this is a discussion on weather or not to include the new cities in the current province or start a new one? ill post a poll once we get a good discussion going

i think that they should be if they are options 1,2,3,4, because they are close to Bohemia. However option 5 should start its own province becuase it is not as close to the other cities.

The Great Iguanaman

that image isnt part of this discussion but good points

That's a tough question to answer unless we know where the new cities will be built. I certainly think Valhalla should be part of Bohemia.

i was refering to the proposal Fionn posted on his latest poll. I think you should put a picture of it on this so we can have a discussion where intsead of saying up north with the ice and by the iron, we can say 5.

The Great Iguanaman

I am working on a preliminary border map. On it, Bavaria would be at the southern edge of Bohemia...

It's still early in game years, so not much has been discovered. Now we have an eastern, and possibly southern border.

I think we should define provincial borders. Then wherever the city is placed will determine what province it is in. We're sort of putting the cart before the horse here.

I have created an initail proposal for our province borders.

http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads2/provinceborderdiscussion1.jpg

This border proposal is very close to one I tried to post earlier, but was unable to 'cos i'm inept.
I think that in general the use of mountains for borders is realy good, especially when it creates such neat areas. I would however caution against the exterior borders used (ie the ones that define the outermost part of the province) IMHO these provinces are still a little small and will require tweakin when we know how our enemies lie.

The way things are looking, we will be using a tight build strat. The geographic sizes are smaller to compensate for closer cities.

I think that is a very nicely drawn out map. However, i disagree with the size of Bohemia. Since we will be building very tightknit, our provincial boraders should also be fairly tightknit. I would cut of the boundary of Bohemia at the gulf just above The Great Valhalla, and then go stright over to where the black starts. At the tile where it is forst and tundra, we should slant down to meet the vertex of Province 2 and Province 6. By the way, does the nameing of provinces follow the chain of command too?

The Great Iguanaman

The first governor of a new province names that province.

I actually think Bohemia would look best as small as possible.

i think we need to wait and see where the next city is placed then go from there bordership wise

If we decide on boarders right now, then citizens can take the borders into account when we vote on where to build our next city.

The Great Iguanaman

i think bohemia and province 6 should be combined, otherwise bohemia is too small. if you dont like that then at least extend bohemia a little more to the west up there.

our provinces need to be small, like maybe, three or four cities, we actually more. We should end this game with atleast, like 9-10 provinces. I think that my proposed boarder change should be the only change to Octavians map.

The Great Iguanaman

a province that small is a waste of a fine administrative staff, the larger the provinces are, the less staff we need for them which means a budget savings and the ability to pick only the finest people. no settling for second best just to fill vacant slots.

I have posted two rules that should be followed for provincial boarders. The are in the Dom. Minitry thread. If you agree with them, tell me, if not, tell me why and we can change them. It doesnt accomplish anything to holler back and forth. I understand your point NL, and it is very valid but you must understand the importance of having fairly small provinces. I think that the MAX amount of cities in a province should be 6. This way no one provincial govenor becomes too powerful or too week.

SOMEONE go elect me as the Turn chat rep for the Trade Ministry. I just need one more vote.

The Great Iguanaman

GI we had i think 11 or 13 provinces in our last game all with about 5,6,7 cities in each cept one which i dont know why was another province so it is easy to have loads of provinces

Originally posted by neutral leader
a province that small is a waste of a fine administrative staff, the larger the provinces are, the less staff we need for them which means a budget savings and the ability to pick only the finest people. no settling for second best just to fill vacant slots.
Yes, but I think the capital province as kind of special. It shouldn't extend out to much. I would like Bohemia similar the Discrict of Columbia. The other can look more like provinces. The capital province is an important one. Small or not, people would want to govern it.

I have submitted a new Provincial Border Plan in the
"How do we define our borders" (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?threadid=31202&pagenumber=5#newpost) thread.