Greeting my fellow citizens of Fanatika. I, Lord Master Zarn of the Jedi Knights and your newly elected (sort of) Domestic Leader, proclaim this thread for the use of the Second Term Domestic Department and for the citizens of this great nation. I will bring stability back to this department, so that it will not faulter again. I will be open-minded on all issues, despite personal opinion. Thank you for your time. May the Force be with you.

Now, for the unformal stuff.

Domestic Leader- Zarn
Domestic Deputy- Stuck_As_a_Mac
Domestic Chat Rep- Chieftess

Please bring any Domestic issue that you want my help to this thread. I will post a budget request and build request thread later.

Personnal stuff- I actually wished I had an opponent. Now, I have to decide who becomes the Deputy. If anyone has any suggestions, you have my permission to state the name of the person here. I wonder how many people would had voted for me, and how many would not vote for me.

Term 1- http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=32018

Can I please be deputy? I cant stand not having a position right now. As soon as I get my WinBox to se the friggin boot disk, ill have a copy of Civ running. I would be highly efficent, with helpful sugestions on where to build and what to build where. Please let me be deputy.
Thanks.

Okay, we shall have a poll on Stuck_As_A_Mac for deputy. Do I just post a poll for this? Can I do it now?

your call, boss.

The domestic department's first priority should be fixing provincial borders!

Zarn, SaAM's appointment may be confirmed with a citizen vote, with the standard yes/no/abstain format, with a quorum of 19 votes.

Also, I would like to ask you, Zarn, what you would name your city in the event you get to name one. I will use this information for the Cartographic Office's City Name Registry. Thank you.

Please contribute any suggestions on provisonal borders in this thread- http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=31202
You have 2 days to do so, before I put up a poll.

i second saam as trade lt.

trade? this is domestic....
any way, i hit quorm and ill have a new land proposal up in a minuet

The following are three border proposals. The first is from Shaitan. The second is Cyc's. The third one is mine. There will be a poll tomorrow on them. Until then, here they are

Proposal 2

Thanks SAAM. I know that you would help.

My proposal, proposal #3

Heres yet another proposal, this ones based on space and resources.

Congratulations to Stuck and Zarn.

The domestic department has posted instructons to connect Morgana to Bavaria by road. If we do this we will not be able to recruit warriors in Bavaria to upgrade to swordsmen in Morgana. We would be much better off having the worker build a road on the spice since it will be within our borders in 12 turns!

Originally posted by donsig
The domestic department has posted instructons to connect Morgana to Bavaria by road. If we do this we will not be able to recruit warriors in Bavaria to upgrade to swordsmen in Morgana. We would be much better off having the worker build a road on the spice since it will be within our borders in 12 turns!

I am also concerned. In fact, at the risk of sounding fatalistic: WE ARE ALL GOING TO DIE!!!!!

Note taken. I will change it.

Originally posted by eyrei


I am also concerned. In fact, at the risk of sounding fatalistic: WE ARE ALL GOING TO DIE!!!!!

Hmmm...you might try upping your coffee intake today...

Originally posted by donsig
The domestic department has posted instructons to connect Morgana to Bavaria by road. If we do this we will not be able to recruit warriors in Bavaria to upgrade to swordsmen in Morgana. We would be much better off having the worker build a road on the spice since it will be within our borders in 12 turns!

I agree. Morgana should be unconnected for the time being :).

I changed it, CivGeneral. ;)

Just checking Zarn ;). I just had a idea http://apolyton.net/forums/images/smilies/anim_thinking.gif, when the spices are connected. It would be possible to lower the lux rate to its possible threshold when every one is happy and/or content (Unless the Lux rate is at 0% ;). ) and distribute the commerce to both the military and science funds to equal proportions.

It's at 20%. I'll tell the Prez at the chat to see what we can do. ty

just called to say...
bump
SaaM
Official Bumper

After revewing the Turn Chat Instructions, I beleve that every would work out as planed. :)

I have a suggestion for the provincial border:

http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads2/Fanatika_province_map.jpg

The border in the SE could be extended to the coast to enclose the landbridge (still a straight diagonal from were the eastern border begins).

