Welcome to our next RPC game, DeGaulle's League. These games are meant to be educational and fun as well as a unique twist on our beloved leaders>

Here we have The last French Leader DeGaulle on an archeopolego Map. There are not many rules in this game but a general philosophy and victory condition.

DeGaulle is a great believer in Liberty and Independence! All the world needs to have one "Great World Government" lead by one leader (DeGaulle of course). He is also a believer in taking proper care on the people, however sometimes !

So let's see what we have here


Map

A large Acheopolego Map (Large for more lands as your will see)
Monarch difficulty at Marathon speed.
Normal all else

Rules:
1) DeGaulle can only have a small core of cities, maybe 8-12 and preferably on the same land mass. We may have at certain times though either through war or settlement.
2) We should agressively settle islands and spawn off as many colonies as possible.
3) The following civics are off limits as they are a blight against Humanity: Hereditary Rule (Degaulle has NO king), Police State, Slavery. All others are OK.
4) DeGaulle must gift the following techs to all leaders once obtained: Liberalism/Constitution/Democracy
5) DeGaulle has NO limits on war.
6) We cannot ever vassal a leader. We can destroy them and spawn off the cities as a colony though.
7) UN: Must be beelined and should be built by DeGaulle. We can never vote "NO" to any resolutions. We can ONLY win via a UN vote.

So our Magnificent Leader

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/DeGaulle/DeGaullestart0000.jpg

And the start

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/DeGaulle/DeGaullestart0001.jpg

So We start with Agriculture and the wheel is is useless at the moment. I say we tech fishing and start on a warrior.

Saves

Part I: http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpost.php?p=8007750&postcount=25
Part II: http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpost.php?p=8011535&postcount=33
Part III: http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpost.php?p=8014978&postcount=43

Get Fishing OR Animal Husbanary ASAP, then probably Bronze Working to clear up the land.

I agree with you Mad. Also, Don't forget to make a 'Strike Force' against dudes almost winning before you. :)

Fishing-->BW-->Mysticism for Henge-->Sailing for GLH. All of those forests can be chopped for Stonehenge/GLH.

You can probably skip AH to just mine the pigs if you want to go a different tech path.

Wooo, love me some Mad.

does rule 1 and 2 controdict each other?

Not at all. At certain times through war or settlement. That does not cause a contradiction but rather an exception.

5) DeGaulle has NO limits on war.

Do I detect a note of "pacifist soreness" here ? :D

Is there a way to play the save on a different difficulty/speed?

This sounds like a fun one, but why didn't you outlaw Theocracy? That's not exactly a very democratic/libertarian civic.

does rule 1 and 2 controdict each other?

No. Rule 1 is for core cities that I will optimize for teh French empire while additional cities are for immediate benefits ubtil they can be spun off. Rule 2 is there to establish alot of colonies.

in rule 4 do you mean you will gift them the tech as soon as they could research it or will you gift them all the other techs they need as well?

I would as UWHabs says think about mining the pigs, you are a bit low on hammers once you clear the forests in that location

Do I detect a note of "pacifist soreness" here ? :D

Um??????? Perhaps!

Is there a way to play the save on a different difficulty/speed?

Load the game as normal, then enter world builder and save it as a world build game. Load tha game as a scenario and you will have the options to change speed and difficulty. Warning, this way you also get a peak at the other leaders in the game, I suggest focusing your vision on the top name which should be DeGaulle.

PS:

Welcome to the Forums and my RPCs!

This sounds like a fun one, but why didn't you outlaw Theocracy? That's not exactly a very democratic/libertarian civic.

Theocracy is strictly a warring civic which is fine here.

in rule 4 do you mean you will gift them the tech as soon as they could research it or will you gift them all the other techs they need as well?

I would as UWHabs says think about mining the pigs, you are a bit low on hammers once you clear the forests in that location

I have to gift those three techs once the AI can accept them. Whether I gift/trade the prerequisite techs is a game decision.

I propose one more rule: kill Shaka on sight.

I propose one more rule: kill Shaka on sight.

I did that in the Isabella game. He keeps coming back :(

I did that in the Isabella game. He keeps coming back :(

I got stuck alone on a continent with Shaka and Monty this weekend. I was Bismarck and I didnt make it.

What you should to is play Vicky and WB in 6 Shakas.:lol:

What you should to is play Vicky and WB in 6 Shakas.:lol:

Gods this is really inappropriate but the only name that pops in my head for that RPC is "Where all the white women at?" (as said by Cleavon Little in Blazing Saddles.)


Yeah I'm getting banned now.

MaD I think you are gonna Stomp all over this one. I hope the map is agreeable and you get to spawn off at least 10 colonies.

Is The great Lighthouse a priority?

MaD I think you are gonna Stomp all over this one. I hope the map is agreeable and you get to spawn off at least 10 colonies.

Is The great Lighthouse a priority?

Let's see: Industrious leader , Archeopolego, Lot's of Colonies to force trade routes on, choppable forrests in the BFC. I dunno, ya think! ;)

What you should to is play Vicky and WB in 6 Shakas.

OMG--you absolutely HAVE to do that for a subsequent RPC. It's like the Washington game, but in reverse. Maybe put in Hatty and another female AI for competition.

Wow, this has been great fun, even though I was waaaay behind on just about everything compared to a normal game.

I originally started heading for the AP (and was quite close to achieving that win) since I head my mind set on a diplomatic victory, then I rechecked and saw it was only UN so I had to change my plans.

Still it seems no one really hated me this game, thanks mostly to early free religion. Combined with the fact that the leader with most votes was hated by a lot of people since he/she stuck with a religion almost no one was using (aside from my colonies), UN victory came very easily.

These kinda relations are very fun and very unusual at least for me:
http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/1174/civ4screenshot0006.jpg

DeGaulle's League: PArt I

To start this RPC we settled in place taking advantage of the fresh water and the abundant food.

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/DeGaulle/DegA0000.jpg

We sent our warrior west while we started the build order Warrior/workboat/workboat/worker/warrior/warrior/warrior/settler/lighthouse/GLH

Techpath went: Fishing/mining/BW/sailing/Masonry/IW

We sent our warrior north to find our only goody hut

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/DeGaulle/DegA0001.jpg

Stupid Warriors. Can't you see the French want to liberate you after we settle your lands!

So after Bronze Working

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/DeGaulle/DegA0000-1.jpg

Nothing!

However we met the first AI

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/DeGaulle/DegA0001-1.jpg

Good, no war-Monger and a fairly large Pansie, er I mean potential valuable Colony, no no I mean a great friend!

We dropped city #2 in the best location

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/DeGaulle/DegA0002.jpg

And while we were researching Iron Working to get a decent Military AND chop away at those jungles, we managed to build

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/DeGaulle/DegA0003.jpg

Good we shall need it to combat two very strong Financial leaders. Did I say TWO?

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/DeGaulle/DegA0004.jpg

Why, yes I did!

But the Million Franc question, do we have Iron???

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/DeGaulle/DegA0005.jpg

Well, there is alot of land to explore still as well as nearby islands. Depending what the north brings I forsee some islands as being part of our "French Core" of cities.

SO I think we should build some Galleys to explore and defend our clams. As far as the next techs???

Mysticism/Hunting/Archery. We have delayed defense way too long.

I think you should explore!!!! Seriously, you have the GLH built, IW, and even met several leaders but still can't even see past that strip of land!!! AHHH!

Screw archery. You can practically fogbust with galleys on this map. You only need about 4 warriors to completely fogbust the land you have now.

But yes, definitely, build some galleys, or even workboats, to explore the areas. With the GLH on a map like this, expand overseas and it'll all pay for itself.

What a crappy land so far. No strategic resources. Scratch that. No resources whatsoever. Jungle all over the place. Pfff, this is going to be an interesting game.

i don't see why you didn't place orleans 1e ... true ... it would lose +2 health from fresh water, but it would also leave room for another decent city 1nw of the desert

@Sian:

I agree. Mad, it seems to me that if you're going for a base core of cities on one landmass, you need to plan for more, less-optimal cities.

@ SIan/Almighty. Actually City #2 is a production behemouth. 5 hills, wheat, and enough river to irigate all those grasslands. Add the Moari and watchout. Planting the city 1 E get's me 2 weaker cities rather than one stronge one. Also, the region to the west of City #2 is alikely a late fillin and not ont I plan right away.

