Wow. Can't believe it's Wednesday already. Well, Monday's Turn Chat didn't go as planned because of my battery charger, but I did manage to knock out 20 turns in 4 days. We'll try for another Friday night T/C.

If our current Ministers and Mayors would be kind enough to post Instructions below, they will be adhered to.

DemoGame, July 6th, 1200AD (http://forums.civfanatics.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=220279&d=1246938920)

Excellent, we almost have the whole continent! It's been awhile since I last posted, but hopefully I should be able to attend.

First notice (and maybe the only notice). I will probably have to move up the start time of the T/C tonight. Work has gotten in the way again. ;)

It might be as early as 1700 CDT (5pm). We'll see what happens.

Ohh much better for me, you may well have some company again.

Yeah, looks like 1700 CDT. I'm almost ready to go.

Domestic Recommendations:

Sell unneeded barracks as soon as it is safe to do so, since we now control Sun Tzu's Art of War.
Build the Forbidden Palace in Maeve after the factory completes.
Change the Rhiannon, Molly, Tara, Caitlyn and Moria city builds to factory.
Rail to the Byzantine front.
Debate on Hoover Dam.


However, winning the war comes first.

We are going to play Settlers of Catan with friends, so I won't be able to be part of the turn chat.

Turn 8 Game Save. Lots to discuss!

Pics a little later.

Chatlog:

22:54] <Cyc> We don't ant to prematurely end our alliance with our good friend Bismarck.

Session Start: Fri Jul 10 22:49:10 2009
Session Ident: #turnchat
03[22:49] * Now talking in #turnchat
[22:51] <Fur> Think I'm logging as Furiey
[22:51] <Cyc> cool. thanks again.
[22:51] <Cyc> OK, starting T/C
[22:52] <Cyc> Starting Civ3
[22:53] <Cyc> I believe we're at 1200 AD
[22:53] <Cyc> <Cyc>: As you know, we etended our alliance against the Byz with the Cairde.
[22:54] <Cyc> We still have 16 turns left to eliminate 4 Byz cities
[22:56] <Cyc> We have Persian and Byz Galleons and Galleys up by old Formorach.
[22:56] <Cyc> We might have Rubber in 10 turns.
01[22:57] <Furiey> nice
[22:57] <Cyc> Looks like we're headed for Casarea for battle next.
[22:58] <Cyc> Any pre-turn irems you'd like to consider/chnge/look at?
01[22:58] <Furiey> Don't have Civ on this laptop which makes it a little difficult...
01[22:59] <Furiey> Hmmm, could download CivAssist so I can have some sort of look...
[23:00] <Cyc> Just wondering if you had prior concerns
[23:00] <Cyc> I'd like to take the Rufleman out of Tara and put him in Constantinople.
[23:00] <Cyc> I can wait for your dl
[23:01] <Cyc> :) Rufleman.
[23:01] <Cyc> They have ridges...
01[23:01] <Furiey> LOL!
[23:03] <Cyc> Cool. CommandoBob posted Instructions.
01[23:05] <Furiey> Probably better to continue, I have to fight with getting it to install with Vista :(
[23:06] <Cyc> k
[23:07] <Cyc> Looking at CB's Instructions, I'm troubled.
01[23:09] <Furiey> didn't we have a prebuild going for hoover?
[23:09] <Cyc> Maeve was supposed to build a Coal Plant next, then Hoover Dam. But CB handles Culture. The original plan was to have the Forbidden Palace out in pld Foorach Land
[23:09] <Cyc> Im ok with Factories
[23:09] <Cyc> What do you think about the FP?
[23:10] <Cyc> I don't think we should build it. I never do. My first Leder rushes it in an appropriate city.
01[23:11] <Furiey> I haven't seen the save for over a month now, but thought it was going in the conquered lands.
[23:11] <Cyc> Yes, I believe Glynnis is the best location
[23:12] <Cyc> It will bring us the best commerce and corruption fighting and culture
01[23:12] <Furiey> Here's hoping .NET 1.1 installs OK on Vista
[23:13] <Cyc> I don't agree with the concept that the FP lost it's lustre and is now just a gteway to aditional city optimization
[23:13] <Cyc> good luck
[23:18] <Cyc> Core cities changed to Factories
[23:18] <Cyc> 4 Riflemen still being built.
[23:19] <Cyc> End of pre-turn
[23:19] <Cyc> 1200AD/746g/ +42gpt
[23:19] <Cyc> RP in 10
[23:21] <Cyc> Alex wants to purchase our Dyes for 13gpt.
[23:22] <Cyc> He's annoyed.
01[23:24] <Furiey> He always seems annoyed
[23:24] <Cyc> He will pay 15gpt. What do you think?
[23:25] <Cyc> No Instructions from TO
01[23:25] <Furiey> It's always useful
02[23:25] * Fur (mibbit@cpc1-flit1-0-0-cust389.lutn.cable.ntl.com) Quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client)
01[23:27] <Furiey> Arrgh, I now appear to have a 350MB Vista update downloading!
[23:28] <Cyc> He will not give up the Saltpetre without getting Sci Meth.
[23:28] <Cyc> I'll just do the 15gpt deal
[23:28] <Cyc> :)
[23:28] <Cyc> Done
01[23:30] <Furiey> We don't want to sell Sci Meth, and will have rubber soon enough
Session Close: Fri Jul 10 23:30:24 2009