Nice map CT. I still think that your province border could be divided into two separate provinces. Of course, I'm partial to my original proposal.:)

I think that that is far to big of a province. Lets cut it in half, then cut it in half horizantal, then ill be happy. Or atleast cut it once one way.

The Great Iguanaman

I know in the last game, Disorganizer had something like a 148-tile setup. (I'm not sure of the exact number - or how he came up with it...) But, we can try that, too.

Chieftess, this province is just huge. Istar was never that large (though perhaps Nuova Terra was). Following our current tight build start, those borders would enclose 20 cities! It is extremely excessive.

The best way to go would be to follow the two mountian chains for province #2, and set Bohemia from the nothern chain up through the tundra.

I actually agree with Octavian. I'm going from Annoyed to Cautious.

i support ct wholeheartedly! that is the best proposal i have ever seen, and im not just saying that because im governor!

That's the problem.. the mountains just seem too close, and the other natural borders are far away...

Sorry to jump in so late and to mark up your map CT. Here's what I envision. Hadn't seen anyone else do this yet, but it feels obvious to me. Bohemia ends up a bit small (prob 7-8 cities if a dense build) but that's okay. Outer provincial borders fixed as we know more about the landscape.

Proposed borders are in YELLOW

Thanks Danke, I wanted to post a design exactly like that, but I don't know how to get images up.

similar to what i was thinking, but just keep morgana in bohemia.
also- no dissing NT

i like it....

dankes proposal would be acceptable if bohemia were enlarged to include morgana, but i still prefer cts.

I beleve now it is the time to connect to Morgana, any warriors that are compleated before Morgana is connected will be upgraded. Speeking of Warriors, When the last warrior is compleated, switch to swordsmen. I beleve we have enough Swordsmen :). Plus I dont want any of the workers to get captured in any jag ambush.

Since the Cities Borders have expanded, I shall make queue suggestions in the Govenor's office. If Neutral Leader does not post turn instructions, Please fell free to use the Suggestions I have provided.

Barvaria:Warrior X 2 (If not connected to Morgana), Swordsmen X 2 (Switch if connected to Morgana), Temple

Morgana: Swordsmen X 2 (If connected to Morgana), Temple

Valhalla: Spearmen X 1, Settler, Temple

I'm concerned about the jag near Valhalla. Should I have the warrior work near the capital, so it is away from the jag or move it into Valhalla until the jags attacks or goes away? I want input from everyone. I'm going to have the southern worker finish his job then go to place the road on the forest to connect the iron.

move the worker out of harms way. when we attack monty, that jag is gonna fight bank. we need to save our worker from the evil jag.

Most definitely. The Jag doesn't really pose a serious threat, barring some extremely poor luck on our part, to our troops in the cities, but the worker is too valuable to risk losing. He can, of course, keep working the current tile until we attack, but I'd move him south as soon as he completes his task or on the turn we attack, whichever is sooner.

Originally posted by Zarn
I'm concerned about the jag near Valhalla. Should I have the warrior work near the capital, so it is away from the jag or move it into Valhalla until the jags attacks or goes away? I want input from everyone. I'm going to have the southern worker finish his job then go to place the road on the forest to connect the iron.

I am too conserned with the worker's safety. Lets move the Worker into Valhalla untill the coast is clear. Its better safe than sorry ;).

I've added potential borders for two other provinces to my original map. I think these borders are consistent with our desire to run along natural geographical boundaries and they provide enough room for between 8 to 12 cities with minimal overlap.

The borders may require additional tweaking upon discovery of nearby terrain (specifically, the areas southeast of Japan, south of Azteca, and near America). Until we oncover the hidden areas of the map, it is going to be difficult to definitively assign provincial borders.

Proposed Provincial Borders (240kB) (http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads2/fanatika-1450bc-borderprop.jpg.jpg)

PS. The names on the map are not official. They are solely placeholders for internal purposes.