There is also another river to the north which I believe is similar. Fresh wat for eventually irigated farms plus seafood and 2-3 hills for production.

Mad, can you update your opening post with links to the different rounds? I have found this is very handy for determining if you posted a new round, and then finding it! Thanks!

DeGaulle's League: PArt II

A very ANNOYING early part of the segment here which seams to have worked out pretty well.

Let's take a look at what our Noble French Friend is up to.

Let's start with the techpath: Hunting/Archery/Mysticism/AH/writing/Pottery/HBR/Compass.

Unusual later techs but they make the most sense in this game. Also I think archery was prudent as Victoria is a noted backstabber even if she rarely declares war.

We then built a Galley to scope out the lands. It got killed. We sent a warrior north. He got Killed. Our seafood got Pillaged.

Then DeGaulle got mad and built some more Galleys, and explored the north

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/DeGaulle/DegB0000.jpg

The good news is we have horses.


http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/DeGaulle/DegB0001.jpg

Bad news is where is the damned metals!!!!!!!!!!! Well, at least there is no Shaka, YET!

Finally after cruising that Snakey continent we find

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/DeGaulle/DegB0002.jpg

An off-shore iron source, and in a not so bad location.

So we send our archer/Settler/Galley to get some iron and see this interesting map.

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/DeGaulle/DegB0003.jpg

Note the Blue color there (it aint French).

Next turn

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/DeGaulle/DegB0004.jpg

Yes that is Indian Lands that is blue. However, after settling our iron city (again on a river.

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/DeGaulle/DegB0005.jpg

So there are ruins on that hill as well as an Indian archer. Anyone know exactly what happened here???

So we move along and meet another leader

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/DeGaulle/DegB0006.jpg

So Victoria/Asoka/Darius/Zara. A hefty assortment of tech-mongers.

So know Asoka is nearby to the east, we plant another city, not exactly optimum right now

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/DeGaulle/DegB0007.jpg

But some irrigated farms and we are OK. Have I talked alot about Farms??? Yes, I think we are completely avoiding cottages this RPC.

Se start exploring English lands to the west and get Judaism spread to us.

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/DeGaulle/DegB0009.jpg

we adopt it forming a block with Asoka/Victoria/Darius with Zara on the outside.

We dropped another city on the second landmass, claiming 2 seafood and cows. Decent production with some workshops.

Our first GP was a Great Merchant which we shipped off to London for a 3300 gold mission.

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/DeGaulle/DegB0011.jpg

By the Way, Victoria got the circumnavigation bonus in 1660 BC !

So we ramp the slider up the 100% and start dealing

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/DeGaulle/DegB0012.jpg

Next city was a solo land mass which got us more seafood (Sid, are you listening!)

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/DeGaulle/DegB0013.jpg

Finally, we settle our last city, along the jungle river

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/DeGaulle/DegB0014.jpg

I can sense Victoria ready to expand in that direction.

A view of our cities

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/DeGaulle/DegB0016.jpg

Now that is 8 cities and at least 2-4 more areas to fill in. The question is do we expand northeastern on our second landmass

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/DeGaulle/DegB0015.jpg

Or mix those newer cities into a tight, compact landmass allowing the rest of that continent to be settled. My guess at the moment is to settle it since resources like oil, uranium, coal could be there.

We made one large trade

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/DeGaulle/DegB0017.jpg

Before finishing

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/DeGaulle/DegB0018.jpg

Early harbors with the Great Lighthouse is pretty darned powerful.

The question is what do we tech next??? Currency, Code of Laws, Aesthetics.

AND, do we monopolize Compass or trade it off

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/DeGaulle/DegB0020.jpg

SO a struggle at first, but things looking up. A monopoly on Compass, almost finished the Maori in the production city, and close to getting iron hooked.

The biggest question is do we start mobilizing, or let diplomacy rule for a while. I shoudl remind everyone that trade route yields are much higher during peace than war.

Getting Diarus or whatever to give up currency will boast your GL even more! If it takes compass: then do it.

But if he doesn't go for it keep it a monopoly, they will slaver over that Compass they will! Great Job!

Why didn't you settle Chatres 1NW? Then you could settle a city on that desert tile and have 2 ok cities on that island. With GLH, those trade routes would be quite nice! ( although i admit, there would be NO production. Buy hey, its a whipping city then!)

Ya, for the second time I disagree with one of your city placements Mad! :P That fish will be WASTED! WASTED!

Well mad, I have to agree with the others. A city on the desert tile would have netted you in 2 fish and a clam. Then the other city 1N and would have made a good city too. The 2fish/clam city would have been a prime candidate then for Maoi statues, but Orleans already gets that. Still the game is shaping up. Can we get a shot of the big island you are colonizing with resource flags on? I would have put Tours 1E of the plains hill, then a city to grab the rice and the cow. Iron city more to the NE to get the clam and the iron. Those would have been stronger cities imho, but then again you are a way better player then I am. Keep it up.

Alot of displeasure over That island city!

My thinking is that with 2 coastal seafood there is alot of food to support the two mines and some workshops. In a sense 1 VERY efficient city rather than 2 average cities. Remember I am self limiting the French Core to 8-12 cities.

Yeah, settling 2 cities on the small island neither would be great. Mad will get enough islands and colonies that trade routes will be lucrative enough as-is.

But really, you should be getting on that. I'm still waiting for your colony of Shaka to pop out so you can rule over him with an Iron Fist.

I am at a decision point here and want some advice before I proceed. I played out the game up to 850 AD one certain way which has gotten us hopelessly backwards in tech (if you recall my past games you know when I say hopeless I mean it). Basically I Monopolized Compass while the world went trade nuts. I do have an outdated armada ready to attack Victoria.

I am considering replaying this segment by spreading arround Compass ASAP.

I am looking for what everyone wants to see. All RPC rules are still in effect. Do we want a sporting chance and replay the segment, or simply post what I have and the hell with it.

I don't want another lost especially because of the last game. Replay until you win.

As for advice, I also recommend trading Compass ASAP. Tech trade around, make sure you trade with the highest bidder while avoiding the WFYABTA limit as much as possible (as in trade with people with the lowest WFYABTA limit).

Replay until you win just like Mathew said. With the last RPC ending in almost record time ( I'm gonna check on that btw) I really would like to see Mad duking it out on the oceans.

DeGaulle's League: Part III

I decided to replay the segment as the point of these RPCs is to have fun. Does not seam like marching swords against longbows/crossbows while the world heads to rifling is much fun.

This time I did much better, so here we go!

We decided to have a tech fire sale, everything must go!

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/DeGaulle/DegC20000.jpg

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/DeGaulle/DegC20001.jpg

Then we decided to shake things up a bit

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/DeGaulle/DegC20002.jpg

Peace leads to too much trading. Soon after Asoka joined in the war against Zara.

Some more trading

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http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/DeGaulle/DegC20004.jpg

And we got one of those random events that popped a free Scientist into Orleans.

We settled our only city this segment which finished the French Core.

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/DeGaulle/DegC20006.jpg

And made some more trades.

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/DeGaulle/DegC20007.jpg

Just kept ate it.

Techpath went: Currency/Code of Laws/Metal Casting/Literature/Construction/Machinery (finished via trade)/Civil Service/Paper/Education (via GS bulb).

Tech is a little slow but we are bolstered by the trade route and more importantly a sizeable treasury fro the Great Merchant.

Production has been sparce as we are forbidden from using teh whip, nor can we adopt HR for the extra happiness.

We managed to pull off a really good trade with Zara

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/DeGaulle/DegC20009.jpg

And we changed civics for the first time all game.

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/DeGaulle/DegC20010.jpg

Vassalage as I plan to get into some war here! Caste to run scientists for some beakers. So far that has been space too although we are starting to chain irigate as much as possible.

We continue to make trades, even with our potential first victum

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/DeGaulle/DegC20011.jpg

We decided Paris would be our GP farm, for now and we built the NE here.

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/DeGaulle/DegC20012.jpg

Our second GP was another GM which we used immediately for another 3900 gold trade mission.

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/DeGaulle/DegC20013.jpg

And ran the slider at 100% science.



Zara turned out to be one great trading partner

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/DeGaulle/DegC20014.jpg

I am sure he needed one as the other Judaists were probably NOT trading with him!

We then met 2 more leaders

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/DeGaulle/DegC20015.jpg

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/DeGaulle/DegC20016.jpg

A couple of tech deficient saps we can bully arround!

