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Here's my little campaign thing that mainly says vote for me(This is the first time I'm going to do one of these):

We need Experiance in the Science Department! As being deputy trade leader for one term I can handle tech trades easily. Also having been in science sense demogame 1 Term 1 I am skilled in science matters. Also being vice president I am decent in political stuff. :)

Originally posted by Stuck_As_a_Mac
If you must vote for someboddy else, vote for strider. Not donsig, strider. Your birthday is showing.

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Tight race...
(then again, any race donsig is in is usually tight)

VOTE FOR STRIDER!!!! We need experiance in are office's!

Science experiance's:

Strider:

Demogame 1:
Term 1: Science Chat rep
Term 2: Science Deputy
Term 3 Science Leader
Term 4: Science Leader
Term 5: Science Leader

Demogame 2:

Term 1: Science Leader

Stucks Experience:
TERM 1 DEPUTY

Saam Saam Saam Saam Saam Saam Saam Saam!!!!!!!!!!

The Great Iguanaman

Lets go SAAM. Take them out to the trash.

"3 opponents, small or great?
Shall they lead science to a great fate?
Or shall they send it to death without end?
Is this a rule that will bend?
Or shall all 'ever be in doom,
and all of our land in utmost gloom?
It almost makes me cry,
to think that just after birth, we may die,
Lest these people are wise,
and hearken to the peoples cries,
or will they be ruled by avarice and greed,
putting themselves above others need.
This I will always fear,
That Fanatika will be grim and drear.
So to all of you, I must say!
Before comes the end of the day!
Do what is wise,
Vote for those none despise!
Let the vote be chosen by your mind
on the others ye should not be kind!
Vote for those Who're right!
And will lead Fanatika to might!

But now that I stop ponder some
We must find where doom is from,
and who'll bring it, and if we're right,
if what we're doing will aid the light
of truth and knowledge, wisdom and love
brighter than any star above!
Greater than the suns fire
Above all else it is higher!
So let THAT rule our choice,
and let that choose our voice,
not petty thoughts, or envy great,
Lest the perish of FAnatika, be our fate"


Criticism expected, welcomed, may be in wrong spot. Thank you everyone.

Close race

Stuck: 6
Donsig: 5
Strider: 7

right now

Originally posted by curufinwe
"3 opponents, small or great?
Shall they lead science to a great fate?
Or shall they send it to death without end?
Is this a rule that will bend?
Or shall all 'ever be in doom,
and all of our land in utmost gloom?
It almost makes me cry,
to think that just after birth, we may die,
Lest these people are wise,
and hearken to the peoples cries,
or will they be ruled by avarice and greed,
putting themselves above others need.
This I will always fear,
That Fanatika will be grim and drear.
So to all of you, I must say!
Before comes the end of the day!
Do what is wise,
Vote for those none despise!
Let the vote be chosen by your mind
on the others ye should not be kind!
Vote for those Who're right!
And will lead Fanatika to might!

But now that I stop ponder some
We must find where doom is from,
and who'll bring it, and if we're right,
if what we're doing will aid the light
of truth and knowledge, wisdom and love
brighter than any star above!
Greater than the suns fire
Above all else it is higher!
So let THAT rule our choice,
and let that choose our voice,
not petty thoughts, or envy great,
Lest the perish of FAnatika, be our fate"


Criticism expected, welcomed, may be in wrong spot. Thank you everyone.

GREAT!! BRAVO!!! If I win science I'm going to have to put it in the main science thread.....

there hasnt been a whole lot of vocal support for donsig, but id like to back him up. after all, is not he the man who stopped the spot vote when a certain negligent science minister failed to leave instructions? was not it he who opposed the most powerful in the land by demanding that the issue be brought before the people. such dedication and integrity my friends, is very difficult to find. do not let it slip by now that we have discovered it.

I'm going to add my voice to the Donsig cause. He has time and again shown his dedication to keeping the demogame as inclusive and democratic as possible. His attention to detail is formidable and he is never backwards in stepping forward when he feels a strong stand needs to be taken on any issue. I personally feel that these qualities would make Donsig an excellent Science Leader.

Go Donsig! :goodjob:

So yo guys want to support someone who:

1) Has no science history at all

2) Has raged continued insults against department leaders.

Wow... 6,7,7,0

Poor Abstain... He never wins...

1) If you mean Demogame Science Dept. experience, how else is he going to acquire any other than by being elected to the department? :confused:

2) I'm not voting for him because of his sweet personality ;) :D

Originally posted by Eklektikos
1) If you mean Demogame Science Dept. experience, how else is he going to acquire any other than by being elected to the department?

2) I'm not voting for him because of his sweet personality ;) :D

1)I am talking about his science history.... i was chat rep & deputy before I got to the leader poistion. I worked my way up and got it fair & square.

6/8/8

This looks like it will get more votes than the presidential election for once...