PPS. Although everyone seems to think the area to our southeast is a "land bridge" to the rest of our super-continent, I'm still holding out for a continent in the shape of a doughnut!

the eastern gate seems to cut it awfully close to america, but other than that i think its pretty good; though i would make no objection to enlarging bohemia. ;-)

Did I accidentally include some of American lands in one of our provinces? :satan:

Please direct provincial border proposals to the appropriate thread! It makes no sense discussing the same things in 2 different threads, so please put them into the citizen discussion about this topic.

Here is the link to it: http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=31202
If you dont put it up there, dont wonder when its declined via a soon coming poll.

Is it not the responsibility of the domestic dept to establish borders?

It is, but there is a thread for it. So please use it.

Zarn, I was wondering. When we capture the Aztec Capital, Shall we rush build a barrack (For faster heal time) and a spearmen (The war would drag on if we wait for the city to build a spearmen, thus slowing our army down having to defend it).

hmmm... this is something that we might have to wait and see. The capitol might not have enough people to rush. Does it? If it does, there still going to be poed Aztecs.

I'd suggest that if we do pop-rush anything, it should be a temple. Attempting to rush anything else will just make the city harder to control.

Chances are that the Azteca capitol will only have 1 pop unit left after the rush build. By the time it grows, the people will have forgotten the "harsh treatment" we have imposed from pop rushing.

i realize this is not of practical value but, isnt a whole lot more fun to capture aztec citizens rather than kill them off with pop rushing?

Killing citizens intentionally through pop rushing is something that was quite a contentious subject in the history of Phoenatica. In fact, some of the foundation for quorum rules arises out of that practice....how is that for a obscure reference?

The use of such practices should be polled on the topic general before any such action is taken in game.

Bill
Chief Justice
Director of Public Relations
Waiting patiently to move to New PDX....soon to be the happiest place in all the land

Originally posted by Bill_in_PDX
Killing citizens intentionally through pop rushing is something that was quite a contentious subject in the history of Phoenatica. In fact, some of the foundation for quorum rules arises out of that practice....how is that for a obscure reference?

The use of such practices should be polled on the topic general before any such action is taken in game.

Bill
Chief Justice
Director of Public Relations
Waiting patiently to move to New PDX....soon to be the happiest place in all the land

Yeah.....wasn't I the culprit that time?:lol:

Anyway, pop-rushing a barracks I do not support. Pop-rushing a cultural improvement to reduce the chances of culture flipping, I do support.

Bad eyrei! Bad! :whip:

Anyway, I have another provincial border proposal:

http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads2/Fanatika_province_map_1450.jpg

I just made the names to identify them easier... and of course, 'province 1' is Bohemia. Province 2 could extend into that space where the blue arrow is pointing to.

Nice map, CT. My only concern is who would want to govern the "Nordic Lands" province? I doubt any city could sustain a desirable level of production given the terrain that dominates that landscape.

Gem Mountian, in theory, is a great province. But where in the world would we put a city? I agree with 40j over the fact its a nice map. But Nordic is perfectly governable. Also- Wrong thread. Please direct all maps to the Discussion. When we get public support of a map, Ill poll it.

I knew you were going to say that SAAM. I do like CT's proposal, though.

We could combine the Gem Mountains and the Nordic Lands. It can be a resort province! :D But, I do have something in mind for the Nordic Province - ICS. :) That would be much later in the game, but would net us maybe 5-7 gpt. The cities by the mountains (yes, this is another suggestion) should be spaced evenly, so that when we get rails, we'll have the 2 extra food to support the mountain tiles.

grasslands = 2f
irragated gl = 3f
w/ rails = 4f
mountains = 0f, supported by 2f from the railed irragation.

By 'evenly', I mean a psuedo-OCP. (4 spaces inbetween), but enough so that half the tiles are grasslands, and the other half are mountain tiles.

