This is the official thread of the FSD. Queue is to be worked out later, with the help of Civanator, who I am apointing Deputy In Action, since Strider is gone without a trace. I look forewards to leading this and getting us through those tricky ancient times.

Thank you,
SaaM (the penguin)

Queue: It IS changeable
Start with Warrior Code and Brozne Working.
Edit- heres the new queue proposal:
1. ceremonial burial
2. iron working
3. mysticism
4. polytheism
5. monarchy
6. alphabet
7. writing
8. the wheel
9. literature
10. pottery
11. map making
12. horseback riding
13. masonry
14. philosophy
15. code of laws
16. republic
17. math
18. construction
19. currency

i was thinking a start-up of alpha/writ/lit for the 1st 3 since our off n def r taken care of. then iron working while the capitol builds the gl. and ill think from there. go, let me watch south park in peace

I'd be more in favour of making a beeline for either Iron Working or The Wheel, and then starting to go down the road to the GL, making a deviation at some point to research Horseback Riding if we opt to use the horse-rush strategy.

I don't think we'll have a snowball's chance in hell of completing the Great Library. I would suggest Iron Working, Ceremonial Burial, and then straight on to Monarchy. Then we can come back for the horses. I think we need to improve the government as soon as possible (while keeping in a semi-war mode), and the Hanging Gardens may be our only real chance for a wonder. The temples will also be very helpful.

SAaM, we dwell not in Bensalem, In Atlantis, In Avalon, or in the Insula Delicarum.

We are in Fanatika, and thus we must do what is best for all of Fanatika. A military focusing would be best, as well as happiness.

I do support the production of cultural buildings of course, and I will support the researching of literature. However, we must keep Fanatika's best interests in mind, and though I'd prefer to stick to Republic, no war, and a lot of libraries, that will alas not be likely till we've begun conquering a few other civilizations. Thus you must keep that in mind. Please SAaM, focus on the whole, for it is greater than the sum of it's parts (and no one state I like holism, for I've my share of reductionist tendencies)

Culture requests that Ceremonial Burial be researched soon, for happiness is low, and military police can only do so much. SAaM, should the event arise again, I'll be sure to add my advice and succor, and if you follow what I and other's have stated, you'll be magnificent.

A path for Ceremonial Burial would be good, as it leads the way toward monarchy, which will doubtless be the prefered government, as I predict much warmongering in the future.

On a different note, I'm compiling a list of names all the officials are planning on naming their cities. If it isn't too much, could I get the respective naming plans from both Strider and SAaM? Thanks.

Cyc's suggestion seems very wise. It seems a great path to try. Also, we willl need Literature at some point. Being scientific, our cheapest cultural building shall be the library. We may also want to trade for techs that give us a new unit (chariots, swordsmen, etc...).

the queue is up top

SAaM, would you mind discussing the rhyme and reason to your queue?

I think iron working is a good choice for our first tech.

SAaM, I think your jumping into this too quickly. You should've had a discussion, poll, etc.

Originally posted by Cyc
I don't think we'll have a snowball's chance in hell of completing the Great Library. I would suggest Iron Working, Ceremonial Burial, and then straight on to Monarchy. Then we can come back for the horses. I think we need to improve the government as soon as possible (while keeping in a semi-war mode), and the Hanging Gardens may be our only real chance for a wonder. The temples will also be very helpful.

I actually played an emperor game where I *did* build the GL before the AI! (I had a GL too). It was GOTM11 in fact. :D

It is possible to build the GL on emperor level. You do have to go straight for literature, not trade it, and hope the AI doesn't research it, which is possible, since it is an optional tech. You cannot, however, count on it, unless you get a great leader very early, and save it for the Great Library.

With the cascade effect and the improved production of the AI on this level, you need a very hefty head start to beat them without a leader.

Even if we can't, or don't get the GL, literature gives us regular libraries. Because of our scientific trait, libraries will be our cheapest basi cultual improvment.

