Heres the civ list I'm using now
Sith Empire: Naga Shadow, Marka Ragnos, Lord Kaan http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Naga_Sadow , http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Marka_Ragnos , http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Lord_Kaan

Galactic Republic: Finis Valorum http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Finis_Valorum

Rakatan Empire: Orsaa http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Orsaa

Seperatists: Count Dooku http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Count_Dooku

Black Sun: Prince Xizor http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Prince_Xizor

Galactic Empire: Palpatine, Ysanne Isard http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Palpatine , http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Ysanne_Isard

New Republic: Mon Mothma, Bail Organa, Leia Organa Solo, Borsk Fey'la http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Mon_Mothma , http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Bail_Organa , http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Leia_Organa_Solo , http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Borsk_Fey%27la

Hutts: Durga http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Durga

Imperial Remnant: Grand Admiral Thrawn, Gilad Pellaeon, Jagged Fel http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Grand_Admiral_Thrawn , http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Gilad_Pellaeon , http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Jagged_Fel

Hapes Consortium: Ta'a Chume, Tenel Ka http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Ta%27a_Chume , http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Tenel_Ka

Yuuzhan Vong: Supreme Overlord Shimarra, Tsavong Lah http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Shimrra_Jamaane , http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Tsavong_Lah

Mandalorians: Mandalore the Ultimate, Boba Fett http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Mandalore_the_Ultimate , http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Boba_Fett

Galactic Alliance: Darth Caedus, Cha Niathal, Admiral Daala http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Darth_Caedus , http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Cha_Niathal , http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Admiral_Daala

Added:
Chiss Ascendancy
Sith Empire
Galactic Republic
Galactic Empire
Imperial Remnant
New Republic
Yuuzhan Vong

Adding currently:
Galactic Alliance

Does anyone have any questions or suggestions for this?

How about the Hapse Consortium with Tenel Ka as a leader.

That sounds good I'll add it soon

For the Hapans, Ta'a Chume is also a possible leader: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Ta%27a_Chume

Tenel Ka is better, though.

That'll work

Ok here are some stuff, i meant to post earlier but my internet went out so i have to type again

1st i would change the Black Sun/ Hutts too Pirates if you are using them as a barbarian civ if there not a barbarian civ then just have Black Sun.

2nd The New Republic and Rebal Alliance are the same thing, they would have the same vehicles and weapons in the game so it wouldnt make since to have two seperate ones

3rd Imo i would change Empire to The Galactic Empire, and Old Republic to The Galactic Republic, a reason would be Empire and Republic might be a civic or close to one so it wouldnt make since to have the same names

4th thing is for Mandalorians add "Mandalore the Ultimate" he led the mandalorians in the mandalorian war againest the Galactic Republic http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Mandalore_the_Ultimate

other wise looks good

oh and in further versians besides alpha because i know ur workin hard on the civs right now, we should make almost every single unit unique for each civ, that would be cool and id be willing to help with that

oh and in further versians besides alpha because i know ur workin hard on the civs right now, we should make almost every single unit unique for each civ, that would be cool and id be willing to help with that

That would be good, if you have the ideas.

However, you'll have to tell me the starting units for each civ and NOT put them in the XML where they usually go. I need to make sure they all start on the starting city for each civ.

I've added some of the suggestions T_KCommanderbly gave me

I thought of suggesting Cal Omas for GA, but there doesn't seem to be pictures of him anywhere. I always imagined him as a harmless looking, slightly overweight guy with curly hair for some reason. Cha Niathal is a little bit redundant considering she's only in LotF series and nowhere else.

It mentioned her on Wookiepedia as a leader and cal omas I couldn't add becaus eof no picture anywhere of him

That would be good, if you have the ideas.

However, you'll have to tell me the starting units for each civ and NOT put them in the XML where they usually go. I need to make sure they all start on the starting city for each civ.