Right now, there's lots of forest in the area. There's also hills by the coast (I believe we would only be able to use 1 mountain tile there). There's also 4 tiles of tundra - we should build on one of those tiles.

CT, I think this is a good idea, but we should concentrate on the SE for now. I will keep this in mind, in case I'm still Domestic Leader. I will bring it up, if I'm not to the current Domestic leader

Right - I'm just thinking ahead. :)
It's a long-term plan.

Bad eyrei! Bad! :whip:

Yeah...well...we did win, and it was logically the best thing to do. Plus, I had to make sure everyone understood that it was me that held the power!!!!!!!!
:eek: :lol:

There is a poll in the Poll Subforum concerning Provincial Borders. Everyone, please vote.

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?postid=540597#post540597

as stated previously by Bill, this is legit and Zarn and I will take it highly into consideration when we make the final choice (unless zarn decrees it to be the official one, then it is our final choice)

OH CRAP:
From:
Zarn
The Catholic Republican



Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 1683
I'm going to be gone for awhile
I'm sorry, but I am not going to be at CFC for a while for unsiad reasons. Lets just say it has to do with the real world. I have no idea, when I'm going to come back. It could be weeks or even months. I want you to take over the Domestic Department. I also want you and CivGeneral to control the Jedi Council. I won't be able to respond to to you, so don't pm me. I ask for this, until I return.

Please show this message to everyone in the Domestic Department Thread.

P.S.- Don't forget to buy the rugs from Cyc.


So..... I guess im incharge for now (note- im still deputy, so no pay change). Looks like I may have to rush that copy of Civ I ordered. Anyways, 40j- Im putting you incharge of Border Propsal Maps. Whatever wins the poll, ill take. CT- If you have the time, your deputy. If not, 40J is. The department MUST be ept working smoothly, seeing as there is an oncomming war and all.
So, i hope to have my copu in tommorw, I will asses what is needed, have the border proposals and that is all.
Thank you,
SAAM

looks like you get the fun of taking over the domestic dept. SAaM. need any help let me know

all help would be apreciated, greatly.
also- where is the most recent map of Fanatika?

SaaM - congrats. I'll be happy to help in any way I can.

Full Scale Map (217kB) (http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads2/fanatika-1450bc1.jpg)

Stuck- If you need any help w/ the Domestic Department, just know I'm avalible and un-mandated. I'm here to help in our Master's absence.

40- thanks for the map. is that worker mining? If so, ill let him keep doing that, followed by heading to Morgana to start a road to it (my guess is that by the time the road is done, we will have started attacking and it would help if all cities could produce swordsmen)

The worker near Valhalla is mining and will be finished in 3 turns. The worker in the Doughnut Forest is building a road and will also be done in 3 turns.

I wish to remind the domestic department to post queues for the cities of Bavaria and Morgana, as Neutral Leader is now governor of the nothern Bohemia Province.

Oy.... um... CT- can you grab that, since I lack civ?

SAaM maybe you should appoint a deputy since you have taken over Domestic Department since you lack civ

I could be the deputy since I'm the chat rep atleast... :)

Am I mistaken here, or is this situation like having a blind referee call a football game? :rolleyes: OK, here we go. This is the seeing eye dog Domestic screen.
http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads2/Domscreen1300.gif

HOLD ON!

Neutral Leader was elected as the governor of Bohemia, the Capital Province. A border proposal was passed with names preapplied to the provinces. It was specifically noted that names in all of the proposals were strictly to make it easier to refer to the different areas. That does not kick neutral leader out of the capital province.

Neutral Leader is the elected governor of the capital province and will remain as such no matter what things are or are not named. The other provinces that have been created are under the control of the Domestic Leader for now.

The capital province is still called Bohemia and will remain Bohemia until a legal renaming occurs.

And as such, i would recommend the following:

1) i as lord mayor of bavaria am obsolete
2) neutral leader should be the governor of the capitol province
3) i propose the mayors of valhalla and the mayor of morgana to be temporarily promoted to governors of the respective provinces until next elections
or alternative 3):
immediate pre-election of governors for all provinces with them running 1.5 terms instead of 1
4) i would apply as mayor of morgana as i now have no mayorial job any more?


