I'm in a game right now where Sueliman was at a very high pleased (was friendly only a few turns earlier) and was my main trading partner to my east as I wiped Charly off the map at my west; and as I finish the job he DOW's me. He's worst enemies with Shaka (to his north) and is absolutly pissed with him (two previous wars before he DOW's me). Anyhow I'm just rather irked because I thought he would be a solid trade partner. Is there a source that I haven't found that will detail who will declare at pleased, who is a good trade partner, etc; as I don't have the games under my belt to 'feel' their habits.

Cheers, Deux.

I reacted too quickly. Charly, who only has one city left, vassalized to him. My request remains but i did seem weird. My power rating is 2.1x higher than his and my main production city is right at the border with him. He is screwed; why are weak civs willing to take vassals that will put them at war with the big civs?

I believe the list (which I think that I ripped from MadScientist) is:
Asoka
Augustus
Boudica
Brennus
Charlemagne
Chuchill
Cyrus
Darius
DeGaulle
Frederick
Gandhi
Hammurabi
Hathshepsut
Joao
Justinian
Lincoln
Mehmed
Pericles
Ramesses
Saladin
Sitting Bull
Suleiman
Wang Kon
Washington

If they go in WHEOOH mode prior to becoming pleased, I believe that they can still attack you.

There's a PDF titled C4BtS_RefGuide(standard)_EN that I would download which has a whole bunch of very useful info incl the relative peace probabilities depending on the leader's disposition.

Many thanks you dirtyparrot.

I thought Cathy could declare at pleased, she can certainly be bribed to attack at friendly.

Also it seems Willem is missing.

i believe you all know that this list is leaders who do not declare at pleased.
some of them i have never seen declaring at all :lol:

That list are the AI's that DO NOT declare at pleased, but as dirtyparrot mentioned can still DOW you at pleased if they went WHEOOHRN before becoming pleased with you.

I wasnt paying attention heh.

The Op requested a list of leaders that declared at pleased and i took it on face value.
Is there a source that I haven't found that will detail who will declare at pleased

I will have more coffee and fix my numb mental state :)

EVERYONE can declare war on you while pleased or even friendly with you. Not everyone will start planning to attack you while pleased or friendly with you, except for vassal complications.

There's a guide on here somewhere called "BTS reference guide that has this information - very useful. I have a sheet of paper that I use as my crib notes version, and one column on it has the list of leaders who won't start planning to attack you at pleased. That's one of the more critical things to know as you move up in levels.

I was going to say that any list with Ghandi and Freddy on it but not MOnty is not a list of declaring at pleased

Side note: Is it not weird that Freddy is such a pacifist. Most of the other leaders reflect their historical dispositions and having the man that Napoleon considered the greatest general ever and who favored pre-emptive strikes as a die hard pacifist is a little odd.

The appearance of a few of the leaders on the list is mildly surprising but then I remembered that to even get the particular leaders to pleased involved similar religions otherwise they would likely attack you.

To answer your titled question, "Who declares at Pleased!?!"

I DO!

I am almost certain I have had Cyrus declare war on me while pleased. Same with Boudica. Perhaps not, though.

well, as it has already been pointed out, they can do it.
What they can not do is to make a war roll (go WHEOOHRN) against you while pleased.
If they were cautious while making a decision? and after it became pleased, then no problem, it'll be a backstab

Please pardon my utter noobishness, but what does WHEOOHRN stand for?

never mind
that's me who should beg pardon for my snobbism :)
it's "We Have Enough On Our Hands Right Now"
Usually AI's can be bribeb to sart a war at some attitude value. But sometimes when you hover your mouse over an diplomatic option to "Declare war on Foo", you see response "We Have Enough On Our Hands Right Now".
This means this AI either is allready in state of war, or have decided to start a war on his own.
It makes a decision by throwing a dice (surprisingly ;) ). And after it's made nothing except another war can distract him from the decision to attack someone.
So basically if, say, Boudica is pleased with you, she can not start preparing for war with you (go WHEOOHRN).
If she is cautios, she can. Then she becomes WHEOOHRN and starts building units and amassing them against you. If, while she is doing so, her attitude changes to pleased, it doesn't matter - the war is already decided.

