Welcome to the FA Ministry!

FA Leader- Ehecatl Atzin
FA Deputy- Raven1er

I, Raven1er, FA Deputy, Welcome you here. In this part of the cake, you will find information relevant to the relations we hold with other nations (in this planet and beyond, IIRC.)

For you demogame newcomers, here are our basic responsibilities, just in case you havent checked it out.
WE-
Organize decisions on declarations of war.
Organize decisions on peace treaties.
Organize decisions on construction of embassies.
Organize decisions on rights of passage.
Organize decisions on trade embargoes.
Organize decisions on mutual protection pacts.
Organize decisions on placement of spies.
Organize decisions on intelligence gathering, spying and sabotage.

My information is limited, so any questions you have, either ask me, by PM or here on this thread(whichever you prefer) or Ehecatl Atzin.

Well, lets get crackin!(I meant that like in a 'lets go to work' form)
(and No, Raven1er isnt a pothead. Just so you know.)

I'd like to advise the FA department that we have made contact with the Aztecs! They are currently polite.

Ehecatl Atzin and Ravern1er, what do you plan on naming your respective cities? I'm compiling a registry, so this information would be useful. Thanks.

Originally posted by Chieftess
I'd like to advise the FA department that we have made contact with the Aztecs! They are currently polite.

I dont know if im exactly allowed to do that after EA's absence. but if i can, sure! just dont enter their territory, 'case you wanna annoy them.

Originally posted by Octavian X
Ehecatl Atzin and Raven1er, what do you plan on naming your respective cities? I'm compiling a registry, so this information would be useful. Thanks.

How about.......Gugenheimen? nah just kidding...
On the serious side, I plan on naming a city Nocsfiedera(I dunno...spent 30 minutes trying to decide..):)

What actions and attitude does the FA office advocate with our new neighbors, the Aztecs?

As far as i know......we can trust them, just get territory/world maps without giving out ours....it will come in handy later on.

Raven1er. If Ehecatl Atzin doesn't respond, you can take over as if you were leader (leading FA discussions to arrive at decisions for the chat turns). That is what the deputy is for. I have EA's last post on August 30 by search so you should have full reign for now...

Your vote is needed in this Council Vote (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=30834).

REQUEST:
in the president thread and in the job-thread in the rpg-subforum, there are requests to put the embassies to other nations (forums) as offices underneath the FA-Department (they are now under the presidents department). Please respond.
There seems to be general consensus on this topic to moove them there, which will bring the FA-Leader into the responsibility of appointing the ambassadors and defining the grounds for those embassies.

ADDITION:
the only embassies active at the moment can be found in the offices-index at the rpg-forum.

the active ambassadors are me for apolytonia and chieftess for the german demogame.
still needed is the ambassador the the 1bigcommunity demogame and maybe to other demogames as well (civ2?).

also, there was a proposal to send out explorers to find new demogames for the FA-Department.

I'm back! and thanks to Raven1er for setting up shop while I was missing (school and all) sorry I missed the first turn chat. Nice place we have here, cattle, spices and all!
How great it is that the aztecs are our neighbours!! hehehehe :D
Since they seem to be friendly I agree with Raven1er, we should try to aquire maps, but let's not be willing to give everything we have.

@ Disorganizer -- I thinks it's a good idea, in fact, I was thinking of proposing the same thing. Ambasadors do work for the FA ministry in real life, why not the demo game?
I think you and CT are fine as ambasadors to these nations you speak of, the FA will eventually need to find more ambasadors but that can be done when other nations are found. Any upstart volunteers? I also agree with the explorers idea.

Ehecatl Atzin

PS Those volunteers?...PM me please

I will added the job-add i put up in the rpg subforum to tell them to pm you ;-)

The next candidate would be the 1bigcommunity game... this is also a big responsibility because we plan to setup a UN forum there for ALL demogame nations to have a combined platform for exchange ;-)

EA has come to save the day, my work here is done....

A UN, cool! that´ll be nice. Imagine it! Will the UN representative be an elected official or someone that only the coucil chooses? or maybe just the president?

Raven1er--- oh, no, your work is most definetly not done... :D
I won´t be able to attend tomorrows turn chat (get home at 7:30 pm ) I´ll attend the first 1/2 hour maybe, you´ll have to take over from there. Just remember, don´t sign anything I wouldn´t sign. That should be easy enuff! :D

Ehecatl Atzin

Oh, Octavian X, I´m in between names right now, I´ll trim the list down a bit and give you the name first thing tomorrow.

