What games did you buy. expecting them to be the Greatest Thing Since Sliced Bread but they turned out to be a flop?

Fable II could have been better.
Army of Two sucked.

Far Cry 2, Crysis. They were both fun, but not nearly as good as I thought they would be. And so far I've yet to find any major mods for Crysis that are done. Not quite flops but still disapointing.

Sims 2, great game but still not as much fun as anticipated.

Bioshock owns the cake on this one.

Spore. I took the hype, hook, line and sinker.

Well it doesn't really suck, it just didn't live up to the hype.

Spore. I took the hype, hook, line and sinker.

Well it doesn't really suck, it just didn't live up to the hype.

Yes, it was kiddified and ruined by mass appeal marketing schemes.

Spore .

Aye Spore was a disapointment.

Spore. I took the hype, hook, line and sinker.

Well it doesn't really suck, it just didn't live up to the hype.

How could I forget? :dubious:

I was wondering how long it would take before someone said "Spore."

Can we just hand Spore the title now?

Spore, Quake Wars:ET, FarCry2, Assasin's Creed (when it first came out on PS3)

Last game I played like that was Mass Effect.

I got CivCity Rome and it plays differently than what I expected.

Far Cry 2, Crysis. They were both fun, but not nearly as good as I thought they would be.

I found Far Cry 2 quite entertaining. It took me a while to get into it (I refused to play it for a week as I found it so boring) but once I started playing it hooked me. What didn't you like?

Bioshock owns the cake on this one.

Are you saying Bioshock was a disappointment? It was game of the year, I think.

Spore, Quake Wars:ET, FarCry2, Assasin's Creed (when it first came out on PS3)

Again, what was wrong with Far Cry 2?

Last game I played like that was Mass Effect.

I got CivCity Rome and it plays differently than what I expected.

You didn't like Mass Effect?

My likes and dislieks on Far Cry 2 (although poorly formated) are in the Far Cry 2 thread.
It doesn't suck, it's just not as good as I thought/hoped it would be.

Bioshock isn't bad, but I am glad I only payed $5 US for it.

@Salty Mud

OMG Really!!11!! I totally didnt realize that! You know what, I take my opinion back, Bioshock was the most awsome game ever.

You didn't like Mass Effect?

The one thing that really aggravated me about Mass Effect was having to replay a couple of hours of the game if you died at the wrong point.

Spore. I took the hype, hook, line and sinker.

Well it doesn't really suck, it just didn't live up to the hype.

Yep. The five games in one totally failed.

Lol. Yeah Spore.

Also:
Sid Miers Railroads (rubbish).
Medieval Lords, Build, Expand, Conquer.
Sim City Societies (okay i never had high hopes anyway).
City Life (who gives a crop who lives where).
Bah.

Wasnt enamoured with the following

CivCity Rome
Colonization
Supreme Ruler 2020

@Salty Mud

OMG Really!!11!! I totally didnt realize that! You know what, I take my opinion back, Bioshock was the most awsome game ever.

I asked if you really thought Bioshock was a disappointment, and stated my opinion on the game. Please tell me where I gave you permission to act like an ass in my statement. :rolleyes:

Wow, thought this would have been mentioned by now, but since it hasn't...

MOO3

Recent ones i played:

Fallout3 - thoroughly discussed in the other thread
Prince of Persia (2008) - it's not a bad game; but it's a prince of persia for non-violent hippies, kids and anime-fans. The ending is quite nice tho. :)
Red Alert 3 - yawn

Well, I wouldn't say they sucked but I was pretty disappointed in EU Rome and Fallout 3.

I was pretty disappointed in EU Rome
Moi, aussi. RTW was superior in virtually every aspect. :(

Far Cry 2, Crysis. They were both fun, but not nearly as good as I thought they would be. And so far I've yet to find any major mods for Crysis that are done. Not quite flops but still disapointing.

I think the Crysis editor is more fun than the actual game. The problem with shooters is the lack of replay value. Once you've played all of the levels, you know where every bad guy is, where every item is, etc.. Physic experiments are more fun to do in the editor, though (I have the demo).

And yes, Spore didn't meet my expectations. I never got it, but I watched live video feeds of spore games. I just didn't like how the player seemed forced to advance to the space age and limb placement/body type had no bearing on the creature. Plus a whole bunch of other stuff, too.

And yes, Spore didn't meet my expectations. I never got it, but I watched live video feeds of spore games. I just didn't like how the player seemed forced to advance to the space age and limb placement/body type had no bearing on the creature. Plus a whole bunch of other stuff, too.

