Welcome to the Domestic Department thread. Please use this thread wisely and ask anything regarding Domestic Affairs for this term.

Domestic Leader - chiefpaco
Domestic Deputy - Chieftess
Chat Representative - FionnMcCumhall

Fanatika is so very young and the Domestic Department wants your input on the shape of our future!

Please share your views on:
- New City Placement
- Wonder Building
- Science/Luxury/Tax Rates
- Departmental and Provincial Budgets
- Provincial Borders
- Build queues for out-of-province towns

These topics are open for discussion here and in the citizens forum.

I'd like to ask you what you want to name your city, for information I'm putting into a registry. Thanks.

I'll stick with Dog City. It was my response in the debates thread and I am one to follow through on my platform (at least so far ;) )

How about, Hundstadt?
It's more German. :)

I will run against you next time. Congrats on your position, though.

Originally posted by Zarn
I will run against you next time. Congrats on your position, though.

You are assuming I would run against you! Foolish I would be to do so.

I'm assembling some thoughts about Domestic issues and may use them for point of discussion here or another thread.

Budget
I think I may have to be a bit restrictive with the budet in the early going. There is a budet thread provided in the government forum here (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=29893) where requests can be made. However, without goals so far, it may be too difficult for me to assign funding to any department. I guess I will probably reserve our funds for trading (including tech trading), military upgrades, establishing embassies, and any pacts that we need. I am not one to hoard gold because I think that often opens us to lose more by threats and barbarians, if they should come.

Wonders
I wish we could build all the wonders. Unfortunately, on Emperor, I think we will have to carefully consider what, if any, wonders we wish to build. I want a very low risk of wasting shields and I want a high payoff for any wonder we make. Discussions on this shall follow when we have established a strong footing first.

City Density
It is important to carefully consider city placement and I have already started a thread on it in the citizens forum. I feel we shall have to build rather densely to form a strong home province. If the land is giving, 2 or 3 spaces between our cities at most would likely be my preference.

All of this is open for discussion, of course. This is by no means "how things shall be done".

Originally posted by chiefpaco


You are assuming I would run against you! Foolish I would be to do so.
You were going to run against me this time though. Are you being sarcastic?

We should start discussing the provincial plan which we want to use from the start. Pure geographic borders, but with which city-count? Will we enlarge provinces later and start with small ones, or will be start building them big from the beginning?

I'd be happy with city states for the first 3 cities then expand each of these as more cities are acquired. This will get us a workable senate quickly and is also a realistic way for the provincial governments to grow.

Sounds like a good thread for me to open, dis. Thanks.

i think we should go for the great ibrary lighthouse and pyramids
Great library-more techs
Lighthouse-early foothold on other places
Pyramids-free granarys

A thread about wonders is coming some day. I'd like to get solid footing in the game first. I'm not convinced we should be building wonders when we have fewer than 3 cities.

Right, I agree. We don't know if we're on a pangaea, or island. The Great Lighthouse can help, but if it's a continent or larger landmass, it's out of the question. Just the reverse for pyramids. We would need more than 7 cities for it to be effective, otherwise, it's a waste of granary shields. The Great Library might be good, but what if we're the only civ on the continent? (unlikely with 16 total civs, of course). :)

I think we should start off with City-States then progress to a larger province after we have several cities.

With wonders I think we should go for the Great Library first; then try for the Great Lighthouse, which is going to be difficult to get; and I think we have a good shot at the Hanging Gardens. :)

Please post any turn chat instructions (if applicable) in this thread (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=31180) for tonight's game.

This is a map of our resource locations (including shield bonus - and trade being luxury). I've included a border, which is our visible border, not our culture border.

http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads/Fanatika_map_4000BC.jpg

Assessment on where we are:

As Domestic Deputy, ;) I will try to guess at what type of world we're on. We are pretty far north, and I don't see tundra in our region, so this gives us a clue that our world may be warm. (less ice, more Jungle/forest/desert) Depending on the resources we find, that will give us a hint as to whether our world is arid, normal, or wet. My guess is normal or wet. The age looks to be somewhat rugged with the mountains and hills.

World Size: huge
Landmass: Atleast continents. We have met the Aztecs early on.
Climate: Warm
Temperature: Normal most likely.
Age: 3 billion? 4 billion?
Barbarians: No guess as of yet.

RL is going to soak up more time than I had planned when I ran for office. Since the Domestic Dept job is big, and since I hope to get more involvement, I hope to let Chieftess (Domestic Deputy) take ownership of the Provincial Borders area and encourage her great work to continue on Domestic Affairs assessing.

Thanks, CT

In addition, I have appointed FionnMcCumhall as Domestic chat rep. Approval poll is here:
Domestic Chat Rep Approval (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=31423)

World Size: huge
Landmass: medium to large continents (possibly 60-70% water). We have met the Aztecs early on. Culturally-linked-starts is also on, so this leaves me to believe that the Aztecs, Americans, and Iroquois are all to the south, or southwest, if not on close-by islands.
Climate: Warm
Temperature: Normal most likely.
Age: 3 billion? 4 billion?
Barbarians: No guess as of yet.