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and civeditor what plot types are we using or are we using the ones that are currently on the download? because for the techs i need to know what improvements to give a boost on unit plot speed. And I will need to know the Improvements that we will be using, if you want me to make all this stuff up i can do that also.

If you look in art/structures/improvements you will find all the ones we currently have graphics for but we intend to get more after we release the first working version

Ok well there are numerous star wars future like improvements and resources that could be an easy find if you ever wanted to do that. But ill just use the improvements and plots that you have now, then in further versian we can make more of both, just have to rememeber to change that

Lets use generic improvements and resources for a while then we can rework the tech tree accordingly and buildings we can start using soon

No pictures is a problem with Chiss Ascendancy too, I would guess. No clear leader either, though you could go with Formbi. I think there's even a picture of him on some book cover. However, aside clawcraft, there's no pictures of chiss ships or other units, I believe.

There's enough leaders for the Remnant already, but one might still consider Jagged Fel http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Jagged_Fel . He isn't so notable as a leader yet, but I suspect his stock will rise as the current Fate of the Jedi series goes on.

I'll add Jagged Fel and I'm currently using a generic chiss picture for formbi if you find one i could use thats him please tell because I wasn't able to find a picture of him
Should I use the rebellion flag for the new republic?

Do you plan to get someone to make animated LHs or just pics?

Pics unless someone makes us some animated ones because i have no skill in 3d graphics

Pics unless someone makes us some animated ones because i have no skill in 3d graphics

I have a few thought on this:

1. Keep your pics consistant; dont use some pics from movies; some pics from comics, etc, that would look weird, but that almost dictates you do comics becuz new republic yuzahn vong etc arnt in movies.

2. What you could do, ive seen this done before, is you make the pics change to mad pics/ instead of happy ones when you do something they dont like, such as refuse a deal. Im pretty sure this is in the Charlemange Scenerio with the non-animated leaderheads.

I don't know how I'd do that and I don't think i could find enough pics.
I don't get why it has to be consistent but I haven't used much from the movies

Found that picture. It's pretty useless: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/File:Sqcover.jpg
Could take some Thrawn pic and color his shirt yellow, but that'd look very cheap, I guess.

Should I use the rebellion flag for the new republic?
Use Rebellion's it's simpler, more canonical and not so different from NR's.

Yeah I'm just going to use the pic I have currently

I don't know how I'd do that and I don't think i could find enough pics.
I don't get why it has to be consistent but I haven't used much from the movies

Thats true it would take a while and probably be hard; and it doesnt HAVE to be consistant but that would make it better/more proffesional :deadhorse:

Okay I won't add many movie pics I'll only add them if they're only from the movies

Im gonna see if I can figure out how to make LHs so maybe you wont need pics at all.
(yes, im using Ekmek's tutorial)
:king::crazyeye::):D

Just I have no idea and I don't have 3ds max, maya, or any of those programs. I just have blender which has no tutorials for leaderheads and i don't understand them anyways.
If you can do that it would be great.

ya i find blender extremely wierd to work with

I can't figure it out no matter how hard i try

if u guys were wondering the tutorial and other downloads are here (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=267233&page=32)


But, ill try it out tomarrow.... maybe in a few days ill have a dooku LH. :goodjob:

Consistent leader graphics would be great, but don't sweat it.

We'll make them consistent. It is great that we're going to have 3d leadrheads.

We'll make them consistent. It is great that we're going to have 3d leadrheads.

Im not sure if I can do it yet, i havnt gotten to the downloads, i have a busy weekend coming up. Itll prob be a while before i get anything done.

I'd suggest merging Imperial Remnant and Galactic Empire. There is no major difference between them aside from the fact that one was winning the war, and the other was after they started losing. They used the same tech, the same troops, and the same ships for the most part, allowing for technological advancement.

The main difference is the attitude and form of goverment, but those could easily be represented with different leaders. The main reason for separating them is to have different unit graphics for them.

For the purely historical and gameplay point of view, I'd see more sense in separating the Old Republic (as in before 1000 BBY) and Galactic Republic (seen in movies), but it's better to go with what models and stuff is available.