And you read endless rants and moans on here about how crap it was... :p

Wow, thought this would have been mentioned by now, but since it hasn't...

MOO3
yup, that one absolutely classifies...after MoO2 my hopes were really high and I was quite excited when I carried the MOO3 box home....alas, the excitement didn't last. :(

Quest 64 - This game basically ingrained the necessity of vetting every single video game purchase I would ever make thereafter.

Rome Total War - It ran horribly on my computer and when I got it to work, I realized I still didn't like RTS games :p

Rogue Squadron - There may be nothing more frustrating in a game like RS than the escort mission. Of course, Rogue Squadron was littered with difficult escort missions.

Donkey Kong 64 - I enjoyed the game, but it was essentially a massive clone of Banjo-Kazooie. Way to many things to collect and probably 2 too many Kongs. It should have been a sidescroller or less collecting oriented platformer.

Rise of Nations - Maps were too small, too RTSey. I can see the appeal though, but basically the only RTS I ever liked was Age of Empires II.

I asked if you really thought Bioshock was a disappointment, and stated my opinion on the game. Please tell me where I gave you permission to act like an ass in my statement. :rolleyes:

here:

Are you saying Bioshock was a disappointment? It was game of the year, I think.

thats where.

I asked if you really thought Bioshock was a disappointment, and stated my opinion on the game. Please tell me where I gave you permission to act like an ass in my statement. :rolleyes:

He's just an angsty teenager, let him get his anger out. It's healthier for him in the long run. :)

here:

The internet breeds some rather retarded people.

He's just an angsty teenager, let him get his anger out. It's healthier for him in the long run. :)

I must confess, I do suffer from random outbursts of anger, but I do not take it out on random shmucks on the 'net.
Well, try to control it, please.

Baten Kaitos. What a horribly done game, who's only plus side is that its very pretty, until the characters start talking.

BioShock a hundred times around. I was expecting it to be Deus Ex 3, but it was awful.

Only four different enemies, all of the weapons were useless except for the wrench, the plot was predictable from the first thirty minutes in, hacking ("plumbing") was absurdly easy which made it pointless, the game's infamous moral choices boiled down to "more ADAM now or more ADAM later", etc.

He's just an angsty teenager, let him get his anger out. It's healthier for him in the long run. :)

The internet breeds some rather retarded people.
I must confess, I do suffer from random outbursts of anger, but I do not take it out on random shmucks on the 'net.

I agree with him (except his outburts of anger), Bioshock was a disapointment and I don't know why it was Game of the Year. I'm glad I only payed $5.

Another vote for MOO3.
Age of Mythology: not enough improvement over Age of Empires series, terribly limited number of units, resources run out rather fast
Neverwinter Nights: got bored of this one quite quickly, unbalanced opponents
Sacred Plus: some bugs in the campaign that would cause you to get stuck and force you to reload hours later, once you realized that there was no way anymore to finish the campaign
Midnight Club II: ridiculous rubber banding, races on average are too hard, quirky controls,...
Magic the Gathering - Battlegrounds: boils down to a clickfest: can you hit a certain key faster than the AI is playing? Particularly disappointing and awful compared to the much older MtG games out there.
Tales of Imerion: lame attempt to rip off Master of Magic but failing terribly even though MoM was a decade older.

That's all for now :)

The internet breeds some rather retarded people.



I must confess, I do suffer from random outbursts of anger, but I do not take it out on random shmucks on the 'net.

YES!WINSAUCE! We disagree so I must be an angsty teenager, your right, I think I'll go listen to some Nirvana rite now and write dark poetry.

GalCiv2 (including expansions) . teh game is boring. a poor copy of SM`s Civ. In space. ..riiight.

The internet breeds some rather retarded people.
...
I must confess, I do suffer from random outbursts of anger, but I do not take it out on random shmucks on the 'net.

Yes it does. Someone clearly says that they think Bioshock fits the thread topic the best and you disagree, so instead of saying you disagree, you ask them "Are you saying that Bioshock was a disappointment?". This seems to imply that you feel he is an idiot for thinking this way and you supply support for your opinion in the form of a fact that has little relation to whether or not a game actually is good. Tons of kids (and adults) think that graphics are the only important thing to a game and that skews results greatly (I will admit graphics should be considered but they play way too large of a role nowadays). I personally haven't played Bioshock, so I can't comment on the game but I feel that you calling him retarded is ridiculous as he didn't say anything retarded and you did in this last post. You are not a random shmuck to him. You are someone who looked down their nose at him when he said he didn't like Bioshock. If you didn't mean to imply that then the initial message doesn't matter as much but you still said he was retarded when he only responded in a sarcastic manner to tell you how ridiculous you sounded.