Ehecatl Atzin

Originally posted by Ehecatl Atzin
A UN, cool! that´ll be nice. Imagine it! Will the UN representative be an elected official or someone that only the coucil chooses? or maybe just the president?

Raven1er--- oh, no, your work is most definetly not done... :D
I won´t be able to attend tomorrows turn chat (get home at 7:30 pm ) I´ll attend the first 1/2 hour maybe, you´ll have to take over from there. Just remember, don´t sign anything I wouldn´t sign. That should be easy enuff! :D

Ehecatl Atzin

Noo!!! Not the turnchat!!!
..Ok ill go.

Please read:
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?postid=473749#post473749

I wonder what's our stance on demands from other civs...:satan:

Yes. Should we cave to threats?

OK, I may be wrong, but so far I think it looks like this:
Apolyton - disorganiser
1BC - none (I'd love the job)
German Game - none (need s/o bi-lingual)

Or have we already appointed these ambassadors?

Hello All!!

Well, after yesterday's turn chat, the stats are as follows:

-We have made contact with the Aztecs. Though we do not know where they live or how many cities they have (hopefully one) we do know this:

- They have masonry and ceremonial burial.
- Our people are mutually impressed by each others culture.
- The aztecs believe we are technologically backwards (we must not allow this to continue!)
- We have traded bronze working for pottery and 10 gold pieces.

@Almightyjosh --- The German game has an Ambassador, Chieftess. The 1BC has not, Leningrado has already applied for the job and I'm waiting for a response, but all aplications are accepted until the new ambassador is chosen, I'll probably have to make a deadline to accept submitions, how about until september 11th (since I'm leaving for official business on the 12th).

@Zur & Chiefpaco ---- The Ministry has not yet made a plan on how to deal with each specific nation, mainly beacuse we know of no other nation except the aztecs. Once we have gathered more information, we'll start cataloging our neighbours into groups (trustworthy, suspicious, rougue...) the Ministry will, of course, enforce the idea that Fanatika shall not give into demands. But since this is an emperor level game, this decision will not rest soely on the Ministry's shoulders. The Military department, The Domestic department and even Trade shall have a say on it. (not to mention our citizens and President).

@Octavian X ---- I have decided what I wish to name a city: (drum roll please...) Cuernavaca! It means the resting place of our lady of Spring, it also means place of eternal Spring. So it'll have to be somewhere springy, not in the middle of the desert or tundra. How's that?

Moving on....I shall be absent from the forums the following weekend. On real life I shall attend a school trip all over the Baja California peninsula. I'll leave on september the 12th and arrive on the 16th. In the demogame, I'll visit the aztec homeland, thanks to the jag that has come into our view and agreed to take me to Monty :)

Questions, comments, fireballs? please reply. That is all. Have a nice day :)

Ehecatl Atzin
Foreign Minister

Out of curiosity, isn't the vaca part in Cuernavaca spanish for cow?

I am spanish, and can confirm that Baca is spanish for Cow.

Yes, vaca is spanish for cow, but the name isn't in spanish, it's in nahuatl ;)

Ehecatl Atzin

Originally posted by Ehecatl Atzin
Yes, vaca is spanish for cow, but the name isn't in spanish, it's in nahuatl

Typical, just typical.

Baca is Spanish for cow, but Baka is Japanese for stupid. Maybe that's why the were annoyed. ;)
:lol:

Please vote in the Council Vote for Domestic Leader (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=31915).

Originally posted by Chieftess
Baca is Spanish for cow, but Baka is Japanese for stupid. Maybe that's why the were annoyed. ;)
:lol:

:lol: , as to not offend the voters, I'll abstain to agree ;)

Ehecatl Atzin

Since we're building a city next to a cow we should name it Baka Baca! :D

Originally posted by donsig
Since we're building a city next to a cow we should name it Baka Baca! :D

I wholeheartedly agree!:goodjob: :lol:

1 problem- it leads to dr. evil doing the macarena. *baka baka baka baka, baka baka baka* (international man of mystery, when he meets scott for the first time)

Umm.. ok. Now, are there any foriegn trade possibilities that can be discussed with the Trade Department? Will the Japanese trade anything? Do the Aztecs have something the Japanese don't? (and that we could trade with the Aztecs, then Japanese)...

The only trades possible are tech trades. These are in the Science Department's jurisdiction.

Even trades with other nations are foriegn deals. Who know, FA might find something we missed.