SHAMELESS PROMOTION:
Either way, vote for me for President!

Vote Penguin!

Stuck_As_a_Mac. Immediately edit your posts to remove any candidate bashing. You may promote yourself and your candidates of choice to your heart's content but I will not permit these elections to devolve into the sort of mud slinging displays you see in RL.

Posts have been edited. I apologise for any ... inconvinences.
6/11/9...
Im doomed...

well, it looks like donsig will be the winner.
before i go and plot my next campaign (ill be back, muahahaha)
i urge donsig to consider a peaceful strategy for research. We have all our needed weapons, now lets just get to our cities. Please, continue writing followed by literature.

go strider its not over yet the 4 term science leader

Originally posted by BCLG100
go strider its not over yet the 4 term science leader

Thanks for the support, but unluckily I doubt that I will win as my top voters are gone:

Civ (injury)
Ehecatl (MIA)
ChiefPaco (MIA)

Don't become concerned! Two moderators are openly backing Eklektikos, yet I'm winning! At least, for now...

Originally posted by Octavian X
Don't become concerned! Two moderators are openly backing Eklektikos, yet I'm winning! At least, for now...

Yeah, but your poll isn't screwed up either.... how the heck does this one have 3 more votes than any other poll?

im throwing all my support to strider. anyone who would have voted for me vote for him

NOOOOOO!!! damn real life. I wasn't here to accept my nomination, and strider and stuck have S's at the beginning of their names, and i hit the wrong S name cause strider's name is usually first. can you please change my vote from stuck to strider?

sorry. if we could change votes, id go support strider. as would gunning1. anyways, come join the FSL.

This election has more votes than most others because it's highly contested. It is still very close. Only 2 votes separate donsig and Strider with a full day plus left for voting.

Originally posted by Civanator
NOOOOOO!!! damn real life. I wasn't here to accept my nomination

The only thing that would have made this election more exciting would have been to have the founder of the original science department from demo game 1 running against us!

This might be the first time another posisition's election may have more votes than the presidency...

Originally posted by donsig


The only thing that would have made this election more exciting would have been to have the founder of the original science department from demo game 1 running against us!

yeah i quite agree.

It's a wonder anyone wants to run for this poistion..... The only two science leaders in Demogame history are civ and me. Both of us were recently in a car accident....

Cursed?

All of the candidates are fine citizens, but i have to support donsig here.

Strider... I voted for you but anyway by the looks of things, I we may have to share the most consecutive term record... which I'd prefer :) .

I'd make a 4 consecutive term club... but there'd only be two members.

EDIT: Upon closer insprection I realized either I was incredibly wrong or it changed rather rapidly... I think the first is more likely... unfortunately. So, it looks like there's a chance we WON'T SHARE the title and I'll lose it :( well... regardless... good luck Strider! Since records really don't count.

AND STRIDER PULLS AHEAD!!!

8/15/15/0

I have voted for Donsig. He's one of the best Demogame players we have. He needs to return to Office. He now sees a problem in the Science Department and he's come to fix it. A true leader of men.

Crap dang it! (Hehe, keeping it clean) :D Still a dead heat!

Strider helped to take us to victory last game. His cool mind and steady hand when decisions were to be made that were crucial for the game were vital. He knows the science tree better than anyone here that I know.
This is not just a vote to elect a science leader, it is a vote of confidence on Strider's leadership. He has taken us to victory and he can do it again. There is no other I wish to see in this office rather than Strider. I'd put my hands in the fire for him, I'd like to think he'd do the same for me.

Ehecatl Atzin

Strider has also continued to ignore the sale of Alphabet to Japan and Russia for 2 COMPLETE CHAT TURNS! I am so bloody pissed right now! We need a Science Leader who will listen to the people and POST INSTRUCTIONS TO THE CHAT TURN INSTRUCTION THREAD!

I like the work Strider has done in the past, but agree that this term has been a little disappointing. I'm hoping donsig can bring some leadership back to the Science Department.

i fully endorse all the statements made by shaitan. we need fresh blood, and donsig is the only one who can bring it to the fnsd.

Originally posted by Shaitan
Strider has also continued to ignore the sale of Alphabet to Japan and Russia for 2 COMPLETE CHAT TURNS! I am so bloody pissed right now! We need a Science Leader who will listen to the people and POST INSTRUCTIONS TO THE CHAT TURN INSTRUCTION THREAD!

Your pissed??? I make one mistake in my entire career as science leader and every person inside of the game jumps on my *ss. I even admited my mistake. Also WHY I didn't post instructions is because I was going to be at the chat!!!!! and atleast I can say that I go to the turn chats. The only time I've seen donsig at a turn chat is when he has something to complain about. I've already said that I don't want to make this into a political civil war, but you guys are really pushing me over the edge.


