The Domestic Department is seeking input from the public on the City Placement plans below. The first one is the Departments current plan, with 5 new cities placed around the Capital. The second is a plan proposed by DaveShack in Term 1. Please review the following plans and submit your input below. Thanks.

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I believe our next city should secure the Incense to the NE. Then we should send our next Settler West to the river (no aqueduct). Then, again West, but then South to secure all of the Commerce from the Hibernian Bay to the SW of Tara. After that, almost due South of Tara for another port City. Then NW to give us our fifth port City. We may want to consider a port City SE of Moira after that, but there may be other opportunities revealed at that time.

Once again, I have posted DaveShack's map.

Which city works the wheat which is off screen to the west in the first map?

Exactly, off-screen. That Wheat is a bit too far off for our first ring of cities (IMO). Probably looking at a city down the line to cover that Wheat. If we weren't looking at such a loose first ring, maybe we could send a lone Settler out to produce Workers. But I'd say the 6th city out (maybe not) and it would be in the NE corner of your western pink.

looks good to me.

It's hard to place the cities closer because that would really waste a lot of land on the outside. The outer cities beyond the ones in these plans should probably be closer together for mutual support. :)

Our next city by the incense is the same in both cases. I think I prefer Daveshack's plan, but keep meaning to add the extra NE/N cities to fill in the gaps but just haven't had time yet.

I favor DaveShack's map because of the placement of those 3 western cities. Move Cyc's #5 one spot SW and I'd say it's complete.

As to the order of settlement, obviously the coastal hill is first priority. After that, strike westward and save those two southeastern spots for a bit later.

Looks good to me.

The coastal hill is already created. It's called "city 3 to be named". ;)

Was that wink for me, Dave you sexy thing you?

Seriously, I think the general opinion is to go with your map. The yellow to the SW seems the obvious choice. If that's not what you're looking for, my friend, you should probably wink more until I get it. ;)

There are some fog tiles in both our maps that can be filled in now. Maybe check to see if any of the western cities need to be moved to account for what was revealed? I don't know offhand.

I re-did the cities on the current map last night, but haven't had to to crop, resize and post yet. Will try and do so tonight. It did't change the current city locations although more were revealed.

Daveshack's plan on an updated map with a few extra cities. Planned city numbers are not intended to suggest a settlement order. I feel we should head West next (yellow new city 3)

rather large so have left it as a thumbnail

City number 7(light blue) looks yummy with all those BGs and forests, could be a really good Barracks town. I think after the yellow, it should be the next town settled.

Good thinking TO, but I think the reason this map was drawn the way it was and has garnished the approval it has is because it blocks the North/South travel of other tribes. By keeping this corridor secure, it enhances our trading abilities.

Excellent work on the map, Furiey.

Agreed on No 7 after yellow. With culture it will also get us horses. It will help to know where the iron is. City 4 further West would then block across and get closer to the Dyes. We'll want them whether we settle them ourselves or take them from our enemy.

We have established our Yellow city (still needs to be named Governor civplayah). Two other cities have been suggested. TheOverseer714 suggested City #7 on Furiey's map as the next city. The suggestion stated it would make a good military/barracks city being close to the Capital and having plenty of Bonus Graslands. His suggestion received support from Furiey and now from myself. Then Furiey has suggested another city to the WNW. New City #4. This will block North/South travel by other Tribes (if we're quick enough to kick them out - Minister of Foreign Affairs? What's our policy on this?)

We might have two Settlers produced this T/C, so let's hear some comments, please.

I'd say we should do spot #5 I think it is, that way we have a nice "fence"

I'd say we should do spot #5 I think it is, that way we have a nice "fence"

So you're suggesting the city location SSW of the one Furiey suggested. By the sugar? That seems effective also, but doesn't have a river next to it.

Both 4 and 5 block the S route. I went for 4 as it also moved closer to the dyes. 5 would block of a little more land. I would hope we can build both these cities before too long.

Well the luck of me Irish! I see we're Celtic, and what great land we have! :D (Reminds me a bit of the area we had in Civ3 DG2 and DG6 with the tundra nearby)

I'm kind of torn between #1 and #5. I'd like to block the AI if they're closeby (not that they'll exactly obey borders in Civ3...) with #5, or even #2. #3 seems a bit far off for now.