GW has a few techs we could use

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/DeGaulle/DegC20017.jpg

We later also got Music.

Meanwhile we are stockpiling galleys'triems and assembling a force of maces/cats.

We popped our third GP

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/DeGaulle/DegC20018.jpg

No doubt here, we bulbed most of education, leaving 5 turns left.

After education we are left with

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/DeGaulle/DegC20020.jpg

I saved here as I wanted some opinions first

The tech situation

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/DeGaulle/DegC20021.jpg

And the Map

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/DeGaulle/DegC20022.jpg

OK, right now Darius has 28 turns left on education and Asoka is teching Nationalism.

The question is do we trade off education for Engineering/Guilds/Philosophy and some change to Asoka/Darius for the stronger army and risk losing the Liberalism race. Or do we monopolize education and make head towards Liberalism to get Astronomy for free?

I also have a sizeable force ready to hit Victoria. Do we start or hold off until Liberalism?

Remember, RPC rules I must gift Liberalism once it is researched.

PS: The treasury is ready to crash also, so the techrate will dryup fast!

Is there a reason you didn't want to explore, more? I mean, I know circumnav was gone a long time ago, but I think you could have popped a couple settlers on some galleys, and quickly settle and spawn off a colony. I don't see many "aggressively settled islands" at this point.

Is there a reason you didn't want to explore, more? I mean, I know circumnav was gone a long time ago, but I think you could have popped a couple settlers on some galleys, and quickly settle and spawn off a colony. I don't see many "aggressively settled islands" at this point.

Hmmmmmmmmmmm. Call it a game deficiency of mine. I am notorious for slow exploring and I just started Caravels to do so.

The agressive settlign has sort of been blocked by the close AIs. Fear not, "aggressively settle islands" can have 2 meanings!

Is there a reason you didn't want to explore, more? I mean, I know circumnav was gone a long time ago, but I think you could have popped a couple settlers on some galleys, and quickly settle and spawn off a colony. I don't see many "aggressively settled islands" at this point.

You can't pop settlers on any difficulty past Warlord.

Pop also means visit.

I popped to the shops.

I prefer nipped though but I'm probably a big rasist.

You said you were behind in tech?

Well, if you were that behind. Congrats on a good replay.

'Ello Mad! I want to say first that it is always a great pleasure to follow your RPCs! I really love the extra catchy/themed rules you get on, they give another dimension to the game and add much more fun!

Before we decide a course of action for this one, could you *please& post a screenie of demographics first?

Other than that, I'd say : trade Edu with all the rest 'cept Darius (isn't he the one teching Edu atm?). Make sure you get Guilds since it will boost up your production via the +1ham on w/shops.
Then, have every city produce wealth if you are short on gold or science if you have extra gold and run 100% sci slider to get Lib. No chance you will miss Lib that way. Get Astro as your free tech then tech straight for Gunpowder to get musketeers and then Military trad for Cuirassiers in order to clear a couple of backward civs and spin off new colonies. At that point you will be able to dictate research of 2/3 difrrent techs and get on top much sooner.

But before anything, please give us a fresh demographics screenie pls ;-)

You said you were behind in tech?

Well, if you were that behind. Congrats on a good replay.

It was pretty damned bad.

'Ello Mad! I want to say first that it is always a great pleasure to follow your RPCs! I really love the extra catchy/themed rules you get on, they give another dimension to the game and add much more fun!

Before we decide a course of action for this one, could you *please& post a screenie of demographics first?

Other than that, I'd say : trade Edu with all the rest 'cept Darius (isn't he the one teching Edu atm?). Make sure you get Guilds since it will boost up your production via the +1ham on w/shops.
Then, have every city produce wealth if you are short on gold or science if you have extra gold and run 100% sci slider to get Lib. No chance you will miss Lib that way. Get Astro as your free tech then tech straight for Gunpowder to get musketeers and then Military trad for Cuirassiers in order to clear a couple of backward civs and spin off new colonies. At that point you will be able to dictate research of 2/3 difrrent techs and get on top much sooner.

But before anything, please give us a fresh demographics screenie pls ;-)

Glad yo see you following teh RPCs.

I am at work and cannot get a screenshot up until later this afternoon which is when I will likely play the enxt segment. I will check out that screen though before proceeding.

I like the idea of building ealth although not sure if that's enough to float the economy to nab liberalism.

As far as trades, I am a little more limited than I thought

Darius will give us Philosophy for Education, but not guilds

Asoka will give us either engineering or Guilds plus some gold.

SO do we monopolize Educations? And if I trade so we want engineering for trebs/pikes or guilds for knights?

Get Guilds and Philosophy. You cannot bet on monopolizing a tech that can just be bulbed by an AI...

See if you can bribe ANY AI to declare on the others. 10 turns of proxy war will still get the AI to focus on military and look away from liberalism. Check if you can FIRST make them DOW somebody (specially the ones you will give them Edu) and THEN do your EDU trades... If you do that, chances are that they will try to research a military tech first, leaving liberalism all for you...

Wait to attack Vicky after you get lib and astro. When you get lib you have to give it to all the AIs anyway and gifting that to Vicky would cancel your war.

A long post coming up.

Be forewarned, it is pretty boring and rather sucks although are doing pretty well.

The Jerk French (Lou and Napolean) are much more fun than than the Noble French in DeGaulle.

DeGaulle's League: Part IV

Yawn!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yep, that type of RPC!

We start by strategically trading education

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/DeGaulle/DegD0000.jpg

We avoid another trade until teh next round to see what we get.

The point was made before that I did not explore much. One reason is that a simple trade can get us

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/DeGaulle/DegD0001.jpg

So maybe 5 cities in Asoka's core. Not shown but Vicky's home turf also has Zara on it.

Speak of the devil

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/DeGaulle/DegD0002.jpg

So we only managed to trade education to one person, Asoka. And by readjusting eps

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/DeGaulle/DegD0003.jpg

We found he was researching Astronomy. No fear of losing teh Liberalism race here.

Tehcpath: Liberalism/Nationalism/Constitution/Gunpowder. Yes a tough research segment.

We meet another AI

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/DeGaulle/DegD0004.jpg

Who is also behind in tech.

Soon we finish Liberalism

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/DeGaulle/DegD0006.jpg

And we select Astronomy for free.

And the techs

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/DeGaulle/DegD0007.jpg

So we have to gift Liberalism to Asoka and darius. well sure

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/DeGaulle/DegD0008.jpg

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/DeGaulle/DegD0009.jpg

HEY! We are French, nothing is for free.

Astronomy is also nice for free as we have access to our UB, the salon and it's free artist. The salon is also cheaper than the University so we spam that quite a bit.

We adjust civics

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/DeGaulle/DegD0010.jpg

dropping Victoria to cautious, Asoka and darius to pleased (although they also adopt FR, their favored civic) but we got Zara to pleased.

Time has been wasted too much already, time to head into English waters

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/DeGaulle/DegD0011.jpg

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/DeGaulle/DegD0012.jpg

As soon as we declare war

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/DeGaulle/DegD0013.jpg

Damned AP. We are very strecthed regarding happiness (France really could us a King) so defying it is out of the question.

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/DeGaulle/DegD0014.jpg

So we retreated and sulked a bit after hurting our trade Route Economy quite a bit.

Our next GP we popped was rather useless.

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/DeGaulle/DegD0015.jpg

So we started a Golden Age.

And to help the economy a bit, we made this trade.

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/DeGaulle/DegD0016.jpg

NOTE to oneself, Darius has no native iron, thus no frigates or cannos!

We meet another leader

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/DeGaulle/DegD0017.jpg

And we decide to make another try at Victoria.

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/DeGaulle/DegD0018.jpg

At the same time we mmet another AI, who is vassaled to Darius.

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/DeGaulle/DegD0019.jpg

We throw all our force at London.

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/DeGaulle/DegD0020.jpg

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/DeGaulle/DegD0021.jpg

So we got the Great wall. One of the few games where I do not think it helps much.

And the AP forces us into peace yet again.

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/DeGaulle/DegD0022.jpg

To Be Continued....................

DeGaulle's League: Part IV

Once Zara finally got education we could do another French "GIFT"

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/DeGaulle/DegD0023.jpg

After what seams like forever, we manage to finish Natioalism and change civics

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/DeGaulle/DegD0024.jpg

Happiness, lower civics, Draft, espionage. Lot's of good stuff and Good Frenchman would like!