You forget, the way the governments are run in Civ 4 is determined by civics. The fact that TGE/TIR are run differently is a consequence of different circumstances necessitating different -that's right!- civics.

But yea, you could have Pellaeon as the IR leader for TGE. I like Pellaeon. He's cool. Plus, he has that mustache that just reeks of BAMF.

Anyhoo, regarding different unit graphics, it can be explained through pure tech advancement via Tech Tree, as they both used the same tech lines, both used Stormtroopers, both used Star Destroyers, both used TIE Fighters and their successors. As I said, the reasons you have brought up to distinguish between them are easily explained by the Civ 4 Civic System and advances in the Tech Tree. Even the Civ 3 (<3) Government system could explain it.

Edit: And with your suggestion of separating TOR and TGR, I again say that it's a matter of Civic changes and Technological Advancement. One could say that they went from Free religion, to Pacifism, then back to Free Religion over the course of its history.

You forget, the way the governments are run in Civ 4 is determined by civics. The fact that TGE/TIR are run differently is a consequence of different circumstances necessitating different -that's right!- civics.
Wasn't that what I was saying? You can have different leaders that have different preferred civics.

For TOR/TGR I was just saying that it would make more sense to separate them than the Empires. There's some thousands of years difference, some distinctive design style and a couple of clearer points of separation. Not saying it should be done, just comparing. Actually I think even the Rebel Alliance and New Republic have a clearer split. The Empire just sort of shrunk and eventually people started calling it the Remnant.

Nice point with the making advanced TIE variants available with better tech, but I should point out that the Empire's using cheap and expendable TIEs was pretty much a choice. Remnant started to use better stuff just not to be so wasteful with its manpower, I think. Still it's a good idea.

I'd suggest merging Imperial Remnant and Galactic Empire. There is no major difference between them aside from the fact that one was winning the war, and the other was after they started losing. They used the same tech, the same troops, and the same ships for the most part, allowing for technological advancement.

:eek:
No major difference!
The empire post Endor ceased to be the same empire, it was held together by the will power of a Sith, it was just a bunch of warlords scrambling for power, and later Thrawns empire, and even later peace with the New Republic. Does that sound like the same empire?

Yes it does. If Rome can still be Rome when it changes its civics, so can The Galactic Empire. Just because TGE started losing the war and had its head chopped off, doesn't mean that it's a different faction entirely. It means that it had an extreme lesson in restructuring a government. This is Civ 4, Civics and Diplomacy are both as fluid as you'd expect them to be.

I've found plenty of information him so i could have a good pedia entry, and have enough information to put him into the game

Wasn't that what I was saying? You can have different leaders that have different preferred civics.

For TOR/TGR I was just saying that it would make more sense to separate them than the Empires. There's some thousands of years difference, some distinctive design style and a couple of clearer points of separation. Not saying it should be done, just comparing. Actually I think even the Rebel Alliance and New Republic have a clearer split. The Empire just sort of shrunk and eventually people started calling it the Remnant.

Nice point with the making advanced TIE variants available with better tech, but I should point out that the Empire's using cheap and expendable TIEs was pretty much a choice. Remnant started to use better stuff just not to be so wasteful with its manpower, I think. Still it's a good idea.

Wouldnt it be odd to have the old republic and the galatic republic fighting each other? the same thing with the Impereal remnant and Empire.

...or Germany and Holy Roman Empire. Not that odd. Especially the first example. I could easily imagine some bad fan fiction story where GR drops in OR's lap and they start fighting because of some silly misunderstanding. Same with the empires having a fight over who's the real Empire, or Moff not being happy about the Emperor coming back. Not inconceivable.

...or Germany and Holy Roman Empire. Not that odd. Especially the first example. I could easily imagine some bad fan fiction story where GR drops in OR's lap and they start fighting because of some silly misunderstanding. Same with the empires having a fight over who's the real Empire, or Moff not being happy about the Emperor coming back. Not inconceivable.