YES!WINSAUCE! We disagree so I must be an angsty teenager, your right, I think I'll go listen to some Nirvana rite now and write dark poetry.

To be fair, the one who said angsty teen wasn't salty_mud. He did seem to agree though. WINSAUCE! doesn't help your case much either, but that is irrelevant as it came after the important things were said.

Yes it does. Someone clearly says that they think Bioshock fits the thread topic the best and you disagree, so instead of saying you disagree, you ask them "Are you saying that Bioshock was a disappointment?". This seems to imply that you feel he is an idiot for thinking this way and you supply support for your opinion in the form of a fact that has little relation to whether or not a game actually is good. Tons of kids (and adults) think that graphics are the only important thing to a game and that skews results greatly (I will admit graphics should be considered but they play way too large of a role nowadays). I personally haven't played Bioshock, so I can't comment on the game but I feel that you calling him retarded is ridiculous as he didn't say anything retarded and you did in this last post. You are not a random shmuck to him. You are someone who looked down their nose at him when he said he didn't like Bioshock. If you didn't mean to imply that then the initial message doesn't matter as much but you still said he was retarded when he only responded in a sarcastic manner to tell you how ridiculous you sounded.

I don't see why you have entered yourself into this debate, and I also don't know what you are trying to prove by doing so. The way I said this was not to cast doubt or disdain upon his decision, I was merely a bit skeptical of what he was meaning because most people I speak to like Bioshock. I don't know where your graphical rant came from, and to be honest I don't particularly care about graphics in games. As far as I'm concerned, he is a random shmuck, because I cannot recollect conversing with him on these boards (at least, not in a civil manner...) and I do not know him personally.

Let's get one thing clear: I did not at any point look down my nose at him for his opinion on a video game. My initial intention wasn't to cause dissent or aggravation, you and Harbringer have caused this. The reason I called him retarded is because of his completely unnecessery and sarcastic response to my statement.

I am refering to this response...

@Salty Mud

OMG Really!!11!! I totally didnt realize that! You know what, I take my opinion back, Bioshock was the most awsome game ever.

Either it was a complete misinterpretation of my post, or he is trolling and attempting to cause trouble... on an internet forum... :dubious:

YES!WINSAUCE! We disagree so I must be an angsty teenager, your right, I think I'll go listen to some Nirvana rite now and write dark poetry.

Ok, so this may be in response to my post which wasn't too appropriate, but come on. Use some common sense and just stop talking asbout this now, and get back on topic.

"Either it was a complete misinterpretation of my post."

Bingo, except it was also easy to make that misinterpretation. I joined this debate because I was reading the thread. The point at which I decided to join in was the posting of "angsty teen" and "retarded". Prior to those words, I was just going to read the rest of the thread and leave, which is what I usually do. I am in a weird mood today so I decided to actually post on what I was feeling instead of not doing so.

Game that is closest to the thread topic for me is L4D, but L4D is in no way bad, they just didn't add anything new into the game from the demo. SC2 will fit this thread perfectly if the trailers I have seen are any indication of what it will be like. It looks to have been changed into more like WC3 than SC in playing style, regardless of whether heroes will be in SC2.

Edit: I should add that I haven't played many new games in the past while, TF2 and L4D are the only ones in a long time.

I wouldn't say Spore sucked... but it really wasn't as good as I, or anyone, had hoped it would be. It's still a fine game to play, in the same way that The Sims series is - you just have to use your imagination a bit to avoid getting bored. But I had hoped to be able to use my imagination while, you know, getting to do more stuff.

Rollercoaster Tycoon 3 also seemed pretty awful compared to RT2, although I'm not a great connoisseur of that particular series.

Prior to those words, I was just going to read the rest of the thread and leave, which is what I usually do. I am in a weird mood today so I decided to actually post on what I was feeling instead of not doing so.

But you lost your exalted poster-without-postcount status! What price a weird mood, Nahkarma? :(

Well it's not just a weird mood, I didn't go to class today cause I am sick. Correct me if I am wrong, but we missed you in the current notw. Why is that? :(

I would say Spore sucked. Hard.