Im here to announce that i wont be here for a number of days, mostly likely be back on saturday

Originally posted by Raven1er
Im here to announce that i wont be here for a number of days, mostly likely be back on saturday

Do we have a Depudy Depudy to replace him??
Ahhhh, constitutional crisis, head for the hills!!!
*Josh runs away to cave and beats head against the COL for not letting him have a depudy*

Why not start some discussion to change the law which you don't like? Just because we rejected them in the past doesn't mean we won't take them this time...

ok, im back, had to run errands over weekend

okay. weve met the english. mysticism, masonry, and the alphabet. trades are in science or trade?

i request temporary replacement of me as ambassador in apolytonia as i injured my hand and can not type as good as would be needed to fully work in my job... im sorry for the inconveniance.... i propose the original thread stays open but someone else is appointed "acting ambassador" and continues discussion and smalltalk there.

Originally posted by Octavian X
Why not start some discussion to change the law which you don't like? Just because we rejected them in the past doesn't mean we won't take them this time...

*hits Octavian with the COL* and cries:
'see, see? There is no logiv, NO LOGIC!!'
*goes and starts a discussion thread*

Originally posted by disorganizer
i request temporary replacement of me as ambassador in apolytonia as i injured my hand and can not type as good as would be needed to fully work in my job... im sorry for the inconveniance.... i propose the original thread stays open but someone else is appointed "acting ambassador" and continues discussion and smalltalk there.

Ehecatl comes back today. just wait till he goes online

Hello everybody! I'm back!!!

Thanks Raven1er for not burning the office down in my abscence ;) Now, what's this about the english? hehehe... lemme just download the game and have a look and make an informed opinion about everything (just got back yesterday night, sunburned and all!..Monty says hy) I'll have a report as soon as I finish writting it.

@ Disorganizer --- I agree with your proposal, who do you think is best suited for the job?

@ AMJ --- A deputy for the deputy?? the beurocracy we shall have.....


Ehecatl Atzin

PS Cave paintings in Baja California are wicked!!!!

Foreign Affairs Department Report

Well, a nice little mix of cultures this world is turning out to be :) So far there are the aztecs, the japanese, the british and of course, us:

Culture Position toward us
Aztecs ------------ Polite
Japan ------------ Annoyed
England ------------ Cautious

Culture Tech. Adavances we do not posses
Aztecs ------------ Iron working & Masonry
England ----------- Masonry, Alphabet & Misticism
Japan -------------- Masonry & the weel.

All nations think we are technologically backwards :( We musn't allow this to continue, please increase science spending!
Our peoples are mutually impresed by each others culture, weird, but true.
We have nothing to trade to anyone, without any resourses, techs or even maps, and no roads conecting our capitals, the only way we can attain these techs are either by research, goody huts or an invasion:

--- Research: without any gold in our hills, a despotic government and just two cities, increasing science spending is folly. We must direct our investigations towards a change in government.
--- Goody huts : let's just pray the aztecs haven't plundered the ones near our cities. We must increase our explorers, other cultures are coming to us instead of us finding them, we are at a disadvantage, they know where we are yet we do not know where they reside. If we are to attain success we must have knolledge of the world around us.
--- Invasion : unlikely, we have neither the military might nor the technological advantage to gain a victory in battle. We must play defensively, at least now, if we are even to consider a mlitary campaign in the near future.

With the information we have now, I would support added contacts with the aztecs, to secure our borders and fend off an attack, if for nothing else. I would sudgest fortifing a warrior somewhere in the lands sepparating our borders, a watch tower of sorts to see any troop activity if Monty decides to attack.
We need resourses, explore our world Madam Leader! so far we have sighted only spice and we do not yet control it.

Japan seems too agresive, i don't trust Tokugawa and we should deal with him carefully, try to discover the japanese homeland.

@ Raven1er --- Don't wait for me to come back, as acting Foreign Minister in my abstence you can decide on the issues affecting the Ministry :)

Ehecatl Atzin

Mr Foreign Affairs Minister SAH!

The Ministry of War would like to direct your attention to this poll proposal (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?postid=491132#post491132), as certain aspects of it come under your jurisdiction. Please look it over and make a post in that thread indicating whether or not you are willing to make this a joint Military/FA poll.

Thankyou for your time.