True... its kinda like the greek city states... but also, really the old republic and galatic republic are really the SAME thing, just later era. Such as: Roman Empire and Roman Republic. Its like that. theyre really the same.

Thae Imperial Remant was a different civilization then the empire it had much different leaders and it was composed differently.
The old republic is the exact same as the new republic the only difference is one civic and era really

Thae Imperial Remant was a different civilization then the empire it had much different leaders and it was composed differently.
The old republic is the exact same as the new republic the only difference is one civic and era really

No. It. Was. NOT.

It was called the Imperial Remnant because it was the REMNANTS of the GALACTIC EMPIRE. They're the same Empire with the SAME REMAINING FORCES.

Medieval Britain and Modern Britain both are composed differently and have vastly different leaders, yet they're BOTH BRITAIN. Feudal Japan is vastly different from Modern Japan, but they're BOTH JAPAN. STOP arguing against logic and accept that you've lost.

No. It. Was. NOT.

It was called the Imperial Remnant because it was the REMNANTS of the GALACTIC EMPIRE. They're the same Empire with the SAME REMAINING FORCES.

Medieval Britain and Modern Britain both are composed differently and have vastly different leaders, yet they're BOTH BRITAIN. Feudal Japan is vastly different from Modern Japan, but they're BOTH JAPAN. STOP arguing against logic and accept that you've lost.\

:king:

No. It. Was. NOT.
They're the same Empire with the SAME REMAINING FORCES.


No! the empire is palpation's empire, a sith empire, not an empire of moffs, not of grand admirals, it had nothing to do with the armed forces, the sith were the empire not the stormtroopers!

You've obviously never read The Prince. The Emperor's Empire was, yes, CREATED by him, but because he took the arms from his subjects and put them in the hands of his army, took away from those subjects he mistrusted when he should have secured himself amongst them, made them his allies, given them arms and status to quell their dissatisfaction and turn enemies to friends.

He did fairly well, which is why he lasted so long, but in the end he didn't follow Machiavelli's advice and as such lost power in his Empire via DS2 power core. The nation remains, albeit in a much more limited sense, but he does not.

Furthermore, you are ignorant in your assumption that an empire can be comprised of one man, for it WAS an empire of Moffs, it WAS an empire of Grand Admirals, the armed forces had a LOT to do with it. While he secured himself amongst the Moffs and Grand Admirals, he did not secure himself amongst the Senators and the People, which is why he lost power in the Empire he helped to forge. It's like Julius Caesar. He essentially forged the Roman Empire but ultimately lost power within it via Death by betrayal.

Don't fool yourself, you can't beat me in an argument regarding this subject. I remembered to build additional pylons.

civeditor,
its gonna be hard to make a LH for Sidrona Diath without a pic.
The one random event I talked about should be on the HoloNet, thats their TV sort of thing.

I took sidrona diath off the list
And Palpatine was the one person who ruled. He put a few completely trusted people to control certain sectors, but he still had his hands watching them to be certain they wouldn't betray him

Furthermore, you are ignorant in your assumption that an empire can be comprised of one man, for it WAS an empire of Moffs, it WAS an empire of Grand Admirals, the armed forces had a LOT to do with it. While he secured himself amongst the Moffs and Grand Admirals, he did not secure himself amongst the Senators and the People, which is why he lost power in the Empire he helped to forge. It's like Julius Caesar. He essentially forged the Roman Empire but ultimately lost power within it via Death by betrayal.


Two words "battle meditation"

His battle meditation helped but what it really was is his hands and vader wwho helped him rule by fear. noone in the military would dare betray him because it meant an instant and horrible death. It is near impossible to rule with only one person that is why he had many hands an apprentice and some private enforcers to kill or torture anyone not obeying him to the dot.

really the old republic and galatic republic are really the SAME thing, just later era.
Same thing de jure, yes. One must remember that lot has happened over the millenia separating the two and the Republic got really battered and reshaped a few times. The feel of the two is different. Beyond mere civics, IMO.