Spore. No depth

Pretty much the bulk of LucasArts games past X-Wing: Alliance :(

The best way to play Spore is to leave the disc in the case and just imagine that you are playing it. Then it can be as in-depth as you want it to be. Plus you can make all of your creatures look like Rosie O'Donnell.

Rosie O'Donnell roams the wide open savannah mauling wildebeest... in my imagination. :D

Correct me if I am wrong, but we missed you in the current notw. Why is that? :(

I do not have time for NotW anymore. :( Plus there are other reasons to do with game mechanics.

The best way to play Spore is to leave the disc in the case and just imagine that you are playing it. Then it can be as in-depth as you want it to be. Plus you can make all of your creatures look like Rosie O'Donnell.

Rosie O'Donnell roams the wide open savannah mauling wildebeest... in my imagination. :D
Thanks, SpongeBob. I'm going to go imagine myself up a Byzantine Empire and go maul some Turks. :p

On-topic, I was disappointed with the later installments of the Army Men series. I kinda liked some of the earlier ones, the RTS-style ones and the two Sarge's Heroes games, but after that 3DO barely made any and the ones they did make sucked.

@Salty mud

Dude, looking down your barrel of righteousness and remarking about my opinion as you did comes off as pretty snoody. And then you also made some kind of game site reference to it being "game of the year" like that one guy that posts all the lists here that nobody likes. Who cares if it was game of the year in whoevers book, a sucky game is a sucky game.
How about you guys just report posts, rather than crapping on each other like this?

Bingo, except it was also easy to make that misinterpretation. I joined this debate because I was reading the thread. The point at which I decided to join in was the posting of "angsty teen" and "retarded". Prior to those words, I was just going to read the rest of the thread and leave, which is what I usually do. I am in a weird mood today so I decided to actually post on what I was feeling instead of not doing so.

Harbinger was a little rude to Mr. Mud, so I was a little rude back. I don't really have an opinion on Bioshock :p


For another overrated game, I think Final Fantasy X was way too easy and the main character way too annoying to be up there with the rest in the series.

Final fantasy XII was a load of crap.

The new Prince of Persia for PS3. I mean wtf happened. This series used to be awesome. Now you can't even die and the graphics are all cartoony and crappy. Damn I hate this game, however I loved the 3 for the ps2. Un-effin-believable waste of $60.

Replaying Bioshock, its not as bad as I remember, but its still one big sloppy bowl of repetition, and If I could just take out that stupid mind-bogglyingly retarded scene in the beggining of the game where your guy just decides to stick himself for no reason, I might actually have some immersion left. Seriously, that one scene, kills any immersion the game might have had.

I thought Battlefield 2: modern combat was going to be awesome (after playing the pc version)

I have never been so let down in a game before.

final fantasy series and legend of zelda: phantom hourglass.

you know what? throw in all Jrpg's in there with final fantasy.

GTA4 and Saint's Row 2 for the PC. They would probably be good if they weren't designed to run on hardware that doesn't exist yet.

Boiling Point I thought might be fun and it had potential but it was a piece of garbage.

Spore, I got sick of it by the Civ stage which was a cheap C&C minigame and only cheated by way through it to try out the mediocre space stage.

Final Fantasy bores me. Neverwinter Nights, Baldur's Gate and Icewind Dale also bore me.

Need for Speed Undercover. Worst NFS ever.

GTA4 and Saint's Row 2 for the PC. They would probably be good if they weren't designed to run on hardware that doesn't exist yet.


Or better yet, if the developers hadn't been lazy and actually sat down and worked on porting the game properly.

Black and White 2. B&W1 was x100 better.

Spore.
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Sims 2, Guild 2, Victoria


Games that border-line sucked (got a bout a month of fun from, then quit): Colonization 2, Spore, GTA3:San Andreas

Spore didn't really let me down since I had a feeling they'd screw it up one way or the other, so my expectations weren't too high.

For another overrated game, I think Final Fantasy X was way too easy and the main character way too annoying to be up there with the rest in the series.

wait what? Oh that's right, you didn't got the PAL-version where there are dark aeons where you need to have your stats maxed for or you're toast. Also, Penance, is a great "weapon".

and FFXII isn't one of my favs but at least they gave us a DAMN HARD WEAPON, to deal with.

The one thing that really aggravated me about Mass Effect was having to replay a couple of hours of the game if you died at the wrong point.

You can save at any point.

You can save at any point.

Except I don't like having to go out of my way to save when I just want to keep playing.

Except I don't like having to go out of my way to save when I just want to keep playing.

