany as well. Perhaps you should extend their area.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f5/Friesengebiet.png/661px-Friesengebiet.png

'Walloons' should at least be 'Wallonia'. And I betcha gangleri is going to get pissed at your small version of Catalonia.

I'm an American! Spare me, fellow countryman! :lol: JK. Yeah, I did the best I could with crude knowledge of Europe's regional conflicts.

Edit: Similar map of Africa. I ignored Somalia, South Africa, and Nigeria.

http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/ff136/kamikazeshadow/CrazyAfrica.jpg

I guess i'll repost my map of Balkanized Europe while we're in the mood. (I obviously didn't really take a lot of time in Russia, it could be so much better)

http://i42.tinypic.com/242a4yh.png

Can anyone link to the Huge online map of all the individual African cultures? I want to make a map of how Africa should actually look like.

What is the dark blue blotch in South-West Poland?

My attempt at Silesia.

I found the map of Africa: http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?p=7888619&highlight=map+Africa#post7888619

I'm going to make a proper map of Africa now.

http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/ff136/kamikazeshadow/CrazyEurope.jpg

Went through Wikipedia and added any region that wanted to breakaway from a nation and had a) a rebel movement, b) a name, or c) was bigger than Rhode Island.

Edit: Tan box between Ireland and Scotland is Isle of Man IIRC.

Why did you not include Northern Ireland then? Or Wales?

African could be more balkanised. Katanga should become independent, as well as Darfur, Southern Sudan, Moheli, Anjouan and Casamance

While making the Africa map, i had to delete the Political lines of the old blank map and i created a new Blank map of Africa:

http://i41.tinypic.com/b4zqzo.png

I live in the middle of nowhere-

http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff137/mowque/animalscdsmall-1.jpg

African could be more balkanised. Katanga should become independent, as well as Darfur, Southern Sudan, Moheli, Anjouan and Casamance

don't worry, i'm gonna really balkanize it, and accurately to.http://memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/map_item.pl?data=/home/www/data/gmd/gmd8/g8201/g8201e/ct001273.jp2&itemLink=r?ammem/gmd:@field%28NUMBER+@band%28g8201e+ct001273%29%29&title=The+Times+map+of+the+tribes,+peoples,+%26+na tions+of+modern+Africa.+Compiled+by+Roy+Lewis+%26+ Yvonne+Foy.&style=gmd&legend=

Can anyone link to the Huge online map of all the individual African cultures? I want to make a map of how Africa should actually look like.

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpost.php?p=7531735&postcount=741

Thought this idea sounded familiar.

I'm pleased with the map i found already, and i'm using it, finding cultures on Wikipedia, and finding who is related to who culturally/linguistically, and grouping them up, and creating countries. It'll take awhile, but i'm already done half of Western Africa's Coast.

A little teaser of the work i've been doing so far.

http://i44.tinypic.com/2hqggp2.png

Sigh... I suppose I'll go get my weapons... we need to go to war to prevent this separatism from spreading... unifications and expansions FTW!

@ The Last One

I can't wait to see what an ethnically-correct Africa would look like. :)

Also @ the Last One

Say! Would you by any chance remember where the key for the Balkanised Europe is? A friend of mine wants to know what ethnic groups and such each section represents.

http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/ff136/kamikazeshadow/CrazyEurope.jpg

Went through Wikipedia and added any region that wanted to breakaway from a nation and had a) a rebel movement, b) a name, or c) was bigger than Rhode Island.

Edit: Tan box between Ireland and Scotland is Isle of Man IIRC.

:lol:

I'd like to know when did we attempt to break away from the Czech Rep. and what "rebel movement" do we have :D

There are tons of separatists missing, BTW.

http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/ff136/kamikazeshadow/CrazyEurope.jpg

Went through Wikipedia and added any region that wanted to breakaway from a nation and had a) a rebel movement, b) a name, or c) was bigger than Rhode Island.

Edit: Tan box between Ireland and Scotland is Isle of Man IIRC.

