While doing my normal browsing of the internet, I found out about a Civ3 Demogame at http://civ3.1bigcommunity.com. They appear to still be forming themselves, only about to start playing. However, it's their first game, so they are also in the process of forming their government from scratch (Shaitan: wanna help w/ their constituion?:D). They haven't even named themselves yet.

Do we contact them and show them our advanced ways?

As a note, you need to join their forums to view the threads.

Wow, they are backward. I think having no political parties puts us a LONG WAY ahead of other demo-games, they all dengrate into in-fighting and mud-slinging. Poly had 2 parties and that was bad, these guys have half a dozen!!

And good lord, they need a constituion fast!!

Who are you calling backward :mad:

Just kidding - greetings from the Community! As I have explained to that fearless pioneer Almightyjosh, you have found us in a most unfortunate state of severe internal crisis. While the strife between our parties is considered healthy for the political environment, and many of the smaller parties are bound to either merge into larger ones, or disband altogether, our current problems with the Executive Team are much worse. Also, as you have pointed out, we are currently without a solid constitution, instead using an old and outdated test draft.

As soon as we get in better shape I would like to exchange ambassadors, although this must of course be left up to the Assembly and the Department of State. Perhaps we could even set up something of a joint platform to include ambassadors from Poly?

Until then - if you have any questions, feel free to either ask me in this thread (though I'm not on CFC very often, I can manage to keep an eye on one thread :)) or login to 1BC and ask around there.

Regards,

--MM

*slowly retracts foot from mouth and wipes saliva off knee*
Well, maybe backward was a little unfair, after all we we're so once, but you do seem to have a gob full of internal strife!!

Hey, do you think you could give us spice, a territory map and 50g for contact with the Apolonians?

btw,
fearless pioneer, I like that :)
makes me sound rugged. I'm going to wear a raccon skin hat now (my store sells them!)

Another demogame! Wow, we need another embassy! ;)

Now there's:

CFC
'Poly
GameCatcher
1BigCommunity (1BC)

Hmm, I'll use this as sort of an embassy. ;)

1BC, I can't seem to log on to your board. I get this error message:

Microsoft OLE DB Provider for SQL Server error '80040e14'

Line 1: Incorrect syntax near '§'.

/lib_db_functions.asp, line 126

I've reported it to our grand poobah, he should be looking into it any time now. If you want, I can set up an account for you, and you can just change the password once you're logged in.

Sure, thanks. You can pm me.

Originally posted by Almightyjosh
*slowly retracts foot from mouth and wipes saliva off knee*
Well, maybe backward was a little unfair, after all we we're so once, but you do seem to have a gob full of internal strife!!

Hey, do you think you could give us spice, a territory map and 50g for contact with the Apolonians?

AJ - did you catch foot and mouth disease then? :lol: :crazyeye:

How about an account for anybody wanting to contact them from civfanatics?
Username: civfanatics
Password: ambassador

Note - It is just a suggestion, I haven't set it up.

Personally I'd prefer if people simply create an account, this would make it much easier to identify separate posters. Be sure to configure your email preferences when you set up an account: You can switch email tracking of a thread you're posting in on and off when you post a reply, the check box will default to your last used setting.

Chieftess: I've created your account. I'm experiencing some computer trouble and couldn't email you.

Try using the PM system. Go to one of Chieftess' posts, click pm, and you should be able to send her a private message.

Duh is me... I used PM before, I could have figured to use it again, hehe.

I should have your avatar - D'OH! :)

MM - another PM sent. ...

Ah, I get it now, thanks :)

To all Fanatikans: I have just presented what I hope to be the final draft of the constitution (now version 0.41) in the DG - Supreme Court section of our boards. Feel free to have a look around and give some input - in particular, I would love to share thoughts and comments with whoever wrote your constitution.

Talk to Shaitan, our beloved mod, and 'father of the Constituion.'

I would also second building an embassy there. But not the "one user for all" idea.

I think it should be one of our mandates to try to bring all demogames together in a big community with a network of embassies and good relations.

This would also open up great opportunities for future multiplayer games.

I would advocate hosting this joint embassy on the 1BC boards - our setup includes many different boards and a separate Embassy board could easily be created to prevent Embassy talk from interfering with the other boards. That board could be set up as "open for all" so foreigners don't need to apply for 1BC citizenship to visit the Embassy.

I have started a brainstorming session on the details of sending out ambassadors in our Department of State board, and would encourage you to do something similar. As said before, we need to work out our internal problems before we can commit to this officially, and from then on it will be in the hands of the Minister of State. You may want to start a discussion on this subject with Apolytonia?

I think the discussion should come and as such be started by 1bc as a sign of good will. I think the idea of having a joind embassy of apolytonia and fanatika will be good though. but maybe 2 embassies would do a better job:
if we had a embassy board for all(!) embassies, then apo and we could open our own embassies there.
we are always open for discussion coming from 1bc to our nation, and 1bc will be free to open an embassy here. maybe it will be moved to a appropriate forum, but it will be allowed and indexed like the others.