Orginally posted by Falcon02
Strider... I voted for you but anyway by the looks of things, I we may have to share the most consecutive term record... which I'd prefer .

I'd make a 4 consecutive term club... but there'd only be two members.

EDIT: Upon closer insprection I realized either I was incredibly wrong or it changed rather rapidly... I think the first is more likely... unfortunately. So, it looks like there's a chance we WON'T SHARE the title and I'll lose it well... regardless... good luck Strider! Since records really don't count.

Thanks for the support Falcon..... I wouldn't mind sharing the record with you either, but I'm hoping that I can pull ahead by one.

Strider, I'm pissed because this very popular measure has been missed by Science repeatedly. If we weren't stopping every time we met a new civilization this opportunity would have been a clean miss. As it is we still have the chance for the sale despite the multiple bungles.

You did have an instruction in the chat instruction thread. It initiated a passive instruction on what to research. This one, which required an active order was not there.

Originally posted by Shaitan
Strider, I'm pissed because this very popular measure has been missed by Science repeatedly. If we weren't stopping every time we met a new civilization this opportunity would have been a clean miss. As it is we still have the chance for the sale despite the multiple bungles.

You did have an instruction in the chat instruction thread. It initiated a passive instruction on what to research. This one, which required an active order was not there.

Look Shaitan.... I'm not in the mood to argue with you. I'm sick today and I'm going to have alot of homework to make up tommorow, but I'm going to say:

1) I DID NOT SEE ANYTHING ABOUT SELLING ALPHABET IN ANY OF MY THREADS!

2) The Turn Chat before the last one I personally checked on the possible tech trades. England would not trade any of their techs and the other's did not have the money to buy alphabet (reasonably).

Russia and Japan both had funds to buy Alphabet. Discussion on this has been going on for well over a week. See your Science thread starting around post 53. See any of the strategy discussions.

Yes, I was pissed this morning and shouldn't have posted while in that frame of mind. I apologize for the ridiculously big letters. But I was REALLY pissed. Now I'm just disappointed.

EDIT: P.S. Hope you feel better soon.

while you may have every right to be dissapointed he makes an excellent point in that donsig has never been at a T/C that i've seen him and i've been there lately. Science leader must be there unless unavoidable extrenuating circumstances prevent.

Originally posted by SKILORD
while you may have every right to be dissapointed he makes an excellent point in that donsig has never been at a T/C that i've seen him and i've been there lately. Science leader must be there unless unavoidable extrenuating circumstances prevent.

Which is also why every term I've had a science chat rep. Also at alot of T/C's the science department (leader, deputy, and rep) is their. Altogether I would think that the science department has the best record of showing up for T/C's.

@SKILORD - donsig was not the Science Leader. He is a citizen. There is absolutely no need for a citizen to be at the chat. donsig also did not post science polls or post science instructions in the turn chat thread but that doesn't make him a bad citizen or indicate that he won't do these things when he is the Science Leader.

Originally posted by Shaitan
@SKILORD - donsig was not the Science Leader. He is a citizen. There is absolutely no need for a citizen to be at the chat. donsig also did not post science polls or post science instructions in the turn chat thread but that doesn't make him a bad citizen or indicate that he won't do these things when he is the Science Leader.

citizens who care are present as should be those hoping to make themselves seen in an attempt at future office taking. I'm always there. All that i've heard donsig doing when it concerns science is whining about Strider. Why not give him another term? Strider's done a great job so far. Sure he hasn't sold our techs to the japs and Russkies but he has, even in this thread aknowledged that he should have and given another term he most likely will. donsig won't fix that therefore and there is no reason to vote for him if that is your only complaint.

So I don't care because I'm not at the chats?

From the chat logs that I've read I know that your interpretation is completely wrong, SKILORD. Unfortunately many people who read your post will probably believe it.

No reason to vote for donsig except that he will listen to the people, act to determine what they want and then do it? That's essentially what I am looking for in a leader. There's also the fact that nobody analyzes better than donsig or commits more to running an office smoothly than he does.

Originally posted by Shaitan
So I don't care because I'm not at the chats?

From the chat logs that I've read I know that your interpretation is completely wrong, SKILORD. Unfortunately many people who read your post will probably believe it.

No reason to vote for donsig except that he will listen to the people, act to determine what they want and then do it? That's essentially what I am looking for in a leader. There's also the fact that nobody analyzes better than donsig or commits more to running an office smoothly than he does.

Running an office smoothly?? Are we talking about the same person?

No reason to vote for donsig except that he will listen to the people, act to determine what they want and then do it? That's essentially what I am looking for in a leader. There's also the fact that nobody analyzes better than donsig or commits more to running an office smoothly than he does.

If Strider were a bad enough leader that he didn't do any of that he wouldn't have 16 votes. I interpret your post here to mean that critics of old regimes always have succesful regimes when rule is given to them, this is not the case. No-one doubts your commitment Shaitan, ur a mod for goodness sakes.