Session Start: Fri Jul 10 23:30:24 2009
Session Ident: #turnchat
02[23:30] * Disconnected
02[23:30] * Attempting to rejoin channel #turnchat
03[23:30] * Rejoined channel #turnchat
[23:30] <Cyc> Constantinople completes Temple start Cathedral
[23:31] <Cyc> Aerona Rifle-->Rifle
[23:32] <Cyc> Septum Temple-->Harbor
[23:37] <Cyc> Moving troops and Workers
[23:39] <Cyc> Vet GS leave City Red Temporarily and goes to Falcon's Haven to Kill the Vet Persian Longbow outside of the city.
[23:41] <Cyc> Back inside FH
[23:42] <Cyc> End turn 1
[23:42] <Cyc> 1210AD/ 790g/ +37gpt
[23:43] <Cyc> RP in 9
[23:43] <Cyc> Pressing Enter
[23:45] <Cyc> Ottomans and Persia have signed a Military Alliance against us.
01[23:45] <Furiey> oops
[23:47] <Cyc> Maeve Factory-->Coal Plant
[23:48] <Cyc> Fionna Cathedral-->Factory
[23:49] <Cyc> Green #11 Cathedral-->Aqueduct
[23:52] <Cyc> BTW, the Persian shipps left Constantinople and headed North towards Gwendolyn
01[23:52] <Furiey> Got CivAssist going, but can't see the map as it uses the Civ graphics
01[23:53] <Furiey> Didn't realise that we have already built ToE
[23:54] <Cyc> Adrianople has been railroaded, Constantinople has not.
[23:58] <Cyc> yup
[23:58] <Cyc> Moved units forward, RRing in front line. Caesarea is about to be attacked.
[23:59] <Cyc> too badabout the map
Session Close: Sat Jul 11 00:00:00 2009