The borders of the Catalan Countries, Euskal Herria, Galiza, the Two Sicilies, Ausonia (WTF is this?), Normandie, Frisia and Scotland make no sense.


BTW, how come Cornwall is independent but not Wales? Why does northern ireland still belong to the UK? Care to explain, please?

The Altered Three Kingdoms of China

http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m51/Grenadier_539/ThreeLands.png

Wu (Fifth Chinese Republic) - located in Hangzhou, the leadership of the Fifth Republic is a loose coalition of liberals, democrats, Christians, businessmen, and the urban Middle Class, banded together to reunite the nation in the name of democracy. In reality, the Central Government faced the same problems as the First and Second Republics in the wake of the Xinhai Revolution - corrupt politicians and powerful local leaders setting themselves up as warlords. Nevertheless, the Hangzhou Regime has the support of many of the Powers and of Taiwan.

Wei (State of China) - Northern China is ruled by a clique of former PLA generals, who imposed militarist rule on the population. Setting themselves up in Beijing, the Wei Generals pointed to the relative stability of their territories as opposed to the perceived lawlessness in the south and west as the evidence of their right to rule. The Wei Clique uses old PRC symbolism to strengthen their legitimacy.

Shu (Qian Dynasty) - a fierce nationalist, the founder of the self-proclaimed Da Qian viewed the Wu as corrupt puppets of foreigners and the Wei as brutal warlords. The Qian advocated a return to the Imperial era and the return of "traditional values". Militarily and economically weakest of the three factions, Qian tactics revolved around guerrila warfare.

Outside of Wei, Shu or Wu control:

Tibet (Xizang) - the Chinese governor of the province declared himself "King of Tibet" as China and the world descended into self-destructive madness. Unpopular with his Chinese subjects and even less popular among the Tibetans.

Xinjiang - After central rule collapsed, there was an attempt to set up an Islamic state in Xinjiang. This went horribly wrong and the region has since been embroiled in constant tribal, religious and ideological warfare. The Governor in Urumqi is content to work with whichever side is winning, and reap the profit.

Qinghai - the province is ruled by several warlords, who reached a compromise regarding territory and the province is now relatively peaceful. Several warlords are Tibetan and are plotting the liberation of Tibet from its self-styled Chinese King.

Taiwan - De facto independent since 1949, the independence of Taiwan was finally proclaimed following the March 16 Incident, by which time Beijing or anyone else was powerless to intervene. Taiwan keeps a close watch on events on the other side of the strait, sending arms and volunteers to help the fledgling Hangzhou government.

Also @ the Last One

Say! Would you by any chance remember where the key for the Balkanised Europe is? A friend of mine wants to know what ethnic groups and such each section represents.

Uhm, if i remember correctly, it was a page about different secessionist movements in different states, and each secessionist movement was basically a gang, similar to how Kosovo is, which is one big gang that gained control of the govornment.

I'll find it, and i'll edit this post when i do.

Edit, actually it didn't take long to find. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_active_autonomist_and_secessionist_movemen ts#Europe

It isn't just about gangs, but also govornment party's and movements. Tell me if that's what your friend is looking for, but i believe that is what i used while making my map.

http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/5725/unitedafrica.jpg

Good luck uniting that.

Hey, I don't make fun of your visions, and you don't make fun of mine.

This is going to be my vision of Africa: link (http://memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/map_item.pl?data=/home/www/data/gmd/gmd8/g8201/g8201e/ct001273.jp2&itemLink=r?ammem/gmd:@field%28NUMBER+@band%28g8201e+ct001273%29%29&title=The+Times+map+of+the+tribes,+peoples,+%26+na tions+of+modern+Africa.+Compiled+by+Roy+Lewis+%26+ Yvonne+Foy.&style=gmd&legend=)

Now i gotta make it... It'll take awhile before i get it all done though...

TBH, I didnt really try on the African map, and for Europe, I....ran out of colors. :lol:, I know..