EDIT:
i just realized:
the border poll didnt even reach the quorum! so no borders are decided at the moment.

Does anyone remember Al Haig?

This all follows under domestics control anyways. Im sure SAam will make the best desicion in regards to the borders or provinces

Well, if the poll doesnt reach quorum he has a problem.

im guessing people just dont care enough about the borders to vote and thats why they dont reach quorum

Okay. Where Barvaria is is Bohemia. Valhalla has province #2 (gov/name needed) and Morgana has Province #3 (see valhalls ()s)
NL govs Bohemia. Domestic govs 2 and 3.
okay?

yup

SAaM, please vote in this council vote involving deputy governors. (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=34426)

Originally posted by FionnMcCumhall
im guessing people just dont care enough about the borders to vote and thats why they dont reach quorum

I care, a lack of information here left me unable to do a thing during my second governorship last game. Provincial borders are the most important thing to be decided.

Originally posted by Cyc
Does anyone remember Al Haig?

I do! I can still see him on tv at that press conference.

I remember listening to Howard Cosell on Monday Night Football, too. I can still hear him saying the words that got him fired. :king:

Originally posted by Cyc
Does anyone remember Al Haig?

Who? ;)
That's a no.

Originally posted by Cyc
Does anyone remember Al Haig?

I'm in charge here....

What many don't remember is that General Haig was also Nixon's Chief of Staff, and was rumored to be one of the suspects to be Deep Throat in Watergate.

Back on topic....let's get these borders defined. All of our leaders need to start leading...

I thought there was a poll to define them already... Stuck has a lot of work ahead of him. :)

I formally request that the Domestic Leader take leadership in the process of defining borders and post a legally binding official poll to move this process along.

Bill
Chief Justice

Is a poll required to establish borders, or can the Domestic Leader simply use the previous, informational poll as justification for his decision?

If a poll is required, can we consider the previous poll as the "proposed poll post", thereby fulfulling the requirement for posting the proposed poll 24 hrs in advance? Furthermore, can we then select only the top three choices and allow it to run for four days (or until quorum is met), or will those changes invalidate the poll?

I believe that a leader may choose to rely on a informational poll for guidance if there is sufficient response and a clear indication of the will of the people.

At this point I would settle for any kind of leadership in this mess.

pardon my absense, but you havent figured it out yet, Im 14 and in school between 8 and 4. Okay... so you want borders?
And you dislike the poll?
Okay.. Give me 10 minutes. I will come up wiht a poll that contains the following:
A capitol province, which NL will govern. Morgana and Valhalla will be in the same province, to be goverened by me until the elections.
Thank you, That is all
SaaM

Okay:
Domestics Desicion.
Were doing a one day quick poll, with 40Js Capitol Province, Chieftess's Nordic Gems, and the lousy Abstain.
The poll will run for 24 hours. Its decision is final.
SaaM

Since I see no build queues, and the TC is tomorrow, I propose these queues:

Ok, my updated plan:

Valhalla: settler (1), settler (6), (start a settler if the war is going well, otherwise barracks for swordsmen - maybe a temple if there's enough support...)
Bavaria: warrior (2), warrior (2), spear (4), swords
Morgana: continue swords until further notice.
New City #1 - (place worked tile on the spice) spear (7-10), (place worked on mined tile after its' finished), start on granary
New City #2 - (place worked tile on forest-game) Granary (16-20 - 16 if we mine the cattle).

Continue roading the forest SW of Bavaria, then road the forest west of Morgana with both settlers. Then, depending on where our 2nd city it, mine the grasslands west of the eastern city, or, road the game on the western city (hill) - mine/road cattle afterwards.

I propose we place the next city (this settler) 4 tiles SW of Valhalla. That will get us our next settler factory quickly.

