Which Queue should we use?

Stuck's:

1. ceremonial burial
2. iron working
3. mysticism
4. polytheism
5. monarchy
6. alphabet
7. writing
8. the wheel
9. literature
10. pottery
11. map making
12. horseback riding
13. masonry
14. philosophy
15. code of laws
16. republic
17. math
18. construction
19. currency

Striders:

Iron Working
Alphabet
Writing
Ceremonial Burial
Literature
The Wheel
Mysticism
Pottery
Masonry
Horseback riding
Map Making
Polytheism
Monarcy (Through popular demand)
Mathematics
Construction
Code Of Laws
Philosophy
The Republic
Currency

i think we need to know iron working first so ill go with striders

the queue labeled as stucks isnt mine. its neutrals. couldnt we trade alpha for cer or something? we need to rush to the gl. just askin, wat was the queue 4 term 1 of phonetica?

Can we please do this a few techs at a time? There is no way we can pick a science queue one age at a time...

Remember that the older the temple the better. They are not measured by turns but by years right?

I voted neither. Ironworking should be first and then those techs leading to monarchy.

I agree with eyrei that we should be voting on a shorter science queue. We do need some long term goals though. It would be nice to have a long queue of some sort in place as it would help us to decide which techs to take in trade if possibilities arise.

Originally posted by eyrei
Can we please do this a few techs at a time? There is no way we can pick a science queue one age at a time...

I do it this way is incase something happens during the T/C that requires along queue. Their was one T/C last demogame that we got 6 technologies. We need a queue prepared for that. Also you can at anytime ask for it to be changed at any time in the queue discussions thread.(I'll do simple tech switching etc without a citizens poll ,but anything major is going to a poll).

Originally posted by Strider


I do it this way is incase something happens during the T/C that requires along queue. Their was one T/C last demogame that we got 6 technologies. We need a queue prepared for that. Also you can at anytime ask for it to be changed at any time in the queue discussions thread.(I'll do simple tech switching etc without a citizens poll ,but anything major is going to a poll).

This is fine as long as we vote on a few techs at a time, as well as on the long term goals.

we cant go straight to monarchy. we need to get the gl. its been proven in many a thread that the GL should be a priority.
c'mon iron/alpha/writing/lit

Originally posted by Stuck_As_a_Mac
we cant go straight to monarchy. we need to get the gl. its been proven in many a thread that the GL should be a priority.
c'mon iron/alpha/writing/lit

I sure wish we'd have an official poll on the grate liberry thing.

So basically, this poll is meaningless? No sense in voting here...

Originally posted by Cyc
So basically, this poll is meaningless? No sense in voting here...

Perhaps it would be best to close this one down and go back to the drawing board.

The science progression is so difficult to define in the Ancient Age, IMHO. I find I often trade or find at least half of the techs I acquire meaning the research queue is not the most important thing to me. By the time we research 1 tech, we could trade or find 3. And then everything changes.

My personal wish is to have the science queue kind of reflect the proposal I have made in the Wonder plan poll: The Wonder Plan (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=31666) By co-operating together, I hope we can most efficiently steer our ship successfully out of the Ancient age.

I voted for Stuck's queue. Ideally, I'd do IronWorking first, and then develop towards Monarchy.

In reality, trading will determine the order in which techs are acquired. IMO its better to develop down a path, allowing more free techs to be acquired at settlements, and increasing the chance to develop a unique tech that can be widely traded.

Originally posted by civ_steve
I voted for Stuck's queue. Ideally, I'd do IronWorking first, and then develop towards Monarchy.

In reality, trading will determine the order in which techs are acquired. IMO its better to develop down a path, allowing more free techs to be acquired at settlements, and increasing the chance to develop a unique tech that can be widely traded.

I've found that it's easier doing the oppisite. I use this way because:

1. I've had a few games where I went down want tech path and the AI went down the other. If I go down a scientific path and he goes down military then he can wipe you off the planet. You go down military and he goes down science then he'll produce techs alot faster, easily beating you in the tech race.