I'll try again with the Wikipedia map a bit later. For now, here's one of the states.

http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/ff136/kamikazeshadow/CrazyAmerica.jpg

http://i43.tinypic.com/jr5ieb.png

As you see, i've done a little more work, and i noticed that perhaps the reason why Nigeria is fairly successful compared to other African countries, is that even though it has tons of little tribes, all those tribes are somewhat related. On the other hand, other tribes in Western Africa, are spread out throughout numerous countries, which might link to their lack of success compared to Nigeria.

What i'm going to do is make two maps, one of just the plain old African country with the tribes, and another with the tribes, but with the current African borders for comparison.

http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/ff136/kamikazeshadow/Menagerie.jpg

The Menagerie of Europe. Every movement (excl two or three) is on the map. A bit confusing, but whatever.

Some are too small, while others are exaggerated. :) Too tired to go into detail right now though. :)

Some are too small, while others are exaggerated. :) Too tired to go into detail right now though. :)

Hey, I tried. A lot of these mvoements have conflicting areas, and I'm not good at free-handing borders.

@TheLastOne

Thanks! It was exactly what he wanted! :thumbsup:

Hey, I tried. A lot of these mvoements have conflicting areas, and I'm not good at free-handing borders.

You tried? Then what's that thing between Aragon and Navarra? Why does Murcia belong to the Catalan countries together with Valencia and the Baleares but not Catalonia? Why is the shape of Aragon so strange and why does the Aran Valley belong to it? Why is Extremadura independent? And Andalusia? And Cantabria? And León? Your Iberian Peninsula sucks, dude.

You tried? Then what's that thing between Aragon and Navarra? Why does Murcia belong to the Catalan countries together with Valencia and the Baleares but not Catalonia? Why is the shape of Aragon so strange and why does the Aran Valley belong to it? Why is Extremadura independent? And Andalusia? And Cantabria? And León? Your Iberian Peninsula sucks, dude.

I'm sorry I upset your nationalist sentiment. :rolleyes: I don't see you making your own, nor putting in the effort.

Yeah, like me.

My recent map of Africa def. set a new standard in the altered map scene.

LastOne: Are you just brute-forcing that, or is there a trick? I've wanted to do a new US states' borders map, but never had the time.

I'm sorry I upset your nationalist sentiment. :rolleyes: I don't see you making your own, nor putting in the effort.
Actually, he has.

LastOne: Are you just brute-forcing that, or is there a trick? I've wanted to do a new US states' borders map, but never had the time.

You mean the map of Africa that i'm making?

I'm taking the names of tribes on that map i found, and grouping them up by finding thier tribes on wikipedia, taking a look at their linguistic and cultural similarities. I then replicate the tribes borders on Wikipedia by hand.

http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h50/Taniciusfox/RhodesWorld2.png

Once again, Rhodes' dream achieved. With some bonuses.

IIRC this is from a project you are working on?

Chile is socially and economically tied WAY closer to Argentina and Uruguay.

Just listen to their accents. They ought not be paired with those other countries.

Chile is socially and economically tied WAY closer to Argentina and Uruguay.

I can only assume that there was some kind of a Revived Incan Empire project going on.

Yeah, but they would have more of south Colombia.

And Chile would go back to it's pre-war size: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Pacifico1879.svg

I just thought Chile looked prettier as part of Peru and Bolivia... :lol:

For the most part, I avoid rational unifications... if Germany, Britain and the USA can merge, then I think just about anything's possible...

Just made another one210591

I'm going to assume the yellow in Indochina is Uber Thailand. :)

Something from Strangemaps:

http://strangemaps.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/palestina.jpg?w=700&h=1060

I'm going to assume the yellow in Indochina is Uber Thailand. :)

Actually I like to call it Super Siam, by the way what did you think of what i did to Mongolia.

Actually I like to call it Super Siam, by the way what did you think of what i did to Mongolia.

