I know we're have some trouble with the fact that there's only on person running the Senate, and it may be that way for a while. That's why I proposed this system.

At the current moment, we have a single senator, Almightyjosh. I propose that we add to the Senate two senator-at-large. They are members of the Senate, but not governors. When a second and third province is added, though, one of the Senators would become it's governor, upon an approval vote.

The senators-at-large would be elected, or appointed by the President and confirmed by the council. They would also count as leaders, meaning they couldn't have another leader position, and could run for president.

Thoughts?

no twisting our rules again ;-)
Im against this. I prefer having smaller provinces at the start or living with 1 governor.
Anyways, their job would be deadly boring :-(

I think this is a good idea. All we have to do is hold elections early for the next two provinces. At least one of them would be held this term anyway, so it does not seem like a big deal. It is preferable to one person having the power to veto any amendment...

Let's just leave the rules as they are. Our Senator has done an admirable job so far. If we want more Senators then let's get 'em the old fashioned way - by making more provinces. the next city we build can be the start of province number two.

i second donsig here. im excited on having more of the map to start province border discussion

Like I've said, I'd be against the 'city-province.' That's why I proposed this. We can keep our provinces larger, without giving one person the control of the Senate.

What did we do in the first demogame? I wasn't here for part of term 1 then (and didn't even bother to read the government threads. ;))

1) there was no senate
2) first province was governed by domestic leader

so there was no need for early governors

One question. are the older players afraid of change?, why not give the system a test drive? if it doesnt work we dont use it, but giving it a try doesnt hurt one bit, use it for term 1 and until we get a second province, if it works implement it as law if it doesnt scrap it, but keep an open mind instead of a closed one

I agree with donsig, in that the concept of allowing all of the early provinces to have a core level city is appealing. Think of it as provinces radiating Fanatika's power to world from the center.

It requires us to sit back a bit and do some mapping, but then to layout basically 2-3 more provincial areas, that may not have cities yet at all. Then elect people in advance.

There is a lot of things these governors could do before they have cities, such as city placement proposals, updates on their territory, the temporary inhabitants of it if it is in another civ.

Bill

It's an interesting idea but I don't think it's necessary. It looks like the only "benefit" is that one person won't control the Senate. A one person Senate hasn't been a problem so far and unless it becomes one I don't see a need for new legislation.

Originally posted by Shaitan
It's an interesting idea but I don't think it's necessary. It looks like the only "benefit" is that one person won't control the Senate. A one person Senate hasn't been a problem so far and unless it becomes one I don't see a need for new legislation.

I promise it won't become one!! :)
I also don't like the idea of city-state provinces, it defeats the whole purpose of having provinces at all. I like the idea of provinces radiating out from the middle instead of being in layers, but I think we must take care not to take this principal too far. There is no problem having some provinces which have more cities, or indeed more corruption, it's just part of the game (and it all changes when we get the FP anyway). Plus, it is more important to have provinces which are cohesive, geographically logical and able to build an identity based on that then it is to have exactly equal provinces.

In terms of the Senate, I have always said that I will consult my constituants first and I will hold true to this. Currently everyone live in Bohemia, so I can forsee no reason that I would vote against citizen will.

Go ahead with it. Its just like a basketball game. You sit on the bench, coach calls yah up, and yah play!

I give full support to this thread saving(I hope) proposal.

Well, if we expand fast enough this thread will be obsolete soon :-P