It is very possible for us to build the Great Library (I did it in a Deity game before). I think we should pursue Iron Working first and then the Wheel to up our defenses. Maybe we could trade for Ceremonial Burial, if not go straight for Literature to get the GL. With the GL life in Fanatika will be much easier.

I think that the Great Library will be completely necessary to be built before the AI. I would suggest that we put our science research at a maximum and go for Alphabet, Writing, and Literature first. Once we have the GL, we will get any tech we have missed, and will be able to stockpile gold to buy techs for the middle ages.

On the higher difficulties, techs are not researched--they are bought.

i officially object to the current queue because:
a. it was determined entirely by stuck_as_a_mac with no democratic input
b. it places undue emphasis on military technologies
c. it defers more advanced government till too late in the game (ed. note: workers only have 50 percent efficiency under despotism)

i would instead propose:
1. ceremonial burial
2. iron working
3. mysticism
4. polytheism
5. monarchy
6. alphabet
7. writing
8. the wheel
9. masonry
10. pottery
11. map making
12. horseback riding
13. literature
14. philosophy
15. code of laws
16. republic
17. math
18. construction
19. currency

this queue helps to back off the military emphasis (though it still provides iron working quickly). it also gets us to monarchy asap so as to remove the halving of our workers effectiveness. i would greatly appreciate input from the people.

neutral leader is a good, responsible provincial governor

I like that! Ceremonial burial first! Literature in decent time, military is good! Wonderful!

tell that to the miltary department. neutral, for once, i am agreeing with you. mabey we could switch literature with masonry? (even sooner) personaly, i want the gl. i have since i started running for this job. this queue is due to pressure from the mininstry of war. hence my name, the ministry of peace.
just switch lit with masonry and ill propose it to the war department.

1. ceremonial burial
2. iron working
3. mysticism
4. polytheism
5. monarchy
6. alphabet
7. writing
8. the wheel
9. literature
10. pottery
11. map making
12. horseback riding
13. masonry
14. philosophy
15. code of laws
16. republic
17. math
18. construction
19. currency

im doing iron/alpha/writing/lit
this will be good for us.
we will get the gl and put science funding on 0%. this way, we can support our armies.

please do not abject to this one. its what im proposing at the tc.

map making needs to be earlier we need maps quicker and maybe the ability to buiold the great lighthouse which mean more trading oppertunities

Originally posted by Stuck_As_a_Mac
im doing iron/alpha/writing/lit
this will be good for us.
we will get the gl and put science funding on 0%. this way, we can support our armies.

please do not abject to this one. its what im proposing at the tc.

Don't propose it at the turn chat. Start a poll...

Originally posted by Stuck_As_a_Mac
im doing iron/alpha/writing/lit
this will be good for us.
we will get the gl and put science funding on 0%. this way, WE CAN SUPPORT OUR ARMIES
please do not abject to this one. its what im proposing at the tc.

Emphasis mine so all know.

Do you know what else would be good? if we had ceremonial burial, and thus temples, which would decrease need for MP. thus needing less military money to support. Surely you can see the logic in that!

Well, hopefully, curufinwe, we can pick up Ceremonial Burial on a trade. If we focus on that in our dealings with AI encounters, this will help immensely. Otherwise, we'll be hogtied by unhappiness early in the game.

The Oracle (for the wonder) is obsolete by the time the Sistene Chapel is available. So, the only wonders I see us trying to build is:

Pyramids (only if we're on a large continent - if another civ is building it, and starts close by, we could take them)

The Great Library - Almost a definate must.

Colossus and Great Lighthouses are usually favorites of the AI...

Acutally, the Colossus is a pretty easy one to get. I got it in an emperor OCC I recently lost... It will provide in that city the benefits a democracy's increased commerce.

The Great Library = hard to get. We will need to prebuild from the beginning to get it.

Please post any turn chat instructions (if applicable) in this thread (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=31180) for tonight's game.

