THIS SUIT WILL BE DROPPED IF THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS WILL BE MET:
A PRICE SLASH TO 50 GOLD FOR ISSUES 6 AND ON. THAT IS ALL THE BANK ASKS.
(hey, the justice department let Microsoft off)
Welcome to the 1st BI. The rules are simple. Follow the rules of a PI and its all about the Benjamins (this one in particular).
The charges against Donsig are overpricing of a magazine. At the time, he was (and still is) a monopoly. Thus he felt it right to charge 100 gold for a three week subscription to a magazine.


SaaM
Power Hungry Deputy and now a Lawyer.

Wait a cotten pickin' minute. AP&N are my lawyers! I'm not making any pleas in this case until I hear from my lawyer.

Can lawyers work agains't their own firm?

BTW, donsig, if you need a lawyer, I charge a (rather large) nominal fee...

Originally posted by Octavian X
Can lawyers work agains't their own firm?

BTW, donsig, if you need a lawyer, I charge a (rather large) nominal fee...

Well, AP&N aren't part of the bank are they?

Large fees - better watch out or the BI man will get you!

SAaM, I think Donsig has a retainer of the services of AP&N.

AP&N did accept retainer and services contracts from the bank based on a PM. That was before I read this thread and discovered AP&N had been declared the bank's attorneys well before I had accepted. This is neither legal nor prudent.

As a result of this outrageous behavior, AP&N is refusing service to the bank at this time. We will represent our existing client, donsig, if he wishes.

stuck where was the discussion?
if he wants to charge that much he can just if he charges too much no-one will by it i dont see why this is even hear unless it is to wind up donsig so i am requesting closure

I think if we wanted to test out the mechanics of a BI we could find no better candidate. It's traditional to procecute Donsig for his every move. In face, I think we need another book of laws filled with things we can procecute Donsig for, not for PIs or BIs but for DIs. We could even set up a special court for him and ease the burden on the Judiciary.

I for one hopes he chooses to defend himself. That way he'll be both defence council and procecutor as he is filling in for Danke as JA!!

but i dont think he needs to defend himself as he has done nothing wrong

BCLG is right, so what if it is 20-30g an issue? he deserves it for the amoutn of information he puts in the newsletter he rights. if it gets too expensive then no one will buy it. SAaM there is nothing wrong with it.

Mind you, I write a newspaper and don't charge anything. I do it as a service to all Bohemians.

@aj- prescisly. here we are with a free newspaper, a cheaper newspaper, and then this one. 3 issues for 100 gold. i am willing to drop this entire suit if donsig would just lower the price. and regarding discussion- it says in the bank cos that we have the right to do this if we fear a monopoly is being formed.
donsig- lowering price would mean around 50 for what you have now. i wont even demand a refund. just a price slash. i believe this is an extreemly fair offer.

there were magazinees in 4000 B.C :confused:

stuck if you dont want to pay for it you dont have to if he sells it that much and people dont want it hell have to put his price down but until people arnt buying it he should be able to keep them as it is

also stuck before starting this you should have pmd me or one of the other game managers to see what they thought

OK, everyone calm down and take a deep breath. No more Donsig this or SAAM that, please. I won't buy the paper, personally. I really don't think it's a decent price. Please, no more. It would tear us apart.

SAaM, it is a subscription is 5 issues for 100g, 20g an issue, or 30g without subscription. I think it is right, but i have no interest in reading it, so i don't pay, duh.

Defense statement

Shaitan of Apro, Poe & Nuffin representing the defendant, donsig.

My client pleads not guilty. The charge levelled is overpricing. There are further allegations of monopolization. Although these later charges are not itemized in the charges we will respond to them as well.

First point of defense
The charge of overpricing is completely unsound and based on a gross error. The Bank alleges that my client is grossly overcharging for his newsletter, claiming that it is unfairly priced in comparison to other newsletters. AP&N is the publisher of the other regular subscription newsletter in Fanatika. The price of AP&N's publication is 35g per term. There are a minimum of 2 issues scheduled per term. This yields a maximum price of 17.5g per issue, subscription price. The defendant's newsletter is priced at a comparable 20g per issue, subscription price.

The bank also compares my client's newsletter against a free publication. This is an apples to oranges comparison. There is no estimate of market value on a publication that is distributed at no charge. It therefore cannot be used as an indicator of the price of my client's newsletter.

Second point of defense
The bank's allegation of overpricing is convincingly and soundly proven false given the voluntary subscription to said newsletter. Examination of the RPG participation poll (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=30667) at this time shows 10 respondents who have stated they will play in the RPG. donsig's posted subscription listing (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=31144) shows 16 subscribers. More people are willing to pay 20g per issue for his newsletter than are even willing to admit to participation in the RPG. His subscribers constitute over 3/4 of a quorum of citizens all by themselves. This can only be considered massive participation and all of these people subscribed willingly, believing that the value of the product received exceeded the cost.

I am out of time at the moment but will continue the defense at a later date.

3rd point rpg manager is behind donsig if he wants to price it that high people wont buy it if its too high

Defense statement, continued

This section deals with the charges of monopoly and then enumerates my client's countersuit against the bank.

Third point of defense
The allegation that my client's newsletter constitutes a monopoly are totally without merit. At this time there are 2 other publications available to the public (Apro, Poe & Nuffin's Behind the Bench and Almightyjosh's newspaper). As both of these other publications are available and read by their respective subscribers, my client's newsletter cannot possibly be considered a monopoly.

Countersuit

Apro, Poe & Nuffin, representing donsig, does hereby file countersuit in this case. We allege that the Bank has filed this suit frivolously and done grievous injury to our client. We seek reparations in the ammount of 10,000 gold for pain and suffering, defamation of character, harrasment and villainy. We also seek complete recompense for all legal fees related to the defense of this case.

As laid out in our defense, we have proven beyond a doubt that the charges and allegations against donsig are completely without merit. That these charges should come from an official institution is reprehensible. Such irresponsible action must be punished severely both to provide proper recompense to the wrongly accused and to serve as a deterent to future abuses.

Goody! We've lowered ourselves to the level of modern society and are asking for outrageuos amounts of money for the most pointless things! I see progress...

lol
but the thing is you dont have to buy it

10,000 gold?!?!? not from my personal account...
im willing to give gold from the bank if donsig agress to lower the price. i feel that this would be a fair compromise. also, im still looking to hire APN as the official lawyers of the bank.
regarding the monopoly- yes, there are other newspapers. AJ's paper is free, though. Yours costs as much as donsigs, but comes with a legal retainer service. microsoft was a monopoly, but there were others in its fields.

the offense is willing to settle this case here and now with the following deal:
Point 1- Donsig will lower his price to 50 gold for issues 6 and on.
Point 2- Donsig will recieve 5000 gold in grievances from the bank.
Point 3- This case will be considered as SaaM being angry after finding he is in a forigen language class full of morons.
Point 4- The case will be dismissed, the thread closed, ill continue reciving the paper, the Bank will hire APN as its lawyers and we will go on with our daily lives.
Point 5- I demand that all the people of Santa Poco.. wait, thats the Three Amigoes

i think we should drop the case without changing prices and without giving 5000 gold to donsig

yes, why give hime 5,000 gold?

the reasons for that is simple-
1- I plan on hiring APN as the legal team for the bank. I give them what they want, I get them as lawyers.
2- Its a 14 year old v the guy who wrote the COS, COL, Constitution. How the hell am I supposed to win?

SAam. If you think his prices are too high, don't buy his paper. Personally, I find this publication useful, and so I am willing to pay good money for it. Since most other businesses in the RPG do not give you anything real for your money, I would be willing to pay even more for this paper than say, a light sabre, a castle, etc. You should probably just drop your suit before Shaitan takes you for everything you are worth...:lol:

@ Stuck- As the Lord Master of the Jedi Knights, I think you should drop this case.
@ eyrei- Buy a lightsaber? I didn't see that.

the deal is the droppage. also, too late. its already been done. i dun hav 5000 gold!

Originally posted by Zarn
@ eyrei- Buy a lightsaber? I didn't see that.

It was a comparison to show the value of this publication to those who do not really participate wholeheartedly in the RPG.

if people r stupid enough to buy this paper, then let it go. more money for you, as people are going to have to take out loans to pay for their newspaper subscriptions :)

Originally posted by Stuck_As_a_Mac
the offense is willing to settle this case here and now with the following deal:
Point 1- Donsig will lower his price to 50 gold for issues 6 and on.
Point 2- Donsig will recieve 5000 gold in grievances from the bank.
Point 3- This case will be considered as SaaM being angry after finding he is in a forigen language class full of morons.
Point 4- The case will be dismissed, the thread closed, ill continue reciving the paper, the Bank will hire APN as its lawyers and we will go on with our daily lives.
Point 5- I demand that all the people of Santa Poco.. wait, thats the Three Amigoes
We will accept points 2 and 3.

Point 1 is not acceptable. As I have stated, Behind the Bench does not come with services. It is priced at approximately 17.5g per issue. There is a current short running promotion that gives the newsletter for free when a 3 term retainer is prepaid. In this case, the newsletter is a bonus item or extra and is provided at no charge when the major item (retained services) is purchased. My client's newsletter is comparably priced to that of AP&N.

We have conclusively proven that my client's newsletter is not overpriced and bares favorably in an open market.

Point 4 is acceptable except for the point regarding APN. That is a separate issue and cannot be combined with this BI.

i will remove the provlem in point four. instead of lowering the price, how about this: more issues. is 6 for 100 okay? if this is okay, ill dismiss the case. dont bother me now. im eating.

I think the bank shouldnt pay 5000gold. It must pay the lawyer costs of donsig though.

But anyways, will that hurt the bank? I think we must implement a budget for the rpg-principle businesses, so they dont have endless money to play with :-P

Originally posted by Stuck_As_a_Mac
i will remove the provlem in point four. instead of lowering the price, how about this: more issues. is 6 for 100 okay? if this is okay, ill dismiss the case. dont bother me now. im eating.
Settlement accepted.

if we give donsig 5000 gold then he will have a huge step up on everyone and everyone will start wanting BI's

Au contraire. It's a very nice influx into the economy. So far, very little has been done in the game. This will hopefully spark some things.

other than donsi being brilliantely rich i dont see how

Donsig (and I) are going to be pumping money into the economy. Our RPG is dependent on people buying things. That puts money in the hands of other players so they can buy things, which puts money in the hands of other players...etc.

Lots of people have lots of money right now but it isn't worth a drowned fig to the game itself if it stays in their bank accounts. A nice chunck of blow money may help us get this game kick started.

In any case, the only thing that matters here is my client was the victim of a frivolous lawsuit that could have resulted in his business income being cut in half. That's very serious. With that much at stake a large reward is more than justified.

I would like a bi on the price manager, cause i had to wait one week to open up my business ;-) estimate income loss: 100 gold/day... not calculated longterm loss ;-)

But to get real now:
I think its ok. It just neednt be SO much ;-)
Anyways: Pumping money to the economy was the reason for me getting his newspaper subscription ;-)

okay. just post this in the FRA and it will be done in the next update