Could've also included Tuva (or extend the Khanate all the way to Kalmykia! :D)

The Altered Three Kingdoms of China

http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m51/Grenadier_539/ThreeLands.png

Wu (Fifth Chinese Republic) - located in Hangzhou, the leadership of the Fifth Republic is a loose coalition of liberals, democrats, Christians, businessmen, and the urban Middle Class, banded together to reunite the nation in the name of democracy. In reality, the Central Government faced the same problems as the First and Second Republics in the wake of the Xinhai Revolution - corrupt politicians and powerful local leaders setting themselves up as warlords. Nevertheless, the Hangzhou Regime has the support of many of the Powers and of Taiwan.

Wei (State of China) - Northern China is ruled by a clique of former PLA generals, who imposed militarist rule on the population. Setting themselves up in Beijing, the Wei Generals pointed to the relative stability of their territories as opposed to the perceived lawlessness in the south and west as the evidence of their right to rule. The Wei Clique uses old PRC symbolism to strengthen their legitimacy.

Shu (Qian Dynasty) - a fierce nationalist, the founder of the self-proclaimed Da Qian viewed the Wu as corrupt puppets of foreigners and the Wei as brutal warlords. The Qian advocated a return to the Imperial era and the return of "traditional values". Militarily and economically weakest of the three factions, Qian tactics revolved around guerrila warfare.

Outside of Wei, Shu or Wu control:

Tibet (Xizang) - the Chinese governor of the province declared himself "King of Tibet" as China and the world descended into self-destructive madness. Unpopular with his Chinese subjects and even less popular among the Tibetans.

Xinjiang - After central rule collapsed, there was an attempt to set up an Islamic state in Xinjiang. This went horribly wrong and the region has since been embroiled in constant tribal, religious and ideological warfare. The Governor in Urumqi is content to work with whichever side is winning, and reap the profit.

Qinghai - the province is ruled by several warlords, who reached a compromise regarding territory and the province is now relatively peaceful. Several warlords are Tibetan and are plotting the liberation of Tibet from its self-styled Chinese King.

Taiwan - De facto independent since 1949, the independence of Taiwan was finally proclaimed following the March 16 Incident, by which time Beijing or anyone else was powerless to intervene. Taiwan keeps a close watch on events on the other side of the strait, sending arms and volunteers to help the fledgling Hangzhou government.

Wow, I had practically the same idea a while ago - even the map looked pretty much the same!

http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/ff136/kamikazeshadow/Menagerie.jpg

The Menagerie of Europe. Every movement (excl two or three) is on the map. A bit confusing, but whatever.

Some are too small, while others are exaggerated. :) Too tired to go into detail right now though. :)

Well, I can speak for the Czech Rep.: Czech Silesia should be merged with Polish Silesia.

Also, southern Slovakia is full of Hungarians who until recently wanted to be a part of Hungary. Now when Hungary is going down, they suddenly learned to appreciate their Slovak citizenship :lol:

I'm going to assume the yellow in Indochina is Uber Thailand. :)

Something from Strangemaps:

http://strangemaps.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/palestina.jpg?w=700&h=1060

Aren't the french generally anti Israeli? Can anyone confirm?

As I understand it the map is meant to show how the West Bank is being carved up by Israel by the Security Wall, settlements and exclusive roads, leaving Palestinian controlled zones cut off and isolated from one another, hence the islands analogy.

ISomething from Strangemaps:

http://strangemaps.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/palestina.jpg?w=700&h=1060

The still have too much land...

As I understand it the map is meant to show how the West Bank is being carved up by Israel by the Security Wall, settlements and exclusive roads, leaving Palestinian controlled zones cut off and isolated from one another, hence the islands analogy.

Heh, not to mention the israeli settlements sunk underwater. Wasn't there a public figure in france who spoke antizionist words a few years back? There was a backlash against him.

Not original but still nice

Blue = France

http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/2835/stuffi.png

Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!

France? NEVER!!!

While you're at it, might as well claim Belgian Congo, Indonesia, Canada and the French parts of the USA.

While you're at it, might as well claim Belgian Congo, Indonesia, Canada and the French parts of the USA.
And Syria/Libanon!