I agree with Doughnut boy, the Colossus is real easy to get. I can't recall a game where I was unsuccessful in building the Colossus. :)

you see, if we go up one square, we could work on prebuilding the coll for the gl. we could pursue our military and then, when writing is halfway done, prebuild the coll, switch to the gl and get it. thoughts?

Originaly posted by Stuck_as_a_mac
we will get the gl and put science funding on 0%. this way, we can support our armies.

And if we do build the Great Library, We must remember that Education renders it obsolite. If we place the science rate at 0%, we nead to remember to set the science rate so we can get more tech once the GL becomes obsolite. :)

i no. also, we should still study in the middle ages, heading down the bottom to get to mil tradition (calvary). also, we get a free tech, so lets hope its fudalisim for sunz tus.

Has our illustrious FSD asked the people what it is they would like to research? If so, would someone please post a link to that discussion?

yup. der schivagan science queue. its in the citizen thread. also, the i/a/w/l is an idea in which a mod, a submariner, a war department and a penguin agreed on.

Since Strider hasn't responded to posting his Science Department Thread as required at the start of the term, I will seek a replacement this Saturday night/Sunday.

yay!

Originally posted by Chieftess
Since Strider hasn't responded to posting his Science Department Thread as required at the start of the term, I will seek a replacement this Saturday night/Sunday.

Strider has posted in the science election thread - says he was banged up in a car crash. Perhaps we should give him a little time before dumping him?

May I be Turn Chat Rep?

Originally posted by Stuck_As_a_Mac
yup. der schivagan science queue. its in the citizen thread. also, the i/a/w/l is an idea in which a mod, a submariner, a war department and a penguin agreed on.

Would you be so kind as to post a link to this discussion?

OK, you've got a mod, a submariner, a war department and a penguin. How about the other 49 citizens, what do they think?

Originally posted by donsig


Would you be so kind as to post a link to this discussion?

OK, you've got a mod, a submariner, a war department and a penguin. How about the other 49 citizens, what do they think?

It isn't really his fault that noone else posted their opinions, though, is it? This has been an ongoing problem since term 1 of last game. Many people prefer just to vote...

Then, when you make a decision based on the discussion, the complaints start. That's life in Fanatika.

can i be chat rep for the science department?

stuck_as_a_mac, that switch you want, youve got it. my gratitude for sending my proposal to the war department. glad we could come to an agreement.

neutral leader is a good, responsible provincial governor

civ- sure. im not gonna be able to make every chat.

I'm still slightly confused.... Am I still science leader or what?

Strider, yes you are, SAAM loves authority a little bit too much I guess.

you are. im just the plotting, powe hungry deputy ready to leap at the elcetions term 2.
also- the starting techs r iron working/alphabet/writing/literature

Don't owrry SAAM, I'm every bit as power hungry as you are, I was quick to basically take over when Justus departed. Dear Punkbass didn't have to do anything except make decisions. I busy working, then woosh, did brilliantly in the next election for Culture, and as such, I'm still cultural leader. You just need to be the hard working deputy, convinve people you're better at the job then strider, and then you'll probably win. The whole thing reminded me of the King arthur story, you being little mordred, plotting to take the kingdom in arthurs abscence, arthur returns, and haply big war! But no, guess not.

Originally posted by eyrei


It isn't really his fault that noone else posted their opinions, though, is it? This has been an ongoing problem since term 1 of last game. Many people prefer just to vote...

Well, maybe if he had posted a link or given the thread a title that someone could understand (like, say, Citizen Discussion: Science queue), then maybe, just maybe, there'd be more posts in it.

Here is the link. (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=31238)

I have to create a new science thread I guess.... I'll do that in acouple of secs.... I'll post the link for everyone

I can't help but notice it's been an hour and a new thread isn't up...

BTW, Strider, what do you plan on naming your city?

Sorry Octavian.... I fainted....

BTW: I get to name a city?!

Originally posted by Stuck_As_a_Mac
This is the official thread of the FSD.

This is no longer the offcial thread.... The new one is here:

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&postid=472208#post472208