SO Zara finally declares war on Victoria (he had WHEOOH for a long tiem) and got on board figruing we both could run over the land and maybe we can get a colony.

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/DeGaulle/DegD0025.jpg

We attack Coventry!

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/DeGaulle/DegD0026.jpg

Sweet! As we heal up our troops to capture the next city, peace breaks out

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/DeGaulle/DegD0027.jpg

Apparently Ethiopia got himself his own Vassal!.

Well, we have 2 cities there, let's see what we can do.

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/DeGaulle/DegD0028.jpg

We spin the two cities off as a colony AND>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/DeGaulle/DegD0029.jpg

Welcome to the game Hyuna! We are ticked off about the shortend war, so we took all our troops back with us. HC now has 4 Quechua's defending his 2 cities with Coventry continually revolting to Victoria. I could care less, you got your damned independence Inca man, what more do you want.

At this time I have ideas of focusing on the east!.

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/DeGaulle/DegD0030.jpg

Yes, very tempting area over there.

And as you would expect we got an AP vote.

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/DeGaulle/DegD0032.jpg

I voted no, HC defied and we have an Incan Allie swimming in unhappiness.

FINALLY, we managed to tech constitution which we "GIFTED" to HC

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/DeGaulle/DegD0033.jpg

AND adjusted civics

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/DeGaulle/DegD0034.jpg

I am definitely planning to adopt a late game SE here!

Another hidden AI pops up

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/DeGaulle/DegD0035.jpg

He is way behind in tech and I have a spiteful satisfaction in that!

A Minor trade

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/DeGaulle/DegD0036.jpg

We popped a GE which I am saving for either the Mining Corp or rushing the UN

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/DeGaulle/DegD0037.jpg

And we finished Gunpowder for a military edge and the French UU, leaving us with a choice

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/DeGaulle/DegD0038.jpg

OK, Currasairs or Frigates next???

we saved here.

Techs

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/DeGaulle/DegD0039.jpg

Demographics

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/DeGaulle/DegD0040.jpg

OUCH!!!!!!!!!!!!

And teh Map

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/DeGaulle/DegD0041.jpg

OK, time to really mobilize a stronge army. Now do we harrass the weak (Mao, Mansa, Ramesses) or hit Asoka and cripple an eventual threat.

Right now I see the way to go is "Acquire" the weaker nations and lead a voting block against Zara.

Go Chemistry, then Steel. You get some nice trade bait, frigates, and Steel bee-line! Cannons are really useful against Asoka ( Who BTW I suggest you go against, can we get a few pics of his land?) Cannons in numbers can easily smash through a though city with rifles ( Which nobody even has yet! Also, Darius has a lot of gold and PP and Eco. with him right now. Can Gunpowder get anything from him? He's pretty far away and I'm pretty sure he'll get it soon enough.

Yawn!!!!!!

Just kidding! But yawns are contagious!

How many colonies do you have? It seems you have very little... :sad:

Go for a late domination play, except don't win. Go nearly behind the diplomatic victory limits, and then win. Is this possible? It might make the game more interesting.

You run Nationhood and can have two solid spy buildings. I say tech to Military tradition (1st) and then Chemistry. Kill your science slider. Make best friends with Darius and let him tech on his leasure. Steal all monopoly techs from him, then trade them arround to the point you get the tech lead.
Use Musketeers and Cuirassiers in the meanwhile to destroy lesser nations and spin off colonies :-D This way you will also be able to dictate various research paths and easily trade for techs.
Dont go against either Asoka OR Darius. Let Asoka grow, spy harass and steal Darius while doing everything you can to be best friends and break his relationships with Asoka (an AP vote if you come in office? Sabotage the resources they are trading?). Get the colonies in the lesser nations, build the UN and when the time for vote comes, it will (hopefully) be U vs Asoka. Your colonies + Darius will vote for you and VOILA!
But Cuirassiers + Muskets (Guerilla 3 so they can also withdraw) with spies can eat the lesser AIs much faster than cannons.. (dont forget to use spies..)

Ya know, Mad, after being bitten by the AP so many times, I've gotten in the habit of checking the Members screen to see when the next resolution is due before I launch a war. Maybe you should too. :rolleyes:

As for tech path, going chem/steel will give you slow-moving cannon with a fast UU, or you could pair your fast UU with fast Cuirasseirs. I'd go MT for the mouseketeers/curries. Then rifling for cavs.

I found it amusing how London had a skyscraper amongst its buildings, considering the age you're in right now.

Ya know, Mad, after being bitten by the AP so many times, I've gotten in the habit of checking the Members screen to see when the next resolution is due before I launch a war. Maybe you should too. :rolleyes:

As for tech path, going chem/steel will give you slow-moving cannon with a fast UU, or you could pair your fast UU with fast Cuirasseirs. I'd go MT for the mouseketeers/curries. Then rifling for cavs.

Um, how do I find out when the next resolution is due??? :dunno:

Has a lack of early expansion and scouting hurt you this game?

Your wars with Vicky were unfortunately cut Short and dont seem to have yielded you much.

If you go espionage route Ashoka seems easier logisticly to get spies into his land. I dont like this idea unless you plan on wiping him out later though, your spies will get caught and he will eventually hate you.

Ramses Seems a solid choice for war since he is a buddist outcast and he likely has a holy city and some wonders in his lands.

I would rather trade with Darius than Ashoka and would Consider a deal for gunpowder. He is too faraway for war, peaceful, and I think you will be fighting for Diplomatic Win before he gets to space so him out pacing in tech is not a huge threat.

Um, how do I find out when the next resolution is due??? :dunno:

BUG mod, its a pretty cool feature!

also, if you dont feel like downloading a mod you can just count how many turns since the last resolution, which is what the BUG does for you. resolutions come every 4 turns (though dont quote me on that figure, it's off the top of my head and i have little experience of all things diplomatic) so as long as you remember when the next resolution's due you should be able to avoid a premature end to wars.

DeGaulle's League: Part V

well I decided to be true French here. I am leaving the stronger nations alone and picking on the little guys! After a horribly LONGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG war we managed to actually beat one!!

Let's see what DeGaulle is up to!

TechPath went: Chemistry/Military Tradition/Rifling/Biology/start Physics.

We decided to play the diplomatic scene and permanantly befriend Darius and Asoka and wipe out the weaker nations.

We make several trades with our friends

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/DeGaulle/DegE0000.jpg

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/DeGaulle/DegE0001.jpg

And adopt Free Market.

The AP rears it's head and forces London back to Victoria

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/DeGaulle/DegE0003.jpg

So Hyuna is down to one city, coventry which has 4 quechuas defending it and is going in/out of English revolt.

And looking at techs

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/DeGaulle/DegE0004.jpg

we decide to trade away the Military Tradition advantage.

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/DeGaulle/DegE0005.jpg

And we Loaded up our Armada and dialed up Mao

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/DeGaulle/DegE0006.jpg

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/DeGaulle/DegE0007.jpg

Mao is absolutely no threat to us, so we attacked!

Meanwhile we finally got a GS which we used for an academy.

We got our first GG and settled him in our potential Globe Theater city.

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/DeGaulle/DegE0009.jpg

Now, onto Mao

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/DeGaulle/DegE0010.jpg

Mao countered pretty well, destroying our Trebs, taking out enough of our units making attacking teh next city too difficult. So we waited here for reinfircements.

We get Scientific Method off of Zara

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/DeGaulle/DegE0012.jpg

And find we have oil in our off coast island

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/DeGaulle/DegE0013.jpg

After finishing the Globe theater,

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/DeGaulle/DegE0015.jpg

This makes a great drafting city. We can Draft riflemen every few turns, and every turn post Biology!

We manage to get our reinforcements heading towards China.

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/DeGaulle/DegE0016.jpg

And make some a trade with saladin.

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/DeGaulle/DegE0017.jpg

We adopt Emancipation as the unhappiness were affecting us. Unfortunately we lost the benefit of Caste system on the SE.

Soo we have a force in China capable of finishing them off.

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/DeGaulle/DegE0019.jpg

And based on our new Diplomatic philosphy we agree to this

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/DeGaulle/DegE0020.jpg

Asoka is now friendly.

By the time we capture the second to last Chinese city, war breaks out in the world.

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/DeGaulle/DegE0025.jpg

So Darius attacks Ramesses. Mansa also attacked Darius,

To Be Continued

DeGaulle's League: Part V

We finish off Mao by taking his last city

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/DeGaulle/DegE0026.jpg

And as fast as we can we spawn off a Colony

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/DeGaulle/DegE0027.jpg

And who do we get?

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/DeGaulle/DegE0028.jpg

Well, at least I do not have to fight against him.

We then gifted him 2 chinese cities

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/DeGaulle/DegE0029.jpg

Which leaves ONE last Chinese city in our hands. The only option appears to be gifting it to Washington (Sury won't take it).

So here's the view of Sury's lands

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/DeGaulle/DegE0031.jpg

A much better allie and Vassal than HC!

We saved here, on the road to Physics.

The Tech Situation

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/DeGaulle/DegE0032.jpg

So the plan is this

1) Use our drafted rifles and wipe out Mansa.

2) Use our drafted rifles and attack Ramesses.

3) If all continues well, we risk attacking Boudica (mostly because she's Zara's Pal).

4) Tech Physics/Electricity/Radio/Mass Media

we have 2 GEs ready to go. One for the UN and the other perhaps for another wonder.

Enough for now!

How come your vassals don't appear under your name on the score list?

Um, how do I find out when the next resolution is due??? :dunno:

BUG mod, its a pretty cool feature!

Mad's already running BUG, as you can see from the screenshots.

Mad -
Click on the victory conditions screen (the red fist second from the right at the top RH corner of the screen). Then click on the "members" tab. It will tell you how many turns to the next resolution, and how many to the next election, as well as how the voters are currently llined up. Very helpful.

resolutions come every 4 turns (though dont quote me on that figure, it's off the top of my head and i have little experience of all things diplomatic)

I'm not positive, but I think it's 10 turns between votes on marathon.

How come your vassals don't appear under your name on the score list?

1000 signs you play the BUG mod too much.

:lol: Get rid of China to get Indonesia!

DeGaulle's League: Part VI

Moving along here as I am want to see how many Colonies we can get!

I am beelining the UN: Physics/Electricity/Radio/start Mass Media

My thinking is it's going to be quite tough to take out the stronger leaders, so the faster we get the UN the better chance we have to win.

Very early we got this request

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/DeGaulle/DegF0000.jpg

Building Diplo points and time to put the Smack Down on another weak leader!

So we draft a ton of rifles, bring our Chinese army, and prepare to invade Mali.

We did pop another Great Artist

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/DeGaulle/DegF0001.jpg

we used him with one of our GEs for a Golden Age.

And somehow Sury must have traded for Steam Power, because

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/DeGaulle/DegF0002.jpg

So the benefit of getting Colonies!

So we bring are forces against the Mali core home lands

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/DeGaulle/DegF0003.jpg

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/DeGaulle/DegF0005.jpg

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/DeGaulle/DegF0006.jpg

And at this point

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/DeGaulle/DegF0007.jpg

Colony #3

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/DeGaulle/DegF0008.jpg

Welcome to the French League of Nations Pericles!

We start assaulting the next Mali island system

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/DeGaulle/DegF0009.jpg

Leading us to

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/DeGaulle/DegF0011.jpg

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/DeGaulle/DegF0012.jpg

Who immediately demanded electricty from us!!!!!!!

Now there were some islands with one city which we could not get rid of right away. So we decided to finish off Mansa

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/DeGaulle/DegF0014.jpg

Mansa had a pair of ice cities to the south we still had to take

Meanwhile

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/DeGaulle/DegF0015.jpg

Victoria broke away from Zara, leaving a strong Infantry unit right near vulnerable HC! No time to defend him, so.............

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/DeGaulle/DegF0016.jpg

Victoria is none to pleased, but good diplo points with Zara.

The last Mali city falls

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/DeGaulle/DegF0017.jpg

Allowing to spurn off ALOT of former Mali lands

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/DeGaulle/DegF0018.jpg

Getting us

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/DeGaulle/DegF0019.jpg

Welcome Wang!

So let's look at the diplomacy screen.

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/DeGaulle/DegF0020.jpg

5 Colonies so far!

we saved here.

Techs

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/DeGaulle/DegF0021.jpg

I am a little concerned here with Ethiopian/English Infantry and Persian/Indian destroyers! I the UN is a definite priority here!

Our cities

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/DeGaulle/DegF0022.jpg

Are doing pretty good with the SE game! However, very soon we have to bite the bullet and research Corporation and lose a trade route!

And finally the Glance Screen

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/DeGaulle/DegF0023.jpg

The Victory screen indicates that Asoka will be our rival. I was hoping for Zara but Victoria revolting hurt that!

SO our options are

Attack Boudica/washington

Attack Ramesses

IIRC in the calculation for the UN opponent, its just the empire with the most land, it ignores their vassals pop.

It looks like Asoka is quite popular so I think you will need to make a few more colonies.
I'd suggest rameses first as his empire is bigger than the celts one, though Boudica will probably vote for Asoka and rameses might not

Wow, Mad's RPCs just whizz through. I got back today and thought 'oh, a new RPC' and find out it is 4/5th complete.

DeGaulle's League: Part VII

A rahter interesting segment to what has turned into an interesting game!

First, our techpath: Mass Media/Assembly Line/Railroad (part form atrade)/Combustion/Industrialization/start Flight

we made a big trade with our vassal

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/DeGaulle/DegG0000.jpg

Fairwell oh Great Lighthouse. You are sorely missed but we must advance techwise and infantry are greatly needed if we are to win.

After that trade

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/DeGaulle/DegG0001.jpg

Still behind the leaders. One of those games where I will NEVER catchup, but nevertheless, there are ways to win. Including the only one open to us.

And while we are planning our next Military Venture, we here the war horns

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/DeGaulle/DegG0002.jpg

So Asoka went after Boudica/washington. NICE!

So we bring our Armada over to where Boudica/washington reside

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/DeGaulle/DegG0003.jpg

Note, almost our entire army of rifles were drafted out of Orleans, our food heavy Globe Theater city. This would have definitely been a failed RPC I think if not for adopting Nationhood and utilizing the draft givien our limit in number of cities and lackluster production of an archeopolego map.

we soon get a request from Asoka.

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/DeGaulle/DegG0004.jpg

Yes, we hate her too. we cut all ties with the vile Celt Lady.

After Mass Media, we used a GE for

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/DeGaulle/DegG0005.jpg

OK, now is this a short RPC or going to be a long one.

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/DeGaulle/DegG0006.jpg

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/DeGaulle/DegG0007.jpg

Looks like a very long one. Sheesh, we can't even get control of the damned thing!

So we go in search of more colonies

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/DeGaulle/DegG0009.jpg

And before whe knows it, Boudica is dogpiled.

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/DeGaulle/DegG0010.jpg

Meanwhile, we stop by our good Zealot friend Zara

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/DeGaulle/DegG0011.jpg

That's it Zara, keep the English Lady out of our hair.

Our fighting force has greatly improved from the early Chinese war days.

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/DeGaulle/DegG0012.jpg

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/DeGaulle/DegG0013.jpg

Once we captured Boudica's capital we found

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/DeGaulle/DegG0014.jpg

Very tough to give up that shrined city, but this RPC is about colonies!

Our next GP was an artist

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/DeGaulle/DegG0015.jpg

Unfortunately there is not alot for him to sing about, so we saved him looking for 2 more GPs for another Golden Age.

The screenshot is not about peace, it's about the number of cities Boudica has left

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/DeGaulle/DegG0016.jpg

Because after this

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/DeGaulle/DegG0017.jpg

This happened

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/DeGaulle/DegG0018.jpg

Yep, Boudica vassaled to Asoka!

To Be Continued......................

DeGaulle's League: Part VII


However, we still have washington to beat up on and I think he was stronger anyway.

So we took the Celtic lands

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/DeGaulle/DegG0019.jpg

And who do we get as a vassal?

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/DeGaulle/DegG0020.jpg

My Man Shaka! He certainly knows what to do in a war!!!!!

So far rather non-problematic UN proposals have shown up

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/DeGaulle/DegG0021.jpg

Sure, we are happy with that. However, seams like with so many colonies at least one leader always defies it!

So as we close in on Assembly line, let's look at our draft city

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/DeGaulle/DegG0022.jpg

That's three GGs settled. With all that food we can draft a combat I, Pinch Infantry every 1-2 turns!

So we leave Shaka in charge of this Colony and move against Washington

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/DeGaulle/DegG0024.jpg

One very large benefit of colonies is that we can take ALL our army with us, letting the new leader attend to defenses.

And in the battle of the Liberty Leaders, France pounds America

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/DeGaulle/DegG0025.jpg

Very soon we had the entire land mass controled, upgrading alot of riflemen to Infantry.

And anothervalue of vassals is they are friendly and always willing to make a trade

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/DeGaulle/DegG0026.jpg

See if a capitulated vassal coughs up these techs like this.

Also, I must say happiness is not an issue at all even with limited resources. Alot of "we Influence Civilizations" in our cities.

And as Vicky and Zara get peace, I decide to further stoke the fire.

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/DeGaulle/DegG0028.jpg

THIS ended the English threat to Hyuna once and for all as you will see.

Regarding washington

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/DeGaulle/DegG0029.jpg

Yeah, more of that followed by

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/DeGaulle/DegG0031.jpg

A very nice sized Colony here

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/DeGaulle/DegG0032.jpg

And who do we get for this fine land.

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/DeGaulle/DegG0033.jpg

Oh Mighty Khan, use your warring abilities to purge the world of our enemies!

We took the off-shore New York which we gave to Shaka rather than Ghengis. A way to balance them out.

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/DeGaulle/DegG0034.jpg

Now Washington has 2 cities arround the globe on independent islands, so

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/DeGaulle/DegG0035.jpg

Yeah, Yeah. We aint allowed to take vassals, RPC rules. We are French and I say screw them!

And after a LONGGGGGGGGGGGGG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! time of watchign Percian/Indian/Ethiopian destroyers patrolling our waters we research

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/DeGaulle/DegG0036.jpg

I shoudl mention, we have access to oil (three of them) but no coal at the moment.

Once I returned my army to home base to refueld, we got this call from Zara

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/DeGaulle/DegG0037.jpg

To Be Continued.............................

DeGaulle's League: Part VII

What can we say to Zara, we agree!

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/DeGaulle/DegG0038.jpg

There are a load of marines and tanks arround Hyuna heading towards London. I don't think we have to worry, and besides perhaps we can obtain another colony!

Once London fell, Hyuna has access to a coal resource so we made this trade

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/DeGaulle/DegG0039.jpg

Then Victoria capitulated to Zara which is exactly what I was looking for because

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/DeGaulle/DegG0040.jpg

Zara appears to have the greatest population (and Land) making him my future UN rival. The question is where do Asoka, Darius, Ramesses stand on this.

But of course Asoka has control has the moment and we were faced with this

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/DeGaulle/DegG0041.jpg

Sorry, this resolution I cannot accept, we need the draft. We defied it hoping to get control of the UN soon. With all our colonial vassal happiness this villian -5 happiness is acceptible,.

And Shaka has been busying himself on what Shaka knows best

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/DeGaulle/DegG0043.jpg

Not much help, but hey it's another tech!

Finally the new UN chair vote comes along

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/DeGaulle/DegG0044.jpg

Just like we planned. And the results

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/DeGaulle/DegG0045.jpg

OK, we got control back no no resolutions we need to defy. However, ramesses is a bigtime problem here.

So I saved here, figuring we have some work to do.

Techs

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/DeGaulle/DegG0046.jpg

I say Flight is a real priority here.

And have you ever seen such a complicated Diplomatic world?

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/DeGaulle/DegG0047.jpg

So where are we

1) We greatly increased our world influence by attackign weaker nations and setting up puppet goverments.

2) Ramesses needs to be taken out.

3) Zara is a major military concern here. How much weight does so many vassals have in keeping him off our backs? Also, is he going to ticked if we attack ramesses.

Well, for good or ill we need to attack Ramesses here.

Carriers about 3-4 loaded, tanks/marines. Just have enough destroyers/battleships for fleet protection.

You make these look easy Mad.http://gravyjays.com/images/bb gifs/2thumbsup.gif

Have you been directing your Vassals' research? Likely most of them are not capable of giving you anything much, but there might be the opportunity to send them off to tech things not along your current path... It looks like Pericles is about 10 turns from Fission - which is a tech Asoka currently does not have, and with the Indian willingness to trade flight it could be some good brokering...

You are now at the maximum 18 civilizations in the game, including the two dead ones. Very curious of what will happen if you try spawning another colony, if you'll even be able to!

iv seen a screenshot were someone spawned a colony called "Barbarian" before.:eek:

Yeah, yeah yeah. We've heard of that before. :p

Its Sid the Barbarian. He has no traits and you can't play as him. He's sorta, if not, is an easter egg.

You are now at the maximum 18 civilizations in the game, including the two dead ones. Very curious of what will happen if you try spawning another colony, if you'll even be able to!

It would let me spawn the second major land mass of the French empire as a colony.

YOU DID WHAT?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

Just a way of saying, I'm looking forward to the next segment!

YOU DID WHAT?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

Just a way of saying, I'm looking forward to the next segment!

NO NO NO!

I didn't do it but I had the option. Meaning at 18 civilizations I could still spawn a colony although the slot may be taken from a dead civilization.

Oh! :lol:

10 chars

I like the fact that by DoWing someone you cause a huge dogpile.
You must be close to having the votes to win now, its only about 50% for the UN win isn't it?

I like the fact that by DoWing someone you cause a huge dogpile.
You must be close to having the votes to win now, its only about 50% for the UN win isn't it?

60%, and I believe I have to take Ramesses down. Either that or adopt his religion and OR but that likely sinks us diplomatically with Darius and Asoka.

=D

I wasn't really following this RPG for a chance, but decided to take a look. lol this is great fun!
Looking forward to your next update:)

Enjoy them while they last only a few left before mad is done with them :(

I don't believe it, personally. I don't think Mad could just QUIT like that. :P

WE should give him ~2 months to get on immortal difficulty in his offline games and then make him come back and redo them on emperor.

WE should give him ~2 months to get on immortal difficulty in his offline games and then make him come back and redo them on emperor.

I won't survive 2 months without one of Mad's stories - that's absolutely out of question http://www.civforum.de/images/smilies/niemals.gif

Let's watch Mad making his Immortal upgrade in the wild...err..in the forum. Without the RPG of course. Mad - pleeeeaaaassee ? :D

DeGaulles League: Part VIII

A rather short time frames section with a very large decision to make at the end.

We teched flight while Pericles teched off Fission

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/DeGaulle/DegH0000.jpg

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/DeGaulle/DegH0001.jpg

Given we had only 5 turns left on flight, I did not trade Fission to Asoka. More on Asoka later.

So it is no great surprise what we have planned

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/DeGaulle/DegH0002.jpg

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/DeGaulle/DegH0003.jpg

And since I want to keep Zara happy as well as seeing him NOT declare war on us

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/DeGaulle/DegH0004.jpg

Also prevents Ramesses from voting Zara into the UN, as well as off-setting teh diplo penalty from Asoka and darius for declaring on Ramesses.

So simply we attacked Ramesses land with two cities and a Barb city

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/DeGaulle/DegH0005.jpg

And very soon

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/DeGaulle/DegH0008.jpg

And

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/DeGaulle/DegH0009.jpg

Welcome Hammarabi! Note I am attacking Ramesses with essentially equal strength forces not caring how many drafted French get killed. There are some Tanks but most got killed. Nevertheless, overwhelming forces beat minimal defenders.

We then attacked the Egyptian Homelands

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/DeGaulle/DegH0010.jpg

Took all along the south

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/DeGaulle/DegH0014.jpg

Brought a new fresh force to attack the western part

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/DeGaulle/DegH0015.jpg

And attacked the landlocked capital from three directing in a French suicide assault on the capital.

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/DeGaulle/DegH0018.jpg

I should also mention we got an espionage random event getting us a Great Spy, and we also got a Great General which we settled in teh HE city.

Now, back to the Egyptian capital

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/DeGaulle/DegH0019.jpg

This is prime realestate,

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/DeGaulle/DegH0020.jpg


and the lucky leader is

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/DeGaulle/DegH0021.jpg

Noew we ran into some major issues.

We cannot generate anymore Colonies because there are 18 leaders. (Hammarabi and Suiliman took the 2 dead leader's spots)

We do not have enough votes, so the war against Ramesses must continue. What do we do with the cities??? I plan to force him into capitulation, but do we keep the cities or gift them back to Ramesses (opr gift them to other vassals).

Now regarding darius. He will NOT vote for us as UN Victor so I am seeing Persian Blood on the horizon.

Asoka is voting for us, but...

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/DeGaulle/DegH0022.jpg

And if anyone wants to do the math on the UN vote, be my guest. I am too tired tonight

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/DeGaulle/DegH0023.jpg

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/DeGaulle/DegH0024.jpg

OK, what do you all think???

Is it an option to kill Ramsess to make room for another vassal? If he hates you. he still won't vote for you regardless of being a vassal or not. Just kill him, and spawn off another colony wherever you can. Zara still seems like a monster... if he dies, the game ends. Draft up another army, and kill him. Easy.

BUG to the rescue!

Not sure what you're running, but according to BUG, here are the votes:
http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/1415/votes0000.jpg

Not sure if that shows up well. The basics:
Zara: 410
Victoria: 90

Mad + crew: 366

Asoka: 312
Darius: 269
Rameses: 149

Required: 1008

So, not looking great, but there's still time. If you can get Asoka and Darius to vote for you, then you're getting pretty close to the required votes you need. Without Darius, no chance for now.

What does it take to get your vassals to 'Full Members'? (Don't Full Members get more votes?)
I went searching, but only found "Defy Vote" to get down-graded to 'Voting Member'.

Is it an option to kill Ramsess to make room for another vassal? If he hates you. he still won't vote for you regardless of being a vassal or not. Just kill him, and spawn off another colony wherever you can. Zara still seems like a monster... if he dies, the game ends. Draft up another army, and kill him. Easy.

A vassal has to vote for you unless they can vote for themself, but I think you are right about killing Rameses and using his spot for another colony

Even after finishing off Rameses you still need the votes of both Asoka and Darius according to UWHabs figures, how far are they away from being friendly?
are defensive pacts an option? have you managed to get the gift bonus to maximum yet?

do you get a diplo penalty for having a colony, like you would for a vassal?

After thinking about the game and looking at the advice

1) Ramesses needs to be subdued competely without peace to avouid any additional "You Declared on our friend"

2) Asoka will vote us a UN victory, Darius will not

3) It is very likely Asoka will drop in diplomacy if we attack Darius.

4) Asoka is heading towards a culture win which will be difficult to counter if we have to defeat Ramesses and darius.

5) Zara is too big and dangerous, I aint attacking him.

6) How come my BUG does not have that cool diplo view UWHabs has???

6) How come my BUG does not have that cool diplo view UWHabs has???

Do you have the most recent version? It updated fairly recently.

Do you have the most recent version? It updated fairly recently.

NO. Is there a link and how difficult is it to add? I would rather not chnage the screenshot views too much for people as I only have a few of these RPCs left.

NO. Is there a link and how difficult is it to add? I would rather not chnage the screenshot views too much for people as I only have a few of these RPCs left.

You could try their website (http://civ4bug.sourceforge.net/BUGMod.html). As for changing screenshot views, some features such as min/max buttons on the slider, different specialist organization and new tech screens are optional.

NO. Is there a link and how difficult is it to add? I would rather not chnage the screenshot views too much for people as I only have a few of these RPCs left.

Just uninstall the old, then install the new. Installer does everything.

You could try their website (http://civ4bug.sourceforge.net/BUGMod.html). As for changing screenshot views, some features such as min/max buttons on the slider, different specialist organization and new tech screens are optional.

Also the dotmapper function is awsome! can't live without it now.

NO. Is there a link and how difficult is it to add? I would rather not chnage the screenshot views too much for people as I only have a few of these RPCs left.

It's very easy to add and has a bunch of great new features. IMO an absolutely essential upgrade for BUG fans.

Next (Last?) segment is still going here. It is a Brutally long segment and will post it tomorrow at my saved point.

Next (Last?) segment is still going here. It is a Brutally long segment and will post it tomorrow at my saved point.

Ah the horrors of Marathon. And here i thought my 1 hour for 10 turns was bad. (also on Marathon, but im either about to nuke everyone into submission or get space.)

DeGaulle's League: Part VIII

As I mentioned a very grueling segment (yeah, it's an endless marathon war).

First we have a UN vote

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/DeGaulle/DegI0000.jpg

OK, Asoka no longer votes for us. Anyone know why Suliman is NOT voting for us!

Anyway, we continue to clobber Ramesses all over

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/DeGaulle/DegI0001.jpg

And after taking alot of his cities he finally see's the light

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/DeGaulle/DegI0004.jpg

Sow e welcome another war-beaten vassal.

We cannot spin off a new colony, but

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/DeGaulle/DegI0005.jpg

We can liberate those cities back to Ramesses though, which we did.

A view DeGaulle's League at the moment

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/DeGaulle/DegI0006.jpg

A mighty leader of a handful of weaklings!. However, the big three remain.

Our vassals continue to help our research.

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/DeGaulle/DegI0007.jpg

If you have noticed, we are essentially getting ALL our research from specialists, frequently dropping the slider down to 0%.

The next UN vote (UN victory) shows

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/DeGaulle/DegI0008.jpg

Suliman is on borad, and so is Darius! Asoka is a problem and he is steamrolling towards a Culture win!

It is time to try and break this game out, do or die.

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/DeGaulle/DegI0010.jpg

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/DeGaulle/DegI0011.jpg

We get some really good early successes!

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/DeGaulle/DegI0012.jpg

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/DeGaulle/DegI0013.jpg

Taking shrines, wonder, etc... Lot's of good stuff and we clear the land mass

We coninue working over Asoka, invading two land masses

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/DeGaulle/DegI0019.jpg

His navy is a big problem as he keep trashing out fishing industry, which we try and repair.

Then we start cleaning out the land mass wher our second string of cities are

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/DeGaulle/DegI0021.jpg

Note that Asoka did take one weak northern city on this land mass, whish we reclaimed.

Then another UN diplo vote shows

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/DeGaulle/DegI0023.jpg

Darius has dropped voting for us! Meanwhile we is also frightening close to getting teh last techs for the spaceship!

And our vassals continue to fuels our needs.

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/DeGaulle/DegI0024.jpg

Now Asoka is NOT capitulating, so I have this brillinat idea to remove Boudica.

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/DeGaulle/DegI0025.jpg

Her last city

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/DeGaulle/DegI0026.jpg

Which leads us to

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/DeGaulle/DegI0027.jpg

Simple, I lerbate former Celtic lands to Shaka. Meanwhile I spawned that former Indian Core lands mass out as

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/DeGaulle/DegI0028.jpg

With Boudica dead, another leader slot opened up. Sure we lost many shrines, great wonders, but what is that compared bossing arround another leader!

I was quite tired and ended here last night. Not much of an ending I know, but the game is long.

Asoka is NOT capitulating and needs to be completely taken out, or at least beaten down some more.

Darius is not voting for us and almost immediately needs to be attacked. It may be likely that we need to raze his capital to wreck the SpaceShip though.


No attached save as I am posting the segment at work.

Willt ry and finish this tonight.

I noticed you haven't been granting Lyons, Tours, etc.. independence which would create another colony. Why haven't you done that?

I noticed you haven't been granting Lyons, Tours, etc.. independence which would create another colony. Why haven't you done that?

They are part of the French "Core". I would also lose my military machine in Tours (draft Baby). RPC rules, a 8-12 city core.

Besides, I am out of slots for Colonies.

I suppose I can get another by killing of Asoka :trouble:

@ madscientist

I thought you could only destroy a spaceship while in flight by capturing the opponent's capital-but if the spaceship hasn't lauched there was no impact to the spaceship if you capture their capital. How close is Darius to completing his SS?

I agree-keep :hammer: Asoka until he capitulates or kill him and spin off another colony.

@ madscientist

I thought you could only destroy a spaceship while in flight by capturing the opponent's capital-but if the spaceship hasn't lauched there was no impact to the spaceship if you capture their capital.

And so it is. If you raze Ashoka's capital before the launch, the SS will be completed elsewhere.

Good to know. I will consider what to do with darius and the space ship. Thanks!

I feel like a noob asking this question but after a year and a half playing civ i have never created a colony. How do you pull up that menu that gives you all of your options to give cities back, grant independence, etc.?

I feel like a noob asking this question but after a year and a half playing civ i have never created a colony. How do you pull up that menu that gives you all of your options to give cities back, grant independence, etc.?

It's the city screen (the house button in the upper right hand of Charle's pic, right next to the civics icon).

In the city summary screen, there is a fist in the lower right hand corner. That pops up the menu. If the first is not there, then you do not have the liberation option (such as 18 leaders in teh game, or all your cities are on one land mass).

haven't you allready beaten Asoka enough so he's an nonissue? ...

go smack Darius a few

haven't you allready beaten Asoka enough so he's an nonissue? ...

go smack Darius a few

I need his vote for the UN though. I need Darius too, otherwise the Zara/Victoria block is too big. And if I go after Zara and get too big I may either get an accidental domination, or blow the UN vote by being too big (You cannot have enough votes to vote for myself).

Besides, I am enjoying beating the crap out of weakened leaders. Sort of fit's in with teh RPC angle, damned French!

DeGaulle's Surrender: Finale

Well, as far as I am concerned the game is unwinnable, or should I say an eventual loss is pending. The game is extremely long and tedious with all the civilizations and no longer fun, which violates Mad's first rule of RPCs!

How did we get here?

We sent our navy home to pick up more troops, then started smackign Asoka

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/DeGaulle/DegJ0000.jpg

we continued dismandling the Indians

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/DeGaulle/DegJ0002.jpg

Until Asoka finally realized enlightenment

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/DeGaulle/DegJ0003.jpg

At this point Darius had Modern Infantry, Modern Armor, Jets, Gunships, and was working on Stealth having already secured the needed techs for space.

Our UN vote continue to fall short by the abstention of Darius.

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/DeGaulle/DegJ0005.jpg

We then looked at techs

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/DeGaulle/DegJ0006.jpg

Zara is on Fussions!

We crank up the outdated war machine for one last gasp attempt.

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/DeGaulle/DegJ0007.jpg

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/DeGaulle/DegJ0008.jpg

We managed to capture one city.

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/DeGaulle/DegJ0009.jpg


we gave it to Hyuna, who immediately lost it. We recoved it but had to keep our deminished force there to defend it, awaiting Darius's eventual reclaimation.

And Victory conditions

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/DeGaulle/DegJ0010.jpg

Damn you Zara. Well, he earned a spot in teh last RPC at least.

There is NO WAY I can possibly take out both leaders. Saladin is already starting to pick off our vassal's cities.

And I like the idea of

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd118/MSguy_photo/DeGaulle/DegJ0011.jpg

BEfore I start losing friends, er vassals!

An interesting game that just took too long and the small core empire simply caught up with us!

I added the save incase anyone wants to try and fight out this monstrocity.

Recap to follow

Rules

1) Any RPC with a mandatory Diplo win seams like an eventual disaster!
2) Vassals were stretched (OK broken) but quite late in the game.
3) The Small French Core actually was pretty efficient, although I think it was destined for failure considering teh amount of warring we had to do.

Game comments
Even though this was a loss, and very tedious the last few segments, I felt it showed some interesting game features

1) DRAFT: Was a central part of establishing that army that took down ALOT of leaders. Until deep into the Tank era, re relied pretty much on a conscription army!

2) Colonies: Alot more interesting than I first thought. The happiness, trade, resources were phenominal, something that I ignored way too long in my own games. My only regret is that I spawned too many too early and wasted those 18 slots, something I was not aware of until late in the game.

3) Diplomacy: Was our strength and eventual downfall. Acquiring all those colonies by war added too many "You declared war on our friend" which lost us Asoka's and Darius's support.

I hope you all enjoyed this RPC, and thanks for following.

The next RPC is a One City Challenge where Lincoln has to win via a Space Race.

WHAT? You are backing out of it? THAT IS NOT HONOURABLE!!! http://trekbbs.com/images/smilies/klingon.gif http://trekbbs.com/images/smilies/klingon.gif http://trekbbs.com/images/smilies/klingon.gif

WHAT? You are backing out of it? THAT IS NOT HONOURABLE!!! http://trekbbs.com/images/smilies/klingon.gif http://trekbbs.com/images/smilies/klingon.gif http://trekbbs.com/images/smilies/klingon.gif

Not Honorable? I am French.

I Quit.

Not Honorable? I am French.

I Quit.

BEST
QUOTE
EVER!
:lol:

How many games have you quit now?

:sad:

Although I do understand those tedious games, I have had a few of them. Disappointing to see another RPC go away. :cry:

Mad, tell all your vassals to dog-pile their capital instead of indevisual assualts.

How many games have you quit now?

:sad:

Although I do understand those tedious games, I have had a few of them. Disappointing to see another RPC go away. :cry:

Um, I quit when they are lost! Last one was Hatty once Shaka invaded. I see no point continuing once the game and RPC flavor is lost. I will occasionalyl fight it out to the end such as Fred's Culture loss, Hammarabi's first loss, and of course the famous Gandhi "Fight the Zulu Currasairs with Fast Workers" game.

Hey, if it aint fun it's time to move on. Three days of this is enough.

Mad, tell all your vassals to dog-pile their capital instead of indevisual assualts.

Unfortunately, my vassals are not so smart. Nor are they able to break through those defense.

I am all for razing Darius capital, but once done the UN vote is dead even if I get him and Sala Capitulated fast. Zara is real close to a victory it's just a matter of time.

Um, I quit when they are lost! Last one was Hatty once Shaka invaded. I see no point continuing once the game and RPC flavor is lost. I will occasionalyl fight it out to the end such as Fred's Culture loss, Hammarabi's first loss, and of course the famous Gandhi "Fight the Zulu Currasairs with Fast Workers" game.

Hey, if it aint fun it's time to move on. Three days of this is enough.

You're right. I think I am too attached to the RPCs, that's all. :D

You deserve a job well done Mad! :goodjob:

Mad, please don't drop it. It's one of your last RPCs and might become the second loss in a row. Why don't you let Zara launch his spaceship while you have a huge stack just ready to raze his capital the turn after? A bunch of tanks will do the job, even if it's just to do that then let them get destroyed. I don't remember quite well, but you could nuke him hard and then you just wipe him off the earth with your huge stack of outdated units (Shaka style). By doing so, UN win gets kind of impossible, unless you convert you and your vassals to a religion different than his. What do you think?

Hey, if it aint fun it's time to move on. Three days of this is enough.

And that's it - it's a shame this game got lost :( but I know what Mad means.

I've had one with Emperor Saladin a few weeks ago - and somehow I got stuck with 5 cities, lousy production and quasi non-existent research in 415 AD (epic). I don't even know what went so effing wrong to bring me in that situation. That wasn't fun anymore either.

Take a breather, Mad. Not too long, of course - I'm anxious to read about Lincolns worldruling wonder city :)

Mad, please don't drop it. It's one of your last RPCs and might become the second loss in a row. Why don't you let Zara launch his spaceship while you have a huge stack just ready to raze his capital the turn after? A bunch of tanks will do the job, even if it's just to do that then let them get destroyed. I don't remember quite well, but you could nuke him hard and then you just wipe him off the earth with your huge stack of outdated units (Shaka style). By doing so, UN win gets kind of impossible, unless you convert you and your vassals to a religion different than his. What do you think?

The problem is that both Darius and Zara have to have their capitals razed once the SpaceSHip is launched, which will be pretty soon. DeGaulles army has been desimated, and what I did have has been on the march. The home defenders are too weak to with-stand the inevitable counter attack, plus I need to ACQUIRE land for the Diplo win while watching my Vassals get taken (and they will be).

The game is simply unwinnable at this point, and by the time I get the Manhatten Project built I will be seeing another Persian or Ethiopian SpaceShip LAunched.

Look at it as a failed French Colonial Empire, so Degaule simply wants to stay at home now drinking wine and misdirecting teh UN with stupid resolution!

Mad... think of this RPC,as well as the other two French, as proof that France couldn't make it to being as superpower. :lol:

Mad... think of this RPC,as well as the other two French, as proof that France couldn't make it to being as superpower. :lol:

Actually Napolean's RPC turned out well, frightening well!

But I see you point

Louis lost because Ragnar controlled the UN

DeGaulle lost becaus ehe failed to control the UN

You're right Mad. Sorry for being bossy. I also abandon my unwinnable games, it's just that I like the RPCs a lot and would like to follow them a bit more.

This one was fine, got to be interesting and unique. It was the Happy Hatty one that was disappointing, quitting halfway through as soon as he was declared on and then not restarting.

This one was fine, got to be interesting and unique. It was the Happy Hatty one that was disappointing, quitting halfway through as soon as he was declared on and then not restarting.

I agree about this. Happy Hatty was a disappointement, but then again one of the more boring RPCs. Just not interested in a restart although she probably deserved one.