2. The AI normally goes straight down the monarchy path.(or seems to normally do). While they go down their I normally go straight for liturature and then speed to get The Republic which has a higher cost rate then monarcy (meaning their willing to trade monarcy for The Republic)

I voted for Strider's as it starts with Iron working. Period. I expect the queue will be revised as the game progresses and our situation changes

Originally posted by Danke
I voted for Strider's as it starts with Iron working. Period. I expect the queue will be revised as the game progresses and our situation changes

Exactly.... Also you may request changes at anytime you wish, but only if it gets an majority vote will it put it through.

we dont really need map making that badly. mabey we could replace it with the quest for monarchy?

How many times are we going to kick this dead horse?

Well, people keep voting in this poll. It's not too far from reaching quorum which would make it binding! :eek:

What is the quorum anyway?

I forgot what it is even through I've posted thousands of polls.

I think the quorum is 21 votes. Luckily the poll has closed before it reached this level! :)

It could always be reopened. :) So, what don't you like about this poll? We could always have a poll on every possible outcome. ;)

Originally posted by Chieftess
It could always be reopened. :) So, what don't you like about this poll? We could always have a poll on every possible outcome. ;)

Well, for one thing, we're already 22 turns into iron working and the leader in this poll has ceremonial burial before iron working. If this poll had been binding we would have had to switch to ceremonial burial which would take 40 turns then after that we could start iron working from scratch again. Not very efficient.

Especially since we can buy ceremonial burial from either the Japanese or Aztecs for less than 80 gold...

I think the science dept. should do an informational poll that is multi-choice. one that lists all the techs and we could pick the top 5 in the poll. Almost like the old FA polls that determined most favored nation status. the FNSD could use the results of that poll to construct a short science queue and to define some long term goals.

:confused:

The leading vote is Strider's queue, which has Iron before Cerimonial Burial.

Originally posted by Chieftess
:confused:

The leading vote is Strider's queue, which has Iron before Cerimonial Burial.

So it does. My mistake. Another reason for voting on shorter queues: not everyone reads long posts! I also do not like the practice of naming proposed queues after whoever proposed them. I think in this poll people looked at the beginning of the first queue, saw cermonial burial then iron working and voted against that queue. Others simply voted for the queue based on the name attached, i.e., they voted for either SAaM or Strider rather than the queues themselves.

So, what about my proposed multi-vote poll as a means of constructing short and long term science goals? Anyone think it's a good idea?

Originally posted by donsig


So it does. My mistake. Another reason for voting on shorter queues: not everyone reads long posts! I also do not like the practice of naming proposed queues after whoever proposed them. I think in this poll people looked at the beginning of the first queue, saw cermonial burial then iron working and voted against that queue. Others simply voted for the queue based on the name attached, i.e., they voted for either SAaM or Strider rather than the queues themselves.

So, what about my proposed multi-vote poll as a means of constructing short and long term science goals? Anyone think it's a good idea?

Your making an assumption on that one. I wholehartedly beleive that people read the posts from top to bottom. And i highly doubt the citizens voted on queue just bacause it was striders or stucks. your not giving much credit to the citizens of fanatika

Originally posted by FionnMcCumhall


Your making an assumption on that one. I wholehartedly beleive that people read the posts from top to bottom. And i highly doubt the citizens voted on queue just bacause it was striders or stucks. your not giving much credit to the citizens of fanatika

Hehe. From my experience with the last demogame, I am almost sure that people oftentimes do not read entire posts. Whether or not this results in them making a decision based on who posted it, I do not know. However, it is possible.

Originally posted by FionnMcCumhall

Your making an assumption on that one. I wholehartedly beleive that people read the posts from top to bottom. And i highly doubt the citizens voted on queue just bacause it was striders or stucks. your not giving much credit to the citizens of fanatika

Well, I prefaced my remarks with I think. It's a hypothesis not a proven theorum. :grad:

As for your wholehearted belief, I can assure you that I do not read all posts nor do I read entire posts if they do not hold my interest.

also, i didnt create that queue. neutral did. i dont even support it.