Welcome back, Chieftess.

I'll go with #7 as the first to be planted and #5 as the second. #5 takes 9 turns to get there, as opposed to 7 turns for #4, and #4 has the river, but in order to quickly block that passage, #5 looks a little beter. We should probably switch production in the yellow city to a Temple for border expansion now. An build a Temple in #5 as quickly as possible.

We have established our Yellow city (still needs to be named Governor civplayah).
I liked your suggestion of Molly.

Pretty quick we'll have more cities than citizens. Anyone wanna be a mayor, contact the Governor!

Yes, I'd like to be Mayor of Molly.

In the Domestic Dept. Instructions, I have posted tht cities #7 and #5 should be established this T/C (if two Settlers can get to those spots).

We have settled #7 and #5, and have two more settlers available now.

How about 4 and 6?

Glad to see the new cities in place. Our next options need to be discussed a bit, but for our very next city #4 to the West in the map below (suggested by Furiey) has received fair approval.

City #10 is also on this map. This city takes up closer to the Fomorach.

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We also have cities #8 and #9 to the North. I personally believe city #8 should go more to the North, all the way to the coast. This way it will not interfere so much with the tiles of Rhianon and Maeve. City #9 remains unmoved.

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Cities #1 and #2 are to the South. These cities will be vital in proteting our empire from the Byzantine Naval forces. There is some healthy land for cities there, plus if we want we cant put a city between these two later, if we find ourselves with an extra Settler. City #1 has been moved slightly from Furiey's suggested site.

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So here are 6 city sites up for discussion. The Domestic Departmnet would like to see location #4 done first, followed by #1. What do YOU think?

Personally I still prefer city 6 between the sugar and the cow, which leaves 1 back in the the original position.

Nice job on the maps. I didn't know you could show the improvements and worked tiles like that.

Anyone else notice the barb galleys are called Hibernians? :lol:

Personally I still prefer city 6 between the sugar and the cow, which leaves 1 back in the the original position.
Is that the coastal spot east of the cow? And moving 1 a tile to the east as a result?

Looking back at the old map, city 6 was East of the Cow and SW of the Sugar and on the coast - yes. City 1 was 1E of where it is in Cyc's map above.

I noticed the Galleys - confused me all right!

Thank you, DaveShack.
I believe city #6 should move to the Hilltop (Yellow 6) where it will have better defensive qualities and will not interfere with city #1 as much.

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Either location for city 6 works for me. We have lots of coastal sites and the inland one does give us some nice production when fully improved.

I never like one tile inland cities that leave tiles you can't improve (in this case 2). So I would still go for the coastal site for 6 with 1 back 1E so it doesn't interfere with 6 so much.

Yes, I never have like those kinds of cities either. I guess my attempt at efficiency wasn't that efficient. Consider City #1 moved one tile East and City #6 the red 6. I will support Furiey's recommendations.

I feel the next city should be built north of Rhiannon, possibily on the tile just north of the Gold.

The gold could help to alleviate our current economic crisis, along with the gold from the Coast, a Harbor to support the population, and a marketplace this new city could become very valuable.

Which do you like better? The RED 11 or the GREEN 11 for a city placement?

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My original suggestion was more Red 11

However Green 11 would be a bit more sustainable with more hills and grasslands available for working.

If we think ahead to the iron mountain to the west of these locations, which one works better with it?
And is that even interesting as a consideration?

@DaveShack. I think that question can be better answered after we know what's on the other side of those Mountains.

And what name would you be givin' that fair Northern city, Falcon02?

I like the red one.

And what name would you be givin' that fair Northern city, Falcon02?

Don't know

"Falcon's Haven" is always my classic city name, but that kinda breaks the Celtic theme we're going for

Well, with two excellent suggestions in a row (SoZ and the Province map), you just might get your wish. Why don't you make the suggestion in the city names thread and see what the rest of Hibernia says.

With two Settlers coming up, the Domestic Department suggests the Green #11 and location #8 from post 31. That will solidify our North. Luxuries are far away, so not a priority. Let's get those Northern Barbs and plant those cities.