And i found another demogame:
http://www.civ2-forum.gamigo.de/forumdisplay.php?forumid=36

it is a german speaking game. any volunteers for the embassy? maybe a native english speaking person who actually speaks relatively good german would be best (to make the image of a foreigner work)?

Where is this "GameCatcher" DG?

No! No contact! Let us see if their country will collapse, then we will conquer the ruins!

No seriously, let's see if they can evolve into a non-party system like we have...

Hi there fellow civers,

Like MM, I'm a member of the 1BC board and I'm wondering if any one from Fanatika is interested to set up a DG between several sites when PTW is released. Maybe we can set up a huge multiplayer intersite civ game. Of course this needs some organization between different sites. Any one interested??

And yes, over here at 1BC we still have loads of work to do before we will have a playable DG, but don't worry:we'll get there.

Bolan

bolan: as the ambassador in apolytonia, i am happy to welcome you foreign people in our nation.
we here in fanatika and our ancestors in phoenatica have a long history in establishing bilateral communications between the sites. we have had an embassy with apolytonia for a long time, and now try to expand our diplomatic relations to other sites.

I believe we do not use this only as a sign of good relations, but also to level grounds for a future ptw-demogame. We know some site-operators have major concers about this, and the original idea is to try to show them it could work in a peaceful way ;-)

And the other idea behind it was of course to exchange ideas on how to run demogames ;-)

Thanks for the warm welcome. I hope the cfc forum and the 1BC board will have a long, fruitful and friendly relationship. Feel free to visit the 1BC site at any time.

Bolan

MM - any thoughts on getting rid of your political parties. I know that people in our first demo game to enclude them hated them - I tried to reinstate them and all but the odd one or two told me what they had been like (they are a good theory but in practicise suck).

No plans yet, but if they seriously obstuct the game, we may amend the constitution and forbid them (I wonder if the people will let me though).

Different note: I'm changing the access requirements to the boards so "tourists" can read them too. This allows outsiders to take a look withtout registering for citizenship. Posting in any board other than the Open Forum will require citizenship though.

Perfect! Thanks monkey!

It has been done. Note that several official boards are still locked out due to security reasons (ie. to prevent outsiders from voting in Community polls, and to maintain limited access on certein boards) but you will be able to read in on most civilian boards, as well as the open forum, and the department boards as a tourist.

Enjoy! Let me know if anything doesn't work right.

I tested and it works, thanks! I believe we will try to setup an embassy as your nation. Where would our embassy thread be best fit into the concept of your forum?

1big has an interesting point in the constitution:

3.3 If, while the President is carrying out the plans approved by the Assembly, he encounters any event or contingency not provided for in these plans, he must immediately save the game, provide an Executive Report, and discontinue play until the Assembly has accepted a plan on how to deal with the event or contingency.


I wish we would have that in ours ;-) Someone volunteering for putting it up to an ammendment?


And also, they have a nice job for the vice:

4.2 The Vice President must report to the Assembly on any developments taking place in the boards under the DGame tab that carry relevance to public opinion and support for the Assembly's actions.


I think this is good. It gives him work and he can get public recognition for the next election!


Nevertheless, i would like to ask the foreigners of the 1big nation why they impeached their "executive team"? i saw the outcome of the poll was yes, but i saw no reason stated ;-) Im just curious.

The reason was that our exteam failed to do its job. Our ex-President has been out of the loop for several weeks now, for personal reasons, and our ex-VP, in spite of repeated requests, has failed to play the game and post an exrep (executive report) to make it official. We have now impeached both of them, and are running new emergency campaigns.

To get the game started, our MoD has launched a very creative initiative: To declare war on the little barbarian village nearby. This means the MoD gets direct, hands-on control of troop movement: The MoI the surrenders control of the settler and worker to him, so our MoD can play the first few turns. The Supreme Court has already stated it will sanction a few specific breaches of the constitution in this case, see our Assembly board for more.


The 3.3 is actually one of my favorites too :) You will notice that our DG doesn't use turnchats, this decisision was based on some major problems in the Poly DG. also, our Assembly is quite small, only 6 seats, including 4 departments. This means that a) we don't need a whole lot of candidates, and reduce the chances of getting deadbeats in the Assembly, and b) that each Assembly member has a fairly broad and interesting area of responsibility.

I would, for instance, hate to be minister of culture. What does he do? Push for the construction of cultural imrpovements? Leave that up to the MoI.

ahhh, democracy at work

I think this is quiete inventive to solve it that way! Cudos to your democracy and especially to your MoD!