It is with my most deepest regrets that I must forward my resignation as Domestic Advisor for Term 1. I very much enjoyed helping shape the early beginnings of our great (well, 1 or 2 city) nation.

RL has crept up behind and grabbed me. Unfortunately, it didn't find me until after the elections were finished and I was already elected. I tried to give it a go but it's a bit much at the moment. I will definitely not be able to keep up to my leadership standards over the rest of this term. So I thank my colleagues for working together with me and the citizens who supported me. I'll still be around as much as I can and hopefully things will settle down so I can contribute more in the future.

Good luck,
cp

CP, I am sorry to hear you are resigning, though thoroughly understand. I hope you find the time to continue to contribute as you can.

Sorry to see you go, cp. You've made a definite good impression on the game.

chiefpaco's resignation rasies a few questions. Chieftess is the deuty of this department. If she choses not to quit the presidency for this position, a new domestic leader shall have to be appointed.

Oh, no, cp! It's the retirement home home for sure this time! You're probably just going back to see Nurse Rita. :) j/k

Well, bummer for us, good for you that R/L has become the dominant force in your day. We will miss your constant input and your Leadership. I hope you'll still attend an occasional turn chat.

I would think that Toasty would get the Deputy spot and then if Chieftess didn't want to give up the Presidency for the Domestic Dept. Leader, Toasty would become the new D/L.

Sorry to see you go, cp.

That's not how it works. 3rd place in the elections gets you absoulutly nothing. I do think that Toasty would make a good domestic leader.

Actually, I've been eyeing a council position (nudge, nudge, wink, wink)

I believe that an emergency election must take place?

Sorry you have to resign, CP. I hope you will at least have time to continue as a citizen.:(

Chieftess could use an informational one to make a choice, but no. According the CoL, when a leader vacates, and the deputy is unwilling to give up his/her current position in favor for the new one, the President appoints a new leader, who then needs to be approved by a majority of the council.

Sorry to se you go Chiefpaco, hmmmm...who would you like to see as Domestic Advisor? (just wanting to see the apple of discord roll a bit longer, hehehehe)

Ehecatl Atzin

Sorry to see you go CP!

I was thinking Fionn.. But, I'll think about it.

Anyway, back to the domestic front. Our landmass seems to be growing, judging from the amount of time it took the Japanese to reach us (about twice as long as the Aztecs). If we are on a coninent, I'm starting to think that it's rather empty, with a few nations on our continent. So far, contact has been made from the SSW, and the W. Due to culturally linked starting locations, it seems as though we are on the edge of a cultural area. That is, the Japanese might have China and India, the Aztecs might have America and Iroquois. We almost border these nations. If we are on a panagaea, then the other nations (England, Rome, France etc. - we're starting with 15 other nations) must be somewhere to the east. It's still possible that they could be stuck on another island just off the coast. (I've seen that happen in a game I played).

The sparsness of nations is both positive and negative. While our contacts might be rare, we have a great source of land (food and resources) surrounding us. We should have no problem expanding.

Now that CP resigned, who is domestic leader?

Please vote in the Council Vote for Domestic Leader (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=31915).

(I actually wonder who's going to vote from here. :))

You should be able to vote, CT. You're the deputy so you are acting leader during CP's absence. I think resigning can definitely be considered being absent. ;)

Would Fionn care to post a description of where he stands on the issue of whether Fanatika should adopt a policy of military aggression? I would find it very helpful in deciding how to vote :)

Originally posted by Shaitan
You should be able to vote, CT. You're the deputy so you are acting leader during CP's absence. I think resigning can definitely be considered being absent. ;)

hehe..
ohh, the power! I feel it coursing through my viens! muwahahahah!
j/k! :)

Ok, I'll vote, but it does feel odd being president and deputy. (Didn't Eyrei have to do that?) :D

Yes, he had to do it, but the other way around. He was Domestic Leader and VP when Grey Fox resigned the presidency.

A note about voting in the Council Vote - as our rules prohibit a single person voting twice on the same measure, you will not be able to cast the tie-breaking vote if it comes down to that.

Originally posted by Chieftess
hehe..
ohh, the power! I feel it coursing through my viens! muwahahahah!
Someone's played waaaay too many squaresoft RPGs, I suspect... ;) :p

:p

sorry to see you go cp hopefully you can come back soon

Has anyone actually heard from Domestic Leader-appointed Fionn? It's not very prudent to appoint an inactive citizen....

Umm, just look at the time. 1:10AM. :)
People do have to sleep. Just give him some time.

yes sleep, must have sleep :D
but im back and awake:)

tut tut tut you mean your not here constantly ;)

New Domestic Department Thread (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=31346).