Session Start: Sat Jul 11 00:00:00 2009
Session Ident: #turnchat
01[00:00] <Furiey> Yeah, I'll have to get all my Civ stuff next time I'm home
[00:02] <Cyc> Rushe Temple in Kyleigh for 64g
[00:05] <Cyc> China, who is not at war with us has moved a Lonbow across our Northern Border
[00:05] <Cyc> End turn2
[00:06] <Cyc> 1220AD/ 763g/ +38gpt
[00:06] <Cyc> RP in 8
[00:07] <Cyc> Pressing Enter
[00:07] <Cyc> China wants to talk
[00:11] <Cyc> They want to trade us their Territory map for Scientic Method. HA!
01[00:11] <Furiey> I think not...
[00:11] <Cyc> Major Byz Assault at Gwendolyn. Will detail troops landed in a bit
[00:12] <Cyc> Ottoman Knight leaves Hereclea and advances towards Camulodunum
[00:14] <Cyc> Sardica Temple-->Library
[00:14] <Cyc> Lorna Rifleman-->Rifleman
[00:14] <Cyc> Kyleigh Temple-->Maketplace
01[00:15] <Furiey> CRP Suite lets me see the map without Civ instslle
01[00:15] <Furiey> installed, but not units
[00:16] <Cyc> 3 out of 4 Trebs hit at Caesarea, injure Vet Muskrat twice, Vet Pike once
[00:18] <Cyc> Elite Cav kills wounded Muskrat
[00:20] <Cyc> Nope, Cav Kills Pike, Elite Knight kills Muskrat
[00:20] <Cyc> Takes Caesarea
[00:22] <Cyc> Starts Temple to secure the Saltpetre
01[00:23] <Furiey> no need to trade for it now
[00:24] <Cyc> Persians landed 1 Reg Archer, Cav, Longbowman, and warrior. Two Vet Immortals
01[00:25] <Furiey> can we cover?
[00:28] <Cyc> Probably.
[00:29] <Cyc> AC in Falcon's Haven kills approaching Persian Longbow
[00:31] <Cyc> Moved spare Pike into vacant Glynnis
[00:43] <Cyc> Sorry, had to do some work
[00:44] <Cyc> Bring Vet GS in to Gwen and he kills Vet Cav
01[00:44] <Furiey> nice going!
[00:45] <Cyc> make that reg Cav
[00:45] <Cyc> Bring Vet AC into Gwen and kills Vet Immortal
[00:47] <Cyc> Bring Vet Ac into Gwen and he dies aginst Vet Immrtal, but redlines him
[00:48] <Cyc> Bring Vet Ac into Gwen and he kills reg Warrior
[00:48] <Cyc> Bring Vet Ac into Gwen and he kills reg Longbow
[00:50] <Cyc> Bring Vet Cav into Gwen and he kills reg Longbow (I thought there was only 1?)
[00:51] <Cyc> :) Bring Elite Pike into Gwen and he kills redlined Immortal. No promotions
[00:54] <Cyc> Problem solved. Awaiting another Persian drop, a small one.
[00:54] <Cyc> Move Rhiannon Rifle into Camuldodunum
[00:55] <Cyc> No other threats
[00:56] <Cyc> End of turn 3
[00:56] <Cyc> 1230AD/ 802g/ =45gpt
[00:56] <Cyc> RP in 7
[00:56] <Cyc> Pressing Enter
[00:58] <Cyc> Camuldodunum Rifle rebuffs Ottoman Knight
[00:59] <Cyc> Glynnis riots
[00:59] <Cyc> Nemausus Rifle-->Rifle
[01:00] <Cyc> Richmond Temple--> Harbor
[01:05] <Cyc> Caesarea RRd
[01:06] <Cyc> 1 more resistor there before we can rush (was 4)
[01:07] <Cyc> No new threats
[01:07] <Cyc> End turn 4
[01:07] <Cyc> 1240AD/ 847g/ +51gpt
[01:07] <Cyc> RP in 6
01[01:07] <Furiey> always goes quicker after that first turn
[01:07] <Cyc> Pressing Enter
[01:08] <Cyc> :)
[01:08] <Cyc> Thought I lost ya
01[01:08] <Furiey> typing a letter to a friend in Afganistan
[01:09] <Cyc> Caesarea riots
[01:10] <Cyc> Smyrna riots
01[01:10] <Furiey> war wearieness or just resisters?
[01:11] <Cyc> Breyr Rifle-->Harbor
[01:11] <Cyc> Coventry Temple-->Marketplce
[01:12] <Cyc> Nicomedia riots. All riots in Byz cities.
[01:13] <Cyc> Vet Persian Longbow advances on Falcon's Haven again
[01:14] <Cyc> Rifle goes to Liverpool, sees Beatles at debut....
[01:15] <Cyc> Constantinople is RRd
[01:19] <Cyc> Vet AC in FH kills Persian LB, but redlines outside of city
01[01:19] <Furiey> can't keep it safe?
[01:21] <Cyc> Moved Tara's Rifle to cover it.
[01:21] <Cyc> No other threats.
[01:22] <Cyc> End turn 5
[01:22] <Cyc> 1250AD/ 898g/ +52gpt
[01:22] <Cyc> RP in 4
[01:22] <Cyc> Pressing Enter
[01:24] <Cyc> Ottomans land Knight next to Caesarea
[01:25] <Cyc> London Temple-->Marketplace
01[01:25] <Furiey> at least just a Knight not a Siphi
[01:25] <Cyc> rioting cities all calm down
[01:27] <Cyc> My mistake. That was an Ottoman Sipahi. :eek:
01[01:27] <Furiey> :eek:!
Session Close: Sat Jul 11 01:35:10 2009