Blue = France

And Djibouti, Madagascar, Haiti, Guadeloupe, Martinique, and France Antartique, along with parts of India, and whatever Italian stuff Napoleon added to his Empire. That French Empire you posted is far from complete.

Imagine. Italian songs echoing off the Danube shores. The Netherlands big enough not to have to worry about the sea. A French-Polish border. Imagine Europe without Germany. This map does.

During most of the first half of the 20th century, Germany was seen by much of the rest of the world as a rogue state in the heart of Europe, its incorrigible belligerence a problem not only to be defeated but also to be eradicated - somehow. Inevitably, some on the lunatic fringe called for wiping Germany off the map — literally. One such plan was discussed earlier on this blog (#123).

Although that particular plan was real, and even though the Second World War was contested with more apocalyptic zeal than any other modern-era conflict, simply obliterating Germany was never seriously considered an option. The aforementioned Kaufmann scheme was the work of a lone pamphlettist, and profited Nazi propaganda more than the Allied cause.

Even the Morgenthau plan, used to similar effect by the German propaganda machine, never envisioned dissolving Germany — merely dismembering and dividing it, while neutralising its economic capacity to wage war. This is in effect what happened after the war, albeit that on top of this, the two halves of Germany ended up on opposing sides of the ideological fence now dissecting Europe.

This ‘neutralised’ Germany and relegated questions of its right to exist to the dustbin of history. Some of the old anxieties did resurface in 1989, when the Berlin Wall fell and the West Germans steamrollered German Reunification, much to the dismay of many others. “I like Germany so much that I prefer to have two of them”, was the sarcastic sentiment of many European politicians (the quote is attributed to Francois Mitterrand).

Is this what a Europe without Germany could have looked like? For starters, it doesn’t resemble the Kaufmann map (cf.sup.) And it’s unknown which basis in fact (or fiction) it might have. But the re-drawn borders don’t look like an occupation so much as an absorption: German toponyms have been rendered in the idioms of each conquering country.

Denmark spills out of Jutland all the way down to Hamborg.
Poland’s new western border corresponds exactly to the old DDR one, with East German cities renamed Drezno (Dresden), Lipsk (Leipzig) and Berolinsk (Berlin), among others.
The Czech Republic extends into northern Bavaria, including Nuremhora (Nuremberg).
Austria has gone completely Italian (Salzburg is now Salcastello) and has overrun southern Bavaria, including Monaco di Baviera (Munich).
France reaches across the Rhine all the way up to Cassel (Kassel), and has frenchified cities like Aix-la-Chapelle (Aachen), Mayence (Mainz) and Charlesrepos (Karlsruhe).
The Netherlands reach Hamburg and touch Poland, and include Keulen (Cologne), Dusseldorp (Dusseldorf) and Willemspoort (Wilhelmshaven).
Some of the toponyms used here are the accepted translations for German city names already in use in other languages, e.g. Keulen (Dutch), Hamborg (Danish) and Mayence (French). Others are overtranslated: e.g. Eeten for Essen, both of which mean ‘to eat’ in Dutch and German respectively, whereas the city derives its name from a term for the East of for ash trees.

Whoever wrote this should pistol whipped, hung from a tree, shot and then run over by a buick. :mad:

Blue = France

http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/2835/stuffi.png

France most not control very much because the picture is not showing up:p

Imagine. Italian songs echoing off the Danube shores
That was quite the case a few thousand years ago. :D :p

(well not Italian per se, but from the Italic peninsula)

Blue = France...And Saint Pierre and Miquelon, and French Polynesia, and San Martin, and Saint Barthelemy, and Mayotte, and Reunion, and all those other islands around Madagascar, and Clipperton Island, and Wallis and Futuna?

...'Cause those are still French.

potatokiosk didn't say anything about the map, except for "Blue = France." There could be some weird things going on that you people just don't understand, AND NEVER WILL

I forgot some places, like Syria and Lebanon, I didn't feel like giving them some areas like Canada, and I didn't feel like hunting down every little island.