Originally posted by donsig
I think the quorum is 21 votes. Luckily the poll has closed before it reached this level! :)

No matter what this poll is being followed.... We need a queue voted on the populace.... The turnchat is tonight.... We don't have enough time for another one. Put me up for a PI or whatever you want, but I'm doing my job ;)

Also as I've explained earlier the science queue will be put up everyonce and awhile for a continuence poll. Saying if the citizens want to continue to follow that queue.

Stuck: I noted the first time you said that it was neutrals queue.... Sense I had already posted it in the poll and you said it already in this thread I figured that anyone who cares enough to keep up with the votes would have read the entire thread.

Also I believe that most people atleast read the 1st post before voting on a poll.

Just to lay things out for everyone:

Queue's are proposed in the Science Queue discussion thread. When their is more than one queue they are voted for in a poll. Whichever queue wins will be the offcial queue to be used. Every 2 T/C's (If I remember) the current queue will be put in an acceptance poll. If the queue flunks the acceptance poll we go back to the drawing board's. If it wins then we continue using the same queue.

Strider, we are 18 turns away from learning iron working. Turn chats have been limited to ten turns. There is no pressing need to gat an official queue of this length approved.

No one has said you are not doing your job or doing anything improper. We are merely trying to point out the dangers inherent in voting on long queues and are trying to suggest better ways for you to be able to do you job. :)

Now that this poll is done would you please consider posting a multi-vote poll that can be used to ranks citizen's tech preferences?

we are in a deal to get cer building from one of our religious neighbors. this leads us on a path straight to lit. and if culturaly linked is right, and we are on a large continent, we may come across someone with the alphabet.

Originally posted by donsig
Strider, we are 18 turns away from learning iron working. Turn chats have been limited to ten turns. There is no pressing need to gat an official queue of this length approved.

No one has said you are not doing your job or doing anything improper. We are merely trying to point out the dangers inherent in voting on long queues and are trying to suggest better ways for you to be able to do you job. :)

Now that this poll is done would you please consider posting a multi-vote poll that can be used to ranks citizen's tech preferences?

I already know of the dangers of a long science queue... and repeatadly you've reminded me of them and I've told you my reason of using them AND my way of preventing those things to happen.

I was also merely stating that we HAVE to follow this poll as their is no other queue/techs to be used and the T/C is today.

Also I plan on creating a emergency queue that can be used if something happens.

Originally posted by Strider


I already know of the dangers of a long science queue... and repeatadly you've reminded me of them and I've told you my reason of using them AND my way of preventing those things to happen.

I was also merely stating that we HAVE to follow this poll as their is no other queue/techs to be used and the T/C is today.

Your reason for the long queue was that in the last game we had a turn chat where we got several techs and the science queue ran out. That's not going to happen now. We're doing ten turns per chat, doing research at the rate of 40 turns per tech and stopping if we make coontact with new civs. There's no way a five tech science queue would run out now. As the game progresses we will need longer and longer queues but not right now. yes, I've repeatedly remined you of this becasue you repeatedly ignore it.

We would not have had to use this poll under any circumstances. It did not reach quorum and therefore is not binding.

So how about the poll I suggested?

Quoting Donsig:
We're doing ten turns per chat, doing research at the rate of 40 turns per tech and stopping if we make coontact with new civs. There's no way a five tech science queue would run out now.

Could you define "coontact"? :D

im voting for stucks, it makes way more sense because we really need ceremonial burial and we cant afford to wait.

The Great Iguanaman

We already got cerimonial burial through a trade.

so its straight for literature.

Originally posted by Cyc
Quoting Donsig:
[B]Could you define "coontact"? :D

Sure, that's when one racoon tells another racoon he's a blooming idiot but does it with style and a certain, how do you say it?, .... tact. :D

oh, i was unaware that we already had ceremonial burial, sorry about that.