~Eklektikos
Fanatikan War Minister

Ehecatl, I agree. We do need to explore, and expand more than gearing up for war. We have a lot of room to grow, and so do the Aztecs and Japanese (apparently - dur to their distance from us). When we get iron, this might be one exception where we should trade valuble techs. Emperor and Deity levels are all about trading and shrewd diplomacy. If we don't trade now, even when we do get iron, we'll be left in the dust. I'd like FA, Trade, and Science to get together and discuss these trades. Each civ has a tech the other two don't have. I think once we research iron, we should try to trade with these nations. They will allow for the potential of other nations having iron in their borders, but iron is an early tech that all nations will have regardless if we trade within the next 20 turns or not. Plus, we can even see the iron resources when they appear, so if we do go to war, we should scout their lands, and pillage their roads.

As you might expect, I disagree with CT on this. I would favour administering a sound kicking to both the Aztecs and Japanese and then acquiring their technological advances via "gunboat diplomacy". I particularly oppose trading Iron Working to the Aztecs if we plan to declare war on them soon afterwards.

Originally posted by Eklektikos
As you might expect, I disagree with CT on this. I would favour administering a sound kicking to both the Aztecs and Japanese and then acquiring their technological advances via "gunboat diplomacy". I particularly oppose trading Iron Working to the Aztecs if we plan to declare war on them soon afterwards.

I agree. Let us secure our promised land. Then we can trade and open peaceful relations.

@ Eyrei & Eklektikos -- The aztecs already possess knoledge of iron and could very well be creating a small army since we do not know wether they have the ore in their lands. If one nation already has iron working they could very well trade it to another and thus we would loose the oportunity to cash in on that.
I agree with Chieftess, we could trade iron to the british for alphabet or mysticism, I would opose a trade with the japanese. Iron working, while a valuable asset to any civilization, will eventually be had by all. I would normally opose such a trade but under our current circumstances I see no other choice.
An invasion, while most preferable, is not something I believe we can win. At least with our current information and technology.
Remember, the aztecs are particulary expansive, if we do not grow now we might not have a chance later on. Or worse, some resourses that would have gone to us could end up in their hands.

Ehecatl Atzin

Ok, I didn't realise the Aztecs already had Iron Working. I guess that reduces my opposition to selling it to the English :)
However, I still think that our best move regarding the Aztecs is the early strike that I have proposed. The fact that they are so prone to rapid and aggressive expansion seems to me to be another compelling reason to break their back early on, before they have a chance to completely outgun us.

Yes, I aprove of the early strike, but let us have information first. I don not want to jump blindly into a war that could wipe us out. Monty doesn't offer peace when he's winning.

Ehecatl Atzin

i think by the time we get it the english will have it

I belive we should try to trade iron working for some of the monarcy goverment techs.

We should especially try for Writing, with a palace prebuild AFTER we expand a bit more.

yay! someones listening to the deputy's ramblings. a palace prebuild after writing is perfect for 1 thing and 1 thing only. GL!!!
whoo-hoo!

We can't have a palace prebuild until we have masonry...

Assuming the british don't get iron before we do, we can trade it for alphabet. If a pre-build up is an absolute necesity, I believe we could trade if for masonry, but that seems a very weak and pathetic trade to me.
So, we should try to trade iron to the british? do I smell a poll coming up?

Ehecatl Atzin

I think we can trade our iron for both techs. It's best (sometimes) to select our tech, and ask "What will you give for this?".

Right, but that's the best scenario we could have, well the best would be to recieve all 3 of their techs :D I'm going on a one tech each basis, just to not get our hopes up, but yes, that is a real posibility.

On an unrelated note:
Hear yeh!! hear yeh!! The Foreign Ministry is now accepting submitions to become Ambassadors to our neighbours, the unamed Civilization Game. No one responded to the last call and Leningrado didn't respond to my PM, if no submitions are cast by the next 48 hours I shall personally apoint an ambassador. Also, I am the acting ambassador to our friends in Apolyton until Disorganizer gets better. That is all!

Ehecatl Atzin

Also, I think we can trade with other nations, too. See what they offer, and we can trade with a couple of civs during the next turn chat.

Right now, without iron, they don't want to trade anything. After iron we can trade with the british and the japanese (even though I opose trading with them) what we get from that trade we could trade it with the aztecs since they already posses iron. If we play our cards right, we could even up techs with all our neighbours.

Ehecatl Atzin

Foreign Affairs Oficial Report

We have aquired Iron working!!! Now we can start talking about trade ;)
The british have offered to give us Masonry and the weel for said technology but when asked if they would trade alphabet instead it appears the deal will probably be acceptable. So we have either choice.
The japanese offered 80 pieces of gold and they seem reluctant to trade anything else.