Anyways, the better argument against making OR a separate civ is that there isn't a good leader available (especially if you want a picture too). Stories of those eras don't focus on the heads of state much. Maybe BioWare creates one for their MMO, but I doubt it.

There is no leaderheads for back then so yes we shouldn't do old republic and Galactic republic.

civeditor,
its gonna be hard to make a LH for Sidrona Diath without a pic.
The one random event I talked about should be on the HoloNet, thats their TV sort of thing.

I see holonet like there internet (you can see the resemblence)

I took sidrona diath off the list
And Palpatine was the one person who ruled. He put a few completely trusted people to control certain sectors, but he still had his hands watching them to be certain they wouldn't betray him

You're NOT LISTENING. He LOST POWER. The fact or non-fact that he was the one person who ruled is IRRELEVANT. He lost power, but the Empire continued, albeit in a downward spiral! And you're still all WRONG, so shut up and stop arguing your illogical arguments!

Here's a real life example of a similar event, with the same general "He comes to power, he has power, he loses power, nation continues" story. Ludovico Sforza became the absolute ruler of Milan during the Italian Renaissance. He ruled for a while and was a patron of the arts including Leonardo da Vinci. However, he got his ass kicked and was driven out.

MILAN CONTINUED FOR A LONG, LONG, LONG TIME AFTER THAT. It was controlled by the French, the Spanish, native Italians, Lombards, it was ALWAYS the Duchy of Milan! Sforza wasn't the Absolute ruler anymore, but it always remained Milan despite foreign influences.

None of your arguments work, NONE of them, and for the sake of getting you to be quiet about them, I'll correct you.

Battle meditation is a force power that helps win battles, not keeping people cowed in a galaxy with hundreds of billions, maybe even trillions of people.

If you read my post, you'd know that I'm correct. He gave his arms to the Soldiers, took them from the populace. Where there was already trust, he solidified it with the threat of punishment. However, amongst the greater masses, the PUBLIC, the PEOPLE, NOT THE SOLDIERS, there was still discontent, and his greatest failing was in not solidifying his image amongst them. Instead of using just using cruelty as a means to send a message, he used it as an end as well.

When the people rebelled and he ended up dead, the moffs still had power over vast sectors, and the Grand Admirals had their fleets, so though they squabbled like the nobility of an empire without an emperor, every now and then they'd be unified by one leader. It was the same Empire, just without the Emperor, and though it was stricken by war and strife, it was still The Empire. The same fleets, the same (remaining) planets.

Your argument is that when the Emperor died it stop being The Galactic Empire. But the only way that would work is if The Emperor was the only one in that Empire.

You are wrong, I am correct. Stop arguing as you are only making me irritated at your persistence.

/:king:

The empire reorganized changed almost everyone of its policies, and its leaders were much different. This has to be some good reasons to be a completely different civ.

I just did more-or-less the same thing in Civ 4 a few minutes ago. Does that mean I my civ is different? Stop circling the drain and just admit you're wrong.

Are we just about done with the arguing?!

I wish. Though to be honest, it is a valid argument. It's over whether or not TGE and TIR are the same civ, which could impact the mod itself.

We might decide to take out he imperial remnant in version 2 but for now I'll just leave it in so we can move along faster

That doesn't make much sense either. O_o Wouldn't making it take longer? Or have you already made it? Meh, who cares. I think I presented my case well.

I will change it, but yes, i have already finished it

I'm surprised that Darth Vader isn't one of the leaders. Yes, I know he's not technically the head of the Empire, but still it's surprising not to see him there. I'll admit I don't know the plans for the mod that well. How will Vader be treated if he's not a leader?

I'm surprised that Darth Vader isn't one of the leaders. Yes, I know he's not technically the head of the Empire, but still it's surprising not to see him there. I'll admit I don't know the plans for the mod that well. How will Vader be treated if he's not a leader?