If she is cautios, she can. Then she becomes WHEOOHRN and starts building units and amassing them against you. If, while she is doing so, her attitude changes to pleased, it doesn't matter - the war is already decided.

Not entirely true. It's not a fait accompli that the AI will attack if they go in WHEOOHRN, they can always drop those plans. It's not a bad idea of beg for a nominal sum of gold.

^ i tries this quite many times. they really delay their plans for 10 turns, but then still attack.
but i've really seen AI's dropping plans to attack for some reason, although i doubt it's because of forced peace treaty after tribute.

^ You can build your defenses up a lot during those 10 turns. I've also seen AI switch targets after realizing how heavily fortified my city was. Happened in my current game. Ragnar was in WHEOOHRN mode and I was fairly sure that I was the target. I was busy building up my defenses in the likely targeted city and he moved his stack in a completely different direction to attack Gandhi. I decided to replay the situation, but without focusing so heavily on military and sure enough he attacked.

my absolute favorite is the massive sneak amphibious assault against my one coastal city with only two defenders in it. That one never gets old :rolleyes:

Thanks for the clarifications. Do we know the odds (i.e. algorithm) a nation going WHEOOHRN on us according to, say, our power, # of military units, tech. advance, etc.?

2dirtypatriot
your example shows that begging for 40 coins is worth just more than i used to think.
if AI switches target seeing how strong you are, then it's extremely useful trick on higher speeds.

i play mainly marathon though, but it's still quite much that you can do within 10 turns.

2MarquisDeSade
There was a nice article here recently describing warrol probabilities for most leaders and attitudes.
i do not remember the link but maybe someone else posts.
This sheet is very useful too:
http://forums.civfanatics.com/downloads.php?do=file&id=3359

Thanks again Nanomage. I was looking forward to get a grip on a table like this one.

One thing I wondered. In my current game, I'm on a continent with Wang Kon, Hannibal, and Boudica. I'm middle-ish, jungle above, and I notice below me in Wang, in the tundra. But with 1 city, I can lock him out (rushing protective AI who founds religion, when no copper and my main source of horses is in a border war = bad idea). So I leave him, and expand out to grab lots of land, planning for either a cat/sword war, or mace/treb, or more likely Oromo/Treb or Oromo/Cannon (being Zara).

So, this game, I had the earliest WHEOOHN ever. Wang went into into I could have sworn it wasn't much past turn 15 or 20. I barely got my second city, and started thinking, "holy crap, he's going to try to rush me." Sure, peaceweights told him that Boudica was his worst enemy, but I was worried. Then a bit later, he just dropped out of it, and went on his merry way.

First, that was pretty darn early to go into WHEOOHN. Next, he's not in war mode now (he's even had a war or 2 with Boudica, although nothing happened). I'm at pleased with him now. Am I still in danger from a "sneak attack" from him that he planned like 100 turns ago?

Wang Kon will not DOW you at pleased unless he was in WHEOOHRN mode beforehand or by AP vote.

search for WHEOOHRN mechanics as these are very important. It is also of not ethat when a comp enters WHEOOHRN that doesn't mean they are attacking you. ONly somebody. The decision is a dice roll but its weaighted for diplo stance, distance and I believe power ranking.

The thing that I don't understand about the C4bts_refguide is what the part in the leaders section that will say something like "declare war: pleased, declare war on x:cautious" means.

Also, in the previous list that turned out to be the leaders who DONT declare at pleased, shouldn't hannibal be on that list?

Blast from the past!

"Declare war on x: cautious" in that list means that they can be bribed into war against X if their attitude towards X is cautious or worse.

I believe the list (which I think that I ripped from MadScientist) is:
Asoka
Augustus
Boudica
Brennus
Charlemagne
Chuchill
Cyrus
Darius
DeGaulle
Frederick
Gandhi
Hammurabi
Hathshepsut
Joao
Justinian
Lincoln
Mehmed
Pericles
Ramesses
Saladin
Sitting Bull
Suleiman
Wang Kon
Washington

If they go in WHEOOH mode prior to becoming pleased, I believe that they can still attack you.

There's a PDF titled C4BtS_RefGuide(standard)_EN that I would download which has a whole bunch of very useful info incl the relative peace probabilities depending on the leader's disposition.

