I humbly announce the publication of Die Fanatischen Zeiten, a scholarly periodical for the masses.

Die Fanatischen Zeiten will be issued between turn chats and will be an easy way for citizens to stay on top of the important issues of the day. Want to know what happened at the last turn chat? Want to know what our leaders are thinking? Want to know some of the cold, hard facts about Fanatika? Then Die Fanatischen Zeiten is for you!

Die Fanatischen Zeiten will only be available via private message. The single issue cover price is 30 gold. Subscriptions are available at the rate of 125g for 8 issues. If you would like to purchase a single issue or subscribe please post in this thread so the book keeping will be easier.

Subscribers and purchasers of Die Fanatischen Zeiten agree not to copy, forward or otherwise distribute Die Fanatischen Zeiten.

DFZ is now puslished right here in this thread and is available to the publis free of charge thanks to the RPG governement.


Here are the shareholders of record:

DFZ BCLG100 3
Chieftess 2
Donovan Zoi 3
donsig 40
gonzo_for_civ 2
gunning1 11
jdd2007 5
Leningrado 8
Octavian X 1
Padma 3
Shaicorp 13
Shaitan 6
Strider 3


Total 100 shares.

If any of you sell any shares please let me know so the new share holders can properly receive their dividends. :)

Is this a publication in German for the German Ethnic group, or is yet another citizen labouring under the mis-conception tha t we are Germany?

Originally posted by Almightyjosh
Is this a publication in German for the German Ethnic group, or is yet another citizen labouring under the mis-conception tha t we are Germany?

This publication is for everyone - but it will be written in English. :)

Die Fanatischen Zeiten
September 1, 2002
Volume 0, Issue 0 (free)

Welcome to the initial, free sample, issue of Die Fanatischen Zeiten! The creation of our world is scheduled for today, Sunday, September 1, 2002 at 8:30 pm eastern US time. The turn chat schedule is here. (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=31093)

Our new Minster of War, Jimmy Stewart, I mean Eklektikos, has proposed an early aggressive expansion strategy. (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=31100) Basically it calls for the creation of a force of 5 or 6 veteran archers. This force would then be escorted by a spearman and would ensure some early Liebensraum for Fanatika. An important aspect of the plan is that only one settler would be raised in the capital before the creation of the archer strike force.

The Fatican Science Department (FSD) (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=31091[/url) has opened. The FSD has proposed opening with alphabet/writing/literature though the Minister of War has countered with a proposal for a the wheel/horseback riding and/or a quick route to iron working.

Article I of the constitution has finally passed the Senate vote thanks to our Senate (Almightyjosh). We now have a census and an active census. Shaitan has also posted the figures from the recent elections so these census figures can be easily checked by all citizens. The senate vote is here. (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=31087) The election returns are here. (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?postid=462756#post462756) The presidential race garnered the most votes (53) and future changes to the constitution will require 27 yes votes. I counted 447 votes in the 11 elections listed giving an active census of 41. Note that these figures are not official.

Hehe... Liebensraum=Room for Love? Please cut out the "i" ;-)

Fatican? Are we religious? ;-)

Originally posted by disorganizer
Hehe... Liebensraum=Room for Love? Please cut out the "i" ;-)

Fatican? Are we religious? ;-)

The latter is a typo and the former is just my poor German. I actually like Room for Love though. :)

Yeah... was quiete funny to read, but i also liked it ;-)
Leave it as it is ;-)
Thats our first Fanatikan word for our dictionary:

Liebensraum
Room for further expansion. Normaly taken by love or war. Or both. Compare to "Lebensraum" in german.

Is it possible for a non-player of the RPG to get this publication? I looks very good...

Originally posted by Octavian X
Is it possible for a non-player of the RPG to get this publication? I looks very good...

Isn't everyone in the RPG? You get 1000 gold to start and an income as the game continues. If all you want to do is spend it on this publication there's nothing wrong with that. (Though I may raise the price since you could afford it. ;) )

BTW - I pmed the latest complimentary issue out. If you like it please subscribe!

Ok, I will be your first subscriber!

I will subscribe as well. Very useful summary of the happenings in this game.:goodjob:

I guess i'll subscribe.

im in, and its 100 gold. that was a strider made issue. Its instead of pension. also, last nites tc duznt give u ne $$ cause we hav no cities. and you earn around anywhere from 10 to 20odd gold per turn chat.

I'll subscribe. 10 issues, on tenth I may or may not renew.

I subscribe for a minimum of 5 an then until further notice...


Did you notice someone choosing turnbased payment cant afford your paper if only 1 turn per chat is played ;-)
Maybe you should go down to 10 per chat and get additional 10 for a weekly summary ;-)

I'll subscribe to this fine publication, and would be happy to contribute content if so desired.

Bill
Judge Advocate of Fanatika

umm.. your price is way to high. make it, like 1 g per issue. also, u need 2 keep books for this. (see bank regarding price)

im suscribing, but i would like to suggest lower prices.
i can buy an old wreck with all the suscrbing money!

An excellent publication, Donsig. I've enjoyed both free issues.

If I start off with 100g and make 10g per chat, your subscription rate is way too high for me too subscribe. But as you've just made 700g on your first 7 subscriptions, I think you can lower your price now. I'm with the penguin, if it's dropped to 1g per issue, I'll subscribe. Keep up the good work!

I will subscribe for 5 issues, even though I may need them to wallpaper my house at those prices. Are we trying to role-play Germany's hyperinflation from the interwar years?? Anyway, since I don't have to pay any other bills yet, I will subscribe!!

No, really. I don't play the rpg since I haven't the time. May I still get a copy, even if its a used one?

20 gold!?!? Man, I'm broke, since I invest all my dough in my soon to be up and running bizznizz...

i´ll suscribe!

Chalk me up as a subscriber, also. I haven't got the time to really get into the RPG, so I should have some gold to burn.

(Can one burn gold? I suppose, if the temperature is sufficient, but I don't believe we'll have that kind of tech for a while, yet. :D )

Any chance of a free subscription in recognition of my enthusiastic (if unsuccessful) defence at your latest PI? :D

Sign me up.

Note - in the free copy that you PMed me (I take it that you sent it to a lot of people) said that I would start with 1,000 gold is this a mistake or am I just special?

Every1 starts with 1000 gold and gets 100 per turn chat. So all citizens can receive the paper even if they dont actively play or earn money ;-)

yes. i no. the new rpg site will reflect this change

We now get 100gpt each?:eek: Last I heard it was 10. That's a lot.:eek:

yea, i no. not my idea. its made me x everything by 10. i sugest the small businesses do the same to stay in business.

Originally posted by Cyc
An excellent publication, Donsig. I've enjoyed both free issues.

If I start off with 100g and make 10g per chat, your subscription rate is way too high for me too subscribe. But as you've just made 700g on your first 7 subscriptions, I think you can lower your price now. I'm with the penguin, if it's dropped to 1g per issue, I'll subscribe. Keep up the good work!

The single issue price is 30 gold, subscriptions are at the rate of 20 gold per issue with a minimum of 5 issues paid in advance.

Since we are starting with 1000 gold and getting 100 gold every turn chat for doing nothing I think my prices are appropriate. If I were to lower my price to 1 gold I'd have to take on advertisers and who wants that? ;)

Oops, double post. See below please.

I'll sign up for a subscription. I have no idea the money I have, but since this is the only subscription I have, I hope my pay covers it. If not, I just don't make enough to keep working... ;)

I would like to subscribe.

Originally posted by Octavian X
No, really. I don't play the rpg since I haven't the time. May I still get a copy, even if its a used one?

You don't have to play the RPG to spend your money. I'll put you down as a subscriber.

The first issue is available to non-subscribers at a cost of 30 gold. :)

Originally posted by donsig
The first issue is available to non-subscribers at a cost of 30 gold. :)

This issue contains an examination of the build queue posted for Bavaria. Must reading for anyone interested in the military department's early aggressive expansion proposal. Get your copy today or better yet subscribe for at least five issues and pay only 20 gold per issue! (Payment required in advance. :) )

Ach, I give in. Sign me up for an indefinite subscription. :D

Originally posted by donsig


You don't have to play the RPG to spend your money. I'll put you down as a subscriber.

now how do we handle that?
i would say: no-rpg-ers can get any service thing they request, and they are treated by the business as if they would pay (transaction will be posted in the bank-account).
the bank knows who participates, and as such will not reduce their account (well, in fact there wont be any accounts for non-rpg-ers), but the rpg-player delivering the service will get payed anyways!
(if we just deliver the service without receiving money, this would be bad... so we will receive it out of the nowhere).

the bank can also see if a non-rpg-er receive many services without paying and then try to get him to play the rpg ;-)

I don't know dis - how do we find out the answers to these questions?

Subscriptions have been posted to the Fanatikan Revenue Association. (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?postid=470122#post470122)

i dont know the answers...

I'd like to subscribe as well.

sign me up please! life-time subscription.

neutral leader is a good, responsible provincial governor

AlmightyJosh's and neutral leader's subscriptions have been posted to the Fanatikan Revenue Association. (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?postid=476195#post476195)

Issue #2 has been mailed out to subscribers. Single copies now available for 30 gold each.

I cancel my subscription to the next possible issue. Which would that be?
Im sorry, but i have to save money for the city and my home province.

Please sign me up for 5 issues. If possible I'd like this to start with issue #2.

I would like to stop my subscription after the 5th one. Where I would have bought 5 total.

Originally posted by Shaitan
Please sign me up for 5 issues. If possible I'd like this to start with issue #2.

Just sent out #2 to you. #3 should be out to everyone in a few hours. :)

im stopping at five. then im working on my house.

Same with me Stuck. Exactally.

Shaitan's subscription has been posted to the Fanatikan Revenue Association. (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?postid=481439#post481439)

I have noted those of you who have decided not to renew. Also disorganizer decided not to cancell his current subscription in a pm to me.

I just wanted to say that I'm subscribing till further notice...

Originally posted by Grey Fox
I just wanted to say that I'm subscribing till further notice...

Same here.

Issue #3 has been sent! :)

I'd like to sign up, but I'm not sure what's my income.

@William528 - You start with 1,000g and make a minimum of 100g per turn chat.

I would like to subscribe, thanks!

Issue #4 has been sent. Due to the forums being down for 2 days I was unable to get this issue out in a timely fashion. Therefore it is a free issue! :)

The subscriptions for William528 and Danke have been posted. (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?postid=488764#post488764)

Thanks!

Issue number five has been sent.

Single copies available to non-subscribers at 30 gold per copy.

i will buy a subscription for 100 gold

you take care of the transaction.