Of course we are. donsig always puts an enormous amount of effort into his offices. He always went out for citizen input, placed polls and discussions, placed instructions in the chat turn instruction thread, etc. When he was president he was extremely proactive and got most of the department threads in order as well.

i'll ficx the sig when i get home shaitan, don't ban me for it.

Originally posted by SKILORD
i'll ficx the sig when i get home shaitan, don't ban me for it.

Change it to Size 1 SKILORD.... That should make it small enough to where it fits into the 5 lines.

Originally posted by SKILORD


If Strider were a bad enough leader that he didn't do any of that he wouldn't have 16 votes. I interpret your post here to mean that critics of old regimes always have succesful regimes when rule is given to them, this is not the case. No-one doubts your commitment Shaitan, ur a mod for goodness sakes.
Strider had a very bad term. There's no doubt about that. Things can't get much worse than being run over by an SUV and coming close to drowning.

There's also no doubt that he had very good terms before that. If he didn't, I wouldn't have voted for him for the past 4 campaigns. He's also very popular so of course he has a lot of votes. The majority of players are not voting for people based on what they can do in office. They vote based on how much they like the candidates, how much they dislike the opponent or else by simple name recognition.

Here's the essence of it: Strider was an excellent leader. He got messed up and his department slid due to his absence and his convalescence. I am not confident that he is in top form yet. The error with the tech sale instructions reinforced this. I want a leader in this critical position who is in top form. I want a leader who will lead discussions related to his department, who will poll the people and then act on the results of the discussions and polls. I want a leader who will always put instructions in the chat turn thread. I want a leader who will fight for what the people want against opposition from uppity-ups like myself.

I want donsig for Science Leader.

Originally posted by SKILORD
i'll ficx the sig when i get home shaitan, don't ban me for it.
I don't know...my banning finger is awful itchy today...

j/k

Originally posted by Shaitan

Strider had a very bad term. There's no doubt about that. Things can't get much worse than being run over by an SUV and coming close to drowning.

There's also no doubt that he had very good terms before that. If he didn't, I wouldn't have voted for him for the past 4 campaigns. He's also very popular so of course he has a lot of votes. The majority of players are not voting for people based on what they can do in office. They vote based on how much they like the candidates, how much they dislike the opponent or else by simple name recognition.

Here's the essence of it: Strider was an excellent leader. He got messed up and his department slid due to his absence and his convalescence. I am not confident that he is in top form yet. The error with the tech sale instructions reinforced this. I want a leader in this critical position who is in top form. I want a leader who will lead discussions related to his department, who will poll the people and then act on the results of the discussions and polls. I want a leader who will always put instructions in the chat turn thread. I want a leader who will fight for what the people want against opposition from uppity-ups like myself.

I want donsig for Science Leader.

I'd have to disagree with me getting votes because they like me.... I think I'm getting votes because they dis-like donsig.

Hmm.. (posting as a mod.. ;)) looking over this thread.. I think it needs it's own thread now. :) Granted, it is (unfortunitely) some-what on topic being that it's an electorial debate. But, I really think this should be taken to a new thread - Its' starting to become threadjacked.

Originally posted by Chieftess
Hmm.. (posting as a mod.. ;)) looking over this thread.. I think it needs it's own thread now. :) Granted, it is (unfortunitely) some-what on topic being that it's an electorial debate. But, I really think this should be taken to a new thread.

Were already ahead of you.... It's not only taking place in this thread.... but 2 more also :)

Originally posted by Strider


Were already ahead of you.... It's not only taking place in this thread.... but 2 more also :)

I saw... But, I sill think those posts should be moved into 1 thread.

oh well never mind elections are over soon

As long as we're all having fun, that's the main thing ;)

VIVA!

WHERE'S CIVANATOR!!!!!!??????
Well, uh, go uh...... GO STRIDER!!!!!! [dance] [party] [dance] [party] [dance]

Stuck_As_A_Mac 8 19.51%
donsig 16 39.02%
Strider 17 41.46%
Abstain 0 0%
Total: 41 votes 100%

Really close race!!

The only election where abstian hasn't gotten a vote... I'm inclined to feel sorry for him:D

it has come to my attention that this has turned into a grude match between shaitan and strider.
fine with me, just keep me out of it.

Originally posted by Stuck_As_a_Mac
it has come to my attention that this has turned into a grude match between shaitan and strider.
fine with me, just keep me out of it.

Thus my 'mod warning'. ;) I think this was the 2nd or 3rd thread that the debate carried over to.

No, donsig wasn't actually involved at all.

This poll has closed and has resulted in a tie. A runoff poll has been posted here (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=33202).

Both Donsig and Strider are tied. I sense a Run-off elections comming.

Don't we normally close the elections after they are complete?