Session Start: Sat Jul 11 01:35:10 2009
Session Ident: #turnchat
02[01:35] * Disconnected
02[01:35] * Attempting to rejoin channel #turnchat
03[01:35] * Rejoined channel #turnchat
[01:36] <Cyc> Cover all empty cities, except for 4 in the heart of Fomorach Land
[01:37] <Cyc> Vet Cav kills Byz vet LB across enemy lines, comes back
[01:38] <Cyc> Rush Temple in Caesarea for 112 gold
[01:38] <Cyc> End turn 6
[01:38] <Cyc> 1255AD/ 838g/ +52gpt
[01:39] <Cyc> RP in 2 (got a break!)
[01:39] <Cyc> Pressing enter
[01:42] <Cyc> Ottoman Knight attacks wounded Elite Cave outside of Camulodunum and loses, creating our first Great Leader, Micheal Collins
[01:44] <Cyc> He quickly mends the wounds of the Elite Cav and reloads the rifle.
[01:44] <Cyc> Persians land another asault next to Caesare this time.
[01:44] <Cyc> Nottingham Temple-->Marketplace
[01:45] <Cyc> Caesarea Temple-->Library
[01:46] <Cyc> Nicaea riots
01[01:46] <Furiey> Great Leader - Woo Hoo!
[01:46] <Cyc> Warwick Aqueduct-->Cathedral
[01:46] <Cyc> I want to build the F!
[01:46] <Cyc> Oops FP!
[01:47] <Cyc> Gwendolyn Library-->Temple
[01:48] <Cyc> Sinead Temple-->Marketplace
01[01:49] <Furiey> FP - That's what I was thinking, we can build it wherever we like now.
[01:53] <Cyc> Pollution at Maeve.
[01:53] <Cyc> ave Workers working on it
[01:54] <Cyc> Yes, the FP in Glynnis would be excellent.
[01:54] <Cyc> End turn 7
[01:55] <Cyc> 1260AD/ 888g (a bad sign?)/ 214gpt
[01:55] <Cyc> RP in 1 (drumroll)
[01:55] <Cyc> Pressing Enter
[01:58] <Cyc> Oops! I got so excited I forgot to kill the Persian assault!
[01:58] <Cyc> Persian LB attacks Caesarea and dies against Cav
[01:59] <Cyc> Persian Immortal does same
[01:59] <Cyc> Persian Longbow kills Vet Cav
[01:59] <Cyc> Persian Archer moves inland.
01[02:00] <Furiey> So glad I'm not the only one to do that...
[02:01] <Cyc> Persians land 2 (I think) Vet Cavs
[02:01] <Cyc> Byz land a Vet Cav in same area (around Caesarea)
[02:01] <Cyc> I'll get those guys soon
[02:01] <Cyc> We learn Replaceable Parts, start Sanitation
[02:02] <Cyc> Maeve finished Coal Plant, starts Hoover Damn!
01[02:05] <Furiey> :dance:
[02:05] <Cyc> Our workers are Working much more efficiently
[02:10] <Cyc> Persian and Byz threat vanquished.
[02:10] <Cyc> Lost Vet Cav, Vet GS, and Vet Rifle (tough bunch)
01[02:11] <Furiey> won overall though
[02:11] <Cyc> yup
[02:12] <Cyc> Switch Aerona from Rifle to Factory
[02:12] <Cyc> Switch Nemausus from Rifle to Cathedral
[02:14] <Cyc> AND.... We have Rubber!
[02:14] <Cyc> 1 tile East of Sardica
[02:16] <Cyc> Switch Lorna from Rifle to Guerilla
[02:16] <Cyc> Rubber is not hooked up
[02:17] <Cyc> End of turn 8
[02:17] <Cyc> 1265AD/ 1104g/ +1gpt
[02:17] <Cyc> Sanitation in 5
01[02:17] <Furiey> good about the rubber
[02:18] <Cyc> I say we stop here. What say you?
01[02:18] <Furiey> sounds good
[02:18] <Cyc> coll
[02:18] <Cyc> saving
01[02:18] <Furiey> weh have rubber and can decide on the FP
[02:21] <Cyc> Yes. I have uploaded the sve.
[02:21] <Cyc> Will do pics in a bit.

Finally, your end T/C pics.

Looking at the pics, Coventry may also be a good FP location.

Ottomans declaring means we can get rid of their stray cities on our continent.

Looking at the pics, Coventry may also be a good FP location.


I can see where you're coming from, but 2 tiles North of Coventry is Tundra. The pic doesn't really show that. Let me get a better/different pic.

Yes,if all the tiles in Coventry's cross were given to Coventry, both Kyleigh and Eileen would be severely resricted.

The Glynnis pic above shows the close range cities affected by an FP in Glynnis. The Coventry as FP pic below shows the same thing for Coventry. The FP Land pic shows total coverage (although not marked in any of the pics).

Glynnis would cover to the South just barely touching Naisus and Sharona. To the East, City Red. To the West, Nottingham. To the North, just touching Reding. That's a pretty good span of helthy cities.

Coventry on the other hand would reach to the South only to just touching Rhona. To the East, matching Glynnis by getting City Red. To the West, again matching - Nottingham. To the North, we're looking at Richmond.

So with Coventry, we'd be losing better cities in the South for Tunra cities (or half Tundra cities) in the North.

Is that Greece in the modern times in one of the pics? :eek:

On the Forbidden Palace I must be missing something. I don't understand why Glynnis is considered a good site for the FP. Once it is built, the location of the FP does not affect what it does. Whether in the core or on the fringes, the reduction to corruption is the same.

Which is why I opted to build the FP in Maeve. Build it quick, get the benefits and move on.

So why Glynnis? I am confused.

And if the answer is 'Personal Preference' that is fine. I am looking for enlightenment, not argument.

Is that Greece in the modern times in one of the pics? :eek:

No, that's Greece in a Democracy. Alex only knows Electricity and Industrialization.

On the Forbidden Palace I must be missing something. I don't understand why Glynnis is considered a good site for the FP. Once it is built, the location of the FP does not affect what it does. Whether in the core or on the fringes, the reduction to corruption is the same.

Which is why I opted to build the FP in Maeve. Build it quick, get the benefits and move on.

So why Glynnis? I am confused.

And if the answer is 'Personal Preference' that is fine. I am looking for enlightenment, not argument.

Well, in all of my years in paying this game, I always try to put the FP about 15 tiles away from the Capital, as it's corruption-fighting range is about 7 tiles in all directions. The notion that since Conquests was drawn up, the Forbidden Palace has lost it's lustre, so to speak, and does nothing but allow additional cities in optimization is incorrect in my opinion. I believe some of the heavy posters posted that so others would believe them and put the FP close to the Capital. I could be wrong.

But to prove my point (if Glynnis wins), I will take snapshots of the Domestic Screen before and after the FP is built. I will also save the game before and after it is built. This way everyone here can see the vast improvement in our economy. It works, trust me.

That's what I was looking for. Thank, Cyc.

Let's try your plan and see what happens.

I have heard the build it close and build it quick strategy, getting the benefits earlier can be better than getting greater benefits later, but we have a leader we can use to build it so no need to choose somewhere to build it quickly. Maeve can use the time to build Hoover Dam.