Leningrado wrote on Sep 17, 2002 05:10 PM:
Thanks for the news, i would like to subscribe


I'm putting Leningrado and jdd2007 down for 4 issues at the special price (see post below). If either of you want to buy an extended subscription during the spending spree please make a post in thread thread stating how much you wish to spend. :)

I am pleased to announce a reduction in subscription rates for Die Fanatischen Zeiten:

4 issues for 62 gold
8 issues for 125 gold
12 issues for 187 gold
16 issues for 250 gold
20 issues for 312 gold
24 issues for 375 gold

This represents a savings of over 20% off the regular subscription rate. Lock in an extended subscription during this weekend's Spending Spree!

I have applied to make DFZ a public company. If approved, there will be 100 shares and I will put about 40 of them up for sale through the BSE with Fanatrade as the broker. I have not decided how much to sell each share for but will issue a prospectus before the stock goes up for sale.

This is a great time to invest in this company as many subscriptions are up for renewal and the special listed about may well generate some new subscriptions as well. I intend to get the stock up for sale in time for the new shareholders to get in on this revenue influx.

Stay tuned and hold on to some cash for investment.

Will an extended subscription tack on to the end of an existing one?

Originally posted by Shaitan
Will an extended subscription tack on to the end of an existing one?

Yes it will. Using the standard 8 turn chats per term that 24 issue special gets you around 3 terms of DFZ!

Most of the original subscriptions will expire after issue #6 is released tonight! :eek:

Our upgrade to a public business has been approved. (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?postid=493367#post493367)

I have paid the start up costs. (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?postid=493439#post493439)

I am issuing 100 shares. Since I paid the complete start-up costs, all the shares are mine. I plan to sell about 40 of the shares through Fanatrade (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=31673) on the Bavarian Stock Exchange. (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=32093)

I hope to have a prospectus up later tonight. :)

So what will the cost on the shares be based on?

The value of the company?
The income?

or what?

And will you be giving dividends?

Die Fanatischen Zeiten is now a public company. There are 100 shares so each share represents 1% ownership of the company. The par value of the shares is 100 gold per share.

All after tax revenue will be divided equally among the shares. Shareholders will be paid when the DFZ transactions are posted to the revenue thread.

DFZ currently has 21 subscribers and has had after tax revenues of 1760 gold through six turn chats or 293 gold per chat. This equates to 2.93 gold per share per chat. There is no guarantee that earnings will remain at this level. Actual future earnings may be lower or higher.

At the current special Spending Spree rates, each issue subscribed for represents 0.125 gold per share. After tax earnings will equal the par value of the stock when 800 issues are subscribed.
With only 25 subscribers par value is reached in 32 turn chats (4 terms @ 8 chats/term.)
With 34 subscribers par vaule is reached in 24 chats (3 terms).
With 50 subscribers par value is reached in 16 chats (2 terms).

Once par value is reached the initial investment is recouped. Any income beyond that represents pure profit.

I plan to offer (through Fanatrade (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=31673) and the BSE (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=32093), 45 shares to the public at par. Anyone interested in purchasing shares should inquire at Fanatrade.

Put me down for 24 issues at this new price!

Also, I am looking at purchasing stock in he DFZ...

It is a double issue as I had quite a bit I wanted to write about. Even though it is a double issue it only counts as one issue against subscriptions. I will do these doouble issues from time to time as the need arises.

With this issue most of the original subscriptions have expired. The following list shows who still has active subscriptions:

Shaitan: through #7 (one more issue)
Danke: through #9
jdd2007: through #9 *
leningrado: through #9 *
William528: through #9
Octavian X: through #30 *

* These transactions not posted to the revenue thread yet.

Thank you for your renewal Octavian X!

Eklektikos, eyrei, Grey Fox and neutral leader you have all expressed interest in continued subscriptions. I will assume you all want to take advantge of the 24 issue rate. The spending spree is almost upon us and you can lock in these 24 issues for a mere half of your Spree funds. Please post your long term renewals and I won't have to bother you with this again for a while! :)

I also encourage all others, be they new subscribers or old, to lock in these new rates.

You might want to consider investing in some shares while you're at it - looks like a third of them have been snapped up already!

I'll increase my subscription 24 issues for 375g

Charge me however you feel appropriate, Donsig. Just keep 'em coming :goodjob:

I will renew my subscription for 24 issues at 375g. :D

I'll renew my subscription for 25 issues at 375 gold please.

Time is running out - renew your subscription today!

I am very interested in buying ad space in your Magazine for future campainging, do you do that, and how much would that run me?

Go vote for me Now, links on my signature

The Great Iguanaman

Sorry, my journal does not accept advertising.

Try Danke's
Boondoggle & Pork, Lobbyists. (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?postid=482618#post482618)

oh thats too bad, theres a big market for it.

The Great Iguanaman

Put me for 20 subscriptions, with the 4 i originally owned, 24

I will renew for 24 issues for 375 gold.

Can I buy a lifetime subscription?. Take care of the transaction

well, since my its here could buy me realsestae, ill take 24 issues for 375g

24 of em please Don. How about giving me a mention for hurting my right hand skiing - I'm sure that the Aztec's had something to do with it.

I will also renew for the 24 issue rate. Thank you.

i will renew 24 issues. do i get 10% off for being a big shareholder?

please renew me for 8 more issues, thanks

Please renew me for 8 more issues

I must post my new transactions in about an hour or so. If you want to be in on DFZ's first dividend dispersal then you must purchase some shares now! There are still 22 shares left to buy. Only 100 gold per share. If you want to buy some shares go to Fanatrade (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=32601)

Never mind, I would like to keep my subscription.:king:

your share prices can be located at:
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=32102

Never even seen this newspaper.... Sign me up!!!

Why not? I'll subscribe. ;) And I'll get the back orders, too. (old issues) 100 gold per chat (is that right?) probably ads up by now. Besides, I'll probably take it easy in the RPG, and be the one saying "Well, back in my day...". ;)

Originally posted by Chieftess
Why not? I'll subscribe. ;) And I'll get the back orders, too. (old issues) 100 gold per chat (is that right?) probably ads up by now. Besides, I'll probably take it easy in the RPG, and be the one saying "Well, back in my day...". ;)

Actually, for 62 gold you'll get 4 issues which will cover 4 turn chats.

I'm glad you asked about the old issues. I've been archiving them and plan to bundle them together at the end of the term and sell the package at special low price!

Here they are! (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=30603&pagenumber=4)

Issue #7 has been sent out! Enjoy. :)

can i have the 62 gold thing

Subcriptions for BCLG100, disorganizer and Ehecatl Atzin are posted here. (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?postid=503541#post503541)

Thank you all for your patronage. :)

I posted the share sales here (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?postid=503509#post503509)

DFZ's first dividend (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?postid=503515#post503515) has been paid!

The share transactions (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=32096) were also listed on the BSE.

donsig: i ordered 8 shares at 100 each (i hope). did i place the order in the right place?

Originally posted by disorganizer
donsig: i ordered 8 shares at 100 each (i hope). did i place the order in the right place?

My broker has not been on the job lately. I see your buy order in Fanatrade. I will post the transaction on the BSE and in the revenue thread tomorrow night. I will also include the recent dividends which come to 48.50 gold per share.

After disorganizer buys 8 shares there are still 15 shares left @ 100 gold / share. If anyone else wishes to buy any of these shares by Thusday, 9/26/02 at 11:59 pm (GMT) I will include the dividends. Your net cost will be 51.50 gold / share! This is your last chance to get these dividends!:eek:

If you wish to buy please post in Fanatrade (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=31673)

I'd love to buy them donsig, but my 4 day fest has strapped me for funds. If you loan me 1,500 I'll take all of 'em.

Hmmm. So i payed only 51,5 per share? so i payed 800 and got 388 gold back?
in that case, i will buy another 12 shares as of effectively 51,5 each :-)

and i will then total 20 shares... am i right?

(the total money i want to spend are about 1000gold including the 8 shares i already have. i dont want to go over that as this is bringing my account to almost 0).

I renew at 24 issues.

Can I just auto renew?

I hope to renew for the maximum subscriptions possible.

More share transactions have been posted. (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?postid=504928#post504928)

Here are the shareholders of record:

donsig: 39 shares
disorganizer: 20 shares
VHS: 15 shares
Leningrado: 8 shares
jdd2007; 8 shares
Octavian X: 7 shares
BCLG100: 3 shares

Total 100 shares.

If any of you sell any shares please let me know so the new share holders can properly recieve their dividends. :)

Transactions posted. (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?postid=504966#post504966)

I have posted the subscriptions for Bill_in_PDX and chiefpaco. Taxes and a 6 gold / share dividend paid. :)

Sup ma homies. I would like to buy an issue, provided that its' in english

*Legal disclaimer

Diablo was just hired. The views and opions of him do not reflect on the Dealership. If he insults this, or any, fine establishment again, he will be fired. Sorry about that.

The Great Iguanaman

I'm just buying an issue iguanaman. If your refering to the english part, then i'm sorry but that is the only language I read

clever, for the record, he had something else up there, hence the little edited thing.

The Great Iguanaman

wtv, if your not buying any subscriptions, please stop wasting his thread-space. Donsig, i'll buy 1 issue for now, and if i like it ill buy some more subscriptions

could you post a list of subscribers in the 1st post and up to which issue they payed? and also which issue is out now?

like:
issue out: #7

...
disorganizer payed up to #12
...

ordered by issue up to ascending, you can easily tell when the next subscription runs out.

I have shares of the DFZ to give away:
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?postid=505944#post505944

Issue #8 has just been sent out.

I will try to post the subscribers list in the first post later tonight.

I know we're not supposed to redistribute content but the proposal in this issue is worth risking a BI. If you don't let that out to the masses I will sue you for emotional distress. :p

Originally posted by Shaitan
I know we're not supposed to redistribute content but the proposal in this issue is worth risking a BI. If you don't let that out to the masses I will sue you for emotional distress. :p

in an effort to save my fortune from the lawyer I have reprinted a portion of DFZ #8 here. (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?postid=507061#post507061)

donsig:
please book 3 of my 20 shares to strider. i sold them for 200 gold each $-)

i still would like to have a list of when whos subscription runs out. i do not know which customers we have

anyone selling shares. I wanna buy some.

The Great Iguanaman

Yes i do. I still sell 7 shares for
* 200gold each
or alternativeley
* 1 share of acroma each.

Anyone looking for an employee??
could you post that in the next edition of dfz

donsig: i would like to ask you to put up "old" news in the embassies at the foreign boards, for example 1bigcommunity and apolytonia. the 1bigcommunity would be the most important, as the un will reside there. i would propose putting up 1 issue back or something. or maybe reduced size.

maybe a own "Die Fanatischen Zeiten" thread at the 1bc forum where the embassies are at would fit best.