The queue for Valhalla would be better with 2 workers subbing for the second settler. We desperately need workers for our city expansions and conquests to be quickly brought into our road network.

ct- i love those queues. Now by new city 1 and 2 you mean the map I had 40 come up with, right?
I thank you for all your help and insure you that by this time, next TC i will have a fully working copy with 1.29.

not that it makes much of a difference, but i would like to put on record that 2 of the mayors have been giving me 0 input; this makes queues very difficult to come up with. i back cts queues, but as a bow to shaitan i will replace one settler with a worker. ill go post that now.

oh no your dont....
DOMESTIC OVERRIDES NL's wish to remove the second settler.
Besides- you and I both are loosing power to Military after this TC. So we might as well found the second city. Also- your governor of Barvaria. You have no effect over Valhallas queues, due to 40js border proposal.

Originally posted by neutral leader
not that it makes much of a difference, but i would like to put on record that 2 of the mayors have been giving me 0 input; this makes queues very difficult to come up with. i back cts queues, but as a bow to shaitan i will replace one settler with a worker. ill go post that now.

The mayors are not elected officials, and are not bound to give you any input. What you should be doing is starting these discussions so that you can get input from the citizenry.

Domestic Leader,

The people of Fanatika have given approval to the government to use Abandon City tactics as desired.

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&postid=549873#post549873

Bill
Chief Justice

so we can poprush...
good. azteca needes defense as soon as possible!

Originally posted by Stuck_As_a_Mac
so we can poprush...
good. azteca needes defense as soon as possible!

Abandon City and Pop Rush are two different things.

Pop rushing is not yet fully approved.

sorry- misread that.
abandoning cities....
tough issue.
Only when absolutly neccessasary. (hope i spelled that right)

I humbly ask the domestic department to start a single, definitve discussion over city placement.

There now is a single definitve discussion about city placement in the citizens thread, altho it lacks a current map im sure the cartogrphic office will supply one, ive made the thread now make the best use of it :) I partially did this to help and also to let people know im gonna go for domestic :)

this is the link: http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=34589

Thanks, Fionn. So anyway, the poll is up for Octavianum and Penguin. Please vote in it.

Announcement:
I got honours according to this Poll (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=33188) which reached quorum.
So due to this i am on top of the naming-coc and as such:
I name the next city "Kuhkaff"
as it will be near the cows.
(no, i didnt get any other idea. yes, its not original. no, lookup the meaning yourself)

At least that's easier to spell than Octavininium. :king:

Well, if our next city is not near the cows, i would like my proposal to be stalled till we build near the cows. Otherwise i will have to change the name :-)

Fis- if necessary, you can post in the TC instruction thread to name it last minuet.

Which TC-instruction thread ? ;-) None there... I searched for it cause that was my idea :-)

I believe you meant me with FIS? (first person who typoed a F instead of a D there :-)

yea
d is before f on a standard QWERTY keyboard.

Let's make this on official, valid and binding! (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=34702) :king:

I have posted a discussion on Bohemian Build Queues (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?threadid=34711) here. Please respond.

saam:
wont we need a poll or at least discussion for city placement #2?

we have a poll with placement #1, but the existing proposal B is not polled on. if we start the discussion now based on the assumption the donsig-position is taken for A, maybe we can get the discussion done until the TC and have a poll up on saturday running till tuesday for position #2.
we could start discussion monday for position #3 and then post a poll for it on wednesday morning going till friday.
on thursday morning discussion for #4 is started and put to poll on saturday and so forth.
this way we would be a minimum of 1 city in advance without having to poll a whole bunch of cities at once.
(so always start the discussion of the next city before the turnchat when a city is placed and get it to a poll on the day after that TC, running till the day of the TC or the day before it)

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=34702
This is the site of the first city to be built.
The second will be given later.

@ Dis - I hope you're including my next two city placements in your discussion. I wouldn't think that I would have to re-post them individually to be recognized.

Let me know if you would like assistance in putting together the polls.