He is currently the "only" hero unit in the mod I know of.

Though making him a leader as well might be a good idea.

I don't think Darth Vader should be a leader because he is a unit. If you want we could take the unit out and add the leader instead. It's up to you.

I'm surprised that Darth Vader isn't one of the leaders. Yes, I know he's not technically the head of the Empire, but still it's surprising not to see him there. I'll admit I don't know the plans for the mod that well. How will Vader be treated if he's not a leader?

Vaders not a leader he's an enforcer, a tool of the emperor

Nevertheless, he'd probably be a leader in this mod if he wasn't an unit. This hero unit thing, is it thought through? I mean I assume that every civ should get one, but there are many civs planned for which I have no ideas for good hero units. Have you?

I'm working on planning out heros if someone has an idea please tell me. All ideas are extremely useful.

Here are a couple of ideas, each civilization gets a certain hero/villian, you can also get more heroes and villians by what religion you have, so if your state religion is Jedi, then you would get yoda or something, along with jedi you get a national unit of lets say 10 jedi or something. Another idea is that some more hero units spawn as of great people.

That was one idea I was woring with I think we might be able to do it just in XML it shouldn't be to hard the hardest part is getting the art for the units which I have no clue how to make

Hero Units:Galactic Civil War

Darth Vader
Luke Skywalker -> Luke Skywalker Jedi
Leia Organa -> Leia Jedi
Han Solo/Chewbaca

Note: -> is upgrades to

We're using leia as a leader so we won't use her as a hero
The other ones are great ideas

put r2-d2/c3po and they could steal credits:P
Boba Fett (although he is a leader i think)
General Veer's AT-AT (can just paint at-at different)
Mara Jade
Thrawn Star Destroyer (paint different)
Piett Star Destroyer (paint different)
Wedge Antillies (X-wing painted)
Admiral Ackbar (painted mon calamri space cruiser)
IG-88

^Some more galactic civil war stuff might be alittle too much especially for one era

Jaina Solo = Galactic Alliance
Rogue Squadron = New Republic
Darth Vader = Empire
The Chimera = Imperial Remnant
Yoda = Galactic Republic


For now lets only use 1 hero to a civ

Mara Jade :)
Thrawn Star Destroyer (paint different)= The Chimaera
Wedge Antillies (X-wing painted) = Rogue Squadron?

If your going to make Black Sun and The Hutts one civilization then you should make Jabba one of the possible leaders. If i remember my history Black Sun emerged because of a power vacuum left behind when Jabba died.

I still like the idea of them being separate because i love the idea of a galactic gang war between the Hutt clans and Black Sun.

Also have you put any thought into resources?

I'm going to set them up as seperate. One as minor one as barbarian. Hutts will be barbarian Black Sun Minor do you like that idea. There is a seperate thread for resources and improvements

Sounds good to me!

I'll have it set up by the next release this Saturday

Jagged Fel did lead the Imperial Remnant (which is, in my opinion, the same as the Empire) but under his rule it transitioned to the Fel Empire (though before that point they still called themselves the Empire, the New Republic called them the Remnant).

It seems like there are a few redundant civs (Empire + Remnant and Rebels + New Republic + GA). They're all pretty similar to each other and would have similar units (really, all of them except the Rebels used Star Destroyers, for example).

the star Destroyers were under different tittles in the The New Republic and the Galactic Alliance. We had planned to leave the Fel Empire out. That was for multiple reasons. 1 I didn't know much about them. and 2 We already had enough civs for an alpha release. We had other things to work on. The Galactic Empire, the Imperial Remnant, the Rebel Alliance, The New Republic, and The Galactic Alliance. Some of them are basically the same civ just they appear in different time periods. We felt because of the difference we should let them be their own civ.
Do you know you know how to add new Civ's? If so Would you please make the Galactic Alliance and if you want to the Fel Empire. On the Galactic alliance use the leaders named here in the thread. Don't add your own without asking me. You can add what you want to the Fel Empire.