Issue #9 has been sent out! :)

This should be the last issue for term 1. I plan to offer the term 1 issues in one document at a cheap price. I'll even include some new material. ;)

I hope to have the subscriber's list posted in the first thread soon. Been strapped for time lately (playing tourney games and GOTMs).

Skip the other games. Take care of the REAL important stuff :-)
Will the subscribers get the "collectors edition" for free?

Well, we should. :)

2 shares of dfz sold from me to gunning1
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?postid=515763#post515763
please update shareholder post!
i sold 3 of my 20 shares to strider and 2 to gunning1!

A list of our current subscribers (and the last issue of their subscription) has been added to the first post of this thread. :)

donsig, transfer 3 of my shares to Padma.

Another 5 shares to sell if someone is interested.

i sold 5 shares:

3 to gunning
2 to chieftess

so i now have 10 shares

the price was 200 gold

All the term 1 issues of Die Fanatischen Zeiten have been bound in a beautiful collector's edition. All nine issues included for the stunningly low price of 80 gold!

Special offer!

Renew your subscription for an additional eight issues - at a special price of 125 gold - and I'll give you the term 1 collectors edition FREE!

This is a limited time offer. Don't delay - renew today!

I would be interrested in buying more shares of Die Fanatischen Zeiten. I am willing to spend 750g. Give me a # of shares andf i'll take the best deal.

i would offer 3 of them if you give me 800g i will offer 4. i would never sell below 200g each :-)

alright-4 shares-800. BTW, u got acroama (sorry, next time i'll post in the trading floor)

Originally posted by VHS
alright-4 shares-800. BTW, u got acroama (sorry, next time i'll post in the trading floor)

deal done.
donsig:
transfer 4 of my shares to VHS, making me hold 6 shares.

VHS:
yes i got acroma shares, i never sell them. but i buy them.

dis, can you post offer for acroama stock in tradinf floor, im interrested in buying. As for the mag, what exactly does it deal with? I might be interrested.

Issue #10 has been sent out! :)

Originally posted by donsig
All the term 1 issues of Die Fanatischen Zeiten have been bound in a beautiful collector's edition. All nine issues included for the stunningly low price of 80 gold!

Special offer!

Renew your subscription for an additional eight issues - at a special price of 125 gold - and I'll give you the term 1 collectors edition FREE!

This is a limited time offer. Don't delay - renew today!

i would like to subscribe

Thank you VHS - but your mailbox is currently full right now! Delete some old messages and I'll start your subscription now! :)

o, sorry :)

I'll subscribe for the next 8 issues...

Article Idea: Write about the UN!

Transactions posted (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?postid=524063#post524063) (subscriptions for Diabloinex, Plexus and VHS).

2.74g dividend paid to shareholders. :)

*scribble scribble*
I'll sign up for the next set.

can i have the special offer thing of 8 issues

... for BCLG100, Chieftess, disorganizer and Strider. (Issues #11 - #18, 125g per subscription.)

The transaction post is here. (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?postid=525918#post525918)

A dividend of 4g/share has been paid.

DFZ has now paid out over 60g/share in dividends since going public. :)

If you didn't get it because your mailbox is full please pm me when you've cleaned it out!

Also, for those of you who took advantage of the renewal special, if you were unable to access your free term 1 issues please pm me.

BTW - that renewal special is still good. Renew for 8 issues (125g) and get the term 1 back issues all in one document for free! A current subscription list is maintained in the first post of this thread. :)

stock trade:

Disorganizer trades Great Iguanaman 3 shares of DFZ@ 200g ea, for a total of 600g.

See posts 2, 40 and 127 of the bse trading floor.

Who has more shares to sale?

@leningrado go check out the trading floor.

I would like to buy the next 5 issues.

The Great Iguanaman

i have 5. what do you offer?

im talking about a subscritption

The Great Iguanaman

i was speaking to Lenin...

How much are you willing to sell them for?

i transfered 3 other DFZ shares to great iguama.
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?postid=528665#post528665

3 left on my portfolio.

People, unless donsig has opened this up for a trading location you are threadjacking here. Take your share trading to the Exchange or the bulletin board.

He wanted to post the shareholders if they sell to keep track for the revenue distribution.

The actual transactions yes, but the negotiations are confusing the customers.

Issue #12 hase been sent out!

(EA - your mail box is full! Let me know when you have room again and I'll resent this issue to you.)

donsig, I want to ask you something. In DFZ, all the apotropies (') are question marks (?). Is this just my Opera browser, or your typing?

I'd like to renew for 8 issues please.

Originally posted by Octavian X
donsig, I want to ask you something. In DFZ, all the apotropies (') are question marks (?). Is this just my Opera browser, or your typing?

It ain?t my typing.

Both I.E. and Opera show that ' as an ?

For example, I always see 'Bavaria?s' intead of 'Bavaria's.'

I sold my last 3 DFZ shares to Great Iguanaman

Anyone that has shares??

Issue #13 has been sent out! Enjoy.:king:

Issue #14 has been sent out.

IceEye - your mailbox is full! Let me know when there's room and I'll resend the issue. :king:

Hmm. I think I've spotted an accounting irregularity. :D

Curufinwe, 125g for issues #12 - #19

Great Iguanaman, 125g for issues #11 - #18

50g to taxes and 200g retained by DFZ.

DFZ is a publically held company. I hold 8 shares in it. Should these profits be distributed?

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?postid=543560#post543560

Originally posted by Octavian X
Hmm. I think I've spotted an accounting irregularity. :D

DFZ is a publically held company. I hold 8 shares in it. Should these profits be distributed?

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?postid=543560#post543560

There are two reasons that no dividend was paid yet. First, there are 19 shares of DFZ currently being acutioned off because of VHS's bankrupcy. I'd rather see the new owners get the dividends. Also, DFZ is a customer of the BSE shareholders management plan which costs 10g/chat. I am also seriously considering moving the DFZ account to BOV which would also incur a per turn chat charge. The DFZ must retain some of it's earnings to cover these expenses.

I am thinking about paying dividends at the beginning of each term. :king:

Issue #15 has been mailed out.

Enjoy. :king:

(IceEye and Great Iguanaman: your mailboxes are full. Let me know when there is room in them and I will resend this issue to you.)

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Issue #17 has been sent out. :king:

Note: eyrei, Great Iguanaman and Grey Fox - your mailboxes are full. Let me know when there is room and I will resend this issue to you. :)

Originally posted by donsig
Issue #17 has been sent out. :king:

Note: eyrei, Great Iguanaman and Grey Fox - your mailboxes are full. Let me know when there is room and I will resend this issue to you. :)

Mine is cleaned out.:)

Donsig
Sign me up. Ich will meine Fanatischen Zeiten haben!

I'd like to renew my subscribtion. If I've still money, (never checked).

Issue #18 has been mailed out. :king:

Note: Several subscriptions have expired. The sub list is in the first post of this thread. If you want to renew please post here. I will continue the 8 issues for 125g special price.

I'll re-subscribe.

#19 has been sent out. :)

Correction to #19:

The first city settled during the turn chat was placed according to instructions despite what I wrote in this issue. I did not realize that the domestic instructions included a map for the second city and a link to another map for the first city. (That's what's happens when I get up at 4:30 in the morning!)

Shaitan has also written that there were other factual errors in issue #19. I invite our President to enumerate his allegations here. I will be happy to substantiate my claims or post retractions as above if I cannot back the claims. :)

Is it possible to get a trial copy of this newspaper? If so i would like one, im not sure if i want to subscribe yet

Originally posted by FionnMcCumhall
Is it possible to get a trial copy of this newspaper? If so i would like one, im not sure if i want to subscribe yet

You can use the link below to access the complete bound volume of the DFZ issues from term one. Please note that current issues are sent via pm whereas the bound volume is a zipped hmtl or something like that. If I get time later I will make the back issues from term two available as well. :)

Term 1 back issues (free!) (http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads2/DFZterm1.zip)

May I ask where the most recent DFZ is? I never recieved it.

Originally posted by Stuck_As_a_Mac
May I ask where the most recent DFZ is? I never recieved it.

Started it yesterday but didn't have time to finish. It should be out in a matter of hours. :)

Just kind of curious...

AM I EVER GOIMG TO GET MY DIVIDENDS??!!

Originally posted by Octavian X
Just kind of curious...

AM I EVER GOIMG TO GET MY DIVIDENDS??!!

Well, I've been waiting for quite awhile to see who bought VHS's shares at the liquidation auction being handled by S&E. Also, many subscriptions have expired and I'd like to hold off paying dividends until I see who will renew. :)

Subscriptions for Danke, FortyJ, Plexus and William528 have been posted to the revenue thread. (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&postid=586296#post586296)

The following subscriptions ran out with issue #18: BCLG100, Chieftess, disorganizer, Great Iguanaman, Ipris and Strider. You have all been sent issue #19. If you would like to renew your subscription please post in this thread.

Issue #20 has been sent out to current subscribers. Enjoy! :)

Note: Grey Fox and Ice Eye: Your mailboxes are full. Let me know when you have room and I will resend your issue to you.

Term 1 back issues. (http://civfanatics.net/uploads2/DFZterm1.zip)

Term 2 back issues. (http://civfanatics.net/uploads2/DFZterm2.zip)

These are zipped files. I put all the issues from each term into one word document and saved each as a web page.

i would like to renew my subscription for 12 thigns

donsig: whenever my subscription runs out, renew it.

I'm hiring myself as CEO so I can get the dividends paid. :)

Dividend payment has been posted! (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?postid=591081#post591081)

Please renew my subscription. A lifetime subscription if possible. Also, I would like copies of the last couple issues that I missed.:)

Please Renew my subscription. Also I would like copies of the ones I have missed starting from the Start of Term 3 :).

#21 has been sent out. Enjoy. :king:

Donsig,

In your latest issue you gave an estimate of the amount of time we have left to prepare for a war with Japan, and I quote:

We have about 15 turns to prepare for war.

I'm wondering how you came to that conclusion. Are you thinking that Japan will achieve Chivalry in 15 turns?

Originally posted by Cyc
Donsig,

In your latest issue you gave an estimate of the amount of time we have left to prepare for a war with Japan, and I quote:

We have about 15 turns to prepare for war.

I'm wondering how you came to that conclusion. Are you thinking that Japan will achieve Chivalry in 15 turns?

No, that is the quickest we can declare war and still have the Heroic Epic finished and switch over to monarchy. The estimate assumes we want to strike Japan as soon as possible. It also assumes a full six turn anarchy.

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I'll subscribe... **Glares at the nasty hole this is leaving in her new bank account**

ha thats why i dont subscribe too expensive :)

Brother Adam: This is a newspaper that we knew nothing about. Why was it not advertised? We happily would like to subscribe to this paper, as long as it is in a language we can understand...

Fionn - run for President then you'll be able to afford this quality journal.

Veera and McNulty - I will start your subscriptions with the next issue.

Everyone - I took the weekend off and went to Toronto and Orillia. Since I was away from all computers for 2 days there is not enough time for me to write up a useful issue before the next chat which is in about 6 hours. next issue should be out tomorrow night.

i will renew my subscription for 8 extra issues

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Note: eyrei and Grey Fox - let me know when there is room in your mailbox and I'll resend this issue!

CEO wanted to track subscriptions and post them to the revenue thread. I will continue to write and distribute the DFZ. CEO job pays 20% of gross. Apply in this thread or pm me if interested.

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Seems I for got to announce when I sent out #27!:eek: Sorry!

#31 has been sent out enjoy! :)

Looks like I forgot to announce the sending of issues #29 and #30. Sorry.

I have not taken any gold for issues beyond #31. I've grown tired of chasing subscriptions and producing DFZ so this is the last issue at least for awhile. I'm not sure whether this retirement will prove permanent or not.

I would like to thank my subscribers and shareholders. :goodjob:

Palanthus, 670 AD: The most recent turn chat didn?t even see a completed pre-turn. Most of the chat was spent deciding how to pay the Babylonians for banking. In the end we paid WM, incense, 22gpt and 350g. We currently have 464g in the treasury and are making 80gpt. While we are set complete our gunpowder research we have the opportunity to trade our newly purchased banking technology for this important military technology. The Zulus will give us their WM and gunpowder for banking. (They have no gold nor will they give us any gpt.) The Iroquois will give us their WM, 2g (their entire treasury) and gunpowder for banking. Either tade is worth it but the question is what do we do after we trade for gunpowder? There are a couple questions that are raised, neither of which we can answer until we make the gunpowder deal. One is, do we upgrade any of our pikemen to musketmen? They other is what other technology trades do we make?
We cannot answer the first until we know whether we have the raw materials at hand to make gunpowder. If by chance we do not have saltpeter this will impact our long range war planning as well as any planned upgrades. Our territory does seem large enough that we will find this needed substance within our borders but will it be readily accessible? If not, then how long will it take to connect the source to our trade network? If it will take 5 turns to do so we will accumulate 400g in our treasury during that time. This may alleviate the need to hold onto gold for upgrades. Until we determine how many pikemen we want to upgrade we cannot know how much gold we will need to do so!
The other, more involved and more pressing question is what trades do we make after we acquire gunpowder? Once we get banking from either the Iroquois or Zulus we can still try to get astronomy and printing press. While Copernicus?s Observatory (which requires the former) has already been built, and the latter is an optional tech, there are reasons to try to trade for either. Astronomy is a required tech. We will need it to advance to the industrial age. Printing press is required for democracy. We will need it if we are ever to be a democracy. The Zulus will give us astronomy for banking, WM and furs or for banking, WM, and 114g. Hiawatha will give us astronomy for WM, banking and 39g. Shaka will trade his WM and printing press for banking. Hiawatha will make the same deal. Russia will also sell us printing press for WM, furs and 250g. Our current long-term research goal is military tradition and chemistry will be out short-term goal once we acquire gunpowder. Once the gunpowder deal is made we will be able to see if any other countries know chemistry. If it is known the possibility to purchase it is opened.
England lacks music theory and banking but has nothing to pay for them. It will be interesting to see if the English have gunpowder. Our maps of the region may be out dated but it appears that no territory has changed hands in the Anglo-French war.
Russia will buy our furs for WM and 20g. We are exporting incense to Greece for 4gpt. The deal can be renegotiated. It may be worth seeing if we can get more out of Alexander. Gandhi will pay us 47g for the same furs. He also has dyes, which he will sell for furs, WM and 248g. Mao has silks and ivory for sale for a huge price.
It is time to rebuild for our next war. We currently have 6 catapults, 17 knights, 3 horsemen, 8 swordsmen (3 of which are in an army), 56 pikemen and 9 spearmen. We have about 46 cities. Assuming one pike or spear per city that leaves 19 pikes for border defense. Our army is in Nara. It would take 18 turns to reach Leningrado. Half our knights seem to be still scattered in the west and battered from the war. Seven knights are in Padmativa and Leningrado in the east. It seems it will take us at least 20 turns to gear up for the next war. There are many foreign forces within our borders. 26 Chinese units are strung out along the northern arc of the Great Bay from Huntington to Leningrado as they march on Persia. There are about 75 Babylonians units in Fanatika. They too are at war with Persia so it is hoped that they are also marching to Persia. One stack near Cuernavaca contains 21 units of with 17 are bowmen. There is a stack of 17 Russian units (mostly swordsmen) near Kyoto. Russia is also at war with Persia. There are only 11 Indian units within Fanatika. India is also at war with Persia.

Palanthus, 690 AD: Trouble in the trade department. The previous turn chat was stopped after we purchased banking so we could decide on the next trades we wanted to make. The science leader did post some trade polls but never posted any instructions in the turn chat thread. The polls were pointed out to the President who tried making the deals only to discover that we could no trade banking to the Iroquois for astronomy and 2g as the trade department had polled! Oh, if only someone had read DFZ #32 they would have known that we could have gotten astronomy from Hiawatha for banking, WM and 39g. Then we could have gotten gunpowder from the Zulus for banking. Instead, since the decisions were made at the turn chat, we bought astronomy from the Zulus for banking, furs and our WM. We then sold banking to the Iroquois for gunpowder and 2g. We saved 37g but gave up our furs for 20 turns. After the trade it was found that no one yet knows chemistry though great strides have been made in navigation. We are currently researching chemistry but since our science rate is at zero percent we are currently making no progress towards it. We need to hire a scientist! After getting gunpowder we found that we had a supply near Eklektochtitlan! Unfortunately it disappeared almost immediately and before we were able to upgrade any pikemen. We do have another supply available within our borders, just south of The Burrow, though it is not connected yet. The question of whether to connect this saltpeter (so we gould build musketmen instead of pikemen) was enough to cause the president to stop the chat at turn 2.
There is also a Russian source near Riga and another is close to Nagasaki, which belongs to Babylon. Russia also has saltpeter deposits just south of St. Petersburg. Russia also appears to have only one source of iron (near Moscow). Russia does not seem to have its own supply of horses. This is interesting since France recently allied with Persia and declared war on Russia. Catherine asked us for an alliance against France and our President very swiftly (and very wisely) turned her down. As we enter term 5 we must decide who will be the victim of our next war. We must choose wisely and prepare well in order to be sure Fanatika itself is not the victim. Here are some relevant links:

Who is our next target? (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=40434)
Poll: who is our next target? (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=40373)
Term 4 FA thread. (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=38009)
Term 4 Military thread. (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=38044)

Our military leader has suggested we will need an additional 15 knights to be ready for a war in the west. We are currently producing 2. One will be ready next turn while the other will take 12 turns. We should seriously consider devoting our top 7 cities to knight recuitment. Bremershaven (our top producing city) can make knights every 5 turns. We have six other cities that can make knights every 8 turns. If we switch production over now we can have 15 knights in less than 20 turns. Three of these cities are set to complete their current projects next turn. The cost of rushing the projects in the remaining 4 cities is: Kells (market, 4 turns) 112g; Valhalla (market, 10 turns) 328g; Kyoto (market, 6 turns) 208g; Bavaria (library, 5 turns) 320g. Note that Bavaria has no shields towards the library and so could be switched to knight production now. Switching Kells would waste 2 shields. Valhalla and Kyoto can switch without loss of shields. Neither Kells nor Valhalla have a barracks. Valhalla can be switched over to a barracks without wasting shields and the barracks would be ready next turn.

The term five turn chat schedule have not been posted yet.

In a December 2nd post in this thread, you mentioned need of a CEO. Still need one?

BTW, posting in this thread is a very good idea. The issue is certainly longer.

Originally posted by Octavian X
In a December 2nd post in this thread, you mentioned need of a CEO. Still need one?

BTW, posting in this thread is a very good idea. The issue is certainly longer.

I might. As you can see I've changed the way DFZ is published and distributed. I'm working out a new billing system as well. Once the changes are finalized (and I know what the COE will have to do) I will contact you Octavian. :)

The Office of the Price Manager has awarded DFZ with a contract to supply news to all Fanatikans. The newsletter will be posted openly for all to read at no additional expense. DFZ will be paid a sum of 600g per issue, to be distributed normally to its shareholders, employees, etc. This amount equates to roughly 5g per Fanatikan.

Congratulations, donsig. There's nothing like securing a Government contract. I just signed onto this thread to subscribe for the remainder of DG2. With the announcment of your new contract, that won't be necessary :) . This is an outstanding publication!

Palanthus, 740 AD: Good news! We have three new cities: Riga and Bizen have both joined our kingdom, repudiating Russia and India respectively. We have also founded Leckopolis in the valley south of the Gemstone Mountains. That leaves Ibizia (Baylonian) as the sole foreign city within our borders. Denver (American) and Satsuma (Indian) are foreign outposts on our northern shore. Our city of Kagoshima is cut off from Fanatika proper by the Russian city of Osaka and the Iroquois cities of Nagoya and Suo. We now have a total of 49 cities.
We now have ivory connected giving us five domestic luxuries. We have 4 workers building a road to connect Dapperdan and another 6 trying to connect Ise. Those workers may well begin building roads to those precious stones in the Gemstone Mountains soon, giving us our sixth luxury. After that there are silks just outside our reach in Russia and dyes and in India that are tantalizingly close.
Trader/warrior has started a thread entitled let's invade Russia. (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=40757) Russia offers a prime target right now. The Russian city of Osaka is just west of Kyoto and our Forbidden Palace so Osaka would be a very productive city for us. Taling Rostov would help to connect Kagoshima to Fanatika proper. Kiev has silks right next to it. Taking Minsk, Odessa and Vladivostok on the way to Kiev would certainly be enough to force Catherine to the peace table where we would have a good chance of extorting techs such as chemistry and metallurgy and perhaps even military tradition. The hope is to catch Russia before she gets her Cossacks. Russia is also vulnerable since it does not have a domestic supply of horses and its saltpeter supplies are right near the Babylonian border. By obtaining an RoP with Hammurabi we could place a strike force of pikes or muskets inside Babylon near St. Petersburg. This strike force could take out the saltpeter and iron supply that Russia has. Knights are not needed for this mission since the terrain is hilly and mountainous. Cutting off Russia's supply of horses will be more difficult. Russia is currently trading with India and Babylon. Babylon has an extra supply of horses and is most likely Catherine's source for this strategic resource. Since Russia and Babylon have harbors it would take more than the cutting of a few roads to deny horses to Russia. We also cannot ask for trade embargoes at his time. We can get Russia's WM and 3g for our WM. We can investigate Osaka for 80g, Rostov for 55g and Minsk for 136g. Doing so would allow us to place the proper offensive forces and garrisons outside each city so that they could be taken as soon as war is declared. The assault forces could then merge to take Odessa, then split again to take Vladivostok and Kiev. Peace would follow this blitzkrieg.
The FA Ministry has sponsored a poll on whether to sign an alliance with Babylon against Persia. (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=40754) It would be a good time to make the RoP as well.
We are currently researching chemistry and are 33 turns away. Our treasury stands at 999g and our current surplus is 107gpt. Our army support cost is 9gpt. We are up tp 18 knights but still have 3 horsemen. The horsemen are in Kyoto and can be upgraded for a total of 240g. We have 9 spearmen and 66 pikemen. Cleveland has been renamed The Highlands. Our saltpeter near The Burrow will be connected in two turns.
The next turn chat is Mon., Jan. 7 at 9 pm eastern US time (2 am GMT, Tues., Jan 8).
TC thread. (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=40790)

Tlaxcala, 840 AD: Ten turns of peaceful building. We know have 26 knights, 3 horsemen, 8 swords (3 in an army) and 6 catapults. For defense we have 3 muskets, 75 pikes and 4 spearmen. The horsemen are in Kyoto and can be upgraded for a total of 240g. We have 11 knights and a swordsman stationed on the eastern border. Two knights and a catapult are on the Indian border. Two swordsmen and two knights are in the northwest. Eight knights, a swordsman and our army of swordsmen are in the west. We have to get some of our new muskets or some of our pikes into the west and northwest in order to free our knights and swords for duty elsewhere. We now have 143 units, of which 16 are domestic workers. We are allowed 122 units so our unit expense is 21gpt. We currently have 16 units in production (one is a worker). Plan A (revised), (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=40860) which was approved by the citizens calls for 13 cities to produce military units so we have some cities producing units that could be working on improvements instead. These are Tarkingrad, Kagoshima, Gunningheim and Androbius. Kells, a Plan A city is building a barracks.
We currently have 1314g in the treasury and a surplus of 101gpt. We have an incense and two extra gems to trade.
America is annoyed, has 50g, printing press, chemistry and economics. They need gems. We have a renewable peace treaty.
England is cautious, has 20g and printing press. We currently have an active peace treaty and an alliance against Persia that costs us 1gpt. Both can be cancelled. England does not have astronomy, banking or gunpowder and need incense and gems.
France is annoyed and has 164g. They have the printing press, chemistry and economics. Joan needs gems. We have a peace treaty with 10 turns remaining on it.
Russia is annoyed and is broke but has printing press and economics. They need incense and gems. We have a peace treaty tat can (and should) be cancelled at any time.
Babylon is polite, has 307g, printing press, chemistry and economics. They need gems. We have a peace treaty that can be renewed. We also have an RoP and alliance against Persia that have 10 turns left. We are selling them incense for 22gpt and there are 3 turns left on that deal.
India is annoyed, has 7g, dyes, printing press, chemistry and economics. We have an old peace treaty that can be renewed.
China is polite, has 72g, silks, printing press, economics and chemistry. They need gems. We have a peace treaty with 10 turns left, an RoP with 7 turns left, an alliance against Persia (giving us 3gpt) with 3 turns left and we are selling then furs for 2gpt. The fur deal has already run at least 20 turns.
The Iroquois are annoyed and broke. They have printing press and economics. We have 10 turns left on a peace treaty that gives us 18gpt. We also have an RoP that has run for at least 20 turns.
Zululand is polite, has 62g, printing press and 2 workers. They need gems. We have a peace treaty with 10 turns remaining, that pays us 4gpt. We have an alliace with Persia that can be renewed. We still owe them furs for 3 turns because of an old tech deal.
Greece is annoyed, has 158g, printing press, chemistry and economics. We have 10 turns remaining on a peace treaty that gives us 3gpt. We are exporting incense to them for 14gpt with 5 turns to go on the deal.
Rome is annoyed, has 53g, printing press and economics. They also have 2 dyes and need incense and gems though we cannot trade with them. We have 10 turns remaining on a peace treaty that pays us 6gpt.
Persia is furious because we are at war.
Here is a breakdown of the foreign forces in our territory:
China: 4 spears and a sword near Leningrado. 2 pikes and 2 spears near Dacula.
Babylon: Spear, warrior and longbow near Padmativa. 14 longbowmen near Bremershaven.
Russia: 6 knights near Tarkingrad. 2 knights near Bremershaven. 14 swords, 4 knights, 4 pikes, 3 spears, an archer and a longbowman near Civanatoria.
Greece: Hoplite near Eklektochtitlan.
India: 8 elephants, a spearman and a warrior near Eklektochtitlan. 13 elephants and 2 swords near Bremershaven.
Iroquois: 20 mounted warriors near Kells. 8 archers and 7 spears near Plexenburg. A knight, 3 spears and an archer near Kyoto.
The next turn chat is Wed., Jan. 8 at 9 pm eastern US time (2 am GMT, Thurs., Jan 9).
TC thread. (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=41000)

Somewhere in the Southwest Province, 900 AD: Fanatika invaded by India! Gunningheim, Androbius and Riga lost in the north! Huntington lost in the south! Government scrambles to throw up defenses and put military production into high gear!

We have 37 knights to meet Gandhi's challenge. Allies sought as Vanir is threatened!

Your editor is unable to produce an issue of the DFZ as his duties as governor of the Southwest province must take priority at this time of crisis.

Tlaxcala, 960 AD: The war continues and India reels! Our glorious knights have driven the Indian infidels from Huntington rescuing our trapped government officials there. Our knights advance on Ganges its nearby dyes as our allies also make headway in the south. Hyderabad has fallen to the Russians while China has occupied both Indus and Kolhapur. In the west we've taken Fukushima but the biggest news comes from the north. Dapperdan remained safe. Gunningheim and Androbius are back under Fanatikan control, the former due to the citizens of the city irself and the latter due to our knights. The Indians counterattacked from Riga but our foces held thanks in large part to the leadership of Hengest. Our military is now strong compared to India's and we have 45 knight, 50 pikemen and 25 muskets. Despite this, Gandhi will not talk with our envoy. There is still Riga and Satsumi in the north to liberate from India. In the south, Calcutta, Bombay and Delhi (and of course Ganges) look like they'd make fine additions to Fanatika. We should be concentrating on eliminating the Indian threat in the north so we can turn the full force of our offensive to the south.
We must now decide what to do with Hengest. (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=41607) The main choices seem to be to build an army, rush a palace and relocate our capital or build a wonder. Trouble is we cannot build any wonders right now! We could build Smith's Trading Company but we'd have to acquire economics first. Hiawatha is willing to teach us economics in return for our WM, furs and about 250g. America, Babylon, Greece, Russia and China all have economics and are all working on Smith's (as is India). Note: due to my gubernatorial duties I did not have enough time to find the best deal for economics. The main benefit right now of Smith's would be keeping it away from the other civs. In the future this wonder would pay off handsomely in saved maintainence costs.
An army seems to be of marginal use right now. Three knights on their own seem better than an army of knight. An army of muskets would certainly anchor any invasion force we send into India though it would be much slower than our knights. Moving our capital is something we should do eventually but not at this time. The capital should be in the center of the Southwest Province (between Civanatoria and Tlaxcala) but we have no city there yet!
We cannot trade with Persia, India or Rome. England is broke. France, Greece and Babylon want an arm and a leg for chemistry. Russia and America are broke and wants an arm and a leg for chemistry. The Zulus are broke and want a ton for democracy. China is broke and wants mucho gold for silk.
We currently have 791g and a surplus of 155gpt. We are researching chemistry and are 11 turns away from it.
Turn chat instruction thread. (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=41609) the next chat is at: (EST: 15-Jan-03 @ 2100, GMT: 16-Jan-03 @ 0200).

Sorry, I was unable to publish an issue this time. :(

Well, it was only a two turn chat anyway. ;) We have learned that some countries have entered an industrial age and our people are trying to figure out the best way for us to catch up scientifically...

Tlaxcala, 1000 AD: Satsuma is no more! Riga has been recaptured and the Indian meance no longer threatens the heart of Fanatika. In the south we have captured Ganges, Lahore and Fukushima. Our knights have reached the gates of Pune and Chittagong. All told, the Indians have 11 cities under their control. Gandhi will make peace but is not yet willing to pay reparations. The Russians have Hyderabad and Indus and these, together with the English city of Leeds are a buffer zone between us and our allies in China.We have learned many secrets thanks to some deft trading with other nations. We now have an understanding of physics and metallurgy. We have also recognized the military tradition of Fanatika. We have begun mounting our musketmen on horseback as other nations have done. We call these mounted warriors cavalry. While we currently have only two regiments of these new fighters, it is possible to upgrade our 46 knights with muskets in the future.These new troops come just in time since the war has widenend!
Babylon made peace with India and immediately declared war on Fanatika! There are 15 Babylonian longbowman near Leningrado. The city is garrissoned by a musket, 2 pikes and 2 knights. There are two more of our knights in nearby Padmativa. Both of these cities have barracks which would allow for the upgrade of the knights there. We also have 4 knights in Kagoshima which can be upgraded now. A Babylonian cavalry regiment is near that city and we also lost a worker nearby. A discussion on military tactics and alliances is here. (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=42017) Here is another discussion about denying trades to Babylonia. (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=42025)
Persia, who remains at war with us and the Iroquois, will make peace but will only pay 15g.
We still need theory of gravity and magnatism to enter the industrial age. France and Greece have both these techs. America and China have magnetism. We can get democracy and 2 workers from Rome for metallurgy and physics. Once we enter the industrial age we will get a free tech. We should decide which one we want and see if we can influence which tech we get for free. There are a few discussions about future science research taking place:

Science discussion: scientists wanted! (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=42015)
What to research in the Industrial Ages. (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=41913) http://
Science discussion: The Dawn of the Industrial Revolution. (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=41778)

1000AD - Turn Chat Instruction Thread (EST: 21-Jan @ 2100, GMT: 22-Jan @ 0200) (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=42023)

To the shareholders of Die fanatischen Zeiten:

I'm sorry for the recent lack of posting of distribution. Rather than doing it every time a new edition is published, I intend to post new distributions every two weeks or so.

Also, recently, Leningrado, a shareholder in the company, was declared inactive. As such, his shares reverted to company control. I ask shareholders to give input on the subject of these shares. Should the company maintain control of them, or should they be sold? If they are sold, in what manner shall they be sold?

-Octavian X
CEO of Die fanatischen Zeiten

I think they should be auctioned off.

I think that's a great idea, gunning1.

i must ask that DFZ receive more per issue than 600g. i think 800g or 1000g would be much better for everyone

I'll contact the Price Manager about a higher price.

We should sell off the shares. DFZ doesn't need any gold.

Tlaxcala, 1130 AD:

The Phony Persian War ended some time ago, the treacherous Indians are holed up in the jungle city of Dacca and Izibia and Larsa have been wrested from the evil Babylonians. We have 63 cities within our borders and we are the most powerful naiton in the entire world! Gandhi is ready to submit though he hasn't much of value (only a worker) to give for reparations. Yet, what is the point of pursuing the war? We have no alliances to fulfill. It is time to make peace with Gandhi.
We do have active alliances against Babylon with America, the Iroquois, Russia and England and 7 turns remains on each. Hammurabi is already willing to pay 200g and 17gpt in reparations. If we use the next seven turns wisely perhaps we can convince him to give us the steam power technology.
Our population of over 15 millions is the largest and our people enjoy the largest per capita income in the world despite the fact that our GNP lags behind five nations. Our land area is the largest at over one hundred thousand square miles, giving a population density of just over 140 people per square mile. Despite our greatness, Babylon is considered that top city in the world while another Babylonian city (Nineveh) is ranked #4. The Greeks, Iroquois and Americans also have cities in the top 5. There are 15 wonders in the world. Persia has 4, Babylon and Fanatika have 3, Greece has 2 and The Chinese, Iroquois and Americans each have 1. France, Greece and America are all currently working on Newton's University while Greece is also working on Universal Suffrage. China may have the Great Wall but Fanatika has The Line, which blocades the Landbridge.
We have entered an industrial age and a new spirit of nationalism has swept Fanatica. Our scientists are currently researching medicine and will have that technology mastered in 28 turns. The Greeks are probably the most advanced people as there are clear signs of their industrialization. Babylon, China, France, Persia and the Iroquois are not far behind as they have all harnessed the power of steam. Fanatika and Russia rank next followed by the Americans who have yet to display any sense of nationalism. England and the Zulus are still in the middle ages. The Romans have joined the Egyptians, Japanese and Aztecs in the history books.
The English people look kindly on our country. They lack iron though cannot afford to purchase any our ours. Perhaps we should give them some since we have 5 extra! We also enjoy goo drelations with the Russians and have 17 turns left on a peace treaty with them. They also need iron - and saltpeter as well, not to mention furs and incense. Alas their treasury is empty. It is no wonder since Catherine has two workers she will give us in exchange for our world map! :lol: The Zulus (who are close to extinction) also like us and need many ofour goods, but they are also broke. They Greeks do have gold and are willing to pay 22gpt for our dyes. The polite Chinese would also like our dyes buy they have nothing to give in return. (This is surprising since we are paying them 45gpt for something!) The Americans are also polite but there is little opportunity for trade between our two peoples.
They Iroquois are cautious towards us and there are trade possibilities. They have extra wines and we have gems and incense that they want. For a small gold payment on our part (and our WM) we could exhange these luxuries.
The French are annoyed with us though they do enjoy our gem exports. The Persian still smart from the Phony War and are annoyed with us. They have nothing worth trading for anyway.
We have 13,552 culture points and all of our cities (except for our recent conquests) have at least a little culture. :)
We are still a monarchy and our science and luxury spending are both at 0%. We have 841g and a surplus of 145gpt. The surplus represents 24% of our income. We lose 36% to corruption, 24% goes to maintain our public buildings, 14% is paid out to other countries and 2% is spent on our armed forces. Our citizens enjoy 7 luxuries and only 2 are imported. We lack only wines.
We have 20 riflemen, 31 musketmen, 47 pikemen and 3 spearmen. Our offensive forces consist of 31 cavalry, 8 knights, 2 longbows, 9 swords (3 in an army) and 6 catapults. We also have a caravel, a settler, 17 domestic and 51 foreign workers. We have ethnic Roman, Egyptian, Japanese and Aztec workers and we should consider keeping these in the safe interior of our country as they may be the last of their race. these units currently cost us 11gpt total. We are building a military academy in Kuhkaff, though it is 38 turns from completion.
The governments of the world are changing! India, China, Zululand, Persia, Babylon and Fanatika retain monarchies while France and the Iroquois have established republics. America, England, Greece and Russia have democratic governments.
As we head into a new term these are the hot discussion topics cand polls:
Rail connections. (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=43087)
Androbius settler. (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=43115)
Pikemen: Upgrade or disband? (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=43067)
FA proposals: 1130 AD. (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=43008)
PalanZorg (city growth) proposal. (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=43065)
Info poll: Should we move our capital? (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=43002)

The next turn chat will be sometime on Saturday, February 1, 2003. The turn chatinstruction thread is here. (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=43010)

The word comprehensive comes to mind Donsig, excellent!!!

Palanthus 1130 AD:

We rushed libraries in Bombay, Delhi, Jaipur and Larsa for a total of 512g. We also established an embassy in Greece for 158g. Athens will complete Newton's University in 8 turns. We have 220g left with a surplus of 207gpt. We sold nationalism to the Americans for 9gpt, 49g, WM and TM. We renegotiated our export deal to France and are now getting 24gpt for our gems, up 4gpt. We are now exporting dyes and incense to Greece for 45gpt. That's about all that's happened recently as the chat was stopped for lack of instructions as to where to place our next city. Here is the discussion about the settler. (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=43115) There is also an info poll on the subject. (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=43160) CT also reminded us in the chat that we will have a second settler soon. We'd best pin down what should be done with both settlers if we want to get some turns played!

Other important topics and polls:
Info poll: Should we rush a harbor in Dapperdan? (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=43405)
POll: Tech importance for the industrial age. (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=43272)
Culture objectives for term 6. (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=43314)
Cartographic office border proposals. (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=42075)
Term 6 provinces. (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=43079)
Trade discussion 1130 AD. (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=43396)
Domestic discussion: Getting our cities to size 12. (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=43138)

Issues not being discussed yet:

Will we make peace with Gandhi now?
When should we make peace with Babylon?
When will we fight our next war?
Who will be our adversary? (We just sold natinalism to America but Russia is still a tempting target since she has to import resources for cossacks.)
Is China a friend or foe?
What's more important, replaceable parts or sanitation?

The next turn chat is Wednesday, February 5, at 6:59 pm (EST) which is 11:59 pm GMT. The turn chat instruction thread is here. (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=43277)

Also, a note to all DFZ shareholders: The sale of shares isn't going as well as I hoped. Just for now, remaining shares will revert to company control, and the revenue they earn will deposited to the company account.

What money that was made from sale of stock will be distributed normally. Also, once the last of stock is sold off later, the money accumlated in the compant account will be distributed..

Expect a new distribution today or tomorrow.

Palanthus, 1130 AD:

This special edition of DFZ looks at our workforce. Our staff took a detailed census of our workers (zip file attached containing spreadsheet and html) and this issue details the results.

We have 68 workers, 17 are domestic and 51 are foreign born. Of the foreigners, there are: 16 Indian; 11 Japanese; 10 Aztec; 4 Babylonian; 2 each are Egyptian, French, Russian and Zulu; one Persian and one Roman.

The distribution by province is:
Hafen Land: 8 (3 domestic and 5 foreign)
North Province: 17 ( 3 domestic and 14 foreign)
Rhineland: 9 (all foreign)
S. Doughnut Coast: 3 (1 domestic and 2 foreign)
Southwest Province: 7 (1 domestic and 6 foreign)
Sugar and Spice Provonce: 3 (1 domestic and 2 foreign)
Taliesin: 10 (7 domestic and 3 foreign)
Undefined provinces: 11 (1 domestic and 10 foreign)

Our workers are in 31 different stacks.

Current projects being worked on:
Clearing jungle: 1 (1 foreigner); 1 stack, 47 turns left
Irrigation: 16 (4 domestic and 12 foreign); 6 stacks; 2 turns left on avg.
Mining: 9 (3 domestic and 6 foreign); 4 stacks. 3 turns left on avg.
Roading: 18 (6 domestic and 12 foreign); 10 stacks, 4 turns left on avg.
None: 24 (4 domestic and 20 foreign); 10 stacks, ready to move

All in all 21 tiles are currently undergoing improvement. 24 workers are ready to start new projects; 10 more have one turn left on their current projects and 15 more will be ready for new jobs in 2 turns. That is 72% of our workforce. Another ten will finish their current projects in 3 turns. 7 will finish in 4 to 7 turns will only 2 workers are on projects takig more than 10 turns. (These are 18 and 47 turns for roading a mountain and clearing jungle respectively.

If we count foreign workers as One Worker Unit (WKU) each and domestic workers as two WKUs each then we get the following figures. We have a total of 85 WKUs. 24 WKUs (28%) are roading, 1 WKU (0%) is clearing jungle, 20 WKUs (24%) are irrigating, 12 WKUs (14%) are mining and 28 WKUs (33%) are waiting to begin new projects.

Multiplying WKUs by the number of turn remaining on current projects we get an idea of the total WKU *investment* we are committed to right now:
Roading: 88 WKU turns (43%)
Clearing jungle: 47 WKU turns (23%)
Irrigating: 40 WKU turns (19%)
Mining: 31 WKU turns (15%)

Transactions Posted, Dividends Paid (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?postid=750111#post750111)
Shareholders make 48.8g/share!

Good news! After discussion with Price Manager, and a request for an increase of 300g/issue to 900g, he generously increased our rate by 66%! We now make 1000g for every issue of DFZ released to the public.

Palanthus, 1170 AD:

We have made peace with India in 1130. Ten years later India signed a peace treaty with Russia only to join the Greeks in an alliance aganst the Babylonians. Russia and Babylon came to terms at the peace table in 1150 and then Catherine's envoys demaned we leave Russian territory. Then we gave Russia 10g! The Russian leader remained annoyed. In 1160 France joined Greece in the war against Babylon, though it should be remembered that we have the Landbridge blockaded. In that year Hammurabi signed an alliance with Xerxes who declared war on us soon after. Will this be The Phony Persian War II or will this be the real thing? In other news the Zulu have been reduced to a band os wandering settlers.

Here's a recap of the current world situation:

Babylon is at war with: America, China, England, Fanatika, France, Greece, India and the hapless Zulu. They are at peace with Russia and the Iroquois and are allied with Persia.