Bill
Chief Justice

SaaM -

Are you going to post the poll I designed for you on Borders?

Bill

Council vote to confirm Cyc as governor of Bohemia (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=34789) has been posted.

Bill- See post in TC thread

@cyc: in fact, i dont know whether i did. i didnt open a new discussion but posted my long-term proposal in the long-term thread. i wont have the time to organize those, and also its the doestic-guy's duty to do so :-)

SaaM -

In light of the change in city locations for location A, I think we should seriously reconsider our proposed location for city B.

In its original location, it will be automatically connected to our road network, but it fails to employ use of the game tiles in the forest SW of Bavaria. We should consider moving the city to tile B'.

I can't remember who proposed this originally, but we should discuss and decide prior to the next t/c.

Forty- I strongly agree with this. Expecially with the capture of Tlaxcala (if renamed, it will go to Donsig) B' makes sense. It would make a continuous block. Post HERE if you disagree with it, if not, I will poll it tomorrow.
Also- 40. Could you remake the proposals for borders (both) to reflect the new cities?

No problem here. Poll it soon before it gets too late. Saturday is going to be here quickly so it will likely take a quick poll. Be sure to identify it as a quick poll so that we don't have any legal hangups in the 11th hour. Also, when you make the poll be sure to include links to these posts and to the original post for this location (I think it might be in one of our "Official City Placement" polls. :))

As far as redoing the border proposal maps, I assume you mean CT's Gem Mountain proposal and my Capitol Province proposal. I'll try to get it done as soon as possible.

Will we ever have provinces?

Confirmation Vote!
Please vote in the confirmation poll to officially confirm Shaitan as the Deputy Governor of Bohemia. The Poll is here! (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?threadid=34917)

Okay. By my clock, this has been up for 24 (25) hours. I will now poll it.

Shaitan- Post Azteca wars. I want to see how things look after that.

The land will look exactly the same. The people have been crying out for provinces for ages!

I have established two discussion threads on your behalf SaaM.

Domestic Discussion - Placement of Next City (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=34896)

Domestic Discussion - Provincial Borders (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=34897)

All citizens are encouraged to participate in these discussions and their corresponding polls!

SaaM
I have established another discussion thread for the purpose of determining the locations for the next two cities.

Domestic Discussion (825BC) - City Placement (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=35056)

A poll on Fanatika's future direction (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=35065) has been posted.

SaaM
I posted this graphic in our discussion regarding Prebuilding Wonders, and thought it should be placed in here as well.

As of 825 BC...
http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads2/domestic-cities-825bc.gif

40- this graphic should help alot. It shows that we CAN do a prebuild in Morgana.

Not to mention SaaM, a closer look at Bremershaven will reveal what a productive city that should become. With access to a cattle, two game, bonus grassland and forests, it has potential to grow to size six with a production of ~11 shields/turn. With some minor improvements by workers this city could become the production center of our nation! The added benefit of this would logically be that Morgana can be switched to a prebuild with little impact on our military production.

SaaM
We have less than 48 hrs until the next t/c and there still is no official poll for the placement of our next two cities. Please post one ASAP. If you want, I'll be happy to add an image of your choosing once you get the poll posted.

Please refer to the informational poll (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=35092) on this topic for some suggestions on the appropriate poll to settle this issue. Of course, I'm slightly biased towards my suggestion (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?postid=565280#post565280), but the important thing is to get a poll posted so we don't hold up the t/c on Wednesday!

Edit: added the following link
Here (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?postid=564593#post564593) is a link to a post by Bill_In_PDX in the related discussion thread containing his suggestions on an official poll.

One thing that graphic does show is Morgana's growth potential at the moment. It is not going to get much bigger until we learn how to build harbors. Even then it will be a long time before we will get more shields. Morgana's present destiny appears to be short term production, such as units.

HEHEHE! I still have the key to here... Might as well loot the place..
*SaaM rides off with a couch, an abacus, some pens, his desk, and hotel shampoo*

Term 3 thread (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=35396)