Why give northwestern Italy to France? You're weird.

...And Saint Pierre and Miquelon, and French Polynesia, and San Martin, and Saint Barthelemy, and Mayotte, and Reunion, and all those other islands around Madagascar, and Clipperton Island, and Wallis and Futuna?

...'Cause those are still French.

Not anymore

Le grande France
http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n85/West36/map.jpg
Taking it upon myself to do what the people want, I think.
There's always room for a Napoleon expansion!

NO! FRANCE NO! Why do you people insist in Catalans wanting to be frenchies?

BTW, it's LA grande France.

Switzerland isn't french yet. ;)


btw if anyone is interested, i've continued a bit on the Africa map, and i'm hoping to get alot done this weekend as i've been to busy *cough*playing Cod*cough* to work on it.

Le grande France
This "le France"?
http://www.ssmaritime.com/France-0-Jan-1962.jpg

If it was "le", it would be "grand", not "grande". But it is la France. ;)

Here's an anachronistic Russia that also controls the Kupril Islands and Afghanistan.


http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/ff136/kamikazeshadow/AnachronisticRussia.jpg

Did you forget about Azerbaijan and Armenia?

And Bessarabia?

http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/1250/highspeed.jpg

made this for another thread, but it's going in here too ;)

And Moldova?

(in response to the Russian map)

Moldova the historic principality was never inside Russia.
If you mean that part of it that is now known as the Republic of Moldova, that has already been said (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpost.php?p=7997722&postcount=740). ;)

Moldova the historic principality was never inside Russia.
If you mean that part of it that is now known as the Republic of Moldova, that has already been said (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpost.php?p=7997722&postcount=740). ;)

"Moldova" and "Bessarabia" are quite different entities, and I would have expected a person of your calibre to understand the differences.

Don't argue about things you don't know. ;)

Moldova THE REPUBLIC, today's nation state, is a PART of Basarabia. Namely, it's Basarabia without Bugeac (the southern part) and Northern Bukovina (Bucovina de nord), which have been given to Ukraine after WW2.

Basarabia is a PART of the old, historic principality of Moldova; and from this old principality of Moldova, only Basarabia ever belonged to Russia.

Therefore not only does Basarabia INCLUDE today's Republic of Moldova, but the name of this republic is absolute nonsense and from a historic point of view has no justification.

MOLDOVA:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/90/Regions_of_Moldavia.png/665px-Regions_of_Moldavia.png

Does this clear things up?

I should add that in the English-speaking world, Moldova the principality is usually called Moldavia, to distinguish it from Moldova the republic.

I've heard about that... :) It's rather strange since Moldavia is simply the Slavic version of the name Moldova, don't know what made it this way but it always surprises English-speakers with a good knowledge of the history of this part of the world when I tell them there's no distinction in Romanian.

It's called Moldavië in Dutch, so that's close to Moldavia, the Slavic version. :)

/random fact

An update on the map of Africa,

http://i41.tinypic.com/vnnznk.png

And the actual Africa for comparison:
http://i44.tinypic.com/p6bgk.png(notice Nigeria, see what you can infer from the maps)

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As you see, i've done alot more work, and will continue to do so throughout the weekend.

My only question is how the Sahara looks. Not much people live there, certainly not enough to warrant a country, so i had to extend the borders of some countries north and south quite a bit, wondering what you guys think of it.

I'm also questioning my Egypt and Morocco, i've edited those two alot. For Morocco, i expanded it's territories a bit more in the Sahara to include more Berber tribes, and also to fill in some space that was leftover. Egypt might be accurate, or completely innaccurate, and i think i might have made Songhai/Tuareg to big. (hint, it's the biggest country on the map so far, in the Southern-Middle of the Northern African countries) But the Tuareg people that are living in the Sahara are inside the border which is good. (they go from subsaharan africa to South Western Libya)

I take it the maps not quite done yet (I don't think Libya is supposed to stretch in to Ethiopia) but never the less good job so far:goodjob: