1: Iron Working
2: Alphabet
3: Writing
4:The Wheel
5: Potery
6:Map Making
7: Ceremonail Building
8: Mysticism
9: Polythesim
10:Monarchy
11: Horseback Riding
12:Literature
13: Masonry
(Editors note- hopefully by this time, the Great Library *or captured* has been built and we are getting free techs. If not,)
14: Math
15:Construction
16: Currency
17: Philosiphy
18: Code of Laws
Republic is optional or barterable.
This is it. Do you agree with it?
This will be up for 48 hours.

Citizen Input, please. Id like the people to post their ideas for queues.

i officially object to the current queue because:
a. it was determined entirely by stuck_as_a_mac with no democratic input
b. it places undue emphasis on military technologies
c. it defers more advanced government till too late in the game (ed. note: workers only have 50 percent efficiency under despotism)
i strongl urge all citizens to vote no to this technology queue.
provincial governer hopeful,
neutral leader

Our words are backed with NUCLEAR WEAPONS!!!

ok, neutral. then what would you do?
also, see my thread in the gov index and look at the citizen imput. also, we are running for a miltary campaign. please read before you post.

I'm not saying it is necessarily bad, but what would we accomplish by such queue? Is there a goal here? Might it be better to set about 5 at a time so we can readjust our plans?

okay-

1: Iron Working



2: Alphabet
3: Writing
4:The Wheel
5: Potery



6:Map Making
7: Ceremonail Building
8: Mysticism
9: Polythesim



10:Monarchy
11: Horseback Riding
12:Literature
13: Masonry



14: Math
15:Construction
16: Currency
17: Philosiphy


edit it as you would like. and we plan to accomplish getting to monarchy with swordsmen.

noramlly if you reaserch alpahbet first you end up being behind everyone in techs because they have all reaserched 2 or 3 techs in that time

It is normally best to post a discussion thread in the citizens forum before posting any sort of poll. It would also be best, in my opinion, if we discussed 3 or 4 techs at a time. Things do have a tendency to change once the game gets underway.

were not, were researching iron working first.

I voted no since there hasn't even been any discussion yet!

make suggestions then donsig, dont just say no and vote no, i agree a vote is premature but saying no doesnt help either

This needs a discussion.

There is a discussion in the Science Dept. thread. And this poll is WAAAY premature! More discussion in the Science Dept. thread then a poll.

Besides, we don't know if we'll get goody huts, find a civ with an early UU (forcing us to go in another direction to counteract the UU - if that's possilbe).

I prefer mobile units over swordsmen so I normally would put wheel and horseriding over iron. With our start though, there is a good chance chariots will be fairly useless (or at least severely limited). I agree with iron as the first tech. This would guide our initial strategy towards a sword rush. With all that lovely mountain nearby it's a good shot that we'll get some iron. :)

The rest of the queue is too deep at the moment. We need to get a fix on 4-5 techs. Once those are done a tentative overall schedule would be possible.

The problem with the queue, I think, is that if we go for alphabet and writing, we should continue right to literature/republic. We shouldn't interrupt with the wheel.

OK then. If the majority agrees on Iron Working for the first tech, then we can spend the rest of the week in discussion for our future paths. We are in a good spot for a possibility of an Iron deposit. Let's not get bull-headed about this. Small steps...

Iron Working as our first tech sounds good to me and yes, this poll is premature, as the rest of the queue really does need more discussion.

There is a good chance the first tech will take us 40 turns to research. There is also a good chance that we could trade for any particular tech we want in time.

I liked Cyc's proposal to head towards Monarchy and shoot for the Hanging Gardens.

So if it'll take 40 turns to research anything and we'll probably be able to acquire what we want sooner through other channels, then why do we need to worry about what to research?

I'd like IW as the first tech as we can then determine the best city placement to grab as much of the vital resource as possible. It is true that we will probably get more techs through trading by the time we get there but having iron will give us a good start and the other options afterwards can be decided this week. :)

If we dont have other civs nearby which we get to know within 40 turns (for example island start) we will HAVE to research ;-)

Perhaps we need to discuss a new science queue?

i officially object to the current queue because:
a. it was determined entirely by stuck_as_a_mac with no democratic input
b. it places undue emphasis on military technologies
c. it defers more advanced government till too late in the game (ed. note: workers only have 50 percent efficiency under despotism)

i would instead propose:
1. ceremonial burial
2. iron working
3. mysticism
4. polytheism
5. monarchy
6. alphabet
7. writing
8. the wheel
9. masonry
10. pottery
11. map making
12. horseback riding
13. literature
14. philosophy
15. code of laws
16. republic
17. math
18. construction
19. currency

this queue helps to back off the military emphasis (though it still provides iron working quickly). it also gets us to monarchy asap so as to remove the halving of our workers effectiveness. i would greatly appreciate input from the people.

neutral leader is a good, responsible provincial governor

Originally posted by neutral leader
i officially object to the current queue because:
a. it was determined entirely by stuck_as_a_mac with no democratic input
b. it places undue emphasis on military technologies
c. it defers more advanced government till too late in the game (ed. note: workers only have 50 percent efficiency under despotism)

i would instead propose:


I am not sure how your queue is more democratic.

Regardless, I really don't want to do science the way we did last game, with these long science queues. 3 or 4 techs at a time should be sufficient.

okay then, all in favor of iron working followed by
cer building
mysticisim
polythesisim
monarchy
say "aye"

AYE

I see your "aye" and raise you one "nay" and a proposal that we take the issue of what is to follow Iron Working back to the citizens' forum for some proper discussion. ;)

but iron working first is okay, rite?

Originally posted by Stuck_As_a_Mac
but iron working first is okay, rite?

Post a poll and find out.:D

heres a citizen input based queue. comments?
1. ceremonial burial
2. iron working
3. mysticism
4. polytheism
5. monarchy
6. alphabet
7. writing
8. the wheel
9. literature
10. pottery
11. map making
12. horseback riding
13. masonry
14. philosophy
15. code of laws
16. republic
17. math
18. construction
19. currency

SAam, please open a discussion in the citizens forum about your proposed science queues.

just did:
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=31238
der schivgan science queue (the second word is a made up one my friends and i use when crank calling people)

Originally posted by eyrei
Regardless, I really don't want to do science the way we did last game, with these long science queues. 3 or 4 techs at a time should be sufficient.

I definitely agree with eyrei on this. We should take things a lot more slowly and be able to adapt after receiving techs in trading. Just sticking up a huge queue of techs to research gives the science advisors absolutely nothing to do for their terms. We can look ahead a couple of techs, but the lie of the land may require us to discover maritime technologies a lot earlier than they have been planned on the queue. These mega lists may give you something to do between turns but are totally unnecessary and far too rigid.