On another note, there are three iron ores near our territories, I sugest we secure them all. Not only for hoarding resourses for eventual trade, but to impede the aztecs from having the ore in the far west if they do not already have one. We must also reach the southern shores with our cities. That way we shall cut off the aztec expansion to the east and secure a coastal city (and a port) that could open up trade with other civilizations that also use that sea. (if it is a sea, we have no way of knowing).

A poll shall be placed and announced regarding the trade of technologies, please attend and vote.

Ehecatl Atzin

Please cast your vote in this council vote (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=32463) for the Governor of Bohemia.

The Foreign Ministry is in a state of shock and grief over the loss of our governor, Almightyjosh. Therefore, our doors shall remain closed for the rest of the day. Our workers are encouraged to attend to our pubs and gathering places, relax and reflect.

Ehecatl Atzin

Our doors have now been re-opened. All are welcomed to post.

Ehecatl Atzin

Tech trade possibilities for 2150 BC. (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=32610)

Back on the job, but i think ill make scarce of myself,(for the week, but ill try and be here) for i have school matters, and gf matters;) to attend to.

Just to inform you that Donsig, Fanatika's premier publisher, has paid for the Foreign Affairs Department to receive 1 poll consultation from YN&A to be made use of at the Dept.'s discretion. Please PM me (http://forums.civfanatics.com/private.php?s=&action=newmessage&userid=16187), or post your requirements in the YN&A thread (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=31775), should you choose to make use of this gift.

We have meet India. More information as soon as it becomes available. (About 10:30 pm, my time - I'm at school :D )

Ehecatl Atzin

SPAM deleted

Attention!
The Foreign Ministry needs a Delegate in the UN, the 1BC has constructed a UN and Apolyton has also been invited, any submitions will be taken into consideration.
That is all.

Ehecatl Atzin

I'd like to apply for the ambassador's position. After all, I 'discovered' them :D

Seriously, though, I would like the job.

New demogame found?

As of news from the UN-Council:
http://pub135.ezboard.com/bciv3democracygame

if i can hold this job in addition to a governorship, i would be honoured to represent fanatika.

i made a decission:

if you make the UN representative an appointed manager (30g/tc), i will definitely volunteer for that position. i would need a deputy though (20g/tc).

you will also have to run the UN representative thru an acceptance poll.


i would also be willing to give away the ambassador position in apolytonia for that one.

Let's see, we have Octavian X, Neutral Leader BCLG and Disorganizer. Anyone else? Since this does have to run thru a poll, tell us friends, why should you represent us in that far off world? :D

Ehecatl Atzin

My qualification:
* Opening embassies in foreign forums was originally my idea, which i braught to chieftess and shaitan (former pres + the ex FA)
* Together with chieftess, i started to search for other nations in our universe
(known as the senil=search for non-cfc intelligent life project)
* Chieftess and me developed the idea of the UN and braught this idea to the community-forum
* I have experience as Fanatikan ambassador to apolytonia since the beginning of our nation. I was an attachee doing most of the embassy-work there before the beginning of times.
* I do not hold any other official departmental position, so this position would be my first "elected" position to hold.
* I Really(!) want to do it. Im even willing to offer my beloved apolytonian ambassador position for that

How would i run it:
* Our Community-Embassy will hold the UN-Office of Fanatika.
* Our Forum will hold a UN-Office thread
* All ambassadors of our nation will have deputy-officehead status of the UN-Office (10g/tc position). They will be allowed to post in the UN-Office thread and the Community-Embassy
* I will appoint 1 deputy representatives. He/She will hold a 20g/tc position and will be able to post in the UN-Office on CFC and the UN-Council on the Community
* I will appoint an "Head of UN-Office" (20g/tc) on CFC to run the office-thread. This one will also be able to post there and in the UN-Council.
* The Community-Embassy and the UN-Office will be open for debatte for ANY citizen. The topics braught up there will be transferred to the UN-Council when needed by the representative and his deputies. Maybe a vote will sometimes be necesarry before, though.
* Im open for any other things the citizenry would like to have implemented

To summarize it, i will try to represent my nation and the fanatikan populace as good as i can.

wow... i cant really argue with dis and therefore withdraw my application. however, i would still like to be considered for one of his deputy positions. thank you, and good luck.

Well, we have heard from two of our candidates, let us wait until, let's say October 3rd for the other candidates to have their say, then we shall have an election.
Oh, Dis, if elected, who would you like to see go to the Apolyton Embassy?

Ehecatl Atzin

Term 2 thread (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=33270)