Current as of: March 15, 2010

To those coming here for the first time. The following threads are out of date:

Arda Mod: http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=213380
Debug: http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=213388
Status: http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=237209
Timeline (Progress Reports): http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=245802
*Note: Unless the thread has been posted in this year, it is not considered current and may not be part of our discussions.

This thread is for the Finalized Discussion Lists.

Finalized:

Vassals: - Yes, Included

Colonies: - No, Not Included

Corporations: - No, Not Included

Great People:

- Great Minstrel (Great Artist)
Culture Bomb
Bulb a Tech
Golden Age
Settling

- Great Artisan (Great Engineer)
Hurry Production of a Building
Bulb a Tech
Golden Age
Settling

- Great Loremaster (Great Scientist)
Sage's Library (Academy)
Bulb a Tech
Golden Age
Settling

- Great Trader (Great Merchant)
Trade Mission
Bulb a Tech
Golden Age
Settling

- Great Commander (Great General)
Command Post (Military Academy)
Recruitment (Recruit Units)
Attatch to a Unit


Removed:

- Great Prophet
- Great Spy
Civilization Colour Codes:

Quendi:

Noldor: House of Fingolfin: DARK_CYAN
Noldor: House of Fëanor: MIDDLE_CYAN
Teleri: LIGHT_GREEN
Sindar: GREEN
Vanyar: WHITE

Men:

Númenor: GOLD
Arnor: LIGHT_BLUE
Gondor: BLUE
Edain: DARK_BLUE

Rohirrim: DARK_DARK_GREEN
Northmen: LIGHT_PURPLE
Dunlending: GRAY
Isengard: DARK_GRAY

Haradrim: YELLOW
Easterling: DARK_ORANGE
Angmar: RED

Shadow:

Mordor: DARK_RED
Angband: DARK_PURPLE

Khazâd:

Longbeard: BROWN
Broadbeams & Firebeards: LIGHT_BROWN
Unit List:


Worker
Slave
Settler
Warrior
Melee

Swordsman
Axeman
Swordsmaster
Long Swordsman
Infantry (axeman and swordsman both go here)
(only evil) Berserker (does collatoral damage during attack, attack is higher than defense)

Spears

Spearman
Phalanx
Pikeman

Archers

Bowman
Archer
Longbowman
Marksman
Crossbowman

Recon

Scout
Hunter
(only good) Ranger

Siege

Ram
Catapult
Trebuchet
Siege Tower

Mounted

Horsearchers

Mounted archer

Horseman

Horseman
Knight
Cavalry


Ships

Transports

Ship/Galley
Transport/Galleon

Warships

Warship
Siegeship/Quinquereme/Penteres
Great ship/Man'O'War/Ship of the Line

Misc

Workboat



Core Tech Tree:

AGE OF THE STARS:

Fishing:
- Requries: AGE OF THE STARS
Sailing:
- Requires: Fishing
Farming:
- Requires: AGE OF THE STARS
Hunting:
- Requires: AGE OF THE STARS
Domestication:
- Requires:: Farming or Hunting
Woodworking:
- Requires: AGE OF THE STARS
Stoneworking:
- Requires: Woodworking
Mining:
- Requires: Woodworking
Fortification:
- Requires: Domestication or Stoneworking & Woodworking
Writing:
- Requires: Stoneworking
Copperworking:
- Requires: Mining
Jewlery:
- Requires: Copperworking &/or Writing
Archery:
- Requires: Stoneworking & Woodworking

FIRST AGE OF THE SUN:
- Requires: AGE OF THE STARS, Sailing, Domestication, Fortification, Stoneworking, Writing & Jewelry

Horseback Riding:
- Requries: FIRST AGE OF THE SUN & Domestication
Trade:
- Requires: FIRST AGE OF THE SUN, Sailing, Writing &/or Farming or Horseback Riding
Stirrup:
- Requires: Horseback Riding
Bronzeworking:
- Requires: FIRST AGE OF THE SUN & Copperworking
Masonry:
- Requires: FIRST AGE OF THE SUN & Fortification or Stoneworking
Tradition Keeping:
- Requries: FIRST AGE OF THE SUN & Writing
Shipbuilding:
- Requires: FIRST AGE OF THE SUN, Woodworking, Sailing &/or Trade
Diplomacy:
- Requires: The Court
Mounted Combat:
- Requires: Stirrup
Bowyers:
- Requires: Archery
Construction:
- Requires: Masonry
Monarchy:
- Requires: Tradition Keeping
Poetry:
- Requires: FIRST AGE OF THE SUN, Tradition Keeping &/or Jewelry
Smithing:
- Requires: FIRST AGE OF THE SUN & Bronzeworking
Ironworking:
- Requries: FIRST AGE OF THE SUN & Bronzeworking
The Court:
- Requires: Masonry &/or Monarchy
Healing:
- Requires: Monarchy
Music:
- Requires: Tradition Keeping &/or Poetry
Armor:
- Requires: Smithing
Steel Weaponry:
- Requries: Smithing &/or Ironworking

SECOND AGE OF THE SUN:
- Requires: FIRST AGE OF THE SUN, Shipbuilding, Diplomacy, The Court, Music, Healing, Armor & Steel Weaponry

Navigation:
- Requires: SECOND AGE OF THE SUN & Shipguilding
Treaties:
- Requries: SECOND AGE OF THE SUN & Diplomacy
Naval Warfare:
- Requries: Navigation
Commerce:
- Requires: SECOND AGE OF THE SUN, Navigation & Diplomacy or Treaties
Cavalry Tactics:
- Requires: SECOND AGE OF THE SUN & Professional Armies
Sharpshooting:
- Requires: SECOND AGE OF THE SUN & Bowyers
Heraldry:
- Requries: SECOND AGE OF THE SUN, The Court, Healing &/or Music
Trade Posts:
- Requires: Commerce
Chivalry:
- Requries: Cavalry Tactics & The Court
Marksmanship:
- Requires: Sharpshooting
Engineering:
- Requries: SECOND AGE OF THE SUN & Construction
Literature:
- Requires: SECOND AGE OF THE SUN & Poetry
Professional Armies:
- Requires: SECOND AGE OF THE SUN, The Court, Heraldry & Armor or Steel Weapons
Mithril Working:
- Requries: SECOND AGE OF THE SUN, Iron Working & Smithing
Outposts:
- Requries: Naval Warfare &/or Trade Posts
Fortress Building:
- Requries: Engineering
History:
- Requires: Literature &/or Heraldry
Seige Warfare:
- Requires: Construction & Professional Armies
Infantry Tactics:
- Requires: Professional Armies
Council Of Wises:
- Requries: SECOND AGE OF THE SUN & Literacy

THIRD AGE OF THE SUN:
- Requires: SECOND AGE OF THE SUN, Naval Warfare, Outposts, Council Of Wises, Fortress Building, History & Professional Armies

Naval Tactics:
- Requries: THIRD AGE OF THE SUN, Strategy & Naval Warfare
Great Trade Routes:
- Requries: THIRD AGE OF THE SUN & Outposts or Trade Posts
Ballistics:
- Requires: THIRD AGE OF THE SUN, Seige Warfare & Marksmanship or Fortress Building
Strategy:
- Requires: THIRD AGE OF THE SUN & Professional Armies
Advanced Weaponry:
- Requires: THIRD AGE OF THE SUN & Mithril Working or Infantry Tactics
Machines:
- Requries: Specialized Smithing & Great Trade Routes
Mastery Of Mounted Warfare:
- Requires: THIRD AGE OF THE SUN, Heraldry, Chivalry & Military Training
Vassalage:
- Requires: THIRD AGE OF THE SUN & Fortress Building or Strategy
Stewardship:
- Requires: Vassalage & History or Monarchy
Alliances:
- Requires: Vassalage
Military Training:
- Requires: Vassalage &/or Composed Armies
Composed Armies:
- Requires: Strategy &/or Advanced Weaponry
Weapon Mastery:
- Requires: Heraldry, Military Training & Advanced Weaponry
Strategic Communication:
- Requries: Alliances
Total War:
- Requires: Alliances & Military Training or Weapon Mastery

FOURTH AGE OF THE SUN:
- Requires: THIRD AGE OF THE SUN, Machines, Strategic Communication & Total War
Specialized Smithing:
- Requires: FOURTH AGE OF THE SUN & Weapon Mastery
The Peace:
- Requires: FOURTH AGE OF THE SUN & Total War
Age Of Men:
- Requries: Machines & Specialized Smithing

Civ/Race Tech Tree:
Quendi:

Noldor: House of Fingolfin:
- Leadership

Noldor: House of Fëanor:
- Gem Cutting

Teleri:
- Great Travels, Shipcrafting, Mariner Tradition

Sindar:
- Nature Empathy

Vanyar:
- Ancient Lore

Good Men:

Númenor:
- Advanced Constuction, Shipcrafting, Expeditionary Force, Mariner Tradition

Arnor:
- Advanced Constuction, Watchtower Construction

Gondor:
- Advanced Constuction, Multilevel Construction

Edain:
- Elf Friend

Neutral Men:

Rohirrim:
- Horse Mastery, Horse Archery, Mearas Cultivation

Northmen:
- Nature Empathy, River Working, Enhanced Trade

Dunlending:
- Mercenary Guilds (National Unit, no Civ Identification)

Isengard:
- Industry, Uruk Breeding

Evil Men:

Haradrim:
- Horse Mastery, Mumakil Training, Piracy

Easterling:
- Horse Mastery, Wainriding, Charioteering

Angmar:
- Coruption of the Dead (Barrow-Wights)

Shadow:

Mordor:
- Tyrrany, Uruk Breeding

Angband:
- Tyrrany, Elven Corruption

Khazâd:

Longbeard:
- Expert Mining, Shaft Mining, Mithril Smithing

Broadbeams & Firebeards:
- Expert Mining

Techs with Prerequisites:

AGE OF THE STARS:

Leadership:
- Requires: Quendi: Noldor: House Of Fingolfin & AGE OF THE STARS
Ancient Lore:
- Requires: Quendi: Vanyar & Writing
Elven Corruption:
- Requires: Shadow: Angband & Slavery

FIRST AGE OF THE SUN:

Gem Cutting:
- Requires: Quendi: Noldor: House of Fëanor, Copperworking & Jewelry
Great Travels:
- Requires: Quendi: Teleri & FIRST AGE OF THE SUN
Nature Empathy:
- Requires: Quendi: Sindar/Northmen & FIRST AGE OF THE SUN
Elf Friend:
- Requires: Edain & Diplomacy
Tyrrany:
- Requires: Shadow Civ, Slavery & The Court

SECOND AGE OF THE SUN:

Shipcrafting:
- Requires: Numenor/Quendi: Teleri, SECOND AGE OF THE SUN
Advanced Constuction:
- Requries: Numenor/Arnor/Gondor & Engineering
Horse Mastery:
- Requires: Rohirrim/Easterlings/Haradrim & SECOND AGE OF THE SUN
River Working:
- Requires: Northmen & SECOND AGE OF THE SUN
Coruption of the Dead:
- Requires: Angmar & SECOND AGE OF THE SUN
Expert Mining:
- Requries: Khazad & Engineering
Mithril Smithing:
- Requires: Khazad & Mithril Working
Wainriding:
- Requires: Easterling & Horse Mastery

THIRD AGE OF THE SUN:

Mariner Tradition:
- Requires: Quendi: Teleri/Numenor & THIRD AGE OF THE SUN
Watchtower Construction:
Requries: Arnor, Advanced Construction & THIRD AGE OF THE SUN
Multilevel Construction:
- Requires: Gondor, Advanced Construction & THIRD AGE OF THE SUN
Horse Archery:
- Requries: Rohirrim, Horse Mastery & THIRD AGE OF THE SUN
Uruk Breeding:
- Requires: Isendgard/Shadow: Mordor & THIRD AGE OF THE SUN
Mumakil Training:
- Requries: Haradrim, Horse Mastery & THIRD AGE OF THE SUN
Shaft Mining:
- Requries: Khazad: Longbeard, Expert Mining & THIRD AGE OF THE SUN
Mercenary Guilds:
- Requies: Dunlending & THIRD AGE OF THE SUN
Piracy:
- Requires: Haradrim & Naval Tactics
Charioteering:
- Requries: Easterling & THIRD AGE OF THE SUN
Expeditionary Force:
- Requires: Numenor & Composed Armies
Mearas Cultivation:
- Requries: Rohirrim, Horse Mastery & Mastery of Mounted Warfare
Enhanced Trade:
- Requries: Northmen & Great Trade Routes
Industry:
- Requires: Isengard & Machines

FOURTH AGE OF THE SUN:
NONE
Religions:

Worship of the Shadow
Leaders & King Units List:

Quendi:

Noldor:

House of Fingolfin:
Leaders: Fingolfin, Gil-Galad

House of Fëanor:
Leaders: Fëanor

Teleri:
Leaders: Olwë, Cirdan

Sindar:
Leaders: Thranduil, Elu Thingol, Elrond

Vanyar:
Leaders: Ingwë

Good Men:

Númenor:
Leaders: Elros Tar-Minyatur, Ar-Pharazôn, Tar-Minastir

Arnor:
Leaders: Elendil, Arvedui, Aragorn II

Gondor:
Leaders: Islidur, Hyarmendacil I, Aragorn II

Edain:
Leaders: Bëor, Haleth, Hador

Neutral Men:

Rohirrim:
Leaders: Théoden, Éorl, Helm Hammerhand

Northmen: [Dale, Lake-Men and Beornings]
Leaders: Beorn, Bard

Dunlending:
Leaders: Freca

Isengard:
Leaders: Saruman

Evil Men:

Haradrim:
Leaders: Herumor, Fuinur

Easterling:
Leaders: Bor, Ulfang

Angmar:
Leaders: Witch-king

Shadow:

Mordor:
Leaders: Sauron

Angband:
Leaders: Morgoth

Khazâd:

Longbeard:
Leaders: Durin, Thorin Oakenshield, Dain

Broadbeams & Firebeards:
Leaders: Azaghâl, Telchar
Hero Units:


Quendi:

Noldor:

House of Fingolfin:

Heroes: Glorfindel

House of Fëanor:

Heroes: "Sons of Fëanor" * Special


Teleri:

Heroes: Eärwen (Daughter of Olwe, Mother of Galadriel)

Sindar:

Heroes: Legolas

Vanyar:

Heroes: Indis


Good Men:

Númenor:

Heroes: Valandil

Arnor:

Heroes: Halbarad

Gondor

Heroes: Boromir

Edain:

Heroes: Beren


Neutral Men:

Rohirrim:

Heroes: Éomer

Northmen [Dale and Beornings]:

Heroes: Brand

Dunlending:

Heroes: Wulf

Isengard:

Heroes: Grima Wormtongue


Evil Men:

Haradrim:

Heroes: Castamir

Easterling:

Heroes: Brodda

Angmar:

Heroes: Eärnur


Shadow:

Mordor:

Heroes: The Mouth Of Sauron

Angband:

Heroes: Glaurung


Khazâd:

Longbeard:

Heroes: Gimli

Broadbeams & Firebeards:

Heroes: Gamil Zirak



Civilizations:

Quendi:

Noldor: House of Fingolfin
Noldor: House of Fëanor
Teleri
Sindar
Vanyar

Good Men:

Númenor
Arnor
Gondor
Edain

Neutral Men:

Rohirrim
Northmen
Dunlending
Isengard

Evil Men:

Haradrim
Easterling
Angmar

Shadow:

Mordor
Angband

Khazâd:

Longbeard
Broadbeams & Firebeards


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* = In regards to the Dwarves, we can add these other Fathers for a scenario sometime perhaps (Ironfists, Stiffbeards, Blacklocks & Stonefoots).
Alignments:
Quendi:

Noldor: House of Fingolfin - GOOD
Noldor: House of Fëanor - NEUTRAL
Teleri - GOOD
Sindar - NEUTRAL (GOOD, faster than most)
Vanyar - PERMANENT GOOD

Men:

Nûmenor - NEUTRAL
Arnor - NEUTRAL (GOOD)
Gondor - NEUTRAL (GOOD)
Edain - GOOD
Rohirrim - NEUTRAL (GOOD)
Northmen - NEUTRAL (GOOD)
Dunlending - NEUTRAL (EVIL)
Isengard - NEUTRAL (EVIL, faster than most)
Haradrim - NEUTRAL (EVIL)
Easterling - NEUTRAL (EVIL)
Angmar - EVIL

Shadow:

Mordor - PERMANENT EVIL
Angband - PERMANENT EVIL

Khazâd:

Longbeard - NEUTRAL (GOOD)
Broadbeams & Firebeards - NEUTRAL (GOOD)
City Lists:
City Lists:

Quendi:

Noldor: House of Fingolfin:
19 Cities

TIRION - Capital
MITHRIM
DRENGIST
HITHLUM
VINYAMAR
NEVRAST
GONDOLIN
ERED_LÓMIN
EITHEL_SIRION
ARVENIEN
MITHLOND
FORLOND
HARLOND
LINDON
IMLADRIS
LOSDOR
AMON_CELEB
ERYN_LAUREGLIN
EITHEL_IVRIN
Noldor: House of Fëanor:
19 Cities

FORMENOS - Capital
NARGOTHROND
BAR-ERIB
HAVEN_OF_SIRION
HIMRING
MARCH_OF_MAEDHROS
LOTHLANN
THARGELION
AGLON_PASS
MAGLOR'S_GAP
HIMLAD
HELEVORN
EAST_BELERIAND
OST-IN-EDHIL
EREGION
HELKLAD
MIRGROD
ESGALIEN
SEREGION
Teleri:
21 Cities

ALQUALONDË - Capital
AVALLÓNË
TOL_ERESSËA
ELDAMAR
ELENDË
ARAMAN
AVATHAR
KORTIRION
ALAMINÓRË
TARUITHORN
TAVROBEL
KOROMAS
ENEADUR
MAR_VANWA_TYALIÉVA
GRUIR
AFROS
ÍVERIN
ELGAREST
BRITHOMBAR
EDHELLOND
SUNDIRI
Sindar:
19 Cities

MENEGROTH - Capital
DORIATH
NELDORETH
EGLADOR
REGION
SIRION VALE
NAN ELMOTH
CARAS_GALADHON
DIMBAR
EITHEL_IVRIN
ANACH
ARD-GALEN
LOTHLÓRIEN
CERIN_AMROTH
ERYN_LASGALEN
CELEBRANT_FIELD
EAST_LÓRIEN
ITHILIEN
METHED-EN-GLAD
CAMETH_BRIN
Vanyar:
21 Cities:

VALIMAR - Capital
TANIQUETIL
SHINING_PLAIN
CALACIRYA
MANSIONS_OF_AULË
FIELDS_OF_YAVANNA
HALLS_OF_NIENNA
LÓRIEN
MANDOS
WOODS_OF_OROMË
TOL_ESTË
EZELLOHAR
FASKALEN
PELÓRI
ILMARIN
TARMENEL
HYARMENTIR
LAST_SHORE
HANSTOVANEN
KALORMË
MURMURAN

Good Men:

Númenor:
27 Cities

ARMENELOS - Capital
ALMAIDA
NINDAMOS
CALMINDON
ONDOSTO
ELDALONDË
RÓMENNA
ANDÚNIË
SORONTIL
NOIRINAN
NÍSIMALDAR
ELDANNA BAY
EMERIË
FOROSTAR
ANDUSTAR
HYARNUSTAR
HYARROSTAR
ORROSTAR
ARANDOR
VINYALONDË
ANBALUKKHÔR
ZADAN-AN-ADÛN
ARHAZÚN-TARÎK
AZRULÔNI
ALKATHÔNDA
TANTÛRAK
SARÛL
Arnor:
24 Cities

ANNÚMINAS - Capital
FORNOST
THARBAD
LOND_DAER
AMON_SÚL
ENEROND
MAENTHIROS
ELOSTIRION
TYRN_GORTHAD
ARTHEDAIN
CARDOLAN
RHUDAUR
ARGOND
THAENDOR
BARAD_GIRITHLIN
TALSIR
ERYN_VORN
NENUIAL
EMYN_UIAL
EMYN_BERIAD
BREE
ARCHET
COOMBE
STADDLE
Gondor:
24 Cities

OSGILIATH - Capital
MINAS_ANOR
MINAS_ITHIL
PELARGIR
DOL AMROTH
UMBAR
LINHIR
IMLOTH_MELUI
CALEMBEL
ETHRING
PINNATH_GELIN
CORMALLEN
LEBENNIN
EMYN_ARNEN
PELENNOR
CAIR_ANDROS
ANFALAS
LOND_ERNIL
TOL_FALAS
GLANHIR
BARAD_HARN
HENNETH_ANNUN
HARONDOR
TARNOST
ERECH
Edain:
21 Cities

DOR-LÓMIN - Capital
ESTOLAD
LADROS
BRITHON
GLITHUI
RINGWIL
SNOWTHORN
RIVIL
ARROSIACH
AELUIN
ANDRAM
DIMROST
NAROG_VALE
RILDOLACH
NIRMOLIAN
ATHILIN
TOL_MORWEN
NÚMERIADOR
TALATH_RHUNEN
TOL_GALEN
BRETHIL
Neutral Men:

Rohirrim:
24 Cities

EDORAS
DUNHARROW
EASTFOLD
WESTFOLD
WOLD
UNDERHARROW
UPBOURNE
CALENHAD
MIN-RIMON
ERELAS
NARDOL
DERNDINGLE
DOL_BARAN
FOLDE
EAST_EMNET
WEST_EMNET
HELM'S_DEEP
FENMARCH
HALIFIRIEN
FIRIENFIELD
ENTWASH
GRIMSLADE
ONODRITH
DUNLOSTIR
Northmen:
22 Cities

DALE - Capital
FRAMSBERG
RIAVAD
CELDUIN_PLAIN
CARNEN
ÉOTHÉOD
ESGAROTH
EAST_RHOVANION
DORWINION
RHOSGOBEL
EAST_BIGHT
LANGWELL
GREYLIN
LIMLIGHT
CARROCK
LONG_LAKE
LOEG_NIGLORON
BEORN_HALL
OLD_FORD
NINDALF
SARN_GEBIR
PARTH_GALEN

Dunlendings:
20 Cities

DUN_LARACH - Capital
SÚDURI
ALCLUD
CARRAS
CAIRINN
CIRCINN
SMETRIU
FORTRIU
LUGIU
MAOLFINN
MAOLRUNAIDH
DAELMOTH
BARAD_COLGRIN
DRÚWAITH_IAUR
HARROWDALE
THRIHYNE
DWIMORBURG
METHEDRAS
STARKHORN
ANGREN_VALE

Isengard:
1 City, 10 Settlements

ISENGARD - Capital
ANGRENOST
NAN_CURUNIR
FORDS_OF_ISEN
CALENARDHON
METHEDRAS
WIZARD'S_VALE
PITS_OF_ISENGARD
TREEGARTH_OF_ORTHANC
RING_OF_ISENGARD
MOUNT_FANG

Evil Men:

Haradrim:
24 Cities

ÛREZÂYAN - Capital
HAR_SHULAM
KORLEA
NÎLÛLONDË
NARÎK-ZADAN
NYKKEA
HAZAJ_TOLLIN
KAS_TORATH
TELARÛD
BÛR_ESMER
ZIMRÉNZIL
SAZ_NEJJA
KHIBIL_EPHALAK
URUD-AN_KHIBIL
AYAL_KOYREN
ASAYT_HOR
DEZFUL
TARKHESH
BÛR_SAKAL
SORIYA
CARYALON
EMELCYN
MAIADH
VIERNAG
Easterling:
22 Cities

HILDÓRIEN - Capital
KYKURIAN_KYN
LURS_VORGANIS
LYGAW_KRAW
CHEY_SART
DALPYGIS
DHAHT
HEB_AARAAN
ORGOTHRAATH
RELMETHER
ÛSTER_KRYL
VAAG
ZYRAS
SIMOR
NHAAG
ARG-SÎMORÎG
KA'ISH
LÓCHAS_DRÛS
CUIVAC_WÔMAW
GÔAK
WÔMAWAS_DRÛS
RÔLFANDAS
Angmar:
20 Cities

CARN_DÛM - Capital
ANGSÛL
PHALURAN
MORKAI
SHEDÛN
CARGASH
LITASH
TROLLSHAWS
WRAKYABURG
ESTRAVI
MORVA_TARTH
GOBLIN_GATE
KORELA
VENETHI
CAMETH_BRIN
PINNATH_AEGRING
THUIN_BOID
FENNAS_DRÚNIN
ASPAR
MATHLOR

Shadow:

Mordor:
15 Cities

BARAD-DÛR - Capital
MINAS_MORGUL
DAGORLAD
NÚRNEN
EMYN_MUIL
LITHLAD
MORGAI
DURTHANG
TORECH_UNGOL
NARCHOST
CARCHOST
UDÛN
GOBLIN_TOWN
CARACH_ANGREN
CALMIRI
Angband:
14 Cities

UTUMNO - Capital
THANGORODRIM
TARN_AELUIN
ANGAMANDI
ANFAUGLITH
ANGAINOR
NAN_DUNGORTHEB
DOR-DAEDELOTH
TOL-IN_GAUROTH
ERED_ENGRIN
ERED_GORGOROTH
CIRITH_GORGOR
UDÛN
LOTHLANN

Khazâd:

Longbeard:
18 Cities

KHAZAD-DÛM - Capital
MOUNT_GUNDABAD
EREBOR
ERED_MITHRIM
IRON_HILLS
ERED_LUIN
AZUNALBIZAR
KHELED-ZÂRAM
BARAZINBAR
ZIRAK-ZIGAL
BUNDUSHATHÛR
AGLAROND
HITHAEGLIR
ERED_LITHUI
ERED_NIMRAIS
WITHERED_HEATH
BARL_SYRNAC
MOUNT_GRAM
Broadbeams & Firebeards:
19 Cities

NOGROD - Capital
BELEGOST
NULUKKIZDÎN
NAN-I-NAUGRIM
SARN_ATHRAD
ERED_LINDON
NIBIN-NOGRIM
TALATH_MUIL
LHÚN_VALLEY
MOUNT_DOLMED
PITKÄRANTA
TUMNOGOTH_IAUR
EGENYAR
LANTHIR_LAMATH
BARNAS
ANGOTH
MOUNT_RERIR
AMONLANC
URD
Resources & Improvements:
(regular bonusses) (bonusses with improvement)

Fishing Boats:

- Fish (+1food) (+3food,+1:health:)
- Clams (+1food) (+2food,+1:health:)
- Crab (+1food) (+2food,+1:health:)
- Whale (+1food) (+1hammers, +2commerce,+1:))

Farm:

- Wheat (+1food) (+2food,+1:health:)
- Corn (+1food) (+2food,+1:health:)
- Rice (+1food) (+1food,+1:health:)

Plantation:

- Athelas (+1food) (+1food, +3commerce,+1:health:)
- Pipeweed (+1commerce) (+1food, +3commerce,+1:))
- Sugar (+1food) (+1food, +1commerce,+1:))
- Spices (+1commerce) (+1food, +2commerce,+1:))
- Silk (+1commerce) (+3commerce,+1:))
- Banana (+1food) (+2food,+1:health:)
- Dye (+1commerce) (+4commerce,+1:))
- Incense (+1commerce) (+5commerce,+1:))

Winery:

- Wine (+1commerce) (+1food, +2commerce,+1:))

Mine:

- Copper (+1hammers) (+3hammers)
- Iron (+1hammers) (+3hammers)
- Mithril (2-4 Resources only depending on # of Dwarven Civs & Map Size) (+2hammers) (+5hammers)
- Gold (+1commerce) (+2hammers, +5commerce,+1:))
- Silver (+1commerce) (+1hammers, +5commerce,+1:))
- Gems (+1commerce) (+1hammers, +6commerce,+1:))

Quarry:

- Marble (+1hammers) (+1hammers, +2commerce)
- Stone (+1hammers) (+2hammers)
- Black Stone (+1hammers) (+2hammers, +2commerce)

Pasture:

- Horse (+1hammers) (+2hammers, +1commerce)
- Cow (+1food) (+1food, +2hammers,+1:health:)
- Sheep (+1food) (+2food, +1commerce,+1:health:)
- Pig (+1food) (+3food,+1:health:)

Camp:

- Deer (+1commerce) (+2commerce,+1:health:)
- Fur (+1commerce) (+3commerce,+1:))
- Camel (+1food) (+1food, +1hammers, +1commerce,+1:health:)

Other:

- Lumbermill (n/a) (+1hammers, +1commerce (next to river))
- Workshop (n/a) (-1food,+1hammers, +1commerce)
- Watermill (n/a) (+1hammers, +1commerce)
- Windmill (n/a) (+1food,+1hammers, +1commerce)
- Cottage (n/a) (+1commerce)
- Hamlet (n/a) (+2commerce)
- Village (n/a) (+3commerce)
- Town (n/a) (+4commerce)
- Farm (n/a) (+1food (With irrigation)
- Fort n/a (+25% defence)
- Cart Path n/a (+1 movement)
- Road n/a (+2 movement)
- Paved Road n/a (+3 movement)

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Updated the list to inlcude the Religions List.

Updated the list to include the Leaders & King Units List.

Updated the list to include the Hero List.

Updated the list to include the Core Tech Tree List.

Updated the list to include the Unit List.

Updated the list to include the Colour Code List.

Updated the list to include the Great People List.

Updated the list to include the Civ/Race Tech Tree List.

2 minor points re: City Lists.

1) The name HILDORIEN (Easterling capital) is duplicated in the Edain list. Substitute TALATH RHUNEN for the Edain?

2) The last name on the Angband list, DAGOR DAGORATH, refers to the prophesied final battle - not a city. Substitute FOROCHEL or LOTHLANN perhaps?

You correct. I will do that asap!

You guys have made a lot of progress! This Mod looks great! I can't wait!

Sorry.. another little gripe... :blush:

1) You've got UDÛN in the city lists of both Shadow civs. Substitute SHELOB'S LAIR for Mordor? Or HAUDH-EN-NIRNAETHfor Angband?

2) Aragorn II is listed as a leader for both Arnor & Gondor. Wouldn't look very good if 2 civs with the same leader appear in the same game... Substitute Denethor II for Gondor?

WOW, this mod still lives?

Yup ^_^

@Pariah: We agreed on doubling Aragorn II to signify both that he was king of the Reunited Kingdom and that he was the leader of the Rangers. Feel free to bring that up in the leaders debate thread if you don't like it.

Indeed. We also hope to be able to have a system in place that would eliminate a doubling of the leader. Thus if a player chooses Aragorn, then the Computer would not.

Also on the city list, please bring it up there if you wish. We have eliminated some doubling, however, based on tolkiens maps, some names do indeed appear in multiple places depending on the age. I tried to use some of the older lists and tried my best to leave out locations for names and only use cities by some had to change.

However, as T F mentioned, feel free to bring it up if you really wish to reopen the discussion in those threads.

Also, yes indeed, this Mod still lives. A little slow at the moment because many of the members are busy with exams, but still quite alive since the restart in early March!

How much longer till this Mod is ready? And, how much progress have you made (In terms of what percent of the mod is finished)?

We have finally begun some of the coding and modifying of the base code we are using. It is still a while away unfortunately, but progress is being made. Since we had to restart from the groudn up, we had to rethink almost everything that had been done previously.

I'm glad to here that you are still working on this mod. I am a big fan of J. R. R. Tolkien's Middle Earth , from The Silmirilian to the Lord of the Rings, even though I only saw the movies. I hope you don't get discouraged and you keep up the great work. Good Luck!

Wow,

Now this is what I call a surprise!

Wow,

Now this is what I call a surprise!

Well, you kinda asked for it ;)

I stand in awe of the accomplishments, and yet also am forced to question an apparent oversight. Why do Hobbits not appear as a playable race? One could argue, yes, that their influence over the affairs of Middle Earth were minimal, when considered as a nation. But they controlled a sizable amount of territory and were uninvolved primarily because they dwelt in a peaceable region isolated from the concerns of other people. In a more dangerous territory they may have demonstrated a more militaristic outlook, or at least a greater aptitude for combat. Certainly the Scourging of the Shire implies as much.
I propose, therefore, such an addition. Possibly using Meriadoc Brandybuck and Peregrin Took as leaders (since both assumed offices of importance after their adventures) and Bilbo Baggins as hero. Aligned Neutral (leaning Good), starting perhaps with agricultural techs.

We are trying to include Hobbits but in a different aspect. Perhaps we can add them in as an optional Civ at a later time, but for the first release, they will be left out as a full Civ of their own.

GOOD . .. .. .. .ING LUCK. i know this is a specific thread but i would like to ask how your mixing both Middle earth and beleriand and all that? two map types? Just interested. Im . .. .. .. . at coding but if theirs anything at all i can help with ide only be to happy. if not then I hope you manage it cus it would be bloody fantastic. GOOD LUCK

Well, we have a couple of map types we are working on. We want to keep those a bit of a surprise however. We also want this working on random maps for people as well. Don't worry about the maps, they are coming along nicely!

Huge fan of both LOTR and Civ. Would love to be a tester when you get to that stage. (: (:

good mods are worth waiting for though.

Glad to hear it. Things are moving a bit slow at the moment due to vacations and compiling and what not! As soon as we have something ready to go, we will let people know!

Maybe complete a like, Rohan/Gondor/Isengard and Mordor and have a The Third Age test Modpack. :)

Anything else? You can bump the threads you need most stuff on: some of us like me are not posting becuase no-one else is posting.

A test modpack would be a good idea, test some of the more basic stuff before doing too much work on top of it.

some of us like me are not posting becuase no-one else is posting.
I also fall into this category.

I agree. A test modpack is a good idea. That way, you can get feedback on the mod BEFORE it is finished, so you can address problems and/or things that people don't like, or would want to have in the mod.

Still here :) Waiting currently for the new version of flavourmod. When that is out, we should be able to merge broader allignment in and then start the xml work.

Berenthor is quite correct!

It's out!! Work can commence again :)

hey i just want to put in a good word of support for this mod! I look forward to battling through Arda!

Just a thought instead of doubling Aragorn you could use Elessar for for gondor. When he was crowned king his full ruling name was Elessar Telcontar ("Elfstone Strider"). Which is also the name that was put in the historical records.

Maa, it's been so long since anything happened I had to go check the finalized leaders list to reply T_T

I vaguely remember an idea that Aragorn leading Arnor was Aragorn as a ranger, and that Aragorn leading Gondor was Elessar. I can't remember if that's exactly what we ended up going with.

@the1sean: Thanks! Things are a bit slow ATM since the people who actually know how to code have other obligations right now. Hopefully things get better soon.

Thats cool, perfection takes time :goodjob:

No. I pretty much rush through everything.

cant wait for this to be ready

Hi guy's, is this Mod still in the development stages, or has the idea been shelved?

I don't know. ATM we just seem to be plagued with 'no new replies'. Feel free to revive any discussions (besides the finalized ones) that you think could use revival.

T_F is correct. Our programmers however seem to be MIA.

It's not me that's missing in action really, but my spare time. I'm really hoping for things to settle down in the next month, but don't count on anything until the second half of February.

That is all right Sengir! Thanks for updating us though! :)

You guys have made a lot of progress! This Mod looks great! I can't wait!

I totally agree!!!:borg:

Any certain release time???:confused:

Great fun readng you threads!

Indeed, Sengir, it's fine ^_^ Good luck normalizing your schedule.

@Basimrocks: Thanks ^_^
AFAIK with Sengir's schedule, we don't have any idea on a release time.

Question: I'm trying to keep my own administration with the excel sheet and printed out stuff up to date. I saw you changed the first post. What was changed?

The only thing I have changed recently is the date. No worries :)