Another question:
How could we arrange founding an embassy at your nation? (i propose AJ as ambassador btw).
Is it possible to have 1 thread open for non-citizens to post to? Or do you have a special "subforum" where non-citizens (but members of the community) can post to?
I would prefer the later, as when discussions on special topics rise up in the embassy we could spawn to other threads instead of cluttering the embassy-thread ;-)

We can easily set up an open-for-all forum in the 1BC DG section which can be used as an embassy - or, if you prefer, sort of a UN forum including Poly and any other DG's we may come across (again I ask - where can I find GameCather DG?). It's also easy enough to sign up as a 1BC member, but not a citizen - I could then arrange for a special medal, title or avatar to distinguish various ambassadors or delegates.

This would be great!
I would prefer having the UN-Forum idea... 1BC could be acting like switzerland as neutral ground ;-)
A forum for inter-site communication... not bad idea i must say, mr.monkey!

I think signing up for the community itself should be mandatory for all to post there. Just to make sure we get to know them. Signing up as citizen i think does not make sense, as this will falsify your citzen counts and maybe even polls etc.
Having an avatar for every nation which officially built an embassy in the open forum would be nice.

It seems you guys really start to like the idea as much as we do :-)

monkey:
gamecatcher forum (i believe this is what you mean by gc-demogame):
http://www.civgaming.net/gamecatcher/index.php
but its a civ2-demogame i believe?

Ah, thanks. They can join the UN when their game catches up (drum roll to por pun).

i asked the apolytonians if they want to buy communications to the other nations from us :-P
i wonder how they will react.

propably they will spy on us and get it anyways.

I'm proud to announce we have actually made our first moves. So we're up and running after a serious crisis. I've also noticed CFC members visiting our forums: welcome, may our settlers meet in peace.

Bolan

Greetings, I am Scorpius A Perenius, Minister of Finance and Science for The Community and visitor to your land. Soon I will be taking time to look around your DG to study and learn from its inner workings and experience. I apreciate all the effort in making contact from the people of Fanatika and welcome any communication and sharing of ideas between our peoples.

Greetings. I have done some searching and I'd first like to say I think you'v done a very good job. Since we do not have an official meeting place yet I hope you don't mind if I ask questions here.

1. How many cities will govenors rule over?

2. Do mayors have any powers in the DG, or is it for the RPG game only?

3. Is there a place where you keep an organized record of everything thats happened? Like a timeline or a clerks office? I found your budget but there wasn much there. I was looking for financial and scientific records.

As Fanatika's Chief Justice, and an expert on Fanatikan law, I'd be happy to answer your questions.

1. Each governor is in charge of a single province. A province may contain any number of cities.

2. Mayors play a more ceremonial role in government. These are not official positions. They do serve in reporting to the governor on the will of the people, and occasionally propose build queues, which the governor may or may not reject.

3. We did have a historical statistics office, but I'm not sure what's become of it.

If you need help with your government, I'd be glad to help in The Community.

Until an embassy is set up between us I invite you or any other Fanatikans to come visit The Community. If you have any questions and am not sure where to get answers you are always welcome in my office.

Originally posted by ScorpiusAP

1. How many cities will govenors rule over?

2. Do mayors have any powers in the DG, or is it for the RPG game only?



As the Nation's best (OK, only) Governor, I welcome you and your inqusitive countrymen!

As X said, Govs rule a province with any number of cities. Usually a province is only established once there are three cities available and will not grow above 12 (though there are exceptions).

Mayors have a ceremonial role currently, but I am in the process of writing provincial law to give them more influence and power (delegation of my own powers). They are also responsible for the protection and promotion of their city in the community. Currently we have only one city, Bavaria, to which a Mayor has recently been appointed (disorganiser).

As the one-and-only mayor at the moment, i must say mayors play a bigger role than many think:
They add a flavor to the game, giving people the possibility to identify and "feel" the game.

That is indeed important. I'm very charmed with the system of Governors, Provinces and a Senate. We may adopt such a system when our civ grows largerthan our Minister of Interior can handle. Are governors/senators elected or are they appointed?

Originally posted by maniacalmonkey
That is indeed important. I'm very charmed with the system of Governors, Provinces and a Senate. We may adopt such a system when our civ grows largerthan our Minister of Interior can handle. Are governors/senators elected or are they appointed?

We are elected by the citizenry. Mayors are appointed (as I did dis), but a Governor may hold an opinion poll if they want. I'm glad you like the senate, it's all mine at the moment. I'm also trying to establsih a provincial council to act as a local government (like the senate but made up of Mayors).

monkey, I am a citizen of the 1BC demogame and have joined a party and everything, why can't I acess polls? I can't enter the poll sub-forum.

Also, do threads not go to the top when people post in them? It seems that threads are ordered by when they were established not when they were last used!

AJ: Sorry for the late reply, been busy :) You can sort threads by start, latest post, or topic (alphabetically) in the blue bar above the title listing.

Originally posted by maniacalmonkey
AJ: Sorry for the late reply, been busy :) You can sort threads by start, latest post, or topic (alphabetically) in the blue bar above the title listing.

You beauty, thanks that makes my 1BC life so much easier. Im getting better at naving and can get to polls now :)