Russia is at war with China and the Iroquois.

The Zulu are at war with England, Greece and Persia.

Greece and England have a mutual protection pact.

Babylon and Persia are allied against Fanatika.
Fanatika is allied with England and America against Babylon.
Greece is allied with China, France and India against Babylon.

Our defensive forces consist of 23 riflemen, 31 musketmen, 47 pikemen and 3 spearmen. Our offensive forces include 32 cavalry, 8 knights, 2 longbows, 9 swords (3 in an army) and 6 catapults. We also have a caravel, a settler and 17 domestic workers. Our army support cost is 7gpt. We currently have 610g and a surplus of 245gpt. I think we have 64 cities now.

Our armed forces have increased by riflemen and one cavalry since 1130. None of our older units were upgraded during that time period. Our Landbridge Line is still manned by swordsmen and pikemen. Will these hold if Persian units show up? Leningrado, our easternmost city is garrisoned by one rifle and 2 muskets (plus 3 cavalry). Padmativa, also east of the Landbridge Line is protected by two pikemen, a catapult and a cavalry!

A wider war looms in the west as our former allies the Russians have cozied up to Hammurabi. Yet we're building univerisites in New PDX, Tarkingrad and Kells!!! Where are we building military units? Granmastoria, Trader's Inn, Jaipur, The Highlands, Fukushima, Yokohama and Lahore, which generate a total of 14 shields per turn! Luckily, we do have 8 productive cities working on increasing our military might: Nara, Plexenburg, Bizen, Hakodate, Tlaxcala, Civanatoria, Valhalla and The Burrow. Kuhkaff is 22 turns away from completing a military academy. We have many defensive units in our interior cites that can be upgraded and sent to our border cities. The old units in the border cities can then move inland to garrison our interior cities. This would allow the outlying cities to workon much needed cutural improvements rather than riflemen. Pensacola, Kuhkaff, Civanatoria, New Falcon's Nest, Octavinium and The Highlands can make due with one unit as a garrison. Our southern border is garrisoned by knights, pikemen and musketmen! This is madness! Our knights (except for elite units) should be upgraded to cavalry and sent to the front. We also have 10 cavalry stationed in the east. That is one third of our cavlary force. We should take a lesson from our own history and move these to the Babylonian front and replace them in the east with newly raised cavalry units.

What of our most productive cities? Bremershaven (which can recruit a cavalry unit every 5 turns) is set to build a bank. This will take 9 turns and will add 8gpt to our treasury. Why this 8gpt is more important than 2 cavalry unis I do not know. Kyoto, who can raise cavalry units every six turns is building a palace! It is hoped by a small minority of Fanatikan dreamers that someday this will be a great wonder. If we would set our minds to building our army and letting our units fight they would become an elite fighting force thatwould soon generate leaders that could instantaniously create great wonders. The most productive city we have raising cavalry is Plexenburg, which can recruit a unit every 8 turns. It is set to raise one next turn then it to will start work on a bank and university! Of our top ten producing cities only The Burrow is dedicated to recuiting military units. Tokyo, Hakodat, Kells, Kagoshima and Bavaria are neglecting the war effot.

Despite Russia's recent about face we still sell them horses! This deal expires in 3 turns and should not be renewed. We should also cancel our gem exports to them next turn. We will not lose any gpt income by letting these deals die. We can sell our gems to America, and ivory to France or Greece. China is also willing to buy Gandhi's, err... I mean, our dyes. We can net around 50gpt from these deals and the gold should go directly to upgrading our obsolete military units. We should also consider giving England one our our many extra luxuries. We can get a worker from the Zulus for teaching them metallurgy. (They need the tech so they can build stronger cities.)

We are currently researching medicine and will master that tech in 24 turns. France, Greece, the Iroquois and China all have steam power but refuse to sell it. We should consider giving England military tradition.

Babylon is ready for peace, though we still have 3 turns left on our alliances. They currently will not give us steam power in the peace deal.

Our next Turn Chat is scheduled for Saturday, February 8th (12:00pm EST: 5:00pm GMT). There is no turn chat instruction thread yet.

Palanthus, 1170 AD:

DFZ staff have conducted a city census. Spreadsheet and webpage attached in a zip file. Here is some of the information gathered and conclusions that can be drawn from the census.

We have 64 cities. The largest (Kyoto. Palanthus, Zorgonzolia) are size 12, the smallest (Columbia) is size 1. Adding the sizes of all our cities yields 377 citizens. The mean size is 5.89, both the median and mode are 6. 23 cities are size 7 or larger, 13 are size 6, and 28 are less than size 6. Of the 13 size six cities, 12 need aqueducts in order to grow further.

Our total extra food production is 124fpt, an average of almost 2fpt per city or 1/3fpt per citizen. Two cities, Bizen and Bombay) generate 7fpt extra. Delhi produces an extra 6fpt. Seven cities are at 4fpt; 8 are at 3fpt, 17 are at 2fpt, 18 are at 1fpt and 11 have no surplus food at all.

Our good shield production per turn (total shields produced minus wasted shields) is 348. This works out to 5.4 per city and 0.92 per citizen. The top two are Bremershaven (18) and Kyoto (15). Ten cities produce 10 to 13spt; 15 produce 6 to 9spt; 17 generate 3 to 5spt; and 20 cities produce only 1 or 2spt.

Our cities replenish our treasury at the rate of 212gpt. This figure is net or commerce minus corruption minus maintainence costs. This averages to 3.3gpt per city and 0.56gpt per citizen. The top gold makers are Kyoto (27gpt) and Plexenburg (16gpt). Seven cities earn 9 to 13gpt; 13 make 4 to 8gpt; 24 bring in 1 to 3gpt; 11 cities break even; and the remaining 7 cities run deficits. (The largest being Naerva at -4gpt.)

Edit: The above figures are off as net from cities should be 222gpt.

We have 17 domestic workers and 53 foreign workers. Using the WKUs of the last special issue we have 87WKUs, or 1.4WKUs per city and 0.23WKUs per citizen.

We have 172 military units or 2.68 per city and 0.46 per citizen. 104 are defensive (spears, pikes, muskets and rifles); 51 are offensive (swords, longbows, knights and cavalry); 6 are siege weapons (catapults); and we have one ship (caravel).

Edit: The above figures are off as we have 162 military units. Arithmetic error.

Our offensive force consists of 9 swords, 2 longbows, 8 knights and 32 cavalry. Taking the number of units we have and multiplying that by the attack strength of the units gives a measure of our firepower. Our firepower is currently 259. This works out to just over 5 per unit. If our offensive units were completely upgraded our firepower would be 275 or almost 5.4 per unit, a 6% increase.

Our defensive force consists of 3 spears, 47 pikes, 31 muskets and 23 rifles. Multiplying the number of units by their defense strength gives us a measure of our defensive power. This is currently 409 or 3.9 per unit. If our forces were completely upgraded our defensive power rating would rise to 624 or 6 per unit, a 50% increase.

We have 1.6 defensive units per city and 0.3 per citizen. Our defensive power per city is 6.4. Our defensive power per citizen is 1.1.

As part of the city census our cities were given a defense classification. The three categories are: border, coast and interior. Border cities are those within 3 tiles of our current borders. Coastal cities are those on the coast or within one tile of the coast and are not border cities. Interior cities are those that are not border or coast cities. According to this classification scheme we have 27 border cities, 16 coast cities and 21 interior cities. We also have the Landbridge Line (9 tiles) to maintain. If we allocate 3 defensive units to border cities, 2 to coast cities and 1 to interior cities and the Landbridge tiles we would need a total of 143 defensive units. We are 39 units short of this. In fact we do not even have one rifleman for each of our border cities!

Keeping the 3:2:1 ratio in mind for defending border:coast:interior/Landbridge tiles, we would have to stretch our current defensive power to the point where we had a defense of 2.9 in our interior cities. In other words, those cities and the Landbridge Line tiles would be defended by one pikeman each. Our coastal cities would be defended by one rifle each and our border cities by one rifle and one pikeman each. Such a distribution requires 100 units leaving us a surplus of 4 units using our current forces. How could this be accomplished and at what cost?

We'd need 43 rifles and 57 pikes. We only have 47 pikemen but we can substitute muskets for the remaining 10 units. We would need to upgrade 20 units to riflemen (3 spears and 17 muskets). The cost of upgrading the 3 spearmen is 360g and upgrading 17 muskets would be 680g for a total cost of 1040g. We currently have 610g, earn 245gpt and can increase this surplus by about 50gpt by selling luxuries. Even at 245gpt the cost would be less than five turns of income. While not as good a having nothing but riflemen for defense, this idea at least gets our main defensive strength where we need it most.

The best way to lower our defensive needs is to reduce the length of our borders and hence the number of border cities we have. Calcutta and Chittagong will soon fit into the interior city category but that is not enough, especially when Kyoto - our secondary capital - is also a border city!

Excellent statistics, donsig. I like this. It's the pre-planning I was talking about earlier. Can you work with the Military and Domestic departments to get a plan put together? Or maybe a poll to gather support?

Originally posted by Cyc
Excellent statistics, donsig. I like this. It's the pre-planning I was talking about earlier. Can you work with the Military and Domestic departments to get a plan put together? Or maybe a poll to gather support?