Gandhi? Why Gandhi?

What is WHEOOH Mode.

Gandhi? Why Gandhi?

What is WHEOOH Mode.

I believe that's a list of civs who WON'T decide to go to war at Pleased or better. WHEOOHRN = We Have Enough On Our Hands Right Now, which basically means they're in war or are planning one. If they enter that mode while at Cautious, they may still declare on you later after becoming Pleased or even Friendly with you.

War Probabilities at Pleased
(Backstabbing rating)

Alexander, Catherine, Louis XIV, Mao Zedong, Montezuma, Qin Shi Huang, Victoria, Willem van Oranje - 20%

Bismark, Elizabeth, Roosevelt, Genghis Khan, Gilgamesh, Huayna Capac, Isabella, Julius Ceasar, Kublai Khan, Mansa Musa, Napoleon, Pacal, Peter, Ragnar, Shaka, Stalin, Suryavarman, Tokugawa, Zara Yacob - 10%

Others have "We cannot betray our close friends" attitude while Pleased

War Probabilities at Pleased
(Backstabbing rating)

Alexander, Catherine, Louis XIV, Mao Zedong, Montezuma, Qin Shi Huang, Victoria, Willem van Oranje - 20%

Bismark, Elizabeth, Roosevelt, Genghis Khan, Gilgamesh, Huayna Capac, Isabella, Julius Ceasar, Kublai Khan, Mansa Musa, Napoleon, Pacal, Peter, Ragnar, Shaka, Stalin, Suryavarman, Tokugawa, Zara Yacob - 10%

Others have "We cannot betray our close friends" attitude while Pleased

Here is one that is really crazy. Khan was "Friendly" with me. So friendly, in fact, that we had a Defensive Pact. On the next turn he attacked my Vassal, which sucked me into a fatal war with him. Now I have to back up the game about 150 years and destroy Ghandi rather than let him Vassal with me. These Vassal states are hard to work with diplomatically.:)

Yay! Another person got screwed by a GUI that lies to the player :sad:.

AI averages its diplo with you and your vassal and will never, ever tell you that. It will mislead you with a -1 which is generally only a small fraction of what is actually occurring.

Yay! Another person got screwed by a GUI that lies to the player :sad:.

AI averages its diplo with you and your vassal and will never, ever tell you that. It will mislead you with a -1 which is generally only a small fraction of what is actually occurring.

Okay, that explains it. Thanks. Lesson learned.

I believe the list (which I think that I ripped from MadScientist) is:
Asoka
Augustus
Boudica
Brennus
Charlemagne
Chuchill
Cyrus
Darius
DeGaulle
Frederick
Gandhi
Hammurabi
Hathshepsut
Joao
Justinian
Lincoln
Mehmed
Pericles
Ramesses
Saladin
Sitting Bull
Suleiman
Wang Kon
Washington

If they go in WHEOOH mode prior to becoming pleased, I believe that they can still attack you.

There's a PDF titled C4BtS_RefGuide(standard)_EN that I would download which has a whole bunch of very useful info incl the relative peace probabilities depending on the leader's disposition.

This is actually the list of those who won't plan war at pleased. lasombra1984 posted the correct info as regards who can enter war planning mode at pleased.

Note however that Catherine can be bribed into war against somebody she is at friendly with, DeGaulle and Suleiman can be bribed against somebody they are pleased with.

This is actually the list of those who won't plan war at pleased. lasombra1984 posted the correct info as regards who can enter war planning mode at pleased.

Note however that Catherine can be bribed into war against somebody she is at friendly with, DeGaulle and Suleiman can be bribed against somebody they are pleased with.
I've noticed that Mansa also can be bribed into war against someone he is Pleased with. Even if he's Cautious at you :lol:
But you have to pay a LOT of your techs and he's so weak that you'll have to protect him)
IMO best mercenary is Shaka. He can be bribed with gold, and his prices are low)

About Vassal's - each Vassal adds you extra -1 "we are worried about our rivals bla-bla-bla"
Some Vassal crazy AIs (Justinian, Charlemagne) destroy their diplomacy with this strategy
Also this makes them mean war-allies - you make plans about capturing some cities but they accept capitulation as soon as possible