Well then you are making problems for yourself... :confused:

Mass Effect had dull, stolen style to it. I got bored of it within 30 mintues of the game. Still sitting in my box, collecting dust.

Assasin's Creed was the same thing. It just didnt hook me. I'm not looking for being a part of a story. I'm looking to MAKE my own story. Creed just didn't hook me.

There are hundreds of games that I can think of that turned out to be... just awful. But I'll just go with those two.

Well then you are making problems for yourself... :confused:

I don't remember playing a game where losing a life lost me so much game time. Maybe 5-10 minutes, but when I've just lost an hour of gameplay I feel no reason to pick it up again.

IMO, saving the game should be for when I want to stop playing.

Did anyone mention that Spore thing? A complete waste of time and talent.
;)

Heroes IV I guess.
I've honestly not been fooled many times or bought into some hype :)
And before I buy any game I try it out, one way or the other =)

Rogue Squadron - There may be nothing more frustrating in a game like RS than the escort mission. Of course, Rogue Squadron was littered with difficult escort missions.

Play on an easier level then. Rouge Squadron was and will always be the best game in its category
It is not only better in spirit. Many hail it as better than games that came later such as Battle for Naboo.

That may be true, and I did love most of the non-escort missions...it just did not live up to the hype for me PERSONALLY. I'm not totally dissing on the idea that some people could love it :)

I played on a pretty easy level, I'm rather sucky at those types of games.

Play on an easier level then. Rouge Squadron was and will always be the best game in its category
It is not only better in spirit. Many hail it as better than games that came later such as Battle for Naboo.
I loved Rogue Squadron. It and Mario Kart 64 were made of pure win.

Super Mario Sunshine has been a disaster of a Mario game. This game made me shine down all future Mario Games and lead me to put the next Mario game on this list:

Super Mario Galaxy:
I'm not into linear, "do it the right way or parish" storyline. While Galaxy had it where you can do another level when you can't beat one level, it is only a tenth as glorious as it's bigger brother Super Mario 64. Although platform games are my least favorite video game genre, I thought that a Mario games should surpass it's limitations, and Galaxy didn't. My twelve-year-old nephew loves this game, but someone that has lived throughout Mario's entire lifeline, this game isn't as great as it seems, and I get tired of this game in a matter of mintues.

Mass Effect had dull, stolen style to it. I got bored of it within 30 mintues of the game. Still sitting in my box, collecting dust.

Assasin's Creed was the same thing. It just didnt hook me. I'm not looking for being a part of a story. I'm looking to MAKE my own story. Creed just didn't hook me.

I think the gameplay of Mass Effect was a bit dull as you say. I really liked the story and the environment, so I just kept playing because of that. I rather liked the game actually. But I expect better of the sequel in terms of equipment and character customization. The inventory system was bland, the weaponry and armors just boring, the battle system was "meh". But yeah, I really wanted to learn more about the story as the game progressed. I had a friend who e-mailed me and told me this game was not very good and he had abandoned it early on, I said pretty much exactly what I just said now, he eventually e-mailed back saying that he persevered past the first couple of hours and that I was right in that the main quest and storyline redeemed the game to some extent and he ended up thinking of Mass Effect in more favorable terms.. Still, a 7.5/10 would be about right.

As for Assassin's Creed, I was really annoyed with this game. They created one of the most awesome gaming environment possible (these cities are awesome!) but they're completely devoid of anything to do. That's right, there's nothing to do in them. There's only the main story and the repetitive stupid tasks asked of you. The game frustrated me so much. It was a really bad case of facepalm - "what were they thinking" moment. If I had been an environmental designer for that game, I would feel insulted by the people responsible for fleshing out the game. I dunno, they should have added random quests, or factions to team up with, just... a reason to stop and look at different parts of the city and enjoy them. Right now all you do is climb up a few buildings, run from point A to point B, do an assassination in an obvious way that was planned all along... bleh... Sure, you can do the assassination "any way you want", but what's the point when they present a really obvious manner in which it should be done.

I've had enough of game companies taking gamers for retards.

Mass Effects issue was that they tried to play it off as having RPG elements and it really didn't. The points and stuff didn't really matter save a few, and that's what made me mad. There really isn't that big of a gap between a level 30 charterer and a level five character, and an RPG just shouldn't be that way.

As for Assassin's Creed, I was really annoyed with this game. They created one of the most awesome gaming environment possible (these cities are awesome!) but they're completely devoid of anything to do. That's right, there's nothing to do in them. There's only the main story and the repetitive stupid tasks asked of you. The game frustrated me so much. It was a really bad case of facepalm - "what were they thinking" moment. If I had been an environmental designer for that game, I would feel insulted by the people responsible for fleshing out the game. I dunno, they should have added random quests, or factions to team up with, just... a reason to stop and look at different parts of the city and enjoy them. Right now all you do is climb up a few buildings, run from point A to point B, do an assassination in an obvious way that was planned all along... bleh... Sure, you can do the assassination "any way you want", but what's the point when they present a really obvious manner in which it should be done.

I've had enough of game companies taking gamers for retards.

Goddamnit, for once i write more then an one-liner or two and then the webbrowser blasted it :mad:

in short:

stealth games: only good for petty ai to massacre: hitman, metal gear solid. not thief though, still, my arrow, your face, a great combo.

blame: my playing style of just going in and going rambo and still succeeding. (a hotel in vegas, totally massacred in a killing spree that lasted over an hour, no witnesses left in my assassination. Take that, mumbai! :lol:

assassin's creed suffers from same pettiness, ends up being vehicle to massacre civilians in a very flashy way, (haha, take that Jeruzalem, and that, and that!) and of course for horsecharging headlong into a squadron of Moors backed by a templar (wait what)

I hadn't bought a new game in quite a while so I really wanted something... Yesterday I went to EB games and couldn't find anything I felt that enthusiastic about. Is it me or there's very few "big" games that are interesting these months? By "big" I mean games that you can find in local stores (i.e. you're lucky to find Paradox games there).

So I found a used copy of Gothic 3, I thought Gothic 1 and 2 were alright, I had read mixed reviews about 3, but I thought "I like these types of games usually". So I got it... It was very beautiful. Wow, it looked great. Apart from that, it was a horrible disaster that made my soul cry. The combat system is horrible, stun-locking is really annoying. Even in Oblivion, my current Battlemage gets stun-locked relatively often because of his low agility and I find it annoying like hell, but at least there's a game mechanic to prevent it (have more agility...), but in Gothic 3, you can get stun-locked by a wolf even at high levels, apparently. The character models look like crap, the dialogue is tacky, the storyline seems really uninspired. All that redeemed it was its looks at high quality graphics. For some reason, quicksaving takes MANY seconds, and quickloading almost takes a whole minute, if not more. And that`s with my quad-core 4 gigs of RAM computer that plays Crysis full graphics perfectly well.

So anyway, I didn't think the game was going to be great, I knew it had mixed reviews... But I didn't expect his amount of BS. Especially after playing Gothic 1 and 2, which were fine games.

I managed to bring it back to the store, but they usually don't accept PC games back here. In any store you go, they won't take your PC games back. Because of copyright management and all that (DRM, CD-keys, etc...). So I had to resort to exchanging it for another game (and paying the difference) and explaining that my copy of Gothic 3 was used anyway and was already opened when I bought it. He said OK... There are laws here that say that any product you buy, ANYTHING, you have the right to bring back within 2 weeks. I have to admit that it doesn't work very well with the reality of copyright protection in PC games. They're killing small retailers, but I guess small retailers also have the potential to kill PC games, hehe.

As I said though, I had to exchange the game and there was nothing I wanted in the store. So I picked Far Cry 2, I didn't really want to pay that much for it, but I'd much rather play an average game for a big price, than a very crappy one for 20$. So I'm sure it'll somewhat disappoint me, but I've seen that at least some people had some amount of fun with it on these forums, hopefully they're right, I trust you guys ;) The other option was Mirror's Edge, but I think this game only has like 5 hours of game play so screw this.

I came back from the store half an hour ago and realized I hadn't uninstalled Gothic 3. I double-clicked... It works without DVD... Uh... Well... I guess I got an average game and a crappy game for 45$. Who knows, maybe I'll try to find redeeming qualities to Gothic 3 in a far far far future.

Well, Far Cry 2 is almost done installing now... I guess this is why this post is so long, passing time...

Tsk tsk, and here I thought I was among TBS fans yet no one's mentioned the worst TBS suck flop disappointment of all time: Master of Orion III.

MOO3. For a while I was really excited about a "Civ in space" type game, but this game was utterly confusing and boring. It's put me off the whole genre since, unfortunately. :(

Can anyone recommend a really good TBS-in-space game?

MOO2 was superior in so many ways to MOO3.

Sins of a Solor empire was a flop for me. I thought the pace of game is to slow for me, and I did not like how there was no story mode.