I'd like to do some of this Cyc but I don't seem to have time like I used to. Perhaps our elected leaders could start showing some leadership? :eek:

Palanthus, (still) 1170 AD:

Another short turn chat but this time for a good reason: we now have a great leader named Horsa! He is currently one tile south of Kagoshima and has been ordered to Kyoto. What to do with our GL? (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=43927) Join the discussion!
The FA Ministry has opened a discussion on signing an MPP with Greece. (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=44012) This deal would bring in the astronomical amount of 206gpt to our depleted treasury. In return we would sign the MPP with Alexander and export gems to Greece. What to do with our new-found wealth (if accepted)? (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=44084)
Other current topics:
Domestic discussion: Getting our cities to size 12. (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=43138)
When should we enter democracy? (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=43566)
Info poll: When should we enter democracy? (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=43744)
Domestic discussion: pikemen - disband or upgrade? (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=43067)
Info poll: What should we do with our pikemen? (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=43848)

The topics listed above are all interrelated though the focus is on how to get a technological lead among the nations of the world. Some say we should build our military, fight wars to gain techs at the peace table while buying up others. Some say we should abandon our warlike heritage, switch to democracy and conduct our own research. Is either strategy workable? Is there a strategy that allows us to fight and research? The staff at DFZ have done research into the effects different forms of government would have on Fanatika's treasury, research and war capabilities. The results are presented here. I do not have the data spreadsheet with me at this time but will post it later today.
The expiriment: I'm playing a game on emperor level. The civ is Rome, which is militaristic and commercial. The map is smaller than the demo game's, there are 12 civs on two continents. I played using the strategy agreed on in the early part of the demogame, i.e., research at 0%, buy techs and make lots of war. I did not make any alliances in the game, stayed in monarchy and did not care about reputation. (I even knocked one civ down to one city, made peace where I got three techs and agreed to pay 160gpt, then promptly wiped out the civ next turn to recover my gold. :) ) Anyway, the experiment was to go back to the 1500 AD save, go into anarchy and then choose a different government to see the effects on the treasury and science research rates. I chose 1500 AD since I had all government types available and could to an exhaustive experiment. The last turn of anarchy was 1525 and I saved there. Used the 1525 save five times and entered each type of government recording the pertinent data.
General findings, effect on treasury: I first looked at the income from cities with the sliders at 100% tax. These fell into three levels. Lowest was despotism and communism. Monarchy was next, about 10% higher. At the top were the republic and democracy which were about 55% higher than monarchy. Being interested in the net effect on the treasury and how this information related to Fanatika lead me to realize that my experimental country differed from Fanatika in one great respect. The expirimental country had markets in two thirds and banks in one third of its cities. A census of Fanatika revealed that only 14 cities (less than 25%) have markets. Fanatika has only two banks and they are in captured Indian cities. In an effort to make the expirimental country conform more closely to Fanatika I sold off all the banks and some of the markets. I should also point out that the expirimental country was 28 units under the allowed unit level under monarchy. Here is a table showing the net surplus for each government both before and after selling the banks. These figures exclude gpt deals with other civs and interest earned:

Despotism Monarchy Communism Republic Democracy
with banks 338gpt 435gpt 280gpt 663gpt 721gpt
w/o banks 251gpt 332gpt 223gpt 494gpt 544gpt


General findings, effect on research: I next looked at how fast the expirimental country could research under the different forms of government. For each government type I set the science slider as high as possible while still maintaining a gpt surplus. Note that the expirirmental country netted 110gpt from other civs and earned 50gpt in interest. Also, the expirimental country did not have one library or university. I looked at both the bank and no bank versions of the expirimental country. They were almost identical except that the country with no banks could actually research a turn or two faster in some governments! This can be attributed to the lower maintenance costs which allowed despotism, monarchy and communism to research at a higher rate and still maintain a surplus. The times for researching radio were:

Despotism Monarchy Communism Republic Democracy
with banks 23 turns 19 turns 23 turns 14 turns 13 turns
w/o banks 21 turns 18 turns 21 turns 14 turns 13 turns


Surprising finding, research rates: The most surprising thing this study showed was that research continues during anarchy if there is a scientist in a city!

Other findings, slider mechanics: Going into this study I had the vague idea that cities generated commerce which was divided among gold for the treasury, beakers and luxuries according to the slider settings. With science rate set on 0% cities generate zero beakers unless there is a scientist present. Likewise, setting the luxury rate to 0% yields no happy faces from commerce. However, setting the tax rate to zero does not eliminate income from cities! Total commerce (minus corruption) can be easily found by setting the tax rate to zero and adding the amounts spent on science and entertainment. Raising the tax rate increases city income but reduces the amount spent on science and entertainment by a larger amount. This study is unable to account for this. This realization jeopardized the findings of this study.

Eureka! Well the Greeks are the most advanced people in the world, aren't they? They are also the most advanced in the expirimental worlds. Comparing the amounts spent on science in both expirimental countries at each rate from 0% to 100% science I noticed the amounts at each level were exactly the same in both the bank and no banks version for each corresponding government type. This must be attribulted to the fact that there were no libraries and universities in the expirimental countries. An examination of these figures showed that when comparing any two government types the ratios of both city income and science spending at each level of science rate was almost constant! Here is a table of these ratios, using monarchy as a baseline:

Despotism Monarchy Communism Republic Democracy
city income 0.91 1.00 0.95 1.55 1.57
science spending 0.82 1.00 0.95 1.55 1.65

Herein lies a tool to make estimates of the effects of different governments on Fanatika's treasury, research and war making capabilities! Those estimates will appear in the next issue of DFZ!

Palanthus, 1170 AD: Estimates of the Fanatikan economy under different governments.

As promised in the previous issue here are the estimates for Fanatikan research and treasury levels under the various forms of government. Please note the excel spreadsheet containing data from the expiriment is attached to this post in a zipped format.

In our current situation (monarchy and +47gpt net from other civs) we can set the science rate to 60% and still have a 29gpt surplus. A nice round 300gpt would be spent on science at that rate. Medicince would be researched in 17 turns or steam power could be researched in 15 turns. The *cost* in science spending would be 5100g and 4500g respectively. The *cost* to our treasury would be 4012g and 3540g respectively.

Under despotism we could research at a science rate of 40% with a 46gpt surplus and 165g going to science. Medicine would take 31 turns and steam power would take 28.

Communism, which at this time is only a theoretical government, wouldn't be much better than despotism. Again, at 40% science with a 29gpt surplus and 182g being spent on science, medicine would be finished in 29 turns and steam power in 25 turns.

A Fanatikan republic could also research at 40%. The surplus would be 57gpt and 314g would go to science spending. Medicine could be researched in 17 turns and steam power in 15 turns.

If Fanatika were a democracy right now, it could research at 50% with neither a surplus or deficit. 435g would go to science spending each turn making the research times for medicine and steam power 12 and 11 turns respectively.

Please remember that these figures are estimates based on my expirimental world. That world had no libraries or universities so I am not sure of their effect on the ratios used.

There is the possibility that we can add 206gpt to our current income by signing an MPP with Greece. Here are the possible research times under the various governments with this increased income. Note that increasing the net amount earned from other civs does not directly increase the amount spent on science. The effect on research is indirect, in that the boost to the treasury generates a larger surplus allowing the science rate to be boosted while maintaining a surplus.

Despotism: 100% science, 422g science spending and 22gpt surplus. Medicine in 13 turns and steam power in 11.

Monarchy: 100%, 505g and 82gpt. Medicine in 11 turns and steam power in 9.

Communism: 100%, 505g and 37gpt. Medicine in 11 turns and steam power in 9.

Republic: 80%, 623g and 33gpt. Medicine in 9 turns and steam power in 8.

Democracy: 80%, 666g and 27gpt. Medicine in 8 turns and steam power in 7.

This gives an idea of how much faster science research could be done in a democracy versus our monarchy. Currently the gap is not that great. Democracy does have better science research potential. If Fanatika were instantaneously transformed to a democracy and was able to maintain research at 100% then medicien could be researched in 7 turns and steam power in 6 turns. This represents research times that are about one-third faster than the fasted times that can be acheived under our monarchy. Unfortunately, Fanatika lacks the markets, banks and population needed to maintain 100% science spending in a democracy. A switch to democracy now would yield research times that are less than 25% faster than those possible under our monarchy. This benefit and that from more efficient workers would be offset by the anarchy period before democracy could be installed, the larger amount of gold that must come from markets, banks, interest or other civs to maintain 100% science and the increased war-weariness that comes with democracy.

A brilliant piece of work, my friend!

Yes. Bravo donsig. Thank you for all the work.

A switch to democracy now would yield research times that are less than 25% faster than those possible under our monarchy. This benefit and that from more efficient workers would be offset by the anarchy period before democracy could be installed, the larger amount of gold that must come from markets, banks, interest or other civs to maintain 100% science and the increased war-weariness that comes with democracy.

Letter to the Editor

This is excellent work, donsig and greatly appreciated. As I desperately try to seek balance in Domestic agenda of our great nation, your newspaper has proven to be more than valuable to me.

With all due respect, one can suspect that Fanatika, with its wealth of libraries and universities, would fare much better than your experimental world. With the drop in corruption that Democracy provides, it should therefore be possible for us to drop the science rate even more in your examples to reach the same research goals. This would affect our gpt considerably.

However, my ability to prove that to you would result in a PI on my part, as I would have to toy with the Fanatikan world to do so. Still, I can't help but think that our added libraries and universities would only help the case for Democracy.

Respectfully,

Donovan Zoi
Domestic Leader/ Shareholder

Palanthus, 1200 AD:

Time moves forward again as Fanatika embraces the industrial age. We have signed a Mutual Protection Pact with Greece. In return Greece is paying us 45gpt and the Greeks have given us the secret of steam power! Since we have a ready supply of coal our workers are now laying rails in earnest. Our railroad building has two purposes. One is to facilitate the movement of our defense forces across our kingdom in time of emergency. The other is to increase to increase the production in our top cities so as to allow Fanatika to build great wonders. Fanatika has also begun doing it's own scientific research. Our scientists are currently working on bettering our industrialization. It is thought that only the Greeks and French have mastered this technology so far though Persia may have done so as well.

It would appear we are headed for peace with Babylon. Our allianaces have ended and our troops have left Babylonian territory. King Hammurabi will make peace and is willing to pay around 250g in reparations.

The Zulu have perished. England is losing ground in her war with France.

Fanatika has the larges population and land area, is second in manufactured goods and third in GNP. We are currently researching industrialization which will be ours in 12 turns. We have 290g in the treasury and a surplus of 97gpt. We are 5 units about our allowed limit so our army is costing us 5gpt. Our research is being financed by other civs as we have a 209gpt balance of payments.

Letter to the Editor


This is excellent work, donsig and greatly appreciated. As I desperately try to seek balance in Domestic agenda of our great nation, your newspaper has proven to be more than valuable to me.

With all due respect, one can suspect that Fanatika, with its wealth of libraries and universities, would fare much better than your experimental world. With the drop in corruption that Democracy provides, it should therefore be possible for us to drop the science rate even more in your examples to reach the same research goals. This would affect our gpt considerably.

However, my ability to prove that to you would result in a PI on my part, as I would have to toy with the Fanatikan world to do so. Still, I can't help but think that our added libraries and universities would only help the case for Democracy.

Respectfully,

Donovan Zoi
Domestic Leader/ Shareholder


Out first letter to the editor! Fantastic! I am glad that Fanatika's Domestic Advisor reads DFZ! I'm not sure if the estimates for Fanatika are low or not. While it was an easy matter to sell off the banks in the expirimental world I cannot add libraries in one stroke. The expirimental world goes on and the Romans are close to acheiving technological dominance while still a monarchy. I think it is this dominance that is needed by Fanatika and once attained it will not matter what government we choose. Theory of Evolution is a key to this dominace when coupled with the selling of technologies to finance further Fanatikan research efforts. In any event there is room for more research to determine the effects of libraries and